Thread 508031941 - /pol/ [Archived: 971 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: /pZkYgsAUnited States
6/20/2025, 12:52:04 AM No.508031941
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Is Peter Zeihan right? He actually kind of makes sense
>Number one, we are facing the labor shortage in the United States that will not let up for a minimum of 20 years at some point. And as the world breaks down, there will be more opportunities, particularly in the Eastern Hemisphere. But for the Western Hemisphere, Central America is it. Now I understand that a lot of people find this very angsty, but consider this. The only other way to get to the United States on foot from anywhere else in Latin America is through the Darien Gap. And the people who are willing to walk 1500 miles through hostile territory in order to find a better life? These are kind of the people we want. They are the millions of people that the United States need if it’s going to maintain its economic position and its quality of life.
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Anonymous ID: WaxT7bxFUnited States
6/20/2025, 12:53:35 AM No.508032099
>>508031941 (OP)
Zeihan is an openly paid shill who represents the Boomer lobby.
Anonymous ID: 3e0uC4+6United States
6/20/2025, 12:53:39 AM No.508032112
>>508031941 (OP)
Yes but polfats would rather live like a seed than see brown people
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Anonymous ID: 7HBqTwxuCanada
6/20/2025, 12:54:56 AM No.508032248
>>508031941 (OP)
nah he's retarded
Anonymous ID: wSQYcfZlUnited States
6/20/2025, 12:57:14 AM No.508032455
>>508031941 (OP)
>we are facing the labor shortage
We are facing greedy employers, not a labor shortage. There are jobs and workers, but the jobs pay poverty rates and the owners of the companies have private jets. They can all suck my cock.
>that will not let up for a minimum of 20 years
Pay American an American living wage, and the jobs will fill. Period. The quality of life is being stolen from you by replacing you with cheaper labor. There is no humanitarian problem and there is no shortage of willing labor, provided the wealthy cunts offering the jobs change the job market across the board. Oh, boo hoo, some asshole piece of shit entrepreneur will have to wait an extra two years to upgrade his megayacht. He deserves death; small price to pay to wait to trade in your boat.

I'd kill them all and start over.
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Anonymous ID: wSQYcfZlUnited States
6/20/2025, 12:57:49 AM No.508032514
>>508032112
>live like a seed
What's this mean?
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Anonymous ID: yWC1nB0tUnited States
6/20/2025, 12:57:55 AM No.508032523
There is no labor shortage, that's where his analysis breaks down. And we're so far away from a labor shortage that automation is going to eat up more and more jobs.

Americans can absolutely afford to pay at least minimum wage for the jobs illegals are doing.

And the economy and society will be much improved by employing the currently un and underemployed at living wages.
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Anonymous ID: kPukGDm0United States
6/20/2025, 12:58:33 AM No.508032590
>>508031941 (OP)
>is this homosexual jew right?
No.
Anonymous ID: smoZBqWLUnited States
6/20/2025, 12:59:05 AM No.508032642
>>508031941 (OP)
zeihan NO LONGER BASED
sorry ZEIHAN i love CHARLIE KIRK now
Anonymous ID: MEU0SMtJ
6/20/2025, 12:59:19 AM No.508032665
we may want them for those reasons yes, but our systems are not prepared to take them in in those numbers.
Anonymous ID: 0uaYh6kZPortugal
6/20/2025, 12:59:56 AM No.508032721
>people we need have no sense of law or whatever is what we need
I'll raise a question. They don't fear the darien gap, are they going to fear any form of american authority?
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Anonymous ID: VMYNduwmUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:00:28 AM No.508032778
>>508031941 (OP)
>only allow slaves to do work (won't pay more than $5/hr for work that requires an adult working full time)
>call it a labor shortage when slavery is abolished
Anonymous ID: iTfvPnTbUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:00:48 AM No.508032815
>>508031941 (OP)

I can't get a call back for $11/hr slave tier work
Anonymous ID: /QlQOubPUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:01:22 AM No.508032868
>>508031941 (OP)
>Number one, we are facing the labor shortage in the United States
WRONG immediately. There never was a shortage. They just refuse to hire white men, which is a yuge demographic.
Anonymous ID: oYwTR17pUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:01:38 AM No.508032891
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>>508031941 (OP)
> Peter Zeihan makes sense
Anonymous ID: DI9EIWnMUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:01:54 AM No.508032921
>>508031941 (OP)
My only criticism is that he doesn’t view America like the rest of the world. He can say, the Han Chinese ethnicity, or the Russian ethnicity, or the Germans and view them as an ethno-racial group but he’s fully Americanized and won’t really view America as anything besides a nationality. So in his eyes, America can be any demographic so it’s okay for us to keep importing people, but the old world are still their proper identities which is why immigration isn’t a solution for them.

This usually leads to people not knowing when to say enough is enough. I don’t give a shit about some Mexicans working taco trucks and landscaping, that’s preferable to importing the entire IT sector of India and Zeihan seemingly partially agreed with this but there’s no point where he’ll say, but it has to he extremely controlled and maintain a, let’s say 80% white majority.
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Anonymous ID: tUSNmP7XUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:04:25 AM No.508033162
The quality of life is so bad in the United States that I keep watching videos of people that can't even afford a cheap Spotify subscription because they are 6 figures in debt.
Anonymous ID: Ger/TGKvUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:05:13 AM No.508033227
>>508031941 (OP)
what the fuck is going on with 4chan since it got hacked?
Suddenly its 90 Percent retarded Liberals chiming in and starting threads. I keep getting a recycle 300 second wait.
Clearly this site is glow bait.
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Anonymous ID: LM6eRg9rUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:06:02 AM No.508033304
>>508031941 (OP)
Those people are being herded like cattle by NGOs and glowniggers. This is a modern day nigger cattle rancher.
Anonymous ID: bdUz0LyFUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:06:42 AM No.508033364
>>508031941 (OP)
He’s a dirty kike
Anonymous ID: NdHKNLsEUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:07:15 AM No.508033415
>it is more cost efficient and inherently valuable to pay for and ship in foreigners from an unhygenic backwards barbaric land than it is to encourage zoomers to get a job
jews deserve execution.
Anonymous ID: /pZkYgsAUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:10:09 AM No.508033651
>>508031941 (OP)
He's right though. It's literally fucking common sense and logic. Stuff like food, electricity, etc doesn't just appear into existence, it comes from people. As the population ages, the ratio of people who produce to people who consume gets skewed in favor of people who consume. When there's too many old people, and just young people, it all collapse.
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Anonymous ID: DI9EIWnMUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:13:58 AM No.508033999
>>508033651
America actually has a pretty good birth rate compared to the rest of the developed world minus Israel, we have no ability to say enough is enough and without any sort of vetting and control of demographics.
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Anonymous ID: wSQYcfZlUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:22:44 AM No.508034808
>>508033651
That's not the problem; it's the greed of the 1% and the stock market. If a loaf of fucking bread costs 10 cents, you have to pay accordingly. If it costs $5/95, you have to scale the entire pay up accordingly. It hasn't scaled accordingly in 100 years. Our boomer parents made an equivalent of $100 an hour compared to what Zoomers make now, which loses ground daily.
Anonymous ID: yWC1nB0tUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:24:05 AM No.508034926
>>508033227
Works on my machine.
Anonymous ID: LzEXEkD7United States
6/20/2025, 1:24:50 AM No.508034996
>>508033999
just writing out a check for (you)

but, yeah, we need a better immigration system so the enterprising energy of the world can get here legally
Anonymous ID: ULH1YNrFUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:25:08 AM No.508035035
There’s 6 billion people willing to do that Peter Puffer. We don’t need more shopping cart corralers or any other low iq labor. The harm caused to unity and sense of community is so destructive that support for these invaders has to be malicious. Theres 30 latin countries they could immigrate to. We have a unique culture worth preserving. It’s not our country to give away. We are stewards, America is a irrevocable trust we are to pass down to the next generations of our people. Our people is who the Founders defined as their progeny, or the European diaspora who created a new nation. An experiment in freedom. “A Republic, if you can keep it.” Brown invaders do not belong here and will NEVER be Americans. They don’t value free speech or the right bear arms. They are r-selected bioweapons who have NOTHING positive to offer our country. America could never be defeated in head to head combat. Only due to subversive invasion through the back door and trojan horse invasion through the front door are we on the precipice of irreversible decline.
Anonymous ID: gXGlvmECUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:26:00 AM No.508035125
>>508031941 (OP)

he said mRNA gene editing was Russian disinfo. He is a NATO shill and a liar.
Anonymous ID: JP/Nc0JIBrazil
6/20/2025, 1:28:39 AM No.508035353
>>508032455
Preach.
CEOs making thousands of times a worker wage is absolutely retarded. These fucks gotta take a fucking hint.
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Anonymous ID: /q9WcTD4United States
6/20/2025, 1:29:17 AM No.508035407
>>508031941 (OP)
Letting in hordes of low-IQ brown people because of a labor shortage is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
Anonymous ID: smoZBqWLUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:34:24 AM No.508035858
there's not even a labor shortage why do people think this. nobody can find a job. there are a lot of fake job postings maybe thats where it comes from
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Anonymous ID: 9Xn+sucmUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:37:45 AM No.508036142
>>508031941 (OP)
We have an unemployment crisis.

No immigration AT ALL, from anywhere, including anyone with any qualifications AT ALL.

Until the unemployment crisis is solved, end ALL immigration.
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Anonymous ID: yWC1nB0tUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:38:34 AM No.508036228
Labor Force Participation Rate 62 percent
Labor Force Participation Rate 62 percent
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>>508036142
This.
And once we get all the illegals out, we need to start encouraging women to stay home and raise kids.
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Anonymous ID: zlqIltBVGermany
6/20/2025, 1:38:36 AM No.508036232
>>508031941 (OP)
He was never right.
So why start now?
Anonymous ID: ThJyCIjdGreece
6/20/2025, 1:38:36 AM No.508036233
>>508031941 (OP)
>And the people who are willing to walk 1500 miles through hostile territory in order to ...

they are willing to do this because their lives are meaningless and their time is worthless

a few years ago there was a news report about a free candy handout in greece causing a massive lineup that clogged up the street
turns out like 80% of the line were brown people and gypsies, who somehow could wait for hours out in the street for a fucking chocolate bar
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Anonymous ID: wSQYcfZlUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:40:25 AM No.508036390
>>508035353
>These fucks gotta take a fucking hint.
Or a hail of bullets.
Anonymous ID: wSQYcfZlUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:41:40 AM No.508036495
>>508035858
>nobody can find a job
That pays enough to bother going to
Anonymous ID: ULH1YNrFUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:41:51 AM No.508036512
>>508035858
Exactly. No one can even afford a starter home anymore. What ever happened to the rule of supply and demand? For some reason labor is exempt from price discovery.
Anonymous ID: f3tGO15TUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:42:05 AM No.508036530
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>>508031941 (OP)

Yes he's wrong. His primary flaw in all his reasoning is he looks at demographics as a numbers game only. He hand-waives away any issues created by racial/cultural/religious differences and how those differences ALWAYS blow societies apart. The United States is unprecedentedly capital rich, so if we have a labor shortage capital should be investing in automation and efficiency gains rather than bringing in millions of useless eaters who will never assimilate and will destroy our society.
Anonymous ID: ULH1YNrFUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:43:40 AM No.508036672
>>508036233
This is funny and sad at the same time. Very illustrative insight, thanks anon.
Anonymous ID: /Gt8RiouUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:44:08 AM No.508036726
>>508031941 (OP)
>is [insert kike] right
no.
Anonymous ID: /Gt8RiouUnited States
6/20/2025, 1:52:02 AM No.508037566
>>508032455
>American living wage,
drop the faggot words. An honest wage.
Anonymous ID: d3BdGrHWCanada
6/20/2025, 1:52:52 AM No.508037652
>>508031941 (OP)
Send them all to the front lines in WW3. Problem solved.
Anonymous ID: TPtT+ob4United States
6/20/2025, 1:54:05 AM No.508037803
>>508031941 (OP)
Zeihan is a typical pop-history/pop-science type of guy. He makes a lot of sweeping observations about countless fields he knows little about, which to the layman makes him seem well educated on many topics, but the informed listener understands almost everything he says is vague speculation.

On this matter he swallowed the "there's a labor shortage" idea uncritically, again because he only has a surface level understanding of various fields and mainly repeats what others are saying. This leads to a false conclusion, the idea that the "labor shortage" has to be fixed somehow and migration is that solution.

What he doesn't understand is that the "labor shortage" is a narrative invented ex-post-facto to justify the immigration, and subsequent labor exploitation, that was already happening. As >>508036228 points out the labor participation rate is very low. There's tons of unused labor, already in the country. But it isn't actually needed. What IS "needed" are modern serfs, poorly paid menial laborers with minimal rights who are often tied to their employer, and that's what illegal immigrants represent.

This is why proponents of immigration don't actually support changing any laws, and mainly just want to stop law enforcement - because they actually prefer very-exploitable illegal immigration, rather than the only mildly-exploitable legal immigration.

Again, Zeihan observes from far away so he misses the forest for the trees here, uncritically repeating the narratives instead of examining why the interest groups involved are saying the things they're saying. He's thinking more in terms of the nation as a single unit, so to him it's as simple as "labor pool bad, fix labor pool" but he doesn't consider that different groups within the nation have different interests in shaping that narrative.
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Anonymous ID: ox83VX3+Australia
6/20/2025, 1:55:27 AM No.508037919
>labor shortage

Anyone who thinks this should be hanged
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Anonymous ID: /1cGp8kjAustralia
6/20/2025, 1:58:07 AM No.508038149
>>508037919
There isn't a labour shortage, nor was there. Most employers are just fucking greedy and useless and don't even know how to increase productivity.
Anonymous ID: LY9zbhiYUnited States
6/20/2025, 2:00:21 AM No.508038358
>>508031941 (OP)
>we are facing the labor shortage

There is literally no such thing as a labor shortage

Immigration suppresses wages and that is why these disloyal assholes push the 'there are no workers' bullshit
Anonymous ID: XHzKu3nIUnited States
6/20/2025, 2:08:22 AM No.508039137
>>508031941 (OP)
Funny how we are facing a labor shortage, but unemployment is 24% right now, and AI is going to replace so many jobs. Peter sounds like a faggot Jew that doesn't understand anything at all.
Anonymous ID: 3F1vqiLyUnited States
6/20/2025, 2:09:51 AM No.508039270
>>508031941 (OP)
Stupid jew can FUCK OFF TO HELL
FUCK OFF PETER ZION
FUCK OF GREENBERG
WE DON'T WANT ANY
EVERY BROWN OUT RACE WAR NOW
Anonymous ID: /pZkYgsAUnited States
6/20/2025, 2:21:58 AM No.508040347
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>>508037803
This isn't some retard fight club fantasy, in the real world people have kids to feed, they have wives, they have ageing parents who often have health problems such as cancer so they need a healthcare system that works. If there's too many old people then the healthcare system collapse which is where immigrants come. UK's health care system was on the verge of collapse because they didn't have enough doctors and nurses, but the increase in south asian immigrants stabilized it. going to need a lot of immigrants for nurses, doctors, cleaners, food workers etc, which is where south asian and central american countries can help as their country already has a young population

In fact, you can thank immigrants from turkey, india, and MENA countries, even nigeria for that increase in doctors and nurses in the UK. Look up those resident programs from exeter and see the faces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVdiB9vxEXI
That girl is turkish and the other two are nigerians and they're the ones that are saving the lives of europe's moms and dads as they get older
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Anonymous ID: Y2UsQ+GiUnited States
6/20/2025, 2:23:11 AM No.508040455
>>508031941 (OP)
I absolutely agree with Zeihan. We should let them in as soon as China collapses.
Anonymous ID: 6uvhWWiS
6/20/2025, 2:23:46 AM No.508040505
>>508031941 (OP)

Why do we want people who don't have anything going on where they're from?
Anonymous ID: MRiiphJLAustralia
6/20/2025, 2:50:16 AM No.508042809
>>508031941 (OP)
I think we have a labour surplus actually
Anonymous ID: MRiiphJLAustralia
6/20/2025, 2:52:11 AM No.508042971
>>508031941 (OP)
Also how does millions of low wage workers maintain quality of life, surely it drags the average down
Anonymous ID: YYF+VtaQAustralia
6/20/2025, 2:55:29 AM No.508043250
>>508040347
You are profoundly retarded.

>we need more doctors, nurses, etc etc
>should we import niggers or should we train Brits?
>obviously niggers!

It's a combination of wanting to destroy native Brits along with importing a fully grown niggers (who claims to be a doctor) is cheaper than raising and training a Brit. That's it, it's not about helping people it's about replace people
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Anonymous ID: 9J9asPHYGermany
6/20/2025, 2:56:48 AM No.508043381
humans are not cogs in a machine, he is wrong
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Anonymous ID: 7sFq1qTKUnited States
6/20/2025, 2:58:20 AM No.508043493
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>>508035353
YOURE FOOKIN FIRED. DONT YOU DARE INSULT MY GOLDEN SHOOTS ! I NEED IT FOR OBVIOUS REASONS
Anonymous ID: uglykAcbUnited States
6/20/2025, 3:10:59 AM No.508044485
>>508032514
Every square inch of soil on earth is filled with seeds lying dormant until the right conditions arise for them to take root and grow. So I guess it makes sense since there will be no growth with brown people around.
Anonymous ID: Lmv+6km0United States
6/20/2025, 3:16:43 AM No.508044957
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>>508031941 (OP)
>to find a better life

As soon as 500,00 browns invade our country, there won't be a better life or a quality of life. For whites or for them.

>These are kind of the people we want

Don't you get it? Importing millions of brownoids means that there won't be a "we" anymore. Just because a bunch of poor, illiterate, drunken Aztec jungle can walk here on foot doesn't mean they're going to be productive OR save our economy.
Anonymous ID: iI4Q6LbeUnited Kingdom
6/20/2025, 3:33:13 AM No.508046288
>>508031941 (OP)
I say send all niggers, pakis, ragheads, slit eyes, and south american bone through nose filed teeth soulless microcephalic no-neck squat dirty stinking noisy rude midgets to the US right away. all of them from everywhere.
the US should ideally house 7+ billion, and then be sealed off from the rest of the world.
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Anonymous ID: +C2vYI/9Chile
6/20/2025, 3:36:09 AM No.508046566
>>508043381
I hope you are right anon
Anonymous ID: sNMHYgsgUnited States
6/20/2025, 3:36:18 AM No.508046580
>>508046288
nah they like going to the UK we will keep sending them there
Anonymous ID: i/wkU+pjUnited States
6/20/2025, 3:41:04 AM No.508046965
>>508031941 (OP)
>But my business will collapse if I can't use literal slave labor.
Good.
Anonymous ID: 1p3GDcEuUnited States
6/20/2025, 3:42:18 AM No.508047059
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>>508032721
If millions are coming through the Darien Gap it must not be that hostile. They aren't coming that way, they're being smuggled by the same (((groups))) that are providing boats to Africans. If you're impoverished, how are you walking a thousand miles with clean clothes and enough food to feed your children?. And just to wind up completely broke in a foreign country? Those groups could have invested in the local economy but they invest in migration (human trafficking) instead. The economic burden created by such a mass of flesh has consumed so much excess capital that native born Americans have been demoralized and disincentivized to procreate for generations, although without knowing the true cause of their depression.
Anonymous ID: e8ITC8NXUnited States
6/20/2025, 3:43:45 AM No.508047163
>>508031941 (OP)
Labor shortage my ass. More jewish bullshit.
Anonymous ID: gmgFmnZeUnited States
6/20/2025, 3:44:55 AM No.508047260
>>508031941 (OP)
>Number one, we are facing the labor shortage in the United States that will not let up for a minimum of 20 years at some point.
People cannot find jobs.
>that will not let up for a minimum of 20 years at some point.
He's talking about all the imported 3rd worldies with crazy birthrates reproducing cheap laborers at around 18-20 years old. >20 years from now.
What a silvertongued devil.
Anonymous ID: i/wkU+pjUnited States
6/20/2025, 3:47:39 AM No.508047475
>>508043250
Seriously, my mom works at a nursing home and they were not struggling to get labor, they have tons of people. The problem is the labor they have refuses to actually do their fucking job half the time and instead just sit on their cell phones watching tiktok all day or jibber jabbering in their baboon language.
I say "were not" because the CEO apparently went down to one of the floors one day, asked one of the nurses to do something about an old guy who apparently shit his pants an hour ago that no one bothering to take care of and was told to fuck off because she was busy with something on her phone. The CEO's response was to immediately start culling the lazy fucks who were getting paid to sit around doing nothing.
Anonymous ID: RI9XtdYX
6/20/2025, 3:58:02 AM No.508048236
>>508031941 (OP)
He is retarded. He still may be right but for wrong reasons and definitely not these that he said.
Anonymous ID: RI9XtdYX
6/20/2025, 4:01:17 AM No.508048488
>>508032921
He sees USa as what it really is - a corporate slave plantation.
His mention of quality of life make sense only if you realise that he means qol the plantation owners and not wage/debt/literal slaves
Anonymous ID: PrU/WT7aUnited States
6/20/2025, 4:13:41 AM No.508049407
>>508032523
we fucked up letting the kikes ship our factories off to china for muh cheap labor when we did. we basically handed off factories right when robotics and automation were taking off. now we are fucked. most of their factories are fully automated, giant dark buildings. we cant even get our supply chain straightened out without begging to china. it was all a grift to steal the wealth of a white nation, left us with a shit service economy thats just a giant kike finance wurlitzer.
Anonymous ID: m6DIVPYAUnited States
6/20/2025, 4:20:56 AM No.508049916
>>508031941 (OP)
we don't have a labor shortage and if we did it would be a good thing since it incentivizes investment into automation
subsidized labor in any form (chattel, overseas, import, etc...) is how you turn economic growth into stagnation
Anonymous ID: evF9FD3xUnited States
6/20/2025, 4:28:11 AM No.508050405
>>508031941 (OP)
>labor shortage
What a strange way to reframe "approaching livable incomes for the non-wealthy"
Anonymous ID: WN1E/kruCanada
6/20/2025, 4:28:11 AM No.508050406
Zeihan's prediction about Alberta joining the US is the closest that butthole has been right about anything.