>>507699609 (OP)
Two more years. Unironically.
Russia will most likely stop when Donetsk oblast is fully controlled

>>507700111
No full victory for either side

>SAAR PLEASE DONT FORGET ABOUT US SAAR
slavs arent relevant anymore
go squat on each other babushka dicks

>>507699609 (OP)
In two more weeks

>>507699609 (OP)
Not joking, we are probably about halfway done only

>>507699609 (OP)
didnt you hear lindsey graham

>>507699609 (OP)
When ukraine surrender

>>507699609 (OP)
it will go for another 5 years minimum. would be significantly less if trump wouldn't be elected.

>>507699609 (OP)
Long time till Russia gives up - probably 10 years.

Now that the money is flowing into pissrael it might be over sooner than you think.

>>507699609 (OP)
When Israel says so.

>>507699609 (OP)
Most likely in 5 to 10 years after russian invasion of Baltics and some parts of Poland.

>>507699609 (OP)
Never

>>507700163
>No full victory for either side

>Russia takes 20% of Ukraine
>Ukraine will never join NATO and will be destroyed demographically
>Ukraine gets a even worse peace deal then was offered in 2022 and suffered horrible losses (The current median age for Ukrainian troops is 45 while Russia still relies on contract soldiers that rotate in and out freely)
>"Y-Yeah its' a draw we both lost bro"

Retard

>>507700111
>Two more years. Unironically.
>Russia will most likely stop when Donetsk oblast is fully controlled
Russia won't be happy with just Donetsk, their minimal goals include expanding into Odesa (which means also taking Kherson and Mikolayv to get there). The war will continue (if at current pace and nothing radically unique happens) until around 2030, but Russian authorities already said they're preparing for fight for 20+ years if necessary.
Russia is overhauling its military industrial complex this very moment as well, to not only accomodate needs of a long war in Ukraine, but to also reinforce borders with Finland and Baltics

>>507701724
>Russian authorities already said they're preparing for fight for 20+ years if necessary.
Can you find a source for this?

>>507701800
>Can you find a source for this?
Medynksi (head of the Russian delegation for the war) said this just recently in an interview, as he linked the fight to a long-war similar to the standoff against Sweden. Russia doesn't view the conflict is a one-off thing, it's a strategic/existential conflict which will continue to happen until all goals are met, even if it will require generations to reach those goals.

>>507701650
>Ukraine will never join NATO

The deal will be ukraine giving up some turf for joining NATO

>Destroyed demographically
Yes, russia is fucked.

In short you Ziggers are cringe.

>>507701901
Inflation is rising there. I wonder how long people will put up with it.

>>507702123
>Inflation is rising there. I wonder how long people will put up with it.
it really doesn't matter for a war like this, in existential wars people don't give a crap about GeeDeePee or money. In WW2 they fought just with 1 piece of bread as payment for an entire week

>>507701909
>The deal will be ukraine giving up some turf for joining NATO
the transaction would totally miss the point though, Russia doesn't want NATO in close proximity to its heartland, and exchanging turf just to get that close proximity anyway means a no-deal. There won't be any deal like that.

>Destroyed demographically
>Yes, russia is fucked.
Kind reminder that Russia's population grew by annexing territories, and Ukraine's population shrinked due to losing territories.

>>507701650
Obviously the zogbot media will report on the flawless Ukrainian victory regardless of the outcome, and the stupid piggies will celebrate it like they have done so far.

US/EU profiting off Ukraine's destruction = win for Ukraine

>>507699609 (OP)
When jews can no longer make shekels stealing land, military or redevelopment contracts

>>507701901
>"We'll, NEVER give up. We can do this shit all day. Keep it up for 20 years we will, fuck you opponent. you think you can beat us? HAHAHA!! Good luck with that shit!"

-Russian War minister 1905
-Russian War minister 1917
-Soviet Minister of Defense 1988
-Russian defense secretary 2025

Hmmmmmmm

>>507699609 (OP)
Russia and America are way to far apart on terms the best time to end this war was 3 years ago before that fat fuck Boris Johnson flew in, Crimea and Donna's which was majority ethnic Russian. So what the west expects the same terms after 3 years and 100s of thousands of lives Putin would be finished after that

It's important to understand that perceptions of the war matter in order to understand the will and commitment from all parties involved in the conflict.

And while everyone keeps pushing their agenda onto the world from a NATO or Ukrainian perspective (this being a mix of moral jingoism and fanfictions about orcs and elves), the Russian vision of the conflict is always ignored, so here's a quick summary of it:

Russian soldiers: unironically see this as a "holy war". Not just a political conflict, or a territorial conflict, but as a "fight for survival against the devil himself" - these are words from soldiers from the frontlines, not my words.
Russian government: as per recent comments from its top diplomats - Russia sees the war as a modern manifestation of the Great Northern War, which was fought by the Russian Empire for 21 years against Sweden, with intent to destroy Swedish hegemony. However, in this case Swedish hegemony is represented by EU.

When the Russia army and government are convinced they are fighting an "epic war" and not just some proxy conflict, then you should expect total commitment from there side, which puts economy and politics as a secondary after-thought for them. It's really an everything-or-nothing battle.

>>507702595
see >>507702874

>>507702874
>Russian soldiers: unironically see this as a "holy war". Not just a political conflict, or a territorial conflict, but as a "fight for survival against the devil himself"

Ah I see, sooo the first world war was against a nice guy I guess and thus it was ok to surrender to the Kaiser then is the gist of what you're saying?

>>507703463
russia joined WW1 to protect Serbia

>>507700840
you're a faggot nigger, be more grateful for the gibs you are getting and elect a president who will wear a fucking suit and say "yes please and thank you" when the nation that is ensuring your survival is trying to stop your countrymen from getting killed.

>>507699609 (OP)
Probably soon, Kiev kept getting pounded, factories and trainyard near me kept getting bombed all night long, at least 50 drones hit. No AD, except pathetic machineguns and Gepard firing a couple of times. Felt like defeat, Jewlensky is kaput. Oh and entire city got covered in smoke.

In about 2-3 years when russia runs out of money and collapses, or when Putin dies, whichever comes first.

>>507699609 (OP)
when Ukraine start bombing moscow civilians like russia do in Kyiv

It won't. It will freeze at some point and will become a years long bitter border line conflict

>>507701724
>>507701650

It does not matter what Russia demands. Reality will be different.
Yes, it's a draw because Putin will not achieve his goals, which he considers existential for Russia. He is not having situation under control and his demands are unacceptable for eu. If either side start collapsing more resources from this side will be allocated. Current offensive speed will oscillate around current trend

>>507706751
In other words:
NOTHING EXTRAORDINARY WILL HAPPEN

>>507701724
>>507701901
gonna end as soon as monke dies of old age.

>>507701650
if WW2 was just Germany getting bogged down in Poland for 5 years before making peace and taking only the Danzig region, would that be a victory?

>>507704459
Are you hiding in your mother's attick like anne frank to hide from TCK?

>>507699609 (OP)
When TZD happens.

>>507706177
>>507706751
Hot takes from Yakubian society lmao

>>507706177
Yes, Russia will run out of money. No, it won't collapse. Despite not succeding in his compaign, decision on ceasefire is in his hands. Eu wants war to be over, because ceasefire will benefit them more than Putin. Putin keeps going because he has money to do so. Once he start running out of money (he won't go into critical zone) he'll go for peace

>>507707035
Yes, hiding in the mom's attick and waiting for Russia to liberate me

>>507699609 (OP)
When Ukraine is completely subjugated and returned to Russia.

i don't get why calling russians orcs is supposed to be "insulting"
Russian orcs sounds fuckin' sick.

>>507707436
>Eu wants war to be over, because ceasefire will benefit them more than Putin
ceasefire isn't equal end of war
EU doesn't want the war to be over, they just want an (((unconditional))) ceasefire to freely move in more equipment with no repercussions in the meantime to then have some weight for a potential negotiating table. They even want it to last a month or more so that they could capitalize on the time frame properly.
>he'll go for peace
Russia has been inviting Ukraine to peace talks since day 0. There are always excuses from the other side or bold attempts at chutzpah as the aforementioned. EU kikes, Ukrainian kikes, American kikes, none of them are fit for treaty making.

>>507701650
>>"Y-Yeah its' a draw we both lost bro"
>>507706751
>Yes, it's a draw because
That's the sort of nonsense you sometimes see about the Winter War, which Finland lost, despite people insisting otherwise.
Yeah, they bloodied the bear, but the bear won in the end, snatching away Karelia, parts of Kola, and islands in the Gulf of Findland.
They literally lost part of Finland (Karelia) that Sibelius wrote a suite about.
Sad, but they lost.
Same with Ukraine.

>>507707833
We will eventually get to you.

>>507708202
It's a Lord of the rings, reference.

Majority of people here either don't care about the war or willing to die for whatever reasons, but I can say that you can join some sort of "volunteer" group and still be considered as veteran with pretty good payment. So far I can easily expect a war for like 5 years minimum, 10 years is also reasonable.

>>507709161
Yea russia totally didn't want the whole country, they just wanted an itty bitty part of it, total victory bro.

probably after the iranian war, jews need to keep russia busy