Was the holocaust logistically possible within that timeframe and technology available?

>>508019579 (OP)
no it was not.

Nah. It was probablylike 600 people and Jews wanted to dramatize it.

>>508019579 (OP)
doubt it desu

>>508019579 (OP)
No absolutely not. Because roughly 80% of the holocaust is meant to have happened between just 1941-1943.
You don't even get the full period of the war to do it all. It all allegedly happened in roughly 2 years.

>>508019579 (OP)
Why not just shoot them while they're on the train and dump them into a mass grave right next to the tracks?

>>508019579 (OP)
Hard no.

>>508019990
dont question it goy

>>508019579 (OP)
It doesn't take much technology or time to starve people to death in a concentration camp, intended or not
>gas chambers
who cares when your inmates are barely alive after 2 weeks of no food and barely any water?

>>508019579 (OP)
>Be me, camp commander at Auschwitz
>Himmler calling
>Anon, we need to get rid of 1 million jews
>No worries, Heini, I'll get right on it
>Thanks, anon.
>Get_a_gatling_gun_with_psycho_SS_operator.jpg
>Let_jews_dig_a_massive_hole_in_the_ground.png
>Get_the_job_done_in_a_month.webp

6 million is physically impossible

>>508020351
it was 6 million jews burned crematoriums and anything less is anti semitic

>>508020351
Ok but that's not how the holocaust is alleged to have happened. 6 million weren't starved to death in a mass famine. The majority were meant to have been gassed.
>gas chambers
>who cares
Considering its the backbone or the entire historical narrative its important. Sure they could have just starved them all to death in theory but that's not what is alleged.

>>508019579 (OP)
>Was the holocaust logistically possible within that timeframe and technology available?
Do you mean as a matter of "historical facts" or as a matter of a "narrative product"? Mainstream historians (using "historical facts") have more or less refuted the "holocaust" as a "narrative product". They just don't go out of their way to spell it out for you, because they'd lose their jobs. Let me spell it for you. If you follow the arguments of the so-called "Functionalist" side of the debate with a clear head (be careful with the so-called "revisionists" as there is a lot of well-poisoning over there), you should be able to see that according to the definition the "holocaust", did not happen. But the "holocaust" (like anti-Semitism) has a so-called "working definition", so be careful. Jews are sneaky little fellas.

>>508019579 (OP)
No lol

Yeah it was, most of people who deny Holocaust don’t even know the official narrative.
For example
>>508019990
Most were shot. They stopped shooting them as shooting hundreds of thousands of women and children isn’t an easy thing to do, morale-wise.

They often say “6 million gassed” and then run dumb calculations but in Auschwitz-Birkenau 1.1 million were killed, not all were gassed.
Some were used as slave labour and perished, some were killed instantly.

It was a continent-wide event. Jews might’ve lied about some aspects, but millions noticed the effects of it, thousands testified about it, and so on.

Almost no Nazis denied it. They just denied they had a part in it.

Also, why were camps in the east? Because most of Jews were there, and it’s easier to kill them in Poland or Belarus or Ukraine, rather than ship them to Germany. On top of that, Nazis didn’t advertise what they were doing.
But everyone knew it nonetheless, it involved so many people.

Denying Holocaust is the historical equivalent of flatearthism. History is more than cool narratives that suit you.

>>508019579 (OP)
>with the technology available
We lost that technology. Like the rockets to go to the moon. Nazi scientists were on another level.

>>508019579 (OP)
Of course it was possible, far more Soviet citizens perished at German hands than jews

>>508019579 (OP)
>golly gee why would Jews lie about the thing
>survive by manipulating, stealing, murdering, everyone not them for thousands of years
no, not a chance, didn't happen as presented although it should have.

>>508019579 (OP)
Niggers had a similar kill rate with just machetes

>>508020820
>Yeah it was,
Except no, it wasn't.

>>508019579 (OP)

we should try to do it again to see if we can

>is it possible that 6 million people died during a war that killed 80 million people?

>>508019579 (OP)
fuck no

>>508019579 (OP)
no.

>>508020844
yeah, when you're "no step back or we shoot you also" while Germans are laying down heavy fire from an MG, turns out you get to kill lots of your own on top of the standard, fuck slavs, death to all slavs, no one respects people that don't respect themselves, all slavs are subhuman niggers...

>>508020820
>Almost no Nazis denied it.
At Nuremberg trials they weren't allowed to deny it happening as part of any defence. It was already taken as conclusive that it happened and so the only defence allowed was their personal involvement.

>>508019579 (OP)
yes but the 6m was ukrainian atrocity propaganda against the tsar, the soap ibel confirmed british WWI atrocity propaganda "german corpse factories" and unconfirmed in the british archive it is claimed they did the gaschamber libel too

>>508019579 (OP)
It's a job for Iran to find out.

>>508019579 (OP)
>on today's episode...

>>508021199
london cage is no open that they forced false confessions by torture to warcrimes from german POW on industrial scale, hoess affidativ pressed by torture and coercion too as it confessed to gassing a million too many

Just ask yourself what you would've done at the camps and you have your answer. We will never forget the six billion who tragically lost their lives

>>508021050
Spectacular argument but you fail to explain why it wasn’t possible. As this Dutch guy said, Germans directly or indirectly murdered twice as many Soviet non-Jewish civilians.
Do you understand you’re denying an event that was witnessed by millions of Europeans? People literally saw Germans at least taking Jews somewhere, if they didn’t kill them on the spot.
What happened to all those Jews?
I have no love for them but Holocaust denial is moronic as fuck, it’s the flat Earth equivalent of historical discussions.

>>508019579 (OP)
I can't answer that question as an EU citizen. It is an illegal subject to discuss in the EU.

>>508020820
Most were shot.
About half according to official narratives. The problem is, there's very little physical proof of that level of mass murder in the East, in terms of mass graves or even nazi testimonies
>shooting hundreds of thousands of women and children isn’t an easy thing to do, morale-wise
Jews are fine doing this today though, kek
> everyone knew it nonetheless,
Lies

>>508019990
That doesn't make a good movie plot. There's no suspense, no drama, no story

>>508021199
I love how Hitlerboos paint Nuremberg Trials as some epic hell-on-Earth orgy of torture and murder even though most of them got away free and even occupied high positions in post-war Germany.

Even SS guys like Peiper who were executing POWs and civilians left and right got away with little punishment. He was thankfully punished by some French commies later on.

Americans basically forgave most of them as they needed them against Soviets.

>>508021583
There isn’t “very little physical evidence”, it’s just that it wasn’t advertised as Soviet Union and Stalin absolutely gave zero fucks about dead Jews and thought their victimhood put Slavic victims in second row.
Same case for Poland.
Holocaust cult and milking that you see in West doesn’t exist in Eastern Europe/Russia.

>>508021762
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/nov/12/secondworldwar.world
>The London Cage was used partly as a torture centre, inside which large numbers of German officers and soldiers were subjected to systematic ill-treatment. In total 3,573 men passed through the Cage, and more than 1,000 were persuaded to give statements about war crimes. The brutality did not end with the war, moreover: a number of German civilians joined the servicemen who were interrogated there up to 1948.

>>508019941
And it really falls apart when you start looking at the insane narratives of the Jews about the Aktion Rinehardt camps, where they’ve shifted all the millions who were originally stated to have died at Auschwitz when that narrative fell apart.

>>508019579 (OP)
why not? they killed four times as many soviets in less time.

>starving millions of soviet POWs in open field camps is ok, it just happened after barbarossa situation *shrugs*
<but we can't do the same to jews, we need advanced logistics and chambers
t. nazi administration according to official history

>>508022031
>there's evidence but Soviets hid it
Right. So there's no evidence
Even Snyder in Bloodlands all but admits he's making up numbers (on shootings in the East) just so they corroborate official 'history's' victim counts
>Soviet Union and Stalin absolutely gave zero fucks about dead Jews
The alleged extermination camps were all 'discovered' by soviets, everything we know about them comes from soviet historiographers

>>508022077
No one tortured bigwigs and none of them denied Holocaust, they just tried to save their own skin by feigning non-involvement.
And this is some bizarre Jewish thing you people do, do you have any idea what Germans did during WW2, not just to Jews? Behaving like Mongols in 20th century is bound to have nasty side effects like those when you get BTFO.

>>508022882
They didn’t hide it, they just didn’t bother advertising it so you don’t know much about it, and Western narrative is more focused on Auschwitz and shit like that, no one’s heard of Babi Yar and other places.
>discovered by Soviets
And visited by others.
I have no idea why you believe Stalin invented Holocaust. He was actually quite anti-Semitic and pretty much almost exterminated Jews in CP well before the war.

>>508022953
>No one tortured bigwigs
you do not get it, the allies made up for the soviet show trial judges in reputation, bong torture facility means the entire thing is prima facie irredeemable corrupt

>>508019579 (OP)
Why must you guys always belittle my country's achievements?

>>508022882
Even more comes from Jewish “eyewitness testimony.” Testimony which is highly contradictory, often ridiculous, and in many cases violates physical laws. Yet for some reason it all has to be taken at face value no matter how ludicrous.

>>508019579 (OP)
>Israelis commit mass exodus to cyprus
>Cyprus-anon starts questioning the holocaust

>>508023706
Pottery

>>508023176
>And visited by others
Not all of them were investigated by Americans. You know that.

>>508023377
It was victors justice but that’s irrelevant to this topic.
All your arguments hinge on “Allied powers in WW2 weren’t ultimate good guys like propaganda said so Nazis good”.
No. British let people starve in India. Soviets did their fair share of war crimes and non-war crimes. Bombing of German cities was objectively a war crime, British aimed for civilians.
That doesn’t mean Holocaust didn’t happen. You reject one simplistic narrative and adopt another where Nazis were ultimate good and never harmed a bee. It’s all so tiring.

>>508019579 (OP)
Yes, but not by also waging a global war at the same time.
The numbers were highly inflated and a lot of evidence was falsified and testimonies forced through torture to blow the event out of proportion.
Mind you, the holocaust still happened, but 6 gorillion and jews being sent to the oven 24/7 all day every day is a homosexual fable.

>>508019579 (OP)
No

>>508019579 (OP)
Yes

6 million transported to camps, some prisoners inexplicably transported to multiple camps. They don't all just get the gaschamber bus either, they had to be rounded up and processed to be taken to stations and put on the trains.

On arrival half were sent to be instantly gassed and cremated, the fuel and gas was therefore a high priority to have in stock at all times to meed the demands of 3 million instant removals. After being gassed and cremated, the bones and ash would need to be disposed of. Millions upon millions of bones and ash transported back out of camps and disposed of. All in 3 years while the germans were fighting a war on 3 fronts. Unfortunately they didn't document any of this so you'll just have to guess how they managed it

>>508023906
No one claims 6 million Jews were sent to the oven. Germans pulled tens of thousands of troops to record war movies in 1944.
Nazis weren’t anime heroes like you imagine. They were a bunch of dumb fanatics, opportunists, with an occasional competent guy, all working in a chaotic system intentionally made chaotic so Hitler held ultimate power.
They sabotaged their war effort on so many occasions, wasting resources on killing Jews is one of the less idiotic moves considering their ideology.

>>508020820
>History is more than cool narratives that suit you.
It's not though. It's looking for patterns in the clouds. The meaning can vary from person to person, and from time to time, place and culture to culture. And your ignorance of the particulars is preciously how the jews sell their narrative. The "evils" of the NSDAP are well-documented.

For example, According to the 717th Infantry Division's own records, 1,736 men and 19 women from the city and its outskirts were executed in Kraljevo (677 of those are thought to be civilians). Yea, that's bad.

But like the jews remind us, "everything the NSDAP did was legal". So the idea that they'd be afraid to document these things because they'd be used as evidence of "war crimes" against them doesn't make any sense.

>Twenty members of the 717th Infantry Division were later conferred Iron Crosses for their role in the killings.

Add in the "fog of war" and things get even more complicated, but no one here with a soul would argue that the Kalavryta massacre was "good". They're simply say that it's not uniquely evil, and yea, war is hell.

>>508024213
Oh I know, I am not defending nazis. The opposite.
If anything I hate kikes specifically because they behave exactly like nazis nowadays.

>>508024185
Once again no one claims 6 million Jews were gassed. In fact most weren’t killed by gas. Most were shot or starved or died of disease.
You’re denying something that isn’t claimed by anyone. Anyone being historians, just cause some Jews lied post-war or exaggerated doesn’t mean anything as that’s not the official story anywhere.

>>508024274
Those shooting were in response to resistance activity so that was “legal”.
Holocaust wasn’t legal. But they still documented it. You gotta document shit considering the scale of the operation. They just destroyed lot of evidence as they obviously didn’t want to advertise they were industrially exterminating people. They knew what they were doing is morally wrong. Most of them weren’t psychopaths or robots.

>>508024185
https://www.jta.org/archive/russia-helped-1750000-jews-to-escape-nazis-says-james-n-rosenberg
>Emphasizing that he based his estimate of those saved on facts gathered by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Mr. Rosenberg quoted the organization’s journal as reporting that “of some 1,750,000 Jews who succeeded in escaping the Axis since the outbreak of hostilities, about 1,600,000 were evacuated by the Soviet Government from Eastern Poland and subsequently occupied Soviet territory and transported far into the Russian interior and beyond the Urals. About 150,000 others managed to reach Palestine, the United States, and other countries beyond the seas.”
A 1943 speech during the reception given at the Astor Hotel to Solomon Mikhoels and Itzik Feffer, the Jewish cultural delegation from Russia. The reception was attended by several hundred representatives of various Jewish organizations.
From their own mouths.

>>508024362
hoess affidativ confessed to gassing 2.4millon at auschwitz

>>508024356
Don’t forget, kikes are from Germany and spoke German until they adopted the Hebrew LARP.
Very similar mentality.

>>508019579 (OP)
No but it is in 2025

>>508024783
And that number was later revised in accordance with the available evidence.

>>508019579 (OP)
In 100 years, they'll laugh at us for believing in such nonsense

>>508024896
the evidence got destroyed and the gassed never entered the records the confession is the best evidence we have

>>508024673
Then where is the documentation of it? Something would have survived. There are literal warehouses in Germany full of boxes of documents created by the Nazis. Yet no one has ever found something that can definitively prove that anything of the sort happened.
The Holohoax community falls back on bullshit like “They just all knew.”
There are no letters from soldiers in the camps to their families saying, “We gassed ten thousand more Kike rats today, Katje. It was glorious!”
There’s absofuckinglutely nothing.

>>508025246
There’s literally shit like orders for ovens.
I have no idea who told you there’s no paper evidence. What do you expect me to do, post tens of thousands of pages in German here?

>>508023176
>Western narrative is more focused on Auschwitz
Yes, somehow that became the focus of all of WW2, some 20 years after it ended, when Israel needed support, Eichmann was suddenly captured and boomers all had to read the Frank diaries in school
>and shit like that, no one’s heard of Babi Yar
Well, you're obviously not Western
Also Babi Yar even in official narrative was maybe 60-75,000 jews. So to get to 3 million shot requires 40-50 Babi Yars. Where are they?
>Stalin was anti-semitic
Kek, no, you fell for the meme. Stalin had jews all over his inner circle
He just became paranoid of some jewish doctors after the war, but the genocidal turbokike Kaganovich remained his nr 2 and declared successor all the way up to Stalin's death

>>508019579 (OP)
judging by the low quality of posts in this thread, it's incredibly how ignorant people are on /pol/, it's as if they have never opened a history book

>>508019579 (OP)
I'm not a white guilt cuck, and therefore I don't deny it

>>508025489
no way ovens? the moment I heard that dachau was revised into a non deathcamp you lost me fuck off with your holocaust of the gap argument

Also I can show you letters where Germans write that bombings are God’s punishment for what their troops are doing in the East…but is there any point? I suspect you’ll just say it was forged.
And thus we reach the logical dead-end where you claim macro-historical events are easily forged, but somehow you know what you’re saying isn’t based on forgery.
Believe whatever you want, it’s your choice. But Holocaust happened, and I won’t deny it solely out of political opportunism, cause I don’t like Jews. I can not like Jews and know history. In fact it’s complementary.

>>508025756
>show you letters where Germans write that bombings are God’s punishment for what their troops are doing in the East
Let's see them

>>508024362
Desu the most likely story is outlined by David Irving.
>Auschwitz is a nothingburger
Corrobarates with the statistic that barely more than 100k dead up to the point the Red Cross inspected the camp in 1945.
>gas chambers are fake
Lines up with Leuchter report, Germar Rudolf's research and known testimony that they are reconstructions post war.
>the camps that Holocaust proponents always refer to as death camps were actually just transit camps or regular concentration camps
Auschwitz and Dachau in particular.
>no evidence Hitler ever gave an order to exterminate the jews
No document has ever been produced, even with Irving offering a reward. Holocaust proponents can only cling to his IRL shitposting in Mein Kampf from 20 something years ago and taken out of context.
>but muh Einsatzgruppen
This is real but these jews were armed communist partizans, and it's a war so really they're just salty about getting btfo
>Operation Reinhard
This is the ONLY legitimate line of inquiry. It could very well be that Himmler ran a top secret program to funnel German jews into Poland, kill them quietly and take their gold. Problem is that all the evidence points to Hitler not knowing about it, and they dismantled the would-be death camps so well that they were empty fields with nothing substantial by the time the war was over. So Holocaust proponents interestingly won't touch probably the most clear example of a war crime against them because Hitler can't be blamed and there's no camp left to turn into a temple for their sick religion.

>>508019579 (OP)
No.

>>508025526
>Yes, somehow that became the focus of all of WW2
Jews milking it =\= it didn’t happen.
Not my problem you live in such societies and allowed them to brainwash you.
>Where are they?
All across Eastern Europe.
>Stalin had jews all over his inner circle
He had Kaganovich, Mekhlis wasn’t even inner circle. Who else? Keep in mind USSR had MILLIONS of Jews.

>>508025848
auschwitz and dachau are work camps, the transit camps are claimed to be the rheinhard ones which have almost no facilites madjanek, treblinka and ordruf no way that was a false confession but a third one

>>508025848
>Irving
Guy who sued people for saying he’s a retarded liar and then got BTFO in a suit he started by Evans and other historians? And is now selling Nazi memorabilia?
Top notch source right there. Yeah, ad hominem, I don’t give a fuck.

>>508019579 (OP)
Imagine making death camps with the sole purpose of killing. But instead of killing and stacking dead bodies in the trains, they kept them alive and gave them medical care, food, and entertainment. Kind of a weird death camp, eh?

>>508025489
Of course there were orders for crematoria. People die, and they had tens of thousands of people in these camps. In many cases they died of diseases, and cremation was far more sanitary than burial.
But there were NO crematoria at the Rinehardt camps where the vast majority of the supposed mass executions were carried out. Not according to documents, and not according to the testimony of the supposed Jewish Sonderkommando who survived the war.
And the Sonderkommando testimony from camps like Auschwitz where crematoria did exist is simply laughable. Those people didn’t have the faintest fucking clue what they were talking about, how crematoria worked, what Zyklon-b was or how it worked, etc. It’s riddled with physical impossibilities.
It’s all lies by a bunch of uneducated Eastern European peasants which was taken at face value during the Nuremberg Trials because the goal wasn’t truth or Justice, it was pure revenge.

>>508019579 (OP)
what exactly is the timeframe?

>>508019579 (OP)
Absolutely not, even just the logistics of it alone make zero sense at all. BUT we've all got to just pretend it did or we'll be in lots of trouble and people will call us racist conspiracy theorist Nazis! So, as I said, we all just pretend it was.

>>508019579 (OP)
Lemme see
Hitler had about 6 years...

>>508026310
Threadly reminder that they had to build the camps, build the camps, figure out logistics, log everyone, before they could even start, all whilst fighting the biggest war in human history. I dunno how they found any time at all.

>>508024673
>Holocaust wasn’t legal.
Holocaust isn't a thing that I recognize outside of a biblical Greek word meaning "burnt offering". The jews were deprived of civil rights by law, they were made criminal by law, and separated from the population legally the same way that any other country with a "criminal" code would do. Any jew that remained in NSDAP Germany did so under that contract and had plenty of time to leave and we certainly not lacking the resources to do so. During the war POW camps were established with the same mindset and legal framework.

>They just destroyed lot of evidence
Again, explain how it is possible to destroy evidence for a crime which does not exist (aside from having a time machine).

>They knew what they were doing is morally wrong. Most of them weren’t psychopaths or robots.
Killing a bunch of Serbian democrats and nationalists and women and children would not sit well with them either, yet they had no problem documenting and even awarding military honors for it.

None of this makes any sense to me.

>>508026175
This guy doesn’t know anything about the Irving trial lmfao. Not that I expected any more from a communist apologist

>>508026189
>fuck this is supposed to be a murdenshootencampen not a foodensleepncampen

>>508026547
exactly, but is there a consensus among (((historians))) about the timeframe? i bet there is not
i know it's all bullshit, but i sure wish it happened and it will happen again

>>508019579 (OP)
Logistically no, if it happened then the number was much lower, in the 100k's and only people who were sick from Typhus or too old to work. Jews did themselves no service claiming 6 million or claiming 1.5 million in Auschwitz and then reducing these numbers later. We are down to 900k now and any real life court case would have been dismissed if it was based on incorrect or false evidence.

the gas was use to treat the cloths before burning them to kill head lice since fire was not enough.

>>508026014
>All across Eastern Europe.
Truth. Most westerners don’t know that European Jews changed their names all the time. Whenever they fucked up or the local antisemitism started to ratchet up, they moved and changed their names.
The researchers looking at the Rinehardt camps in Poland came across many families who did this and stopped identifying as Jewish to avoid persecution. Not from the Nazis, but by their neighbors.
For every family that hid a Jew in their attic, there were dozens happily handing them over - or killing them themselves.

>>508019579 (OP)
No

>>508026708
the gas was generated from khazzer brapholes and inhaled by Hitler himself

>>508026688
6m is recycled they used it first against the russian tsar (printed in the new york times) way before hitler even had power

>>508023906
>Mind you, the holocaust still happened,

Where's the evidence of this?
Not trying to be confrontational, fren, but since the camp records show that the total number of jews who died there is approximately 270,000 across WW2's timeframe, it begs the question of how much of a 'holocaust' there was?
The 270K deaths were almost all from typhus and starvation due to wartime conditions (not deliberate).
We cracked the German codes early in the war, and never discovered any execution orders.
Plenty of jews have come forward admitting they lied.
What makes you so sure that the Holocaust 'must' have happened?

>>508026679
The exact same time the war popped off, apparently, it's such obvious bullshit. It's amazes me that it's even still discussed as anything other than a classic example of jewish hypochondriacism.

I mean, wouldn't it have been much more efficient to just pull their pants down and shoot them if they were circumcised and then write them off as a civilian death.

>>508024818
Kikes were all over europe and parts of asia at the time, especially in the soviet union.
That's why they aren't hebrew, they can't be, they are eurasian mutts in their vast majority.
On another subject, the funny thing is how modern jews perceive the holocaust. They may cry that is was a tragedy, but that's now what they feel. It wasn't traumatic for them, all the deaths meant nothing because the outcome gave them power, land, brought them together under one nation. In their inner circles, they take pride in the holocaust and the perpetuation of guilt for it that they spread among europeans.
That's what they don't want it to be denied, because, it's the fuel for their power fantasy, if it was traumatic and painful, they would try to forget, and to move on from it.

>>508027036
The real Holocaust was the anti-Semitism those poor Jews had to suffer. Whether they died or not is totally irrelevant, chud, the anti-Semitism was inconvenience enough.

>>508027057
the british soap libel got still repeated in US talk shows in the 90s as fact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Corpse_Factory

>>508027057
>The exact same time the war popped off, apparently
oh yeah, well that settles it then kek

>>508026231
>which was taken at face value during the Nuremberg Trials because the goal wasn’t truth or Justice

Please don't get me started on the Satanic circus that was Nuremberg. Who EVER heard of a court specifically ordered to disregard evidence and base its rulings on hearsay and questionable testimony?!

>>508027267
Kek. America might as well be a different planet where they drink jewish propaganda instead of water. The fact that kikes came up with all this should come as a warning to the depravity the jewish mind can exhibit and what might happen if they ever gain control over a people.

>>508019990
Nigga read fucking book holy shit are you serious

>>508026014
>>508026771
>there are 50 Babi Yars all over eastern Europe
So show me evidence of a few?
Just one?
>Stalin had this jew as his most trusted right hand man, but other than that he was antisemitic
Sure thing. You can argue anything in this style... it's like jewish sophistry... I'm sure there's a name for it...
Btw.. still waiting on those letters >>508025756 >>508025847

>>508027838
What books have you read on the subject, mighty scholar?

>>508027950
talmud

>>508019579 (OP)
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>>508027843
the rheinhard camps were not in the chain of command, they had no command commander no documents exist, no real facilities existed either

/pol/ showed me a telegram addressed at all camps and camp commanders, unnoticed by everybody else here but the claimed rheinhard camps did not exist in the message header, they had no camp commander

treblinka was a 900k gassing operation, it had no camp commander by hard evidence

>>508028111
Id let her gas me iykwim

>>508027636
Less than a decade after they got out of the camps, Jews were fetishizing their experience. It’s called stalag porn. It was so popular that the Israeli government banned it because of the horrible optics it would have caused.
Either Jews are the sickest motherfuckers on the planet who got off to their own people being genocided, or the whole deliberate mass-extermination thing never happened.
Pick one.

>>508026175
Cope.
Besides, Irving is just the messenger. The evidence speaks for itself desu.

>>508019579 (OP)
Not even with German autism

>>508028111
>they had no command
What about Globocnik to Wirth?

>>508028111
>treblinka was a 900k gassing operation, it had no camp commander by hard evidence

How does that account for the radar scans which showed the ground had never been disturbed (no graves)?

>>508028504
dont do technical evidence you can not win this

>>508019579 (OP)
we still couldn't do it today, it's a big fat no. Once you learn the jew's first thought is to lie, you will understand the history taught in (schools) is fake

>>508028111
>treblinka was a 900k gassing operation
Was it? According to which lying Jew? The one who claimed they used vacuum chambers? The one who said they drowned and electrocuted them? The one who claimed they used diesel exhaust?
Are you going to believe the testimony of the people who claimed that they killed 900k people, burned them in open air pits using green wood cut by hand, buried the bodies, dug the partially burned up again a few months later without any kind of hazmat gear, burned the rest and then smashed all the bones to bits by hand with hammers?
All of this being done by the claimed 2-3 dozen Sonderkommandos who were staffing the camp?
When the amount of wood required would have deforested a large chunk of that part of Poland?
When not one Allied recon flight over the area got pictures of the massive fires that supposedly burned for months?
Get. The. Fuck. Out. Of. Here.

>>508019837
It was 60 at most

>>508028342
>Either Jews are the sickest motherfuckers on the planet who got off to their own people being genocided, or the whole deliberate mass-extermination thing never happened.
>Pick one.
Can it be both?

>>508019579 (OP)
Do you think that the claim is that 6 million people were gassed and cremated?

>>508028786
Prove it

>>508019579 (OP)
Yes easily and Holocaust Denial is one of the dumbest things /pol/ seems to believe. I hope most of you are just trolling cause you don't like Jews and love getting (You)s

>>508028786
no balls

>>508028786
>dont do technical evidence you can not win this
Sure thing, Chaim.

>>508019579 (OP)
It's very easy and efficient to drag 6 million bodies from gas chambers to incinerators

However debate about it endangers Jewish reparations and their lives so stop or we will club together to destroy you.

This is what you accuse us of and we will do it for real and for the first time.

>>508029415
We aren’t the ones who made up endless fairy tales and expect the whole world to believe them

They had help. i.e. Capos and Sondor Commandos. In short, the NSDAP recruited shit for brains Jews to help them exterminate other Jews. Worked like a charm. Sometimes exceeding expendations. Woah, what the fuck??
>Give me your children.
Whites would never say this ever. We'd rather die. But Jews? Yeah, throw each other under the bus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Rumkowski
Give Me Your Children

Chaim Rumkowski delivering a speech in the ghetto, 1941–42
On German orders Rumkowski delivered a speech on September 4, 1942, pleading with the Jews in the ghetto to give up children 10 years of age and younger, as well as the elderly over 65, so that others might survive. "Horrible, terrifying wailing among the assembled crowd" could be heard, reads the transcriber's note to his parlance often referred to as: "Give Me Your Children".

TKD, based on the above. Convince me otherwise, you cannot.

>>508029604
This happened to my grandpa

I'd love to see someone calculate how much fuel the ovens would have consumed. Burning a body isn't a small task, takes a lot of heat for a long time. That math has to get fucking hilarious pretty fast.

>>508029782
Its been calculated many times. Theres an infographic floating around. Its like 4 million tons of coke

>>508028111
>treblinka was a 900k gassing operation
they buried the bodies underground. The soviets were claiming mass graves.
But of course, they soon discovered the mass graves did not actually exist. So later they changed the story and claimed that all of the bodies were dug up and cremated on outdoor fires, to salvage the narrative. The person behind this was a jewish author called Yankel Wiernick, who wrote about bullets bouncing off his skin during his heroic escape. His account is filled with lies and impossibilities.

As many people pointed out, urban jews had no experience with life outside the city, and thought of fire as some magical death. They didn't understand how it worked. To them, you could just touch a body with a match, and it would ignite into flames and burn itself to ashes. But human bodies are largely endothermic, being 70% water, and don't sustain a flame.
So wiernick describes bodies being piled 20 feet high, and then "set alight", and then "burning all night". He also describes a burning log being tossed into an open grave, and then all the bodies underground igniting and burning, smoldering up smoke through the earth.

This stuff he says doesn't work, because he doesn't know what he's talking about. He just keeps emphasizing emotional content, without considering the logic.

Yes but the gas chamber shit is the giveaway that it's all made up.
You can't pump a room of 2,000 people full of cyanide gas and then just clean up the bodies and fluids and load it up with another 2,000 people. Everyone who entered to do the clean up would have dropped dead.

>>508029533
>It's very easy and efficient to drag 6 million bodies from gas chambers to incinerators
Checked. Except it really isn’t.
Use of Zyklon-b as a fumigant (against lice or kikes) leaves behind highly toxic residue. This is typically dispersed by the use of large fans, which were used at delousing stations maintained by the railways which carried passengers from Eastern Europe (where body live were endemic) to Western Europe. They’d stop the trains and fumigate the baggage.
They were also found at delousing stations in the concentration camps, which had a huge problem with typhus from the outset.
They are NOT found in any of the alleged gas chambers, nor is there any provision for them in the buildings.
Yet somehow the Jewish Sonderkommando were able to - by their own testimony - go right in and handle all the bodies immediately after the gassings were done without requiring any protective gear. None of them so much as mentioned having to wait for the bodies to become safe to handle.
That’s because they’re a bunch of lying, ignorant peasants who had no clue what the fuck they were talking about.
Just like the chucklefucks who said they could tell what nationality of Jew was being burned by the color of the smoke coming from the chimneys. That’s utterly ridiculous on its face, right? It’s even more so when you find out that the chimneys at crematoria don’t produce visible smoke.
It’s all founded on lies, and in many cases very obvious stupid lies.

Leave them alone, they’re just trying to shepherd survival br civilizing the world with the Hidden Hand.

>>508025560
Opening history books and looking up sources made me realize it was all bullshit. My favorite is some people had a claim that if you could prove the holocaust happened they would offer 10k. Some jew took them up on that offer and won. His proof, “I said it did.” The judge then said that was enough proof and made them pay.

>>508029782
It’s even worse than that, because the Rinehardt camps where they now claimed the exterminations of millions really truly happened didn’t have crematoria. The bodies were allegedly burned on open air pits using green wood harvested from the surrounding forest, by hand. No heavy machinery.
The amount of wood required would have deforested that part of Poland.
And yet no one saw the smoke, despite these fires supposedly burning for months.

>>508030113
In particular, they said the doors were open in 20 minutes.
This was later stretched to 30 or 40 minutes because they realized how badly they fucked up.

But anyway, 20 minutes is about the time it would take everyone in there to die. But they forgot about the time to get the poison gas out of the room. The room is still full of poison gas. Not to mention, the poison saturating everyone's skin, and in their lungs. The entire room full of bodies would stench with cyanide, like a thousand wet dogs.

They had a ventilation system, but there's no way it could work that fast. The CDC recommends you ventilate a room for like, 12 hours, not a couple minutes. True you could perhaps reduce the cyanide below a level that would be immediately lethal, but the accumulated damage of cyanide on the workers would kill them in short order. Cyanide works through exposure over time, being exposed to half as much, for twice as long, is just as lethal.

There's also the issue that cyanide gas rises up. But the ventilation intakes are near the floor. That's because the room was actually a morgue and was transporting away smells which are typically heavier than air. If you were attempting to ventilate cyanide, the intakes should be near the ceiling instead. Plus the floor intakes would have been completely blocked with bodies.

It just doesn't work. The rooms didn't even have any cyanide residue on the walls when it absolutely should have been there. Numerous tests confirm this, they'll actually put you in prison if you do such a test.

>>508019579 (OP)
Holocaust deniers never researched the holocaust. They think 6 million were gassed.

>>508031920
They think nobody was gassed anon

>>508031920
>>508032030
The funny thing about straw men is they're always as smart as whoever sets them up, and this particular one is really, really dumb
In short, you're both way out of your depth

(6,000,000 / (365•5)) = 3,287.
6 million jews divided by 5 years gives you 3,287 jews killed a day, every day, for 5 years.

>>508032502
Nice vague post that says nothing.

> le "german efficiency"
> kill jews in gaschambers
> gotta drag the bodies out wearing protective gear
> put em in the incinerator
jews going straight to the oven would make much more sense, hmmm.

No. You can't make 15 million bodies dissappear with no trace.

>>508019579 (OP)
No

>>508032684
Actually there is a specific 2 month period at Auschwitz when they claim that 430,000 jews were murdered. So that's 7000 jews per day for 2 month, with the majority being in the first month.

This death toll is based on train records, of jews being deported from Hungary and arriving in Auschwitz. The problem is.....this entire narrative rests on a blanket assumption that each train was packed full of 2000 people each. There is firsthand testimony of jews transiting through Treblinka on their way to Majdanek, they mention only about 300 people were in their train. The notion of the Nazis cramming trains with 2000 people seems to be pure mythology.
Anyway, that's where the number comes from, traincar math.

The problem is, it's not really possible. They'd have to do 2 gassings a day, which means they'd have to clear out the room from bodies 2x per day. Let's say we ignore physics and assert they can clear the gas out of the room in 20 minutes, so they can do a gassing every hour (remember they have to pack everyone into the room as well, they all have to undress and everything).
That allots 22 hours to clear bodies from the room. Even using their retarded figures, such that each oven can burn a body in 15 minutes, you still have a massive excess of corpses, that would have to be hauled out of the dressing room, up the stairs, and to outdoor burning pits. 1 body would have to be dragged out of the room every 20 seconds, so this would have to be super fast.

>>508019579 (OP)
Have a high quality Pepe, for you anon

>>508019579 (OP)
Still a very boring discussion. Numbers are always fudged. Did hitler target jews? Yes it happened in living memory. Did milions die because of hitler going full retard? Yes. Was the nazi party filled with sick fucks? Yes. Would you want those people controlling your life? No. Did nazis have some points? Sure. Can we move on to the next topic? Maybe we can do this discussion in a 100 years when the proof is gone.

>>508019579 (OP)
Ask yourself tthis: why would Germany put all these resources to keep exterminating the jews while their front lines were deprived and crumbling?

>>508033552
Think the Auschwitz claim is less than that, but there's a period in 1942 (August to November) where they claim between 400k and 500k were killed every month, see >>508021007
That's well over two million in just four months - in four Reinhard camps without any crematoria at all, all with CO from exhausts at the height of Barbarossa

>>508034093
>Think the Auschwitz claim is less than that

From Wikipedia

>>508020669
No they weren't, only about 1.5 million were gassed in the official narrative. 6 million is just the guess for total number of civilian jews whocdied over the course of the war

>>508019579 (OP)
>jews kept in internment camps beyond initial processing were the ones that Israel didn't want (Hitler was paying them to take the jews if they wanted them)
Jews in camps forced to exercise and do labor for the first time in their lives (they will never forgive this)
Allies cripple Germany from moving anything around internally.
Those in the internment camps that die have to be cremated for sanitary purposes, jews are against cremation.
Nothing resembling a holocause is carried out intentionally by Germany.

>>508034352
1) You cannot do gassings that fast. It takes way longer than that to get the gas out of the chamber before each gassing, that would take hours of waiting. Also the time it takes 2000 people to undress, in the room they'd be packed so tight they couldn't even move. To pack them in there would take a long time too. Realistically each gassing cycle would take like, 6 hours minimum. If you're doing 2 gassings per day, that's half your day just on gassing cycles.

2) Even using this ridiculous assumption of 1 hour per gassing cycle, you'd have to drag bodies out at the rate of 20 seconds per body. Half of them would need to be going all the way out to the burning pits. No rollers, or stretchers are mentioned, they specifically say the bodies are dragged on the floor. There's also never any mention of protective gear against cyanide exposure for the workers.

3) You literally cannot cremate bodies at a rate of 15 minutes/body. It would take 1-2 hours per body. Think of how much fuel it would take too. They are hauling bodies up an elevator one or two at a time, think of how many trips this elevator must have taken. The elevator was more like a hoist supported by a wooden rod with a capacity for a few bodies only.

4) Since most of the cremations are happening in outdoor burning pits, we should have mountains of evidence from those pits. The teeth, the bone fragments. We have some, they did actually do some burnings, but not nearly this scale. There's also no evidence on recon pictures of massive burnings, only some small ones with a couple dozen bodies or so.

5) The ovens were actually shitty and broke down often, we know this from their work orders.. That's why they were using outdoor burning pits for a while. There's no way these shitty brick-fired ovens could handle thousands per day.

This operation sounds like it would have involved hundred, or thousands of workers. And yet, I believe there were only like 60 sondercommandos employed at any given time.