Is feminism a version of marxism? - /pol/ (#507827284) [Archived: 1060 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: U+4HJ3zWUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:01:21 AM No.507827284
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Marxism involves class struggle of oppressed vs oppressor class. Women are a class of human society. Since feminism is a struggle of women (oppressed class) against the patriarchy (oppressor class), isnโ€™t it just marxism? Why do feminists deny that they are just commies?
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Anonymous ID: QRjG+W6nUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:04:32 AM No.507827492
>>507827284 (OP)
It would most likely fall into a sub category of cultural marxism. As it is marxism seems to have two key things involved with it, you have to be a spiteful mutant, and you have to have a severe victim complex.
Anonymous ID: 9K2c9bBfUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:05:27 AM No.507827545
>>507827284 (OP)
Women's role in society is coalition building as in they're there to try to keep the tribe together with soft skills so that the tribe remains together through various difficult challenges and child rearing. This is by definition socialist in nature so women come with a degree of socialism built into them because you need that group thing in order to maintain coalitions and ties inside your in-group.
Anonymous ID: eeuTLuF5Brazil
6/18/2025, 8:07:31 AM No.507827682
>>507827284 (OP)
Feminism is a version of liberalism, you were the ones who gave equal rights to women first and then forced all Western countries to do the same and you want to implement feminism in Iran
Anonymous ID: UGTW1B8+Australia
6/18/2025, 8:09:45 AM No.507827810
Women are an exclusively buorgeois. There is no "female working class". The Incel Revolution will be the precursor to a true Socialist Utopia.
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Anonymous ID: 5rZFN/bYUnited Kingdom
6/18/2025, 8:10:02 AM No.507827829
>>507827284 (OP)
It's a form of degenerate identity politics that true revolutionaries should reject. No war but class war!
Anonymous ID: UGTW1B8+Australia
6/18/2025, 8:11:25 AM No.507827907
>>507827810
*women are an exclusively bourgeois class desu
Anonymous ID: MpGZu/hUAustralia
6/18/2025, 8:12:14 AM No.507827950
>>507827284 (OP)
Marxism, feminism, liberalism are all egalitarianism.
Anonymous ID: REO06mydUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:18:55 AM No.507828339
>>507827284 (OP)
Marxism and Feminism both have their roots in Judaism, that is why they seem so similar. Both reek of Ashkenazi angst and cognitive dissonance. Judaism is an ethno-religion built on a persecution complex and pits the "chosen" versus the rest of the world and promises they will one day rule over it all when the Messiah comes. Substitute chosen for proletariat, goy for bourgeoise and messiah for classless society and you have Communism or secular Messianic Judaism. Substitute chosen for women, goy for men, and the messiah for the matriarchy and you have feminism, Messianic Judaism for lesbians.
Anonymous ID: RRm0cj1hBrazil
6/18/2025, 8:21:14 AM No.507828497
>>507827284 (OP)

Anathema to the cause, abortist whores weaken the working class.
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Anonymous ID: REO06mydUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:25:32 AM No.507828735
>>507828497
There is no single working class. The interests of the farmer are not the interests of the factory worker are not the interests of the tradesman. Marxism stupidly oversimplifies things and more often than not the real class war ends up being urbanite bureaucrats(with urban worker helots) versus rural farmers.
Anonymous ID: kbvbtrcWUnited Kingdom
6/18/2025, 8:31:49 AM No.507829080
>>507827284 (OP)
>Is feminism a version of marxism?
Sort of. Horkheimer was where the
>Take marxism, but instead of the working class being wage laborers who are predicted to revolt, instead look at who is currently revolting or easiest to persuade to revolt, and work backwards to conclude that they are the real working class
meme originated. It's essentially marxism but using abductive reasoning rather than deductive reasoning. Most modern idpol stems from this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Horkheimer
>For Horkheimer, the working class had been a revolutionary subject only in the abstract
>It was essentially an empty placeholder for the subject which would overthrow an economic and social system which they considered wrong
>If it failed to live up to its expectations, then it could easily be replaced by another subject of revolution
These "other subjects of revolution" that Horkheimer speaks of are today's assortment of idpol minority groups that replaced the working class as the focus of the western left. Even if they aren't wage laborers, Horkheimer considered them to be the real working class because they behave in the manner Marx claimed the working class would behave (ie trying to destroy capitalist societies). They swim like a duck and quack like a duck, so they must be a duck.