If America declared war in Iran, they would have a shock and awe campaign played on everyone’s televisions and social media algorithms. Everyone would be amazed at the decisive and immediate defeat of Iran. After this short celebratory period, US would send in troops where they would then be cut off from the world. Iran’s terrain alone provides Iranian soldiers with the capability to entrap US soldiers behind enemy lines. Supply lines would be cut off, and air supply missions would be a very dangerous endeavor every single time. Many helicopters would be shot down from the ground, despite American air superiority. Just like it was in Afghanistan and Iraq.

When this phase of the war begins, it will have to become a forever war because the Iranians will not allow safe passage for American troop retrieval. America will destroy Iran, much in the same way they destroyed Iraq in 2003-2011. Who benefits most with Iran being utterly destroyed and American being entrapped in another forever war that accomplished nothing? Israel.

At this point, Trump’s only card is to say he will nuke Iran if they do not allow American troops to leave. And then what happens? Iran seeks out Putin’s guidance. Putin then easily tells trump that if they nuke Iran, he nukes the US.

America cannot win a war in Iran. The only outcome benefits Israel and potentially Russia. US will get embarrassed globally, will sink trillions of dollars, and who knows how many will die.

My main concern right now is that Trump is a TV personality, not a war strategist. His only concern is create the illusory image that he is the strong tough man. His shock and awe campaign at the start of the conflict will further boost his popularity and it will drag him further down.

>>507996152 (OP)
bump

Yes. I’ve noticed that threads that attempt to inspire conversation get ignored while tranny and BBC threads get bumped hundreds of times. Yes, I do find that suspicious.

>>507997170
Fake quote or not, this is effectively the strategy here. With Iran out of the picture, who but Israel is left to dominate the Middle East?

Another massive speed bump for an American war with Iran is resources. What do you need to make ammunition? Manufacturing plants. Years ago, the US shipped off all manufacturing capabilities to who? China. China can build 232 ships every 1 ship america can build.

Sunken cost fallacy becomes the only motivating factor remaining for US’s involvement. Trillions of dollars, every last resource, and to gain what? Absolutely nothing.

If trump pulls the trigger on this war, he may effectively end the US as a state on the global stage. It may trigger events that lead to a Chinese-American war, that america cannot win without the use of its nuclear arsenal. And with that, almost assuredly, is MAD.

>>507997955
I know Trump is stupid enough to start this war, all I can do is hope that there are people surrounding him smart enough to tell him not to.

I SERIOUSLY doubt that, however.

>>507996152 (OP)
this isn't a "boots on the ground" war at this point, he just needs to decide if he wants to chuck a few bunker busters at the ayatollah to eliminate the power structure. If that happens the country will fold

>>507996152 (OP)
the iranians will rally around the american troops and help them defeat the handful of islamists that remain. if it worked in iraq, why wouldn't it work in iran?

>>507998378
That’s correct. But the potential for a boots on the ground war is there. Especially when it’s Donald Trump’s ego at the helm.

>>507998622
Iranians despise Americans. They have absolutely zero motive to want to be “liberated” by the US. The generation that watched the US obliterate their neighbor, Iraq, are still alive. Even the US isn’t manufacturing this horseshit propoganda. Everyone knows US “liberation” = total destruction of your state and then removal of occupancy. And maybe everyone does not know that. But Iranians sure as hell do.

>>507999232
but what if the US does their best to win their hearts and minds? iranians are better educated and more fluent in english than iraqians. maybe iraq just wasn't ready for liberation.

There is no war to win.

>>507996152 (OP)
no this war is an ezpz win actually, they just need to stoke the revolutionary fire

problem is it can go either way because america wants to use their fancy weapons and kill people, its what lost them iraq which formed a seething anti-american government for the next 2 decades after like 2 trillion spent on int

>>507998856
well the potential for soldiers to invade iran would only come if the intel for the power people's location is wrong or the bombs fail to eliminate their targets. Maybe then they will go full kamikaze, but really with total air superiority could just bomb the shit out of them with out soldiers having to zerg rush them

>>507999727
Hard to win the hearts and minds of a population you’ve invaded and destroyed. Just ask Ukraine how it feels about that.

>>507999842
I hope it stays that way. As much as everyone here marvels at happenings, the consequences are unimaginable.

>>507999870
All we can do is hope that target bombing is as far as this goes. A soldier invasion could genuinely cause the collapse of the US. Considering just about every American politician is in the pocket of AIPAC, I don’t like our odds.

>>507996985
that's why I urge other anons to bump effort posting threads even if they don't have much to contribute to them like myself

>>507996152 (OP)
>US would send in troops
We would continue to bomb them until there was not 1 square mile of land that had running water, electricity, or two bricks stacked on top of eachother. Conventional bombing alone will never work, but a genocide campaign from the air can not be countered without air superiority.

>>508000093
We're interested in regional security for all involved. I am concerned that Israel knee jerked an initial attack but this does come with valid reason.

>>508000454
Doing the lord’s work, fren

>>507998378
>If that happens the country will fold
Yeah and someone even worse will take control. Best option would just be to tell Israel to fuck off.

>>507998378
doubt it China, would most likely get involved at that point

Iranians are not rising up like the good goy ones in California. They are lining up behind the Islamic government and vowing to fight. These people’s culture is entirely based around resistance to invaders. They might like the west, but they will not accept occupation by crayon eating retards and their hook nosed demon masters.

>>508000862
>Best option would just be to tell Israel to fuck off
oh i absolute agree with this sentiment, they started this shit show and so they should work to end it themselves

>>508000604
Yes but with a land invasion supply lines are effectively cut off. US themselves become a security issue. As I stated in the OP, Israel would be the only beneficiary of a land war. What would Iran want out of such a war? To kill as many Americans as possible. Suicide bombers become a valid strategy against resupply convoys. What does Israel want? For US military supremacy to be diminished in the Middle East, and Iran to be toppled. Israel would then control the entire Middle East. What does Saudi Arabia want? Exactly the same as Israel.

>>508001405
There would be no land invasion. It would simply be a 20 year air campaign of bombing anything with a heat signature.

>>508001405
Why do the Saudi’s want Israel to become the dominant force in the Middle East? It’s easy to blow up Saudi Arabia. They’re entirely country is filled to the brim with oil fields. Remember Desert Storm? America lit every field ablaze in their path of total destruction. Israel - Saudi alliance is fundamental for both of their futures.

>>508001638
Maybe? But there’s no way to know that. Again I reiterate that the determination of outcomes is at the mercy of Trump’s ego, and the influence of the massive Israel lobby. I don’t know what will happen. I’m conjecturing what can happen.

>>507996152 (OP)
No shit we can’t

Furthermore, I encourage anons here to screenshot, archive, and share this thread.

>>507998378
>>508001638
Israel is out of interceptors and Iran is still shooting missiles. Bombing Iran obviously won't solve anything, which is why Trump is gearing up for a ground invasion.

You guys don't realize how close Israel is to complete ruin because of kike lies, but it's almost over. How long you think they can last?

>>508001405
The last 30 years the Ayatollah has been aggressively trying to destroy Israel and Saudi Arabia.

If you all got rid of the Ayatollah, that would be a positive on all fronts.

Israel doesn't control the entire Middle East, they just want to control their borders and their safety

>>508001659

You're dragging one of the most wealthy countries in the world into this. This oil jealousy has to stop.

>>508002509
That would be a discussion for someone else, about something else. I’m here simply to discuss the hypothetical motives and outcomes of an American interventional land invasion and how it would benefit Israel and Saudi Arabia, whilst destroying America. The tentacles of consequences reach global proportions, most of which seem to lead to a Israeli/Chinese/Russian dominance

>>508002214
>Israel is out of interceptors
(re)start the lend-lease program for them

>>508002509
>they just want to control their [infinitely expanding] borders of Israel, also Ukraine, also Argentina, also USA, also the world.

I mean who you foolin, nigger?

>>508002610
I wasn’t actually saying it’s because of America’s interest in their oil. I was saying that because of their oil fields, their country is easily destroyed -since it is literally sitting atop lakes of combustible liquid

>>508002813
You're tagging Israel in with China and Russia and that's a fallacy.

Russia is in the background. Wanting to take over the world oil industry because he's invaded himself poor.

>>508002958
Obviously not you, faggot. You can hate israel all you want to, it makes you retarded and stupid all day long. Fuck you to hell.

So Iran/Russia is planning to bomb Saudi Arabia.

Thanks for the tip.

>>508002865
Can't. America shot its load in Ukraine and China outproduces them. In fact, China has already sent 3 cargo planes to Iran while Israel larps about controlling their airspace. You are eating up kike lies and don't understand it's over. Only move left is to kill 100,000+ mutts from America, UK, Poland, Australia, France, etc.

>>507996152 (OP)
We could, but why bother?

>>508003361
Btw Kike jannies trying to silence me. Resetting my post timer.

>>508003361
Proof? Russian opinion?

>>508003092
I’ll let the readers decide if what you’re saying is what i said. Because I don’t believe it is. That being said, I can see you’re clearly only here to try and steer the narrative away to benefit Israel, which I also find suspicious. This is all hypothetical and theory.

Or a Turk?

>>508003620
Oh yes, hypothetical and theory. -_-

>>507996152 (OP)
The idea that Russia has any working nukes left is almost as much of a joke as imagining they could strike Europe or the US with one

>>508003564
Iran is still surrounded.

.......And may be starting a war with Saudi Arabia and Israel.

This thread was informative.

I don't think the US can win simply because we'd be going in without galvanizing our base.
Afghanistan happened because everyone was furious over 9/11. Iran is happening for no reason at all. I'm not in the army but I can't imagine being all that motivated when it feels like I'm risking my life for nothing.
The lack of political capital also means the US population is much less willing as a whole to swallow losses. Imagine if gas jumps to $6/gal. Who the fuck wants to eat those kinds of costs?

>>507996152 (OP)
Even George W. Bush declined an offer from Israel to attack Iran. Let's see if Trump is dumber than Dubyah or not.

The question is how badly can israel hurt trump if he decides to not commit resources against iran?

>>508004378
I guess they can always shoot him again.

After US strikes Iran, a EMP weapon goes off paralysis electronics and everything comes to a standstill, chaos breaks out all over US.

It's going down soon

>>507996152 (OP)
Yup. It’s a lot easier to take over a country the occupy one where nobody wants you there. Hell, how the US become a courtney by throwing out the occupiers

>>507998622
It didn’t work in Iraq. Iraq is more unstable then its ever been

>>508000862
>Yeah and someone even worse will take control
Nope...

>>508002214
>Israel is out of interceptors

Nope, this was debunked many time and not only in this years.
> and Iran is still shooting missiles.
No launched thing hit Israel so this untrue or a mispresentation

>Bombing Iran obviously won't solve anything, which is why Trump is gearing up for a ground invasion

No proofs of an ground involvement, and actually it's the same for an US bombing

>You guys don't realize how close Israel is to complete ruin because of kike lies, but it's almost over. How long you think they can last?
Dude, cool it with the antisemitics nonsense.

Come here and tell in which war Israel and the US fought together?
Number is 0

>>508007358
>Come here and tell in which war Israel and the US fought together?
Yeah, because they are parasites and cowards

>>508007358
Loooooooool

>kike jannies at it again.
They want to lie with impunity

Nigger, Yidsraelis are still getting lit up so hard they made filming illegal. Bye bye, yids!

>>507996152 (OP)
A forever war in Iran would be so fucking bad. You thought IEDs were bad, now they have suicide drones like in Ukraine. We will lose a ton of soldiers

>>508007619
1981, Osirak (Israel, not the US)
2006, galilea 2 (Israel, not the US)
1988, mantis (the US, not Israël)
20X, Soleimani (the US, not Israel)
1982, peace of galilea (Israel, not the US)
20XX, Saddam (the US, not Israel)
1983 Grenada (the US, not Israel or the UK)

So US dudes aren't being "drafted to fight for Israel" which would not be bad

>>508007749
>Nigger, Yidsraelis are still getting lit up so hard they made filming illegal

But in time of war of risk of war, it's perfectly and reasonable legal and ethical to put restriction like this; you weren't aware of this basic fact?

Poor you, but there many people in Israël living normally, there aren't "getting lit up" despote your delusion

>>507996152 (OP)
coup is best option

>>508008202
20 years of warfare, fought in the backyard of our "greatest ally" - largely on their behalf. Four tours in two countries and I didn't see one IDF kike, ever.
>"drafted to fight for Israel"
Dude if you draft zoomers and send them to Israel they are going to shoot Israelis

>>508003935
This is actually another point I wanted to make, but work got busy. You’re absolutely correct. The Iranians would be comparable to the Vietnamese, afghans, and Iraqis. (And currently the Ukrainians). They’d be willing to die for their country. Meanwhile, Americans want nothing to do with this war. After the first wave of land troops were deployed, it would be near impossible to conjure up an army large of enough to sustain what’s left -let alone thrive.

>>508008459
>>508007749 #
*But in time of war or of risk of war*
*there are many people in Israel living normally, there aren't "getting lit up" despite your delusion*

>>507996152 (OP)
>If America declared war in Iran
Stopped reading here. Mental midget post

>>507996985
Your thread is retarded. Thats why no one takes it seriously. Just another shitskins are stronk thread. They arent strong. Your people are very weak.

>>508008533
>20 years of warfare, fought in the backyard of our "greatest ally" - largely on their behalf. Four tours in two countries and I didn't see one IDF kike, ever.

Dude, tell me which fight and war i listed was for Israel, and vice-versa...

>>507998856
Not really. At most the IDF could do some raids. But not an Iraq style full scale invasion.
>Trump's ego
I doubt he wants to be responsible for a quagmire. He wants easy wins

>>507996152 (OP)
Its ok, nothing ever happens

>>508008689
>lying yid says telaviv isn't getting lit up
Kek. Can't wait for more videos. Love seeing that ratnest obliterated.

>>508008910
> he wants to be responsible for a quagmire

Lol; US attacking Iran would be a quagmire at all.

>>508009027
Dude, you can book an travel Israel right now; there are living normally..

>>508009090
>>508008910 #
> he wants to be responsible for a quagmire

Lol; US attacking Iran wouldn't be a quagmire at all.
Fucking typo

>>507996152 (OP)

You don't need to invade a country in order to destroy it. You just need to siege it out and starve it. Highly defensive mountainous chokepoints work both ways.
The USA could easily establish air superiority over Iran and disable it's air force/missile systems/communications installations.
Then they would just sit and wait until Iran either submits or allows itself to devolve back to the medieval era.

The problem with this strategy is it would cause immense human suffering in Iran and damage the USAs reputation on the world stage.

>>508009267
>>508009202
>>508009090

you are acting like a hysterical woman

>>508009427
He's right tho. One building took some minor damage today. Thats not tel aviv being wrecked.

>>508009305
I don’t disagree. I was speculating what COULD happen, IF American did escalate to a land invasion. At no point did I say they would. I just wanted to share a potential situation that COULD occur and therefore attempt to reason with those that want a full blown war with Iran, by showcasing how disastrous it COULD be. Too many people here read my posts and assumed I’m saying all of this will happen. Read comprehension here is lower than I anticipated, and I find that demoralizing. But I don’t know where else to go for anonymous intellectual conversation online

>>508008713
Hi Tony.

>>508009651
If american armies invaded iran the war would last about 6 weeks. The only thing that make it last that long would be the the limits of logistics. Your posts arent intellectual so dont expect them to be taken seriously when you post the most retarded things possible.

>>508009267
Not if it's limited to airstrikes. But OP is talking about boots on the ground

>>508009932
Your contributions are as follows:
>your thread is retarded
>a building blew up today
>your thread is retarded
Fascinating stuff

>>508006872
"It didn’t work in Iraq"

No, it's did work, but where my comments debunking the nonsense about the israeli being out of AD?!

Did the mods delete them?

>>508010089
And your contributions are hurr durr shitskins can totally wreck america in battle. You are delusional anon.

>>508010367
Okay. I’ll let the readers decide. We have nothing left to discuss

>>507996152 (OP)
It's not about winning. It's about doing israel's bidding, funneling money to the MIC and sending a bunch of young White men to die. The only reason America hasn't officially joined is because they're still trying to come up with a way to sell it to the American public

>>508010517
I am the reader. Your cope was unconvincing brown fanfiction with no basis in reality.

>>507999842
Fuck Israel

>>508000604
Fuck Israel

>>508002509
Fuck Israel

>>508002610
Fuck Israel

>>508003092
Fuck Israel

>>508003200
Fuck Israel

>>508003331
Fuck Israel

>>508003564
Fuck Israel

>>508003637
Fuck Israel

>>508003703
Fuck Israel

>>508003828
Fuck Israel

>>508011574
>>508011537
>>508011502
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>>508011034
A man of taste and sophistication

I JUST WANNA GRILL

Bump

>>507997955
>If trump pulls the trigger on this war, he may effectively end the US as a state on the global stage. It may trigger events that lead to a Chinese-American war, that america cannot win without the use of its nuclear arsenal. And with that, almost assuredly, is MAD.
Stop, I can only get so erect

>>508010667
If you would like to give a reason why you think I’m wrong, you are welcome to. Until then, I’m going to assume your position is either purely hubris, (you don’t believe America is capable of losing any war because of a lifetime of propaganda), or that you do not have a position because you are simply a reactionary infant and are only capable of disagreeing with ideas you’ve just read because you don’t have ideas of your own. So which is it