Anonymous
ID: mgneSPAX
6/19/2025, 9:11:21 PM No.508010218
man argues it doesnt matter there is no AGI because LLM networks are here right now and they make profit on stocks
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/15/viral-apple-reasoning-paper/
https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/seven-replies-to-the-viral-apple
I thought this paper got way more attention than it warranted -- the title "The Illusion of Thinking" captured the attention of the "LLMs are over-hyped junk" crowd. I saw enough well-reasoned rebuttals that I didn't feel it worth digging into.
And now, notable LLM skeptic Gary Marcus has saved me some time by aggregating the best of those rebuttals together in one place!
And therein lies my disagreement.
>I'm not interested in whether or not LLMs are the "road to AGI".
I continue to care only about whether they have useful applications today, once you've understood their limitations.
Reasoning LLMs are a relatively new and interesting twist on the genre. They are demonstrably able to solve a whole bunch of problems that previous LLMs were unable to handle, hence why we've seen a rush of new models from OpenAI and Anthropic and Gemini and DeepSeek and Qwen and Mistral.
They get even more interesting when you combine them with tools.
They're already useful to me today, whether or not they can reliably solve the Tower of Hanoi or River Crossing puzzles.
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jun/15/viral-apple-reasoning-paper/
https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/seven-replies-to-the-viral-apple
I thought this paper got way more attention than it warranted -- the title "The Illusion of Thinking" captured the attention of the "LLMs are over-hyped junk" crowd. I saw enough well-reasoned rebuttals that I didn't feel it worth digging into.
And now, notable LLM skeptic Gary Marcus has saved me some time by aggregating the best of those rebuttals together in one place!
And therein lies my disagreement.
>I'm not interested in whether or not LLMs are the "road to AGI".
I continue to care only about whether they have useful applications today, once you've understood their limitations.
Reasoning LLMs are a relatively new and interesting twist on the genre. They are demonstrably able to solve a whole bunch of problems that previous LLMs were unable to handle, hence why we've seen a rush of new models from OpenAI and Anthropic and Gemini and DeepSeek and Qwen and Mistral.
They get even more interesting when you combine them with tools.
They're already useful to me today, whether or not they can reliably solve the Tower of Hanoi or River Crossing puzzles.
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