at the surface the trinity makes sense. except every analogy to explain the trinity is condemned as a heresy, and I bet most christians here think at least one of them.

they cope by saying its beyond human understanding so they can claim that god is somehow 'one' and indivisible, but you can't do this without a polytheistic trinity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw

>god created the son (non divine) - no that's arianism!
>god son and holy spirit and three parts of a single whole - no that's partialism!
>god son and and holy spirit are different modes (like phases of water) - no that's modalism!

trinity: god son and holy spirit and completely distinct, without subordination but somehow this isn't polytheism. they have the same essence (homoosious) - but if three distinct beings have the same essence, you run into the same problem of a divisible god - one of the heresies (modalism or partialism)


if you can create an analogy to explain the trinity that isn't heretical and still monotheistic i'm interested to hear it.

>>507834482 (OP)
Twin flames but more complicated and different

>>507834482 (OP)
the trinity is very simple
"God" is a state of being. An essense that is commonly shared between the Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.
in other words, its a distinct "race"
the three individuals in questions are three seperate persons who are part of the same "God" race.
The same way you and i can consider ourselves "Human", yet on a personal level we are totally different entities with different personalities, life choices and appearances

"-im" means multiple. Goy-im. Sepharva-im.

ELOH-IM

>>507834482 (OP)
whass true in da statement:
>1. da trinity be wild mysterious, ain no full human explanashun.
- church been sayin da trinity a mystery (like god-level stuff our brains cant fully clock). das why all dem lil comparisons fall short, dey eitha ovasimplify or straight-up twist gods nature.

>2. most trinity comparisons? straight heresy fαm.
- da post ain wrong, yall tryna compare da trinity to water (ice liquid steam) a clover or one person doin different jobs? nah dem joints been cursed by da church fo centuries. dey lead to:
- modalism (god jus switchin modes like outfits, sabellius got dragged fo dis).
- partialism (like da daddy son n spirit jus pieces of god, nah each fully god).
- arianism (sayin jeezus wuz jus a created being, get dat weak stuff outta here).

>3. tryna explain how god one n three? das a headscratcher.
- how god stay one but got three distinct persons without breakin apart? church said: "nah dey ain parts, dey all fully god same essence (ousia) jus different relashuns."

where da statement trippin:
>1. trinity ain polytheism, don get it twisted.
- christianity say one god jus in three persons. not three gods, one being in three eternal divine relashunships.

>2. not every explanashun heretical, jus gotta be precise.
- yeah most analogies flop but da church dropped official language to keep it tight:
- one essence (ousia) three persons (hypostases).
- no hierarchy, daddy son spirit all equally god.
- eternal relashunships (daddy begets son spirit proceeds from daddy n/or son).

>3. da trinity ain no logic fail, its a paradox.
- a contradicshun would be sayin god one n not one in da same way. nah its one in essence three in persons, different categories.

>>507835499
> any good analogies?
nah none perfect but sum ain full heresy:
- sun analogy (light heat rays comin from one sun), still flawed but at least it don split god up.
- love analogy (lover beloved love itself), augustine rocked w dis to show how god relashunal.

but real talk? scriptcha & tradishun da only way to really grasp da trinity. da post rite dat most explanashuns fail but it misses dat da doctrine holds up when u get deep into da deology.

da post half-rite, yeah trinity analogies mostly trash n its hard to explain. but it trippin sayin da trinity polytheistic or illogical. at da end of da day da trinity a mystery but its core to da faith, don water it down.

The Christian Trinity is the final retardation of the mind’s desperate attempt to make sense of its own broken logic. Duality was already a sickness, a delusional framework that split reality into false opposites, but trinity takes that madness and multiplies it, turning incoherence into a doctrine. Instead of admitting that a divided God is absurd, Christianity tries to force three into one, making divinity into a schizophrenic mess. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not a profound mystery—they are the last gasp of a failed system, a ridiculous patch job on a contradiction that should never have existed in the first place. A God that is simultaneously one and three is not a divine truth—it is mental dysfunction codified into theology.

This is the final retardation of human thought, where people are forced to worship an idea so broken that they must accept it without question. It is not enough to believe in an external God—now He must also be split into multiple aspects while still pretending to be singular. This is not enlightenment; it is intellectual suicide, a doctrine that forces people to abandon reason entirely in favor of blind submission. The Trinity is not a step beyond duality—it is its most degenerate form, an attempt to fix an already broken illusion by adding yet another layer of deception. It is the mind eating itself, lost in its own maze, incapable of accepting the simple, undeniable truth: there is no division, no opposition, no three—only one, always one, forever.

>>507835607
Non-duality is the ultimate truth because reality is not split into opposing forces but is a singular, undivided existence. The illusion of separateness is created by the mind, which categorizes and divides experience into subject and object, good and evil, self and other. However, these divisions are arbitrary and only serve to reinforce a false sense of identity and conflict. In truth, all distinctions collapse when seen from a deeper awareness—everything arises from the same source, moves within it, and dissolves back into it. Non-duality is not a belief but a direct perception that transcends conceptual thought, revealing that there was never any real separation to begin with.

Duality is a distortion of reality, trapping people in endless cycles of opposition, struggle, and illusion. It forces everything into a framework of conflict—light versus dark, right versus wrong, life versus death—making people believe that these polarities are fundamental rather than constructed. This creates suffering because it conditions people to seek one side while fearing or resisting the other, never realizing that both are part of the same whole. Trinity, on the other hand, is an even more absurd attempt to structure reality by adding a third element, as if inserting an intermediary or a balancing force makes things more coherent. In truth, trinity is just a more elaborate form of duality, an artificial layering of concepts that still fails to grasp the indivisibility of existence. Reality is not two or three—it simply is, beyond numbers, beyond division, beyond all mental constructs.

>>507834482 (OP)
Actual "trinity"

from the back your mother's delicious ass looks like that of a 20yo, but the from from she is clearly a hag.
However, her face looks like a ballsack!
is your mother a ballsack, a 20yo girl, and an old hag all at once?
and do these visions not affect then reality?
frankly I know the the truth, and it's not trinity, which makes you double retarded, meanwhile most people are only oncely retarded!

>>507834482 (OP)
Listen to Ken.
https://youtu.be/lJ6pc1uUA3k?feature=shared

>>507834482 (OP)
Nah, you see it's
>40 books trying to explain it

>>507834482 (OP)
Hjalti Earlybeard, Ysmir Wulfharth and Zuris Arctus all equally became the 9th divine Talos by becoming equal parts Tiber Septim upon activating the Numidium.

>>507834922
This anon flip flops. Which mask are you wearing today?

The King of the United Kingdom, and the King of Canada, and the King of Australia are all fully separate from each other, but each are all fully Charles III.

Religion is bullshit, but if you believe in magic sky fairies there’s no reason you couldn’t have some equally bullshit theological magic where the threat aspects of the trinity are separate but are all also fully God. Maybe divinity has laws where the same entity can occupy different distinct positions

>>507834482 (OP)
just mental gymnastics to say that jesus fulfilled the prophecy of being god coming down on earth.
the trinity comes from the triangle which is a symbol of spiritual ascension used in the star of david or pyramids or freemason. it represents division between animals, humans and gods and has nothing to do with christianity. them using this symbolic just shows they are a fake because the actual origin of this triangle belief is likely just people back in the day associating ceremonial temple structures with spiritual meaning.

>>507834922
polytheism (God "race" implies more than one)
>>507835703
partialism (front part vs back part)
>>507835960
>equal parts
partialism, you didn't even try
>>507836226
>King of X, Y, and Z
you have simply restated the trinity claim with a bad analogy but missed the point entirely; the trinity claims that all three "Kings" simultaneously exist separately
you didn't even get as far as making an argument

>>507836071
i dont need to wear a mask in order to scientifically answer a question

>>507836872
>polytheism
Since when were Christianity or Judaism conisdered as monotheistic religions?

>Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
>OUR image
>OUR likeness
"God" here refers to himself as a group of people while describing the creation process of earth and mankind

>Psalms 82:6-7
I have said, Ye are gods; And all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes.
>Ye are gods
who are Gods?
The jews are Gods
a chosen people by the immortalized space cabal who created the earth. People that are designed to be stewards of the most hight

> 1 Samuel 4:8 KJV
who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods? these are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness.
>these mighty Gods
>the Gods that smote the Egyptians
Here we can see some philistines (heh things never change) bitching about the jews
But what should captivate our attention is how they refer to their God as "mighty Gods"

When jews speak of God, they refer to him as one entity because they are ONE PEOPLE.
Whereas the pagans, more often than not, are a mixed multitude.
What does that have to do with anything? When people communicate or try to convey information, they project their own understanding and inwardly wired nature onto the world in order to express themselves.
When Jews bitch about monotheism, it comes from their rejection to assimilate with the masses
It has nothing to do with the nature of God, who is Holy Gods and its not limited to a trinity either. The trinity is just a kosher simplification for the goyim so that they can get on board more easily.

It really conditions the mind to accept absurd contradictions like "all humans are equal" etc. And to rely on slogans as if theyre arguments. Absolutely disgusting retardation.

>>507834482 (OP)
0 is not 1 nor 0&1
1 is not 0&1 nor 0
0&1 is not 0 nor 1

>>507837963
Each is god

>>507834482 (OP)
>caring about jewish schizobabble
Just fucking let the jew worshipping death cult die already holy fuck.

>>507837673
>i dont need to wear a mask
But you do anyway

>>507837673
Theres 20+ jesuses a jew has to pick from when converting to christianity

>Simeon

>>507835807
Oh wowe, 40 entire books of jewish schizobabble!

>>507834482 (OP)
>god created the son (non divine) - no that's arianism!
That's why we say God begot the son

From the Nicene creed:

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;

>>507834482 (OP)
Is wave/particle duality heresy? Electrons behave like waves and also like particles and they are most likely neither, but the explanation fits

>>507838048
> you do anyway
then why are you asking me since you know so much?

>>507838084
there are millions of Jesuses and they are all the real deal.
Jesus is everywhere when atleast 2 people gather in his name.

OP is jewish and rapes kids.

this is a redpill thread now.

>>507834482 (OP)
If you have three persons who are all called God, then you would have to apply every attribute of God to all three persons just as they are described in the Bible.

They would all have to be omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, the creator, the sustainer, perfectly righteous, perfectly just, loving, merciful, truthful, faithful, unchanging, eternal, infinite, Holy, The Most High.

Only the first 3 attributes listed here are needed to understand the Triunity of God.
Omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.

A question that has found difficulty being answered since the beginning of Christianity is this, "How can The Father, Jesus The Son, and The Holy Spirit all be God if there is only One God?"

On the surface of this question it would seem to be an impossibility according to logic that we understand.
How can three be one?

>>507834482 (OP)
>>507838480
If you apply the attribute of omnipotence to all three persons, then you may realize that a paradox could occur.
Hypothetically, imagine a scenario in which two of these omnipotent persons took an action against each other.
Whose will would prevail?
If they were both truly omnipotent, then it must be that both would prevail, but that would be an impossibility.
It would, at this point, seem that two or more omnipotent persons that have distinct wills could not exist at the same time.

However, a solution to this paradox is formed once you begin to apply the rest of the attributes of God to these persons.
If all three persons are omniscient, then they would all be wisdom itself, and knowledge itself.
They would, all three, have perfect understanding of all things, including the will of each other.
Having perfect knowledge, the decisions and actions of all three would be in perfect agreement in all ways.
Therefore, the paradox of omnipotence would never occur.
In fact, it is the paradox of omnipotence that becomes the impossibility.

Next, look at the attribute of omnipresence.
This answers the question that is the most difficult to reconcile with our logic.
How can three be one?

This must be considered carefully and honestly, but the solution is both beautiful and simple.
If these three persons are all omnipresent, then that would mean that all three of them exist perfectly and entirely within each other in every place and in every way.
They would seemingly be separate to us, but one in truth.

They all three occupy, within each other, The Most High place, that is, the Throne of God, in perfect unity.

The Father exists perfectly and entirely within both the Son and The Spirit.
The Son exists perfectly and entirely within both the Spirit and The Father.
The Spirit exists perfectly and entirely within both the Father and The Son.

>>507834482 (OP)

kike

>>507834482 (OP)
Each person may willingly subordinate itself to the will of the other person, just like Jesus prays to the Father and his wish is granted, or how Jesus obeys the will of the Father even if his human nature doesn't like it, or how the presence of the Holy Spirit stands as testament for righteousness and can change the course of things.

Or how God himself subordinated himself to mankind and made us the rulers of the Earth, and how man needs the help of God to actually rule the Earth, it's not a typical legalistic hierarchy but one which emphasises synergy.

You are a ruler of the Earth and i am also a ruler of the Earth, i will not subordinate myself to you in the wordily sense and neither should you, what we will do is, according to our characters, gifts and abilities, work together as distinct people, sometimes in your way and sometimes in my way through discerning what's best, towards our destination which is theosis.

>>507838428
>then why are you asking me
To see which flop you're flipping to

>>507838046
Good goy

>>507834482 (OP)
It's so unnatural and nonsensical that it's almost a proof that it's not man-made.

The thing is, the Bible doesn't say "trinity" even once.
It is just describing God in a way that makes no sense unless you realize that God is three persons in one being. And it's not a Christian invention, early Jews had debated this issue in the OT just as much, and some did reach the same conclusion as the Christians.

>>507834922
The most retarded non-sensical shit I've ever read. Kill yourself christcuck.

>>507838428
>Millions of jesuses

And yet the only one is the orthodox one. And even then you have to pick the right one for you because every priest is an alter christus but not every priest is good for you. Mine literally told me to go to someone else

>2 people

No. Its 4 or more. Its in the book. God is not "only" 2 or 3 people

>>507834482 (OP)
It makes perfect sense.

What is a man? Flesh and spirit. Duality. The flesh desires to feed, to breed and to otherwise follow biological impulses. The spirit desires higher things; it wants money, or power, it seeks to build things, and often times these grate with the flesh. The flesh is lazy, it does not want to go out and earn money; yet the spirit overpowers. The third member is God; the Divine Will, that which corrects the petty concerns of our spirit. Where we craved money, where our flesh craved rest; the Divine Will caused us to give what money we already had to our brother who was in need. Neither our flesh nor our spirit desired this, yet the Divine Will did, and God indwelling us convicts our spirits so that we do His will and not our own.

This is a demonstration of the triune nature, yet God is wholly unified. The Father is the Will, the one who speaks. The Son is the word, that which is spoken of, which is incarnated on the Earth and who did the great work and won the great battle. The Holy Spirit is what is given out to us; that which convicts and commands, the breath in our lungs, the muscles in our legs, the blood in our veins; that which moves us.

Christ as God and man did the will of the Father by the power of the Holy Spirit. The three united in purpose; in one, as God. The Father sent the Son, and the Spirit testifies of the Son, and the Son is victor who conquered death and freed us from the prison of the enemy that is sin.

>>507839016
>No. Its 4 or more
Matthew 18:20
>For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

you dont know your bible, mate

>>507839197
>my subjective interpretation is right

i align with jehova's witnesses on this one.
show me where the trinity is in the bible.

>>507839617
>For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
>And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
-1 John 5:7-9

>>507834482 (OP)
God is immortal, He can't die. Thus trinity is false.

>>507839554
>Jesus says that 2 people gathering in his name is enough and spells it out
>it means that more than 4 people must gather in his name in order for it work
oh geez, silly old me and my subjective perspective or amm... "interpretation"
guess i am wrong about everything and i am completely discredited ! what am i gonna do now!??

>>507839752
>>it means that more than 4 people must gather in his name in order for it work
Is dividing by 1 a metaphor? You also got the scripture wrong. Lol

>>507839752
>i am completely discredited ! what am i gonna do now!??
Lash out with violence like you always do when exposed

>>507839681
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

>>507839197
1.Why do you keep posting this wannabe kirari kid?

2. That was a long long time ago. Gods expectations of us are higher now. Was telepathy a thing in 50 AD? No,it never was mentioned but it does exist to an extent otherwise we wouldnt have dozens of people claiming to talk to angels with legit proof over the centuries. In the same fashion God has to be more than 3 people,ideally 4+. Its not the bible,its Dogma

>>507839681
>>507839928
>Evidence of the Trinity:
Genesis 1:2 - Holy Spirit of God
Genesis 1:26-27 - God refers to Himself in a plural form
Isaiah 6:8 - God refers to Himself as both I and Us
Matthew 28:19 - Baptize in the name of GOD. Notice they share a name. It does not say baptize in the 'names'
Zechariah 12:10 - They shall look upon *ME* whom they have pierced.

>Evidence of Jesus' Divinity:
Matthew 16:16 - Jesus is THE Son of God, not 'A' Son of God
Colossians 2:8-9 - ALL of the fullness of the divinity of God dwells in Christ bodily
Luke 8:39 - Jesus tells the man to tell his people what God had done for him, and the man tells them what JESUS did
John 5:18 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God
John 5:23 - We must honor the Son JUST AS we honor the Father.
John 10:38 - Jesus and the Father are in one another, or in 'union' as the JW translation puts it.
(Union: the action or fact of joining or being joined)
John 20:28 - Thomas refers to Jesus as both Lord and God
Romans 8:9 - The Spirit of Christ is the equivalent with saying the Spirit of God


>The Holy Spirit is God, not an impersonal force:
John 14:16-17 - The Holy Spirit is a Helper, or a person who helps.
John 14:26 - The Holy Spirit is a Helper; Also shows Jesus' divinity by showing He can send the Holy Spirit
John 15:26 - The Holy Spirit can bear witness
John 16:7-8 - The Holy Spirit is referred to as a 'He', again shows that Jesus can send Him
Acts 5:3-4 - Lying to The Holy Spirit is lying to God.
Romans 8:26-27 - The Holy Spirit intercedes for us when we pray.

>>507834482 (OP)

Imagine that Battlestar Galactica and the Terminator are part of the same universe. So God is the undead Cylon AI. The Holy Spirit is Skynet and the Terminators. Kyle Reese is the Father. John Connor is the son.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHUEYIE_MZA

>>507839975
>Why do you keep posting this wannabe kirari kid?
Because that anon is a loser who doesn't have his own character, so he flip flops around with someone else's characters

>>507839926
>You also got the scripture wrong.
source?
>lol
ah i see, thats your source

>>507839926
>Lash out with violence like you always do when exposed
i dont need to be angry in order to gut you out like the swine you are, i would do that for entertainment purposes alone

>>507839975
>That was a long long time ago
God is not a subject to change.
Mankind moves from point A to point B in space and time, but God is eternal and constant.
The principles that are underlined in the bible are meant to apply universally

>>507836872
>you have simply restated the trinity claim with a bad analogy but missed the point entirely
You're just saying this because you can't find a heresy to fit his explanation.
>the trinity claims that all three "Kings" simultaneously exist separately
Those three kings also exist separately, Charles III. could, in his function as King of the UK, write a letter to himself in his function as King of Canada asking for money and then write himself back telling himself to go fuck himself or whatever. There could actually be real legal reason for such a formality to exist tho I haven't checked if something like that actually happens.
Point being there's only one Charles III., he's not split, and each of the three Kings are fully him.

>>507834482 (OP)
Worry about what scripture teaches, not what people say. The persons of the trinity share COMPLETELY their perfect holiness, a common will, an eternal nature, perfect knowledge, many other things. Imagine if you shared so much with a person. The sharing of perfect knowledges and will in a way makes you unified, yet you act independently while knowing exactly what the other is thinking or doing. To me, it's as if each was a part of one brain...but each also functionally contains 100% of that same brain. I do think it's hard for humans to understand and they will never FULLY understand it...until the next life. That's just a fact, if doesn't matter what you think of it.

>>507834482 (OP)
Here’s the best I can do: a rock has a rock nature but zero persons. You have a human nature and one person. The Trinity has a God nature and three persons. And Jesus has two natures but one person. So: 1:0, 1:1, 1:3, 2:1. The first two you understand because you see them constantly the last two are strange because they’re the only examples but it is what it is.

>>507840101
See >>507839736

>>507840141
>>You also got the scripture wrong.
>source?
"For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them" (Matthew 18:20).

Days nothing about a 4th, nor do you even really need two.
>>507840141
>gut you out like the swine you are
Yeah this this LARP I'm talking about. Thanks for proving me right. Kek
>>507840141
>God is not a subject to change.
Yet "God" has many interpretations

>>507840308
>Days nothing about a 4th, nor do you even really need two.
nothing about the point i was making, try again

>>507839681
>>507840101
>1 John 5:7-9
the Joannine parenthesis was added by the early church and not a direct translation
Jesus also refers to God as "my God" (Matthew 27:46; John 20:17; Revelation 3:2)

>>507840297
>But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
>And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself,

>and became obedient unto death,

>even the death of the cross.
-Philippians 2:7-8

>>507840396
>nothing about the point i was making
>>507839752
>>it means that more than 4 people must gather in his name in order for it work
You really do defeat yourself. I love being here for it everytime too haha

>>507840436
Doesn't refute anything. God is immortal and eternal so He can't die.

>>507840496
>He can't
With God, all things are possible.

Your understanding of the word omnipotent is lacking.

>>507840141
>Mankind moves from point A to point B in space and time, but God is eternal and constant.
The principles that are underlined in the bible are meant to apply universally

God's expectations of us are higher than they were in the times of the old testament since we now have the ability to make ourselves in the image of God which Job and elijah and David never could. We can do much more now than they could in the times of jesus since we have the ability to have more faith and perform greater miracles. And since everyone seems to have proof and personal knowledge of the existence of god the expectations are sky high

>>507838497
>They all three occupy, within each other, The Most High place, that is, the Throne of God, in perfect unity.
Doesn't it say tho Jesus sits to the right of the Father?

>>507834482 (OP)
The son is to explain the father. Accepting the son is accepting the father

>>507834482 (OP)
Reading about Trinitarianism and its history/introduction to Christianity is a major reason why I lost my faith.
>not in the original manuscripts at all
>Trinitarianism was a Palestinian belief about their angels that was co-opted by the Early Church and became one of their biggest debates
>Constantine (false Christian) forces the debate to be over when he officiates the Nicene Creed and has Trinitarianism installed as a core tenet of nu-Christianity
At least the Jehovah's Witnesses are right on one thing...

>>507840526
>With God, all things are possible.
He can't lie, so, no, that's not how things work.

>>507834482 (OP)
christianity is just a form of communism made to destroy the roman empire. nothing about communist ideology is supposed to make sense, and the less logical it is the better humiliated your opponents are. christianity was always enforced and when it wasnt people laughed and realised how stupid it all is.

>captcha: (G)0YM4D

>>507840457
>thinks that my greentext was anything else but a sarcastic statement which was meant to reinforce my previous assertion
unsalvageable
bump the thread again so that people can read my based first post

>>507840566
>old testament
the book of matthew is the NT tho
>perform greater miracles
great joke, call me when you kill more than 1000 fully armed people with your bare hands like Samson

no one who reads the bible cover to cover ever comes to a trinitarian idea. it comes straight from man. itd be like believing you are actually eating Jesus' body when you eat a saltine cracker made in a factory by low wage mexicans

>>507840658
Whats your issue with the triune god

>>507840876
>>thinks that my greentext was anything else but a sarcastic statement which was meant to reinforce my previous assertion
No need to think. I know it. Because I know you.

>>507840876
>call me when you kill more than 1000 fully armed people with your bare hands like Samson
>laughs in Iron chariots

>>507834482 (OP)
I follow Christ and his word exclusively. I've thrown everything else out, because it's second hand and built on jew lies. Even the Jesus story is edited to the point of confusion and debate, which is what they wanted.

I've been in more churches than most and did religious service work for many years with my father. Nine out of ten white churches are complete bullshit, but it's a marginally better message than watching sportsball and getting drunk in front of the tv.

Vatican is the continuation of Babylon from the survivors of the Judean genocide that returned to conquer Rome centuries after Jerusalem was crushed. Once you understand the framework that christianity was built on - and who built it, it makes sense. It makes sense for being a non-sensical system of symbolism and metaphors, which is nothing more than illusion designed to control large crowds. Entire civilizations.

Anyone that follows doctrine established by Rome can go die in a fire and have their corpse fucked by chabad necromancers (although they will probably charge a fee for that service, you know how jews are about money). Babylon and all of it's adherents must be destroyed.

>>507840999
>Because I know you.
Do you know me? or do you have a false interpretation of me, you smelly hypocrite

>>507840572
He is at the right hand of The Father, yes, but He also is seated on the throne.

>For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
-Revelation 7:17

>>507838428
>Jesus is everywhere when atleast 2 people gather in his name.
This is also false. Jesus is every where regardless of how many people gather in his name

>>507840793
I would argue that there are things that God will not do, but nothing that God is incapable of.

>>507841108
>Do you know me?
Yup. I've documented your flip-flopping rather well. Still leeching off granny?

>>507838469

>>507840876
Have you never received small (smaller than the pinkie finger's nail) pieces of paper with numbers (all <151,theres no higher number on them) typed on them in perfect red ink and surrounded by a tiny red square made in the same ink? I wish I had taken pictures of them. Theyre from the demons and represent how they pray against us. I have some pics. I dont think this counts as wonder per se though,wonders are performed by people like pic related who alongside many others like him has several documented wonders that he performed. Otherwise he wouldnt be such a well known saint.

>>507834482 (OP)
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god, and through him all things came to be.
Jesus Christ is the word made flesh. God's word, as a man like us. Except blameless and without sin.

>>507838503

>>507840658
>Matthew 3:16-17
Father, Son and Spirit in one tidy scene
The three are seen all through the OT, from the Genesis creation passages to Jesus commanding the disciples to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. NAME. Not "names". Singular. The doctrine of the Trinity did not arise out of guesswork and conjecture, it was the logical deduction of overwhelming Scriptural evidence indicating that there was One God. But God is described as tri-part, triune, God the Father, Son (Word) and Spirit.
Three in one, one in three and the one in the middle died for me.

>>507841108
I also know when I really get to you because you forget to post your cartoons in a vain haste of hurt pride

>>507841098
based and Qui-Gon Jinn pilled
he followed the force and the force only. the jedi council followed the force, yes, but also were subject to jedi law and interests thus corruption

i went to an orthodox temple in the hills with orthodox friends and when the priest put out his hand to be kissed i wanted to puke. no man is holier than another

>>507834922
>three seperate persons who are part of the same "God" race.
Flagrant polytheism.

>>507841299
Thanks Plato, I hope some Jewish rabbi won't steal this one

>>507834482 (OP)
>too dumb to understand a concept that unwashed medieval peasants could wrap their heads around
why would you ever admit this?

>>507841195
He's incorruptible which is why He can't lie.

>>507841489
Can you tell a lie?

Are you going to next argue that you can do something that God cannot?

>>507841524
It's from the Word of God. If you don't trust that then you gotta work on that.

>>507841587
I trust that God is omnipotent.

>>507841172
>Jesus is every where regardless of how many people gather in his name
the omnipresense of God is irrelevant to the purpose of the discussion. It started of with the conversion of the Jews and how there were many Jesuses to choose from. The point that i was making is that Jesus dwells within any group of believers and that every one of them is capable of representing Christ.

>>507841238
>Still leeching off granny?
i have a job

>>507841447
>muh polytheism.
refer to this post >>507837673

>>507841299
Want to add to that Jesus Christ wouldn't let a man call him good, because our Father in heaven is the only one who is truly good. Said the same for calling the pharisees (or now funnily enough, catholic priests and bishops) father, because we have one father in heaven, that's God.

>>507841114
Hmmm, let's begin by saying I agree with the rest of your explanation. Them acting in perfect harmony makes them functionality indistinguishable from a singular entity. I also agree that God is omnipresent and that each, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are God and omnipresent, if at the very least through their will being carried out instantaneously everywhere, at the very least through their perfectly harmonious action. I think I just struggle with the physicality of it.

>>507841635
>the omnipresense of God is irrelevant to the purpose of the discussion
Incorrect it's the very essence of it.
>The point that i was making is that Jesus dwells within any group of believers and that every one of them is capable of representing Christ.
So his omnipresence isn't irrelevant to the discussion then. Nice way of contradicting yourself

>>507841635
>i have a job
You're a notorious liar so that's a doubt

>>507834482 (OP)
Three distinct persons in perfect unity of purpose and agreement.

How hard is that to understand?

>>507834482 (OP)
A god that could be perfectly understood by the human mind would be a god that was created by a human mind.
Yes, God is beyond human comprehension.

>>507834482 (OP)
Right now I just think Jesus' life means even more if he is his own distinct being with his own will, who chose to trust his maker down to the end.
He is perfect so he could've absolutely ruled the world and done it well on his own terms, but he showed a perfect person could listen to God, unlike Adam, Eve, the Devil or the Demons.
The Bible itself says there's a whole lot more to learn that it is not the time for yet, so if that view absolutely must change someday then alright. I just don't see the more complex interpretation as being superior in every category at this time.

>>507841869
his omnipresensce is irrelevant because if people dont gather in his name, then these people are not part of the body of Christ and they dont share in the collective egregore which is the superego of Christ and it's manifestation through our earthly bodily vessels.
These makes them confined to darkness and doomed to be rejected, to weeping and gnashing of teeth for eternity.
When speaking of the presense of Christ, we specifically discussed his influence and power, his truth and his path to life.
Not about the fact that he is always there watching


>>507841869
>that's a doubt
thats a (you) problem, honey.

>>507841738
>Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me
John 14:11

>>507842295
>his omnipresensce is irrelevant because if people dont gather in his name, then these people are not part of the body of Christ
Yet Jesus is still there regardless. So again, you're contradicting yourself
>>507842295
>thats a (you) problem, honey.
Not really. Because I'm right lol

I enjoy watching you think you're smart, only to put your foot in your mouth.

I guess that's how it is for a flip flopper who lacks truth and only cares about perception

>>507842335
I bet your father was in you as a kid every night dumbass christnigger golem

You all sound so fucking stupid and crazy LMAO just stick with the official doctrine "uh it's a Mystery lol"

>>507840911
It's fake and gay

>>507841365
>The developed doctrine of the Trinity is not explicit in the books that constitute the New Testament, though it is implicit in John[76], and it was first formulated as early Christians attempted to understand the relationship between Jesus and God in their scriptural documents and prior traditions.[17] According to Margaret Baker, Trinitarian theology has roots in pre-Christian Palestinian beliefs about angels.[77]
U wrong

>>507842532
>Yet Jesus is still there regardless
dumb as a pile of shit, arent ya?
try reading what i said again
>When speaking of the presense of Christ, we specifically discussed his influence and power, his truth and his path to life.

give me my obligatory (you) so that more people can see my basedness, but atleast try to insert some thought provoking remark next time

>>507842679
Islam cannot reconcile God's justice with His mercy.

Without Jesus Christ, one must be ignored for the other.

>>507842085
>How hard is that to understand?
>literally invented a new word "persons" to explain it
Fucking kys holy shit. The plural of person is people but you can't say that cuz it sounds plural. So you just make shit up AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>507842734
" YOU sinned against ME, so YOU must kill MY son"
That's justice to a Christcuck. LMFAO

>>507842848
How then can God be both merciful *and* just?

Consider a man who stands before a judge after having committed a crime.
That man's crime is not made directly against that judge personally, but against the laws of their country and society.
If the judge forgives the man and pardons him, then retribution and justice have been ignored for the sake of mercy.

However, when a man sins, he has committed crime against God directly and personally.
This is because he has broken the Law of God, which is itself an extension of God's Will.

To break God's Law is to directly transgress against the very essence of the Personhood of God Himself.
Fortunately for us, since we have transgressed directly against God, He has the Authority and Right to forgive us.

Then for Him, for Retribution to take place, *He willingly suffered* the penalties due to us for our sins for the express purpose that Justice could be done for the allowance of His Mercy through forgiveness, so that He may be further Glorified by His Love for us.

But, if a person decides to reject that payment of Justice and Mercy, when they stand before the Judgement Seat of God, Divine Retribution must fall upon that person's head for their transgressions, that God's Justice may be satisfied.

>>507842721
>dumb as a pile of shit, arent ya?
>try reading what i said again
Jesus was there at your inception, he's there with a hand when you stumble and there when you die. Your statement about the presence of Christ is wrong

Enjoy the taste of your foot, flip flopper

>>507842894
>How then can God be both merciful *and* just?
Coming from the same God who commands the death of babies and rape of virigin girls. I wonder the same

Body, Soul, Spirit
Son, Father, Holy Ghost

In the beginning they were called simply
Word, God, Spirit
the Word became Son after the incarnation.
It's a single person.

>>507843011

>>507843040
Still begs the question though

>>507843091
Look here, a man who can judge God.

Moses and Jesus and Christ appear 2401 = 7*7*7*7 times in the Bible

>>507842918
>Jesus was there at your inception, he's there with a hand when you stumble and there when you die.
has nothing to do with the initial discussion or with the current point i am making
give me my next (you)

>>507834482 (OP)
>>if you can create an analogy to explain the trinity that isn't heretical and still monotheistic i'm interested to hear it.
I think dwelling on it is pointless. It's a dogma that it's incomprehensible and abstract. Just like physics on advanced level
How I see it though is that God contained Himself in human vessel to save humanity from the complete decay. As for why it had to be done this way - is a question about reasoning of a multidimensional, omnipotent being. Any attempts to understand it will quite likely be very incomplete
tl;dr all personas of God are His different aspects

>>507842894
First of all stick your copy pasta up your faggot ass, secondly sinning isn't a one-time=hellbound matter you just made that up, third Jesus didn't sacrifice SHIT if he could just respawn at will 3 days later KEK

>>507834482 (OP)

>>507842768
Persons is a grammatically correct word referring to multiple distinct entities. Learn to English Muhammad.

>>507843145
>has nothing to do with the initial discussion
It has everything to do with it. And your point is invalid. Hence why you can't actually refute what I've said because it's true

>>507843259
you didnt say a single tangible thing that is worth refuting.
give the next (you)

>>507834482 (OP)
A manager is also an employee and can also be a stock owner.
how can you be so motherfucking stupid? lol the trinity is not a fucking complex topic.

>>507837673
>And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
>>OUR image
>>OUR likeness
>"God" here refers to himself as a group of people while describing the creation process of earth and mankind
I know you've never built anything in your life but imagine you built a chair. It takes knowledge, tools and a will. Are those three separate people?

>>507843330
where's the anime girl pic?? Got lazy?? Ran out of waifus??

>>507842706
Let me guess, you only believe in jesus because you want to sin constantly and get away with it,be forgiven

>>507837673
>When Jews bitch about monotheism, it comes from their rejection to assimilate with the masses
>It has nothing to do with the nature of God
Are you not a Zionist today?

It’s based on Egyptian gods
Of course you don’t get it
Why would you know anything about it or anything deeper when every discussion turns into muh pyramids and ancient aliens

You have to read and research real material
Online isn’t great because too many mad Christians pollute the data on this one

>everything religious you know now is from Egypt
>everything

>>507843254
>a grammatically correct
Exceptionally, like in forced meme technicalities, which your theology apparently requires, LMFAO

>>507843330
>I can't refute you
Eating your foot is pretty bland tasting I bet

Brown people have an 80 IQ understanding of god. They can't imagine anything more complex than a single entity floating in the sky.

My white brothers, arguing with brown people is folly. Leave this thread knowing Christ is King and the poo gets flushed.

>>507834482 (OP)
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOD DOESNT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF MY HECKING PHYSICS!!!!!!
are you motherfucking retarded?

>>507843440
>Not complex
Hey cathcuck pedo faggot your own official doctrine is it's a "mystery" LOL

>>507834482 (OP)
Water.

Liquid, ice, steam,

Water is liquid, ice, steam, but liquid, ice, and steam are not eachother.

zT8mp/pg
Is frantically searching for more csrtoon images lol

It’s like the physical body, soul and conciousness. Warrior pagans that believed in immortality of the soul would keep doing so unless you could convince them that life is precious in a way, so you put God in the flesh idk

>>507843450
>knowledge, tools and a will.
>Are those three separate people?
three seperate people? No.
three seperate means towards reaching a common synthesis? Yeah.

>>507843493
>Ran out of waifus??
never

>>507843545
>Are you not a Zionist today?
i am zionist till the day i day, baby
israel first always.

>>507843721
>>507843886
God actually set the laws of physics, and even physics reflect that

It's actually really shameful people struggle with 1st grade concepts, even the most turbo atheists of the past agreed that the Holy Trinity was very simple to grasp, if illiterate medieval brutes could pull it off then how can't modern man?

>>507843960
>>knowledge, tools and a will.
>>Are those three separate people?
>three seperate people? No.
Congrats, now you understand what s metaphor is.

>>507843960
>i am zionist till the day i day, baby
>israel first always.
Pic rel is you

>>507841402
Let us stay in the service of The Lord.

Only non-orthodox Christians have any issue understanding the Trinity. First you need to understand time and cause/effect chain, everything that is created exists within time and logical paradigm of cause and effect. God is uncreated and he exists, ontologically, based on a framework that is literally existentially alien to logic itself because he supersedes it since God alone is the actual ontological basis of everything through Logoi and Logos.
Outside of time, non-consequentially, there is a father who is eternally begetting a son and eternally spirating a spirit, each being associated with logoi, logos and substrate of existence respectively.
Divinity itself is the fact that all three hypostasis exist outside of time, because of that they share one essence which is to be uncreated under monarchy of the father. They are one because they are uncreated, thus their status instead of following a sequence of cause and effect is in an eternal infinite mode, eternally begotten for example.
Humans also share essence, that is to say if we were outside of time humanity would be a single being shared between hypostasises, but because we are created and in time we are separated in cause and effect.

>>507843011
That's fair to wonder about.
I'd say it's similar to how parents are responsible for their children and should prioritize their safety over vile practices, yet they will not always be allowed to be spared on account of their children and thereafter their children would die anyway, as no one is obligated to take care of them. In other cases the society was so corrupt that even aside from the material strain of taking up survivors, there would be behaviors that an imperfect human could not root out, especially before it caused damage. Lastly, these actions falling under making an example out of certain people/societies/behaviors.
The difference with God is that unlike any human who makes the same judgements, he can bring these people back and give them the perfect help they need to readjust, assuming they choose to take that offer. He has the power to set it all right in the long run.
>why not fix everything already
This is the next question and another fair one. Basically, it's to let humans do their own thing (short of actually destroying the world) to prove that they just can't manage things properly on their own.
Human leaders, maybe later "AI" leaders. So later on when all is set right and new people are born and grow to wonder why choose God's way, instead of just hearing a "trust me" there will be a real history of human/demonic leadership failing to look back on.
Can this explanation still be deeply unsatisfying especially when your life or the life of someone you love isn't all good? Absolutely. Yet if God is capable of the levels of understanding that are written about, he'll understand some reach their limit sooner than others, on account of imperfection.
It's similar to telling my poor friends I will help the more in the future. I personally see less than $1000 has turned into $30,000 due to a little investment research. They don't and must believe in me, yet I have helped them a lot along the way so they have reason to trust my future plans.

>>507844055
>le metaphor
you know what else is a metaphor?
you bleeding out and gasping for air as i shove my turds down your throat
i dont know for what exactly this is a metaphor but it can be open for interpretation

>>507844289
>The difference with God
I'm not interested in hearing pilpul to justify a megalomaniac

>>507843440
That is not what is going on, it isn't a single hypostasis pretending to be three roles. It is three hypostasis that are one because all three of them are outside of time and their essence is Yahweh, I am that which I am, to be self subsistent, that is to say to be uncreated. It is three uncreated hypostasis that are one through their nature, hence they are one being.
As I brought an example, if collective humanity was somehow uncreated/out of time, we would also be one being. We already are of one nature, the reason why we truly can't be one of because our personhoods are separated through time and cause and effect, because of that our actions are not eternal and infinite they are instead locked in time. Father begetting a Son is an infinite act, outside of time, happening eternally without a start or an end.

>>507834482 (OP)
It's really simple.

>>507844317
>you bleeding out and gasping for air as i shove my turds down your throat
Kek, right on queue
>>507839926
>Lash out with violence like you always do when exposed

>>507834482 (OP)
I think of God as a multidimensional being. What would it mean to be a higher-dimensional entity? We can't truly comprehend that, but it's not unreasonable that such a being could project at least 3 unique aspects of itself down into 3 dimensions that could appear differently to the 3D beings but all be part of the same singular entity. Think of doing the same thing in 2D, put a foot, a hand, and a face into the 2D plane and you have three very distinct views, all different, but all the same entity.

>>507843013
No, hypostasis are true and actually real in full sense, they are associated with attributes such as the father holding the logoi, the son being the logos, and the spirit spirating it into creation, but they are not three lesser components of a greater whole.
They are three fully self sufficient hypostasis, who at the same time are fully the same being, being in an ontological sense.

>>507844378
Megalomaniac presupposes "mania" or a state of uncontrollable decision making. God is perfectly in control of his decisions and has authority over all life and death. God can execute judgement and death perfectly while also dispensing mercy and life perfectly. Your lack of ability to understand does not nullify the nature of the divine nor His authority.

>>507834482 (OP)
It does if you understand it.

The trinity

>>507844519
>Kek, right on queue
smug one liners are rather boring
if you try to construct a post that is longer than two sentences you will be exposed for the idiot that you are.
in that case exercising violence on wimp losers like you is the only option

>>507844712
>God is perfectly in control of his decisions
Nah, the God of the Bible is clearly a victim of causality like the rest of us.

>>507844924
>construct a post that is longer than two sentences
I have. You couldn't refute them so you leapt back to the violence LARP.

>>507844924
>I have. (full stop)
>You couldn't refute them so you leapt back to the violence LARP. (full stop)
congrats you met your "two sentences" quota
sadly i are derived out of quality and contain only smug remarks as already mentioned
therefore you will be killed and thrown into a meagrinder like the piece of lard you are, sadly im not in america

>>507844780
Creation, life, and quantum understanding. That's what you should know about YHWH.

>>507845183
>you will be killed and thrown into a meagrinder like the piece of lard you are
I enjoy hurting your feelings :^)

>>507834482 (OP)
Only stoneworshippers contrive not understanding the trinity. Whether you agree/believe it or not it isn't difficult to understand.

>>507843886
That's modalism, retard. he literally mentioned this very example in the OP dude.....

>>507845302
blablabla
give me the next (you) retard
keep the thread bumped

>>507843886
See
>>507844138

>>507845398
>give me the next (you)
This dummy almost understands how a forum works. Lol.

>>507845456
give the next (you), moron

>>507844378
>Let me ask you a question that I'm not interested in hearing the answer of, just to feel smug
Atheists are so insecure...

>>507845508
Well almost gets it hahaha

>>507844904
The real is not always logical
The logical is not always real
The truth is not always logical
The logical is not always true
What's real isn't always true
Truth is real, I'll give you that.
r/atheism would jerk off to this slop, though.

>>507834482 (OP)
there really never was a "holy spirit"
there is only the father and the son, they just wanted it to be 3 because triangles are cool and esoteric

>>507835499
>>507835536
Thanks Dr. Travon!

>>507845603
go on mongrol, spam the next one

>>507845548
>Let me ask you a question
I didn't ask a question though lol

>>507845247
Ya who???
It’s a fuggin Ankh
Chinese level of copyright infringement

>>507845508
>>507845663
He's running out of cartoons lmao

The most infuriating thing you learn when you read the Bible, is how fucking stupid it actually is. Like, how badly written it is, how many errors, contradictions, inconsistencies. All the general stupidity and savagery in the whole thing. What are you even reading?

Most people imagine the bible to be some book of wisdom, and yet there's none to be found.

>>507845737
you just dont deserve them
give the next one retard

>>507845791
>you just dont deserve them

>>507845669
>presents a question
>comments 'I wonder the same'
>I dIDnT aSk A qUeStIon
Ok, if it makes you feel better.

>>507845971
his whore life is centered around gaslighting people in christian threads

>>507845688
Indeed. The Ankh represents life and the unity of the masculine and feminine on the macrocosmic scale and the microcosmic. Consciousness and energy, the masculine is the divine mind, the feminine is creation, but they're still one. This is the Father and the Holy Spirit, together they create, and when they're unified within you, you achieve the God consciousness. You're the Son of God, I am too, this is how you connect with God, that higher consciousness, the father. This is what Jesus meant when he said the father is within him. Your consciousness comes from the divine mind, same as everyone.
If you're going to follow an Abrahamic faith you should understand Kabbalah.

>>507845971
>>presents a question
Incorrect. I presented a logical contradiction to the so-called "good nature" of the biblical God
>>507846043
>centered around gaslighting people
You do it to yourself

The best analogy for the Trinity is you are travelling down a river's end towards the sea.

1. The boat you are travelling in is the Son,
2. The river carrying you is the holy spirit
3. The end destination is the father.

All 3 form part of the wider journey. Without any component the journey ends.

> muh modalism
This is not modalism in and of itself. "God" is the Journey. Not any or all of the constituent parts

I asked chatgpt for an analogy

Analogy: The Human Mind

In your soul, there are three distinct but inseparable aspects:
1. Memory (Father) – Your awareness of yourself, the root of all inner life.
2. Intellect (Son) – From memory, you form a concept or word of yourself — self-knowledge.
3. Will (Holy Spirit) – You love yourself based on that knowledge.

In God there is one most simple essence, but three persons, who are really distinguished only by relations of origin, not by composition or diversity of powers. Intellect and will in God are really the same, yet by different modes of operation they produce the Word and Love, who are subsistent — that is, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

>>507846090
https://taraenergy.com/blog/what-is-electromagnetic-energy-why-important/

>>507842894
That's not justice tho nor is it mercy

>>507838986
I'd rather be a christcuck than a memeflaggot.

>>507834482 (OP)
Trinity makes sense when you realize abrahamcucks stole the idea from the Greek philosophers like Pythagoreans and Platonists, they were working on the trinity long before demented abrahamcucks even knew how to write their schizofied stolen tales to paper, if you want to see the trinity clearly read the John's gospel in Greek.

>>507846142
>Incorrect.
It literally had a question mark.
>I presented a logical contradiction to the so-called "good nature" of the biblical God
Yeah, formulated as a... question.
Atheists are so insecure, they seem to be incapable to admit when they've been wrong....

>>507834482 (OP)
>at the surface the trinity makes sense
lmao nothing makes sense in those stupid books

>>507835284
Sorry the normies aren't ready to discuss El and Elohim

>>507846161
>I get my theology from a dead machine
anon.... this may be the most ncp thing I've ever read

>>507846161
That is the partialism heresy.

>>507846286
>It literally had a question mark.
What did?
>>507846286
>Yeah, formulated as a... question
As a rhetorical question. It'd amazing how dumb you and the other anon are. Lol

reminder that anybody who believes that kind of bullshit is low IQ

>>507843440
you're a modalist heretic

reminder that christcuckery is originally a jewish cult

>>507846432
>What did?
The question you presented.
>As a rhetorical question.
Ah. So you admit you... asked a question that you weren't interested in hearing the answer of, just to feel smug. But felt super offended when I pointed that out to you. >>507845548
Atheists are so insecure, they can't even take being called out on their insecurity...

there are people out there who unironically believe this. this is your brain on religion.

Jesus has
-- 2 contradictory genealogies filled with errors
-- 2 different birth stories that don't mesh together logically or thematically
-- 2 different baptism stories with contradictory details
-- 2 different crucifixion stories with totally different timelines
-- 2 different resurrection stories, broadly speaking, although the specific details are wildly different in all 4 accounts

It's just ridiculous man.

The old testament has less overlapping scripture so it's harder to find blatant contradictions. But it's filled with so much ridiculous mythology.
-- Talking animals
-- dragons and unicorns, magical things
-- a flat earth
-- the global flood that never happened
-- bloody sacrifice rituals
-- extremely brutal and psychotic bronze age laws
-- Jacob bear-wrestles god in a 1v1 cage match for the name "israel"
-- God "hardens pharaohs heart" against letting the jews go, then as punishment, kills the pharaohs child and all the other children too
-- God makes contracts with the jews for earthly power, in exchange for their soul. Sounding pretty satanic.

It's a madhouse. There is no wisdom to be gained from any of these stories. You're training yourself to believe lies.

A true holy book would teach you...
>how to reason and think through things
>how to form a government that isn't a sacrificial theocracy
>how to comport yourself in social situations
>the proper shape of the earth, our place in the universe, maybe some basic astronomy or geology
>some clues about a particular black liquid lying under the ground. It could be all vague and stuff
There's so much that SHOULD be there, that isn't there. Instead we get pages and pages of endless geneologies or goat-sacrifice rituals, it's insanity.

>>507846157
ok i admit this is a good analogy

>>507846090
No that’s not the trinity if anything it’s Horus Isis Osiris Set all mashed up and elements of each in the Jeeeebus story but not an exact copy

Word of mouth in the past was common and literacy was uncommon and access to written material was also not common so you get the telephone game effect

So things aren’t exact and are also somewhat altered by people retelling the tale or making copies of written material if they are literate and part of that class in society

>>507834482 (OP)
>the trinity doesn't make any sense
>Backwards Irish peasants can figure it out.


>>507836071
Which mask are you wearing today Chaim?

>>507842848

>>507846157
Partialism heresy

>>507846937
>The question you presented
Where is the literal question mark though?
>>507846937
>Ah. So you admit you... asked a question
Come back when you understand what a rhetorical question is bud :^)

>>507847099
>Chaim
What's with the transjews and their jewish buzzwords?

>>507834482 (OP)
You're correct. There is no sensible explication of the Trinity that doesn't conflict with logic or with some other dogma.

The trinity dogma is an unfortunate feature of mainstream Christianity that Christians are obliged to defend, even if it makes no sense. There is some evidence in the Jewish writings of the NT that suggests that there is more than one single divine figure, but this was taken to absurdities as theology was systematised within the ruling hellenistic philosophical paradigm. It didn't have to be this way. Early Christians had a choice on whether to intellectualise their religion in order to compete with established schools of thought, or whether they should remain rooted in practice and accept that the message of the cross was considered foolish. But no, they just had to explicate the tentative, vague ideas in the NT and encode it in dogmas that were to be binding on every believer on pain of anathema. So from time of the great church councils on Christianity was basically a mess, trying to retcon their dogma into the NT and trying to make 2+2=5.
Just accept that NT Christianity was *not* an intellectual religion and that later Christianity is a low IQ trannymutt of a religion.

>>507844630
>2025
>still being this mindbroken by hellenistic metaphysical notions

>>507835607
>—

>>507846090
Also Kaballswash is fucking shit
Abraham was a complete Nimrod

>>507846161
chatgpt hitting you up with a flawed body-soul-spirit analogy.

the real thing goes like this

1. Body (Son) - Your physical manifestation in reality and the means to intereact with the world. An interface that allows you to exist in the matrix
2. Soul (Father) - Your root programming, the cultural input that was implanted into you by society and the collective hivemind, which allowed you to propagate your genetic line and to survive.
3. Spirit (Holy Spirit) - Your consciousness and being aware of the present moment, being aware that you are alive, having the proficiency to identify the "self" and to give life to your body/vessel and soul/root programming by uniting them and utilizing them

This is not the trinity that the bible or Christianity speaks about, but its definitely how mankind was created.

Through the mud (body/son), God breathed the breath of life into the nostrils of man (consciousness/holy spirit) and man became a living being (with a soul)
synthesis and turned into the image of God.

>>507847149
>Where is the literal question mark though?
At the end of the sentence you quoted with the words "I wonder the same".
>>507847149
>Come back when you understand what a rhetorical question is
Is it... a question you ask that you aren't interested in hearing the answer to, like the one in your post that was oozing with smugness? Wait, don't tell me, this isn't a question. Heh.

>>507847329
t. religious cuck trying to interpret nonsense

>>507839736
What's your logical objection about God dying?

Everyone just uses google or chatgpt lol
It’s like why have a conversation with anyone online about anything of depth

It just occurred to me at some point people might clue in to that and just talk to the AI
I can see the younger generation completely embracing this

Then if the network goes down or they have no phone they know absolutely nothing and cannot talk about fucking anything

Wonder how that will work out

>>507836226
>The King of the United Kingdom, and the King of Canada, and the King of Australia are all fully separate from each other, but each are all fully Charles III.
This seems like God wearing different hats which I'm pretty sure is a declared heresy

>>507847402
>At the end of the sentence you quoted with the words "I wonder the same".
Oh boy, still doesn't get it. Lol
>Is it... a question
No, it's a statement. Posed as a question for dramatic effect as I answered it in the statement. Hence the rhetorical part not needing an answer

No need to keep up the pilpul my friend

>>507847329
What s boat load of buzzword nonsense

Isn't the trinity just one of those demoralisation tactics? Like what socialists use. Making you accept something that is contradictory

>>507847492
That anon does a lot of drugs and gay sex. It explains a lot p

>>507847687
>still doesn't get it.
You still don't get it? Do I need to link the very comment to help your memory?
>No, it's a statement. Posed as a question
Anon....
>y-you're the one pilpuling!
Atheists are so insecure, they always feel the need to project as a mean of protecting their ego....

>>507847626
The bible literally says god cant die

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%206%3A16&version=ICB

>>507847940
nothing in the bible is true

>>507834482 (OP)
It's just the idea that God isn't limited to being in one place at a time and is omnipresent.
How difficult is this to understand for you people? Holy fuck.

>>507847933
>You still don't get it?
I do. That's why I made a rhetorical question which doesn't need an answer lol

Keep up buddy. Nonamount of pilpul or gaslight will change what a rhetorical question is or your lack of understanding what that means

>>507847940
You do realize there are two concepts of death in the book?

>>507847076
>>507847293
Its knowledge passed down from the Annunaki. Multiple societies had it. The Egyptians got it from the Shemsu-Hor, who were the Annunaki of Sumeria, the Greeks, Romans, and "jews" got it from the Egyptians. The Vedics had it too, and because of that the Chinese have it and so do some Indian families and gurus. The Aztec and Mayan civilizations had it, and some Native American tribes have it who got it from the "White Giants" of the Americas.
It's a long story and history isn't as you're told.

>>507847940
Ok here is a very simple question for you. This should be very easy for you.

Can you see god?

>quick give me validation so I can ignore my spirit rebelling against me all the time!
No. Go get baptized and submit yourself to the Lord. Then your soul will stop punishing you.

>>507847646
but i didnt use chatgpt, i never did infact

>>507847492
Its what the Greeks believed way before christianity was a thing
The Greeks classified mankind in three groups

Hylics - Psychis - Pneumatics

Hylics being confined to their physical animalistic base nature
Psychics are heavily cultish and reliant on the system
Pneumatics are spiritually attuned people who are in neither of those camps and instead they go their own way

>>507847832
next (you) retaaaaard

>God
The spirit, soul or consciousness that guides our physical reality
>Holy Spirit
The communication or interaction with God that gains us insight and understanding
>Jesus
The soul of God in a physical person

This is probably heresy but whatever. What is important for me is: i know that belief in Jesus leads to insight through the holy spirit, further belief and then altered reality (by God). Or something like that. Belief in a spiritual sense for me is not restricted to belief in dogma, it is tied to the reality (timeline) altering properties of belief.

>>507848209
>next (you) retaaaaard
Like the ones you give me? Retard

>>507848292
dumbass nigger, you are the one replying to me when im not talking to you at all

>>507848121
God cannot die in any sense of the word

>>507848134
I don't believe in the bible

>>507848209
>The Greeks classified mankind in three groups
>Hylics - Psychis - Pneumatics
within the context of Gnosticism

>>507848339
You don't get to dictate what God can or cannot do.

>>507847210
>it's a buzz word
Putting on the newfag mask.

>>507847933
ego is essential to reddit atheism. By their doctrine a person can increase their IQ by just becoming atheists.

>>507848123
Yeah lol see this is what I mean every ancient history discussion always brings out some mook shit like this
History is boring I know but the solution isn’t bad fiction

>>507848209
Well I apologize I wasn’t reading all your posts

>>507848334
>you are the one replying
Like you are to me right now?

>>507848489
Well, the ones you call "Jews" use it all the time and it works for them. It works for anyone who uses it.

>>507848487
>Putting on the newfag mask
Speaking from experience?

>>507848103
Anon.... rhetorical questions fall under the category of "questions that you don't want to hear the answer of", in your case, purely posed for the sake of smugness.
That's neither pilpul nor gaslighting.
Again, atheists are so insecure, they are overwhelmed by the need to project in order to protect their hurt ego....
But with you the cognitive dissonance is truly astonishing.

>>507848497
next (you) retard
make it snappy

>>507848584
A rhetorical question is a type of question that is not intended to elicit an answer but rather to make a point, provoke thought, or emphasize an idea.

I don't know why this is hard for you to understand

>>507848481
Bro the bible LITERALLY says god cannot die.

Ok anyways does god know everything?

>>507848666
>make it snappy
You forgot a cartoon again. Lol

>>507834482 (OP)
Okay jew you go die for isreal

TKD HEIL HITLER i denounce the Talmud the Quran and the Bible

MEIN KAMPF is the WHITE MANS BIBLE

>>507848727
i told you already that you dont deserve them
go next moron

>>507848778
>i told you already that you dont deserve them

>>507848724
And it litterly also tell you physical death is not real death what are you getting at?

>>507848965
where does it say god can die?

also is god all knowing or not?

>>507848487
>ego is essential to reddit atheism
Agreed. So is the incapability to deal with their insecurities. It's not far fetched to assume this follows causally from their doctrines of "we're all just products of randomness" or the opposing "we don't have free will because the world is deterministic" and surfaces strikingly in one of their more popular memes "humans are just stardust with anxieties".

>>507849095
Where does it say he's physically unable to die?

>>507849140
>"we're all just products of randomness"
I don't know anyone who believes this.
>>507849140
>we don't have free will
We have caue and effect that binds us

>>507848667
So, in other words, it falls under the category of "question that you don't want to hear the answer of".
Atheists are so insecure, they are unable to realise their cognitive dissonance even if it stares them right into the face for multiple posts in a row...

>>507849095
God is the beginning and the end. What is in the middle?

>>507848724
>Ok anyways does god know everything?
God is everything and is everywhere. Do you think he built the universe by going to the local hardware store and buying a bunch of stars? Every atom in the universe is a part of God.
So yes, God knows everything and is everywhere.

>>507849183
For god to die physicaly, he has to be a man. The bible also says god is not a man

>>507849354
>God is everything and is everywhere
welcome to hinduism my friend. is god also in my toilet where i just took a steamy dump? is he also in the aids infested ass crack of some gay mexican man prostitute?

also if god knows everything, jesus didnt know everything, therefore jesus is not god

>>507849273
>I don't know anyone who believes this.
It seems you don't know many things.
>We have caue and effect that binds us
Are cause and effect compatible with the existence of free will, in your world view? I'm genuinely curious.

>>507834482 (OP)
I don’t believe in the trinity but best way I can explain it is that, God being a ethereal being wanted to know what it meant to suffer, so he created a physical avatar of himself on earth which is Jesus, the Holy Spirit is they way God communicates between the spirit and the physical realm.

>>507849302
Oh I get it. My statement made you uncomfortable. So instead of arguing that. You attempt to pilpul the difference between a question and a rhetorical question. Then you claim I'm nsefire because you don't understand the difference between the two.

Maybe it's you projecting your insecurities on me anon (another rhetorical question)

>>507849578
>nsefire
Insecure*

>>507849535
>all knowing god
>wanted to know

>>507849475
I asked chatgpt
God is present everywhere, but not as a part of creation. He is:
• Present by essence: all things exist because He sustains them.
• Present by power: He governs all.
• Present by knowledge: nothing escapes His understanding.

But He is not “in” things like a body is in a space. He transcends them. So God is not “in” a bathroom in a vulgar sense, but rather, no created reality — no matter how lowly — exists apart from His sustaining will.

>>507838135
jew-tier word games

>>507849519
>It seems you don't know many things
I know the difference between a question and a rhetorical question lol
>>507849519
>Are cause and effect compatible with the existence of free will
Not really. As you can't freely will away consequences of your actions. Nor do you have free will when you believe an all-powerful being has a will that supercedes yours
>I'm genuinely curious
Watch as you strawman this

>Jesus is human
>the father is not human
Is god human?

>>507849140
>stardust with anxieties
It's funny how the word "stardust" has such magical qualities for the atheist. As if involving stars makes dust greater then what it is in a materialistic universe.

>>507849273
Really leaning into the newfag mask today Chaim.

>>507849372
Are you insinuating that God cannot take control of a mortal coil and do his things?
Assuming God takes control of a mortal body and that body dies while God is controlling it doesn't that make God die physically speaking?

>>507849910
yes and im not insinuating this, i'm saying this clearly. what evidence do you have that god can do any of these things?

>>507834482 (OP)
God is the arm, the Son is the hand, the spirit is the fingers. The arm does consist of a hand and fingers but each fractal component is not independent of the arm. They rely on the arm.

>>507849910
Isn't that modalism (heresy)?

>>507849889
>all I know about atheist are strawman
Low IQ

>>507849958
God can do whatever the hell he wants and you're not in any position to dictate what he can and cannot do.

>>507850050
can god lie?

>>507850019
Never claimed that it was what Jesus is.

>>507850019
shit, I meant docetism

>>507849475
Hinduism is polytheistic so I don't see how you're coming to this conclusion. God isn't an 8-armed blue elephant.

Jesus likely had a greater connection to God than other men so had access to greater knowledge. He was still largely limited to a human form because otherwise, his sacrifice would have meant nothing.
Don't take everything so literally and instead read books like the Bible from a philosophical perspective. They are an attempt to understand the universe that we live in by people who have no real ability to understand the universe that we live in.

>>507850084
You're getting into paradox territory if God where to lie wouldn't that lie come true? Is it really still a lie if it comes true? Then again God != Wants.

>>507849889
The (((torah))) that you take literally for some reason says humans are just earth dust, kind of a downgrade honestly.

>>507834482 (OP)
YOU are the HOLY TRINITY.
Pic related: Your Physical body, your Astral body, and your Soul.

>>507850195
That's a pantheistic concept which is straight from hinduism, where god is his own creation. Besides the trinity is polytheism anyways

>>507850084
No

>>507850260
Can god break his promises? Can god forgive sins without having to sacrifice his quote unquote son?

>>507849475
Yeah, God is everywhere and in all things. 1 gave way to 2, 2 gave way to 3, and 3 gave way to the 10000 things.

>>507849645
Wanted to feel it physically. It gave God more sympathy for the human condition.

>>507850386
oh ok so there are things that god cant do

>>507834482 (OP)
The fact you can't grok this means you're a subhuman retard NPC.
Take a piece of bread and cut it 3 times. Toast one of the pieces, freeze another, and put one in water.
> Muh not bread anymore
That's what you sound like. You are undeserving of God's grace.

>>507834482 (OP)
What never really stuck with about it is that at any point a bird could knock up your wife and you should be thankful for it
Why the fuck? go impregnate a goose and we'll cheer it the same when it does a miracle, leave my wife alone you asshole. I don't go around fucking birds to randomly spawn the bird messiah...

>>507850560
thats partialism heresy

>>507849578
>My statement made you uncomfortable
It didn't. I have an answer to the question you presented that I'm very comfortable with. I commented because I found the way you responded to the other anon's effortpost needlessly condescending, so I took the opportunity for some banter towards a deserving target. I didn't expect you to be this hurt in response tho.
>>507849578
>You attempt to pilpul the difference between a question and a rhetorical question.
Anon, rhetorical questions fall under the category of questions. Hence the name. I even literally gave the qualifier "that you don't want to hear the answer of", to leave no doubt about the nature of your question.
Atheists are so insecure, they even project their insecurities onto others in an attempt to protect their fragile hurt ego...
>>507849825
>I know the difference between a question and a rhetorical question
It seems you don't, heh.
>As you can't freely will away consequences of your actions.
Does free will have to be omnipotent in your worldview?
>Nor do you have free will when you believe an all-powerful being has a will that supercedes yours
I'm made in God's imagine and God is present in me. In other words, I'm empowered by God.
>Watch as you strawman this
I'm genuinely curious, the question I ask you about this topic are all non-rhetorical. They aren't meant to misrepresent your world view, but further inquire it. If they show a misunderstanding of what you said on my part, don't be offended, it happens, hence the inquiry.

>>507850448
He can‘t be contradictory
A perfect being can‘t sin the he wouldn‘t be perfect anymore
He can‘t make a triangle with four sides
He can‘t order you to hate him

>>507838480
>How can three be one
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
>how can husband and wife be one

>>507834482 (OP)
because its a catholic lie, the trinity is not biblical, catholics arent christian

>>507850401
God is just he must punish sin, God is also forgiving he will forgive. He decided to provide his own sacrifice because he doesn't want to break his word.

>>507849889
>As if involving stars makes dust greater then what it is in a materialistic universe.
Yeah, it's a bit ironic. They can't shake the feeling of being part of "something greater" than humans.

>>507850027
>Goes to IQ
As predicted in previous post.

>>507850288
Why are stars special? Theistic world view all dust is a part of creation. Dust is dust.
Atheistic worldview earth is ultimately a product of star dust. Dust is dust.

>>507850982
That makes zero sense.

>>507850305
It really isn't polytheism, at all.
This is a very simple concept to get your head around.
There is one God and he exists everywhere simultaneously and he has no limits or opposition.
The fact that he can appear in the body of man while simultaneously existing everywhere in the universe is not contradictory.
Your problem is that you're not capable of thinking about this situation outside of your own perspective. God is not like you, God is infinite.
He's not a little old man with a white beard that lives in the clouds and sits on a golden throne. He is the soul of the universe.

>>507834482 (OP)
I'm not religious, but if someone would ask me to make this op picture make sense in a sci-fi/gaming environment, I'd guess I'd make up a larp about the "holy spirit" being the player, and that would need avatars to interact with the game world, such as "the father", and "the son" that are being characters on separate realms, with "the father" character could somehow make changes in two realms, while "the son" only could in one. So like a mini game within a game, but the player is the same.

>>507851230
Modalism. The three gods of the trinity are distinct, according to the nicean creed. How is that not polytheism?

If a trinity exists in reality, couldn't there also be one thousand beings in one or two beings in one?

>>507850748
>>My statement made you uncomfortable
>It didn't
I don't believe you. Or you wouldn't have gone through the trouble of making up such a ridiculous non argument to avoid addressing my statement
>>507850748
>rhetorical questions fall under the category of questions.
Can you tell me the difference between the two?
>>507850748
>>>507849825 (You) #
>>I know the difference between a question and a rhetorical question
>It seems you don't, heh.
But I do. See
>>507848667
>A rhetorical question is a type of question that is not intended to elicit an answer but rather to make a point, provoke thought, or emphasize an idea.
:^)

>>507850748
>Does free will have to be omnipotent in your worldview?
Wouldn't be truly free then would it?
>>507850748
>I'm made in God's imagine and God is present in me. In other words, I'm empowered by God.
Sure, the same God who knows all yoir choices because he designed every cause and consequences for them..

>>507850748
>I'm genuinely curious
Nah. Or you wouldn't still pilpul about what a rhetorical question is while claiming I'm insecure, even though the answer was in my statement

>>507851021
>shitskin can't appreciate the cosmos
Kek. You still haven't explained why you believe the jews when they say we're all just earth dust formed into golem though.

>>507851021
>As predicted in previous post.
You predicted your own low IQ?

>>507847259
Based and redpilled

>>507851229
And what does make sense to you? God changing his mind every other day to suit the sexual depravity of a closeted desert fag?

>>507850748
>I commented because I found the way you responded to the other anon's effortpost needlessly condescending,
Oh so you were both offended and uncomfortable.

Theists are so insecure, they even project their insecurities onto others in an attempt to protect their fragile hurt ego

>>507851644
Why dont you remove that memeflag and i'll answer you

>>507851307
It's just a clumsy method of explaining that God isn't limited to one mind like man is and is infinite.
They aren't going to fall out with one another and eventually go to war.
You have to read between the lines and not take it so literally.

>>507851307
They share one essence, nature, will and operation. The distinctions are only relational.

>>507851759
and so what? the fact that they are distinct means they are not the same. if there are 3 robots that share the same essence, nature, will and operation, they are still 3 robots not one.

>>507851743
Come face the gun Akhmed.

>>507851021
>Atheistic worldview earth is ultimately a product of star dust. Dust is dust.
This has nothing to do with atheism

>>507851960
ok so tell me something, according to you when GOD ALMIGHTY was a baby, and he used to shit, could GOD ALMIGHTY wipe his own ass or was he unable to do so?

>>507852163
I would like to remind you Could != Want.
And wasn't Jesus able to do that according to your own scripture saar?

>>507851365
>I don't believe you.
Want to hear my answer?
>Or you wouldn't have gone through the trouble of making up such a ridiculous non argument to avoid addressing my statement
You expressed that you weren't interested in hearing adresses to your question and I already gave you my motivation for responding to you.
>Can you tell me the difference between the two?
Questions are a broad category that encompass many different forms. You're trying to truncate my observation to just being "it's a question", stripping it of the qualifier I gave you "that you don't want to hear the answer of" and subsequently try to narrow down the definition of a question to "something that warrants an answer". And then you try to accuse me of pilpuling? That's projection and it doesn't fly.
>But I do. See
You miss defining "question" to truly show you know the difference...
>Wouldn't be truly free then would it?
That's an interesting conception. Does cause and effect, in your worldview, therefore proof determinism, or are there other forms of free will, that aren't truly free, that could be compatible with cause and effect - like the freedom to choose at will? E.g. if I offer you a banana and an apple as a snack then you are free to choose, yet you aren't truly free because you can't choose any other food than those two fruits.
>the same God who knows all yoir choices because he designed every cause and consequences for them..
Yes, the very same, who also empowers me with parts of this knowledge.
>Nah
Yuh-uh. Read the third part of this comment again if you still think I'm the one pilpuling.

>>507852372
jesus wasnt god though. but furthermore, when "god" used to shit and urinate, would that shit be considered holy and would you drink his piss like a pajeet?

similarly "gods" foreskin, would you keep it high in your home as a trophy? a holy foreskin?

>>507851695
>Oh so you were both offended and uncomfortable.
I was mildly offended, enough to give you some banter. I didn't expect you to drag this out this long, hah.
I can give you the answer I'm comfortable with, if you're interested.

>>507851873
3 robots would have three different substances while God has one substance. The distinctions in God are relational, loving knowing etc are self diffusive, but this actions happens in himself as relations so to not cause pantheism where creation would be eternally part of God.

>>507852533
>jesus wasnt god though. but furthermore, when "god" used to shit and urinate, would that shit be considered holy and would you drink his piss like a pajeet?
You don't have a problem doing that for a child predator.
>similarly "gods" foreskin, would you keep it high in your home as a trophy? a holy foreskin?
We did. It have unfortunately been lost.

>>507852443
>Want to hear my answer?
To what?
>>507852443
>You expressed that you weren't interested in hearing adresses to your question
Because I didn't ask a question.
>couldn't answer the difference between a rhetorical question and a question.
Very telling
>>507852443
>You miss defining "question"
I wasn't defining "question" but the difference between a rhetorical question and a question. Why are you lying anon?

>>507852443
>Does cause and effect, in your worldview, therefore proof determinism
Well, demonstrate a choice you made that didn't have a reason or a consequence to it. Is that the deterministic or not?
>>507852443
>Yes, the very same, who also empowers me with parts of this knowledge.
Which all boils down to an ultimatum at the end of the day. Bend the knee or perish. Doesn't sound very free

>>507852443
>you still think I'm the one pilpuling.
You are.

>>507852163
Why always the shit questions thats like asking why did almighty God create shit in the first place when it‘s gross lmao

>>507852585
>I was mildly offended
Done and done. We can now move past your reason for pilpul

>>507852839
What if its 3 robots created from the same manufacturer exactly the same way?

>>507852861
we dont think a human could be god in the first place. no human ever is worthy of worship, they are all subject to actually god.

but you havent answered. lets say your jew rabbi god squats down and squeezes out a turd, what would you do with it?

>>507852533
Urine and shit isn‘t part of your body it’s waste.

>>507853193
yeah but it would be gods shit, wouldnt it?

>>507853121
They are still different substances because they exist seperate from each other and their accidents can change, they can get damaged for example. While the trinity shares one substance meaning they exist as a unity eternally.