Thread 507864670 - /pol/ [Archived: 1008 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: hBNv2hTLUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:17:25 PM No.507864670
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QUIT FUCKING SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY


THIS IS COMPLETELY INSANE
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Anonymous ID: TwVuZwdyUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:19:10 PM No.507864853
>>507864670 (OP)
you voted for this
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Q ID: GiPktzy7United States
6/18/2025, 5:20:45 PM No.507865029
>>507864670 (OP)
Too late... USSA is going to collapse.
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Anonymous ID: lvKU4XabUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:26:12 PM No.507865641
Biden intentions were to consolidate trusts. There's no we in fed spending.
Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:28:21 PM No.507865867
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correct, the tandem gigaexpansion of fiscal(gov spending—controlled by U.S. Congress purse strings) and monetary(Treasury+central bank "moneyprinting") policies has reached a rubicon.
Interest Payments alone on the debt now swamp discretionary spending includ8ng total military, in a tsunami

Nobody is buying the debt.
Global debt (bond) market is going to respond, soon
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chud ID: 4osx1LMDUruguay
6/18/2025, 5:29:41 PM No.507866007
US Government Size 70 years
US Government Size 70 years
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>>507864670 (OP)

Zoomers are fucking retarded.

They keep asking:

waaaaaaaah why can't we afford homes?
waaaaaaaaaaaah why won't they pay living wages

And I keep telling them it's because of taxes. Taxes aren't free... it erodes your purchase power, because it slows downs supply chains. Taxes and regulations makes everything difficult, and your salary can't buy shit if supply chains is full of taxes and regulations.

US government spending has multiplied x20 but population only x2 since 1950.

Ideal Government size might just be what USA had in the 50s..... but it's grown tenfold PER CAPITA. It's insane.
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chud ID: 4osx1LMDUruguay
6/18/2025, 5:31:34 PM No.507866205
>>507864670 (OP)
worst part is that it's exponential

meaning that if USA is already paying MORE for interest on debt than all of military budget... in 5 years it might be paying several times over military budget JUST for the interest... not to reduce debt, but just for the interest

let that sink in

several times the military budget...... just for the interest... this is the near future
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chud ID: 4osx1LMDUruguay
6/18/2025, 5:33:54 PM No.507866462
>>507865029
USA is fucked... it's plain math

we're all fucked... petro dollar can't be protected with bombs anymore, China's playing the long game, USA is trying to bully Iran for a few more years of forced dollar hegemony
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Anonymous ID: Sh+uKIc9United States
6/18/2025, 5:34:35 PM No.507866531
>>507864670 (OP)
>US Dollar
>Money
Anon, I...
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chud ID: 4osx1LMDUruguay
6/18/2025, 5:35:39 PM No.507866637
>>507866531
you baboon!! US dollar is still money... your meme is going to become reality soon and you won't think it's so funny
Anonymous ID: KCr6lFPoUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:39:52 PM No.507867100
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>>507864670 (OP)
just repeal Bush and Trump tax cuts, problem solved, its not complicated, they like to pretend no one knows what to do
Anonymous ID: o+rrC/iBUnited States
6/18/2025, 5:39:59 PM No.507867110
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>>507864670 (OP)
>>507865029
>>507865867
>>507866007
>>507866462
Oh noo!
The imaginary money that is imagined is going to run out and I wont be able to imagine any more imaginary money!!!
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Anonymous ID: RmhiIOV4Australia
6/18/2025, 5:41:42 PM No.507867298
>>507864670 (OP)
Debt isn't real who cares lmao.
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Anonymous ID: 2km68/+QFrance
6/18/2025, 5:45:57 PM No.507867740
>>507864670 (OP)
Funny how the debt started to skyrocket under Reagan. Really makes you think.
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chud ID: 4osx1LMDUruguay
6/18/2025, 5:48:22 PM No.507867990
>>507867110

Actually it's the opposite, you won't run out of money, you'll have so much of it, it'll be worth nothing.

It's going to work out great for China.

You'll notice that simple things you took for granted now cost x10... proportionally to your salary. Can't afford a home? You won't be able to afford paint and your town will look like those Latin American slums that look gray and haven't been painted in 30 years. Super depressing. And you'll be called lazy for it too, it's going to be the humiliation ritual of the century.
Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:07:59 PM No.507870071
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>>507867110
>imaginary money
It's not "imaginary."
Money is created as Debt
that debt needs to be bought, on the debt aka bond market.
Entire system is founded upon debt, that is its basis.
When confidence, stability in that debt—global bond market—becomes volatile and unstable, nobody wants to buy the debt. Right now that is the situation

Global bond market has been exceedingly volatile and unstable for past three years, more so than in half a century. Couple years ago the Bank of England was forced to take unsold bonds back onto its balance sheet aka buy them up, in order to prevent U.K. pensions from imploding.

What happens when we can't sell our debt?
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690

97% Owned — How is money created
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcGh1Dex4Yo

**LEARN SOMETHING** instead of shitposting / scrolling past, for once
Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:21:47 PM No.507871548
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>>507867740
>under Reagan
yes the Thatcher-Reagan era ushered in not only neoliberal offshoring of the west's durable goods manufacturing capacity but even more crucially the post-1970s Financialization of the global economy. New, never-before-existed-in-human-history speculative debt instruments such as CDOs, derivatives, credit default swaps, options and other financial confections were created and allowed to exist in the investment bank gigacasino which took place over a decade and were officially formalized with the 1999 repeal of Glass-Steagall.

See my post above. The global economy consists of fiscal(gov spending) and monetary(treasury+central bank "moneyprinting") by *whatever governments* in aggregate around the world. The United States, its spending is a prime focus because USD is the world's default reserve currency denomination, the unit of debt note fiat currency that the entire world relies upon and more than 95 percent of all global transactions—the large HNW ones such as sovereign debt payments, corporate mergers—are completed in.
Post-1970s Financialization of the global economy meant that national governments are incentivized to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but rather the expectation that they will refinance. This applies to *all* governments/treasuries not merely the United States. Unearned income has become the primary method by which the global economy's top elites, using speculative debt instruments and debt note fiat currencies, are creating wealth and increasing GDP (which is less and less comprised of actual goods/services while more and more comprisd of Financialized debt + speculative instruments). Global debt topped $255 trillion in 2019 and $307 trillion in 2023, more than three times the amount of all global economic output, and total debt levels + deficit spending of past 30 years has eclipsed that of the past few centuries of western civilization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financialization
Anonymous ID: P2qxGjEsCanada
6/18/2025, 6:30:25 PM No.507872430
>>507867110
based
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Anonymous ID: yI9JyLC7United States
6/18/2025, 6:32:15 PM No.507872600
>>507864670 (OP)
we could save half a trillion per year by deporting all the illegals
Anonymous ID: 3bh5Fh/CUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:34:27 PM No.507872816
>>507864670 (OP)
you won, chud hahahahaaahahaha
Anonymous ID: 45fPW3smUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:34:42 PM No.507872843
>>507864670 (OP)
much of it is interest on previous loans
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Anonymous ID: 45fPW3smUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:35:45 PM No.507872960
>>507866007
>it erodes your purchase power
naw, that's inflation that does that. plenny o' dat too
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Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:36:49 PM No.507873066
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>>507872430
>>507867298
Debt has to be bought.
No one is buying rn

When the entire global system is totally founded upon Debt, the lack of confidence in and demand for it is a grave problem. Continued confidence in the bond market is required in order for the central banks' "fiat system" to remain solvent.
When the debt (bond) market goes, it all does. Instantaneous Mad Max
and we've never been closer to that, than rn
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Anonymous ID: Im4Z0ndgSwitzerland
6/18/2025, 6:37:18 PM No.507873111
By far the biggest spending was tax cuts for billionaires. Funny how nobody wants to undo those.
Anonymous ID: Hbs3CbgnUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:38:09 PM No.507873212
>>507864670 (OP)
Imagine where this number would be if we hadn’t spent the last 80 years giving everything to jews
Anonymous ID: DbKD/3v6United States
6/18/2025, 6:39:04 PM No.507873321
>>507864670 (OP)
lol
lmao
Anonymous ID: P2qxGjEsCanada
6/18/2025, 6:39:16 PM No.507873345
>>507873066
oh well
Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:39:27 PM No.507873368
>>507872843
The continued *new* debt incurred in future deficits of the government(s) spending, yes. They put into the annual budgets a huge portion just to pay the interest. See above^^^
Credit card used to make payments on the credit card

Expansion of credit
infinitely
>credit
Latin credere = to believe
Anonymous ID: a25yuegaFinland
6/18/2025, 6:40:10 PM No.507873448
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>>507864670 (OP)
If you remove all the parasites, from the gibs niggers at bottom to the jewish bankers at the top, all that overhead would vaporize overnight
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Anonymous ID: 3bh5Fh/CUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:42:00 PM No.507873648
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>>507873448
lol who makes graphs like these? how do they even get this type of info? id like a sauce please.
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Anonymous ID: GBffar+OUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:43:11 PM No.507873796
>>507864853
i never voted for private banks and usury, categorically false
Anonymous ID: 3jQTkabnBulgaria
6/18/2025, 6:43:45 PM No.507873848
This graph is wrong, US debt is currently ~120% of GDP, not ~100% of GDP.
The 100% figure ignores part of the debt by only counting publicly held debt, but that's deceptive and isn't done when other countries debt is talked about.
It's like Greece hiding it's debt before the Eurocrysis.
Anonymous ID: zsOaQmk2United States
6/18/2025, 6:45:12 PM No.507874024
It's not about spending money. Credit is created through the loan process. Money is debt, literally. If you want the economy to expand and number to get bigger, you need more debt. It's retarded but it's true. Still trying to work out how we pay interest on a zero sum debt game but I'm sure it'll work out.
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Anonymous ID: S6WD45iDBelgium
6/18/2025, 6:45:18 PM No.507874036
>>507864670 (OP)
this graph is horrible for not adding every year
Anonymous ID: mG/kIy4pCosta Rica
6/18/2025, 6:45:21 PM No.507874044
that center spike looks like the Burj Khalifa
Anonymous ID: 5aWc9vuvUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:47:10 PM No.507874248
>>507866007
The problem with taxes isn't paying taxes.
The problem is that the tax burden placed on the middle class is disproportionate to the amount of money the middle class makes in comparison to the taxes and income of the upper class. They reap the profit making benefits of our infrastructure while only paying a fraction.
This is compounded by the fact that, in a reasonable society, you'd be getting a return for your taxes. Solid infrastructure. Strong safety nets. Medical care. Instead, you vote for people who cut taxes for those at the top even further while diverting the money that is in the system towards the military industrial complex, which does not directly benefit you even a little bit. They drive up large debts doing this due to not making up for the budgetary shortfalls caused by the taxes, increasing debt that, sadly, also reduces the return you get on your tax dollars.
More tax cuts aren't going to solve your problem. They're just going to drive deficits up further so you get even less return than you do now while squeezing the system even harder. We need to shift tax burden upwards, embrace a bit of austerity while we balance the budget and get our debt in order, and then focus on programs that serve average Americans and service to make our dollars go further than putting more money in the pockets of those who are already wealthy.
Anonymous ID: RmhiIOV4Australia
6/18/2025, 6:49:01 PM No.507874448
>>507873066
lol 2 more weeks
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Anonymous ID: Edaa4qafSwitzerland
6/18/2025, 6:50:27 PM No.507874594
>>507864670 (OP)

Why do US care about debt ? You can just bomb anybody who wants to cash in on it?
Trump Rapes Kids ID: LDcHFmO9United States
6/18/2025, 6:51:31 PM No.507874703
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No refunds
Anonymous ID: C74VZpJCUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:52:47 PM No.507874828
>>507864670 (OP)
MAGA voted for this. C'mon, say the line!
Anonymous ID: hszs7m5HCanada
6/18/2025, 6:57:47 PM No.507875347
>>507864670 (OP)
Why don't they just rename the debt as cash. It's just a number at the end.
Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 6:59:44 PM No.507875566
>>507874448
Keep laughing.
Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:02:43 PM No.507875876
>>507874024
>Money is debt
Correct.
see my posts upthread
Everyone itt should watch the documentary '97% Owned'
Anonymous ID: QjXbfO53United States
6/18/2025, 7:06:42 PM No.507876303
>>507872960
Taking money from you and inflation of the money supply both fuck your ability to buy shit
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Anonymous ID: sBHxkqTOUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:10:00 PM No.507876635
How high can the debt to GDP ratio get? It was already at 124% when Trump took over
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Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:13:08 PM No.507876981
>>507872960
>>507876303
Yes correct the *tandem expansion*—see above—of fiscal and monetary policies infinitely, is an inherently inflationary practice that auto-devalues the nation's currency.
Massively increasing 'credit' budgets are by default hurting the nation's citizens and their buying/earning power.
(But they're good for trade deficits: this is one reason for example, Trump even during his first term has been talking about lowering rates and devaluation of the USD)
Anonymous ID: g9vkTcgzUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:13:54 PM No.507877056
>>507873648
>id like a sauce please.
Nigger, the picture has links if you read it
Look it up yourself and verify
Fucking summer fags are lazy as shit
Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:19:04 PM No.507877600
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>>507876635
>How high can the debt to GDP ratio get
Valid question.
Debt-to-GDP is an important metric of all post-World War II economic growth globally.
The 1944 Bretton Woods conference set up the current economic order, with U.S. and its dollar in the lead. But lending and debt became the foundation (see above^^^) for all governments' platforms and spending, while the dollar itself, especially after 1971, was decoupled from metal backing and became fiat. So the entire system now relies upon Debt itself as the guarantor of its worth and confidence, nothing else. The system is backed by *nothing else* but Debt

December 2019 clip, highly prescient:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHQaxd5N-Q
Anonymous ID: rqsSuvwaUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:27:51 PM No.507878607
Mathematically inept here. So other nations have loaned 30 trillion to the US but you also have to pay taxes and just last year it took in almost 5 trillion just in taxes alone. And that's just fed. Know what entity controls every penny? Congress. If it is being spent it's because Congress says so. And congress is reps elected from every state. You have no idea what they spend money on but you continue to give them jobs to spend trillions while you survive on tens of dollars per hour. If it doesn't make sense it's because voters are terminally ignorant. The call is coming from inside the house.
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Anonymous ID: OABMnFnyArgentina
6/18/2025, 7:29:40 PM No.507878800
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>>507864670 (OP)
Anonymous ID: pDH7UbV5Denmark
6/18/2025, 7:30:48 PM No.507878933
>>507864670 (OP)
nice, very impressive
Anonymous ID: gKkuSavRUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:30:49 PM No.507878935
>>507864670 (OP)
with jews, you lose
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Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:36:14 PM No.507879525
>>507878607
Anon, read my posts upthread. Congress is the holder of purse strings, they decide what and how much is spent.
The global economy—and U.S. economy—is a Debt-Based Economic Model. It is totally dependent upon infinite expansion of Debt, to keep from implosion. It needs to keep expanding
It is the *tandem expansion* of fiscal(gov spending) and monetary(treasury+central bank "moneyprinting") that keeps producing more and more and more Debt.

For example, that's why the latest Congress budget is so controversial. The new administration campaigned 2024 and entered office on a 'cut spending' platform, brought in DOGE (which never went after the Pentagon and didn't bring substantial savings in comparison to $2T magnitude) and yet, here we are again with Congress having approved another two trillion dollar package.
Yes it is Congress, our representatives there that approve all the spending which is why it's crucial to get account-wise representatives into Congress rather than the ones which are going to simply 'play team sports' and go along with the uniparty credit card.
Anonymous ID: t2CNA7WOGermany
6/18/2025, 7:38:45 PM No.507879798
>>507878935
>500 dollar controller
>400 dollar PC
>300 dollar phone
>150 dollar keyboard mouse

I'm really interested in seeing how a single person manages to get all their PC and console gaming done for 950 a month.
Anonymous ID: 9AHpB5hcUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:42:22 PM No.507880176
>>507864670 (OP)
>QUIT FUCKING SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY
Spending unlimited money has always been a privilege of having the biggest gang of thugs. That's just how it goes and it makes perfect sense, especially since no one is strong enough to make you pay your debts in anything but more fiat. Why would you NOT do it if you can?
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Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 7:57:52 PM No.507881929
>>507880176
>biggest gang of thugs
Are the central banks, anon.
We are their slaves
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6/18/2025, 8:11:40 PM No.507883352
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>>507864670 (OP)
Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:12:13 PM No.507883408
Catalog
Anonymous ID: G5ODtqENGreece
6/18/2025, 8:13:38 PM No.507883556
>>507866205
Who holds the debt?
Anonymous ID: G5ODtqENGreece
6/18/2025, 8:17:26 PM No.507883949
>>507867298
Why you were brainwashed in 2015 and spammed us to pay denbts? I have been banned on 4chan once with the reason asking for money (jannies satire). Now that the jew dick is up your ass too you wake up already?
Anonymous ID: GtAzUwflUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:24:13 PM No.507884665
>>507864670 (OP)
Debt doesn't come from spending money, it comes from printing money. This is what happens when you let a private corporation owned by jews with no government oversight control your money printers.
Anonymous ID: PHpmc8gvUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:25:42 PM No.507884823
>>507864670 (OP)
no. wtf the decepticons gonna do? they are all in, full parasite, cant separate wi/o dying.


spend MOAR
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Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:34:44 PM No.507885777
>>507884823
>spend MOAR
Yes because it is a Debt-Based Economic Model that is (after the 1970s) globally Financialized.
It is built, founded upon, constructed with *speculative debt instruments*.
See my upthread posts
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Anonymous ID: iLSCTVDsUnited States
6/18/2025, 8:40:35 PM No.507886397
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>>507884823
>>507885777
>spend
Central banks keep us all enslaved in this manner. Because the system *requires* that spending and budgets continually and infinitely expand/grow, we become permanently indebted.

The Money Deluge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6m49vNjEGs
everyone itt needs to watch this short documentary
Anonymous ID: motfXapSSpain
6/18/2025, 8:47:42 PM No.507887192
>>507864670 (OP)
weeeee