>HARD MODE:
Zero coping allowed.

>>508043271 (OP)

1) Russia is 3+ years into invading a fucking neighboring country and still can't capture it's capital or win that "2 week" conflict. 2) NATO owns the Baltic Sea with Finland, Norway and Sweden all ready to supply troops and weapons. Kalikngrad would be taken in a day by Poland/Lithuania and NATO.

>>508043675
NATO lost a war against Russia, and everybody knows it but you.

>>508043271 (OP)
Understood. I’ll analyze how a hypothetical coalition or adversary might strategically and politically defeat Russia in a wargaming scenario—assuming no constraints on alliances, resources, or political will, and with zero room for optimistic assumptions or ‘coping’ logic.

This will include a breakdown of:
• Conventional military strategy and force posture
• Hybrid and cyber warfare dimensions
• Economic, energy, and financial pressure mechanisms
• Diplomatic isolation and alliance-building
• Psychological and information warfare
• Strategic risks and consequences

I’ll provide a structured report with explicit assumptions, counter-escalation considerations (including nuclear risk), and strategic tradeoffs. I’ll let you know when it’s ready.

>>508043675
Ukraine has not conducted a single successful offensive since getting NATO training. Poland/Lithuania have zero chance of an offensive success considering they have absolutely no combat experience and no NATO army has a coherent doctrine for combating drones at any level. The Geran spam that flies over Ukraine would have an even easier time over the Baltics to Lithuania. The Baltics TINY population and completely negligible military stands no chance. It'd purely be up to the US forces in that area.

>>508044577

>Zero coping allowed.
>b-b-but muh history I just made up
>b-b-but NATO hasn't added more countries

>>508043271 (OP)
Look at east germany on a map, draw a line straight down. Anywhere to the right of that line, I literally couldn't give a fuck about. Russia can have it all. The EU and Nato should never have pushed east. If Russia respects that, there is no problem.

>>508043271 (OP)
Jesus.

>>508045260

>not conducted a single successful offensive
They literally conquered Russia territory in Russia's Kursk Oblast
>absolutely no combat experience
Like how they sent in the North Koreans to die? Like how the Russians are being sent into the meat grinder? How much combat experience did Russians have other than taking parts of Georgia decades ago? Does China have combat experience? Ukraine has tons of drone experience in the last few years.

>>508043271 (OP)
TOTAL AIR WAR

SNEAD THEM TO EXHAUSTION THEN BOMB THEM AT WILL

R*SSIA WILL LOSE TO AMERICA AND EASILY

>>508043271 (OP)
Jesus.

>>508045983
based

Capitulation and then waiting it out
It’s worked 2 times why not more

>>508043271 (OP)
We discussed the terms of peace b4 Donny boy was elected anon

But this is not my regime, am not the president if anything.

>>508043271 (OP)
>Explain in detail exactly how you will defeat Russia

Bait dumb goyim into a meat girinder to slowly wear down the Russian military and economy. Start with Ukraine, move on to Poland, then Finland, repeat as necessary until you run out of goys or they run out of Russians.

>>508043271 (OP)
>Zero coping allowed
Damn. I guess my only choice is to beat them via joining them. Can't be my enemy if I fight for them.

>>508043271 (OP)
let Europe deal with them while we 1v1 China and Israel takes out the Iranians. then Japan joins in to finish off China and nanjing 2.0 progresses

>>508044866
1. Early Warning (Q1 2025): NATO intelligence uncovers massive Russian troop and armor buildups near the Baltic and Ukrainian borders, alongside coordinated cyber-attacks on Estonian and Polish power grids.
2. Crisis Summit: NATO convenes an emergency Council. Facing credible threats of invasion, Allies unanimously agree on a “preemptive defense” mandate.
3. Precision Strikes Launch: In April 2025, F-35s and Eurofighters, escorted by electronic-warfare jets, obliterate Russian command posts, air defenses, and logistics hubs in Kaliningrad and western Russia. Simultaneous cyber-operations sever Moscow’s military networks.
4. Russian Counteroffensive: Incensed, Russia fires Iskander ballistic missiles at Polish and Baltic bases and sends three armored divisions into Belarus toward Lithuania.
5. Stalemate and Attrition: NATO deploys reinforced brigades, Patriot batteries, and Aegis destroyers. Intense armored clashes in Belarus and Ukraine bog down Russian forces. Western air and naval superiority inflicts unsustainable losses.
6. Escalatory Brinkmanship: Russia threatens tactical nuclear use; NATO disperses its strategic assets and moves several SSBNs to deterrent patrol. Neither side crosses the nuclear threshold.
7. Global Diplomatic Push: Under mounting pressure from the UN, China, and India, talks begin in Geneva. NATO conditions any ceasefire on full Russian withdrawal from Ukraine.
8. Ceasefire & Withdrawal: By July 2025, beleaguered Russian forces pull back from all Ukrainian territories, including Crimea. Ukraine’s sovereignty is restored under UN guarantee, marking Russia’s strategic defeat.

>no coping alowed
>click on thread
>endless zigger cope

>>508043271 (OP)
Attrition. Thousands upon thousands of drones. Large ones, small ones, fiery kind.
Make being a Russian in Ukraine absolute suicide.
Hit every kind of supplies they have behind the front lines.
Blow up their bridges near the border.

>>508043271 (OP)
I would wave my gay pride dildo at Putler during Kyiv™ Pride™®© to really make him mad.

>>508043271 (OP)
Hmmm... with kindness!

>>508043271 (OP)
I will let Putin do his work. He will eventually sell out and collapse russia

>>508043271 (OP)
Why would I want to defeat Russia?
If I were younger I would happily fight for Russia.

>>508043271 (OP)
Nuke Moscow

>>508043271 (OP)
I would listen to what they had to say.

And that's what no one did.

>>508043271 (OP)
Russia can't even get air superiority over Ukraine. They really have no answer to western airpower, so they'd get their shit pushed in pretty good if they ever tried something.

>>508049664
>Russia can't even get air superiority over Ukraine.
Because it's fighting for people's hearts.
Russia acts differently elsewhere.

BY KILLING AS MANY KIKES ON EARTH AS POSSIBLE!


EyeNoseJewsAreEvil.

>>508043271 (OP)
>Explain in detail exactly how you will defeat Russia
I'm not doing your war gaming for you faggot glownigger.

>>508049823
Okay, but in reality, it turns out they just are shit at the complicated task of dismantling an integrated air defense system. The war would unironically be over if Russia could get operational control over Ukraine's skies. So the fact they haven't done means 1) they're clinically retarded or 2) they simply can't.

>>508043271 (OP)
Offer Jewish pedophiles sanctuary in Russia.
Thats it, thats all it would take.

>>508049823
Still have no control over the skies. LOL who wins a war like that. Its about total control so you can drop bombs on military targets. How many aircraft has Russia lost since they do not have control? They cant even use helicopters in these areas without them getting shot down.

>>508043271 (OP)
>Build nuclear shettles for your elites
>drop nuke first
Win

>>508050088
>2) they simply can't.
No they can't because of western support, but they can definitely could've taken Ukraine out initially with "all out" strike. Instead - they marched in parade uniforms, hoping for sympathy of locals. They still do.

You'd be surprised how many in Ukraine actually support what Russia's doing, and not just Donbass - also Odessa, Kharkiv. Lviv obviously hates Russia, but many don't.

>>508050231
Well, what does that exactly mean? You can should down a plane or a helicopter with manpad, like they did in Afghanistan. What sort of "sky control" are we talking about?

Israel is supposedly having air control over Iran - can they really fly their planes there?

>>508043271 (OP)
This will be the end of NATO. I hope that Putin will do it.

>>508050437
>they could have but they didn't want to
Cope shit, fag. You are an absolute retard if you believe that the general staff of a major military didn't plan on achieving control of the skies for an invasion. Any line about hearts and minds is ex post cope when drones and missiles are flying into cities instead of airbases and air defenses.

>>508050523
Yes, Israeli planes are flying all over Tehran.

>>508050704
>Cope shit, fag. You are an absolute retard if you believe that the general staff of a major military didn't plan on achieving control of the skies for an invasion. Any line about hearts and minds is ex post cope when drones and missiles are flying into cities instead of airbases and air defenses.
Whatever you say - Aleppo and Bakhmut ended up looking the same. But one was demolished from the air, while another there was street - to - street fighting.

>>508043271 (OP)
kazak

>>508050867
What kind of flex is that? The entire point of air power is so you don't have to send endless convict waves to secure a city. This war has gone so unbelievably shit for Russia because they aren't fighting enough in the skies. They would be in a very poor position to support their ground forces against an actual combined arms force.

>>508043271 (OP)
I don't see how mutts or eurocucks can even really kvetch about this when their foreign policies are essentially about destabilising and weakening their perceived enemies for no reason other than
>my supposed enemies can have nothing good because them being strong in any way is bad for me

No wonder shit like this is a possibility.

>>508050999
>What kind of flex is that?
Yeah, I don't know, you won the argument, I guess. Maybe I believe what I want to believe.
But I believe that Russia - vs - Ukraine is NOT a "real" war, in the traditional sense. It's not the same as Afghanistan. There are NO uprising or terrorism in the territories they control. People largely support them or are indifferent (in the East). So they care about much more than about actual wins.
You might argue with that, but it's really not apples-to-apples. If you take territory you intend to keep - you better act surgically, regardless of your own casualties.

>>508051295
That dog doesn't hunt. The EU spent the better part of two decades spreading their ass for Russian hydrocarbons.

>>508043271 (OP)

No...I save plans for real thing. Nice try Vlad.

>>508051746
At this point I don't think you know what point you're trying to make. Russia's tactics have been devastating to the territory. Look at every "major" city they've taken; they're bombed out ruins because Russia's lack of air power forces it to make griding advances supported by massive artillery barrages.

>>508051814
The EU is like a two-faced jew.

>>508052163
No argument there.

>>508044866
>>508046315

thanks for the wordsoup gpt faggot

>>508052022
>Russia's tactics have been devastating to the territory.
But it wasn't, that's the thing. If you compare it to Russia's operations in Syria, or Israel in Palestine. Everything is being blown out of proportion by the propaganda.

Yeah, Bakhmut - every street was paid for in blood, but that's more of an exception.

>>508052022
>they're bombed out ruins because Russia's lack of air power
Isn't that a contradiction? They're NOT bombed out ruins, Russia didn't Hiroshima Ukraine into surrender. It tried to overwhelm, initially, but not with destructive power. Now that failed, they continue "on foot". I seriously doubt they would be fighting like that against other countries that they don't consider theirs.
Anyways - looks like I'm not making a solid-sounding arguments here, feel free to believe what you want.

>>508043271 (OP)
Artillery
Drones
Basic defense in depth

Russians are incompetent, have no gear and can't maneuver. Worst thing they can do is terror bomb your major metropolitan areas.

>>508043271 (OP)
I'd sit russia down and listen
cause that's what not else did

>>508043271 (OP)
Benis and spurdo :D
And of course rynnäkkökivääri 62 ja telamiina

>>508052698
The devastation in eastern Ukraine is on a scale not scene since WW2. Syria is nothing close. Palestine is comparable, but it's a relatively small geographic area. This is because Russia doesn't have the ability to hit Ukraine's strategic reserve and command & control, making it impossible to exploit any breaks in the line. This is the advantage of air power. You can hit your enemy behind his lines, suppress his strategic depth, attack his lines on the shoulders and make rapid advances for relatively little destruction.

If you look, the most intact areas Russia occupies are in the south and Luhansk, where they quickly advanced on the ground with no resistance. Donetsk is a wasteland because they've had to fight for every inch.

>>508053169
>The devastation in eastern Ukraine is on a scale not scene since WW2.
Well, not really. That's a research from Switzerland, and they send weapons to Ukraine.

>>508053139
A RUSSIAN IS SPEAKING
Sit down and listen

>>508053524
Your graphic only captures the conflict from 2014 to 2019, completely missing the 2022 full-scale invasion.

>>508043271 (OP)
You can't beat Russia on it's home turf. Just look at history.. Be nice and maybe they'll leave you be.

>>508053524
Well, that's 2014-2019.. gotta find a newer numbers.

Current is ~4%. But that's from ChatGPT (I haven't check the sources).

>>508053669
It's MUCH lower now, apparently, about ~4%.

>>508043271 (OP)
puccyans couldnt even beat pigkraine, khokhols had a middle-east tier army, full of corruption and chronic retardation.
They would start spamming "muh n00ks", tracing "final red lines" and taking off the gloves.

>>508053169
>The devastation in eastern Ukraine is on a scale not scene since WW2
But then it's not. Seriously, what are you talking about?

13,134 civilians killed as by report from United Nations since 2022.

https://ukraine.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/2025-05/Ukraine%20-%20protection%20of%20civilians%20in%20armed%20conflict%20%28April%20%202025%29_ENG.pdf

For comparison WW2 is about 5'500'000 Ukrainians. And that's a similar time-span.

>>508053854
The magnitude of own numbers kind of betray the point. This has been a devastating war with military deaths on a scale not seen in decades, precisely because the Russian air force failed to quickly bring the Ukrainians to heel. You can't compare it with relatively low level insurgent conflicts with terrorists and a potpourri of a African genocides where deaths are low in absolute numbers or civilians are targeted by design.

>>508050437
Bullshit. Classic zogbot propaganda counting on the reader forgetting about certain events like in this case, the failed plan to use that airport they captured to take Kiev.

>>508044577
hate to break it to you but Ukraine isn't a part of NATO.
NATO did add two new members in a direct response to pootins failed invasion
Even if russia captures all of Ukraine, which will nver happen, NATO still wins

>>508054279
Your metric is not a perfect indicator of devastation. WWI was relatively low civilian deaths (on the western front), but a devastating war because the fighting was so brutal and protracted.

>>508043271 (OP)
The only way to defeat Russia is with nukes, and then they would launch theirs resulting in mutual destruction of both parties. No one wins.

>>508054337
>This has been a devastating war with military deaths on a scale not seen in decades
Why are you keep saying that?
Do you have ANY facts to support that? No one is talking about high civilian casualties in Ukraine. It's more like "Russia is striking a civilian house" or "Russian soldiers are dying in droves" or something of that sort.
Show me someone reporting high civilian casualties like they report for Gaza for instance.

I mean SERIOUSLY, please show me that!

>>508043271 (OP)
Kill them all, every single one.

>>508054542
WTF are you talking about? Seriously? Soldiers fighting - yes? Wave after wave. Carpet bombing for a quick win - no.
Obviously there is EXTREMELY high intensity fight PRECISELY because Russia doesn't want to Hiroshima Ukraine into submission. PRECISELY because they intend on keeping the territories, and they don't want to make enemies with local population. WHERE am I contradicting myself!?

>>508054614
I even said military deaths. You're flogging civilian deaths as if that's the only metric that matters.

If a million people die, but only 1% were civilians and a thousand people die, but 50% were civilians the former is still vastly more devastating than the latter.

>>508054766
>they don't want to make enemies with local populatio
You are embarassing yourself, Pawel

>>508054814
>I even said military deaths.
Ok, I've read you wrong.

Right, so I guess then we agree then!

Russia is going for low civilian death even if it means high military death for Russia itself. That would also explain their slow advance.

>>508054847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4zhgvWFNWM

>>508043271 (OP)

Massive preemptive nuclear strike

>>508055007
Peeter Oja is a cryptokike btw

>>508054766
Because you're coping that grinding attritional warfare is a hearts and minds strategy rather than a tactic of last resort because the Russian air force can't create the conditions for maneuver warfare. Your contention is Russia leaves city after city looking like this to promote warm relations with the locals.

>>508055138
>Peeter Oja is a cryptokike btw
Just so you know, I'm a Jew myself, and I find that offensive. Your anti-semitism is not welcomed here!

>>508044577
What war?

>>508055283
>a ruzzian kike in diaspora shilling for jewtin
Color me surprised

>>508055266
>Because you're coping that grinding attritional warfare is a hearts and minds strategy rather than a tactic of last resort because the Russian air force can't create the conditions for maneuver warfare.
"last resort attritional OFFENSIVE"? how does that make any sense...

>>508055266
>Your contention is Russia leaves city after city looking like this to promote warm relations with the locals.
yes
People know that if houses are used by AFU they end up looking like that. People remember that.
Watch that "Mariupol" movie that got some award. Soldiers literally hide in a hospital, to "protect" it, until they don't need cover any more and move elsewhere.
Locals absolutely despise AFU for using their houses. Russia would fight AFU anywhere, but AFU chooses those places.

>>508055431
>Color me surprised
>>508054847
Why are you surprised then? Didn't you say that Putin is our puppet yourself just then? Yeah, we control him, so does our bidding, so I see no reason for you to be surprised. Unless you were not genuine about posting content above.

>>508055813
>we
No. You are here shilling at 6am. You comtrol fuck all.

>>508055636
>It's Ukraine's fault for defending their land
Are you actually retarded? What do you expect them to do. Let Russia walk into the cities unresisted? Do you think the Iraqis weren't holed up in Kuwait City, Basra, and Baghdad. But because America isn't retarded, it went around those cities, cut off massive numbers of troops, and largely avoided devastating street-to-street fighting. Fallujah being the notable exception because a bunch of Jihadis holed up in there.

>>508056039
>No. You are here shilling at 6am. You comtrol fuck all.
Yeah, we used to finance race-mixing, but that was a worthy investment, now those mutt-babies are all grown up - they're financing themselves, thus promoting further miscegenation! Amazing plan!

Communism - well, that's now behind us, we didn't people would take us that seriously, water under the bridge. Now we do mostly diversity, inclusion and that sort of stuff.

>>508056039
>You are here shilling at 6am.
are you on VPN? it's nearly 7am here, are you even from Estonia?

>>508056324
Sorry, you've been here coping for jewtin since 5am.

>>508056163
>What do you expect them to do.
Same things Russians do. Put up a fight in front of a city, and if that fails - evacuate those willing and abandon the city. Just like they did in Kherson for instance. Show a single city that was ruined during AFUs counter-offensive.

>>508056459
Kherson is because the Russians were retarded and got stuck on the wrong side of a river with one means of resupply. Kharkiv they got straight up outmaneuvered. Neither one of these are reflections of Russian altruism. If they really cared about limiting devastation they could just stop the invasion after all.

>>508056436
>Jewtin
Yes, that's what we lovingly call him in our Synagogue. For you he's Mr. Putin, you anti-semitic trash.>>508056758

>>508056758
>If they really cared about limiting devastation they could just stop the invasion after all.
By invasion you mean what happened in 2022? Because the war was going on since 2014, as earlier stats was showing.

>>508057232
Mine putsi, juut. Kuul pähe sulle :D

>>508057232
They should have stopped at Crimea and Donbas, nobody gave a fuck then and Russia probably could have kept them. Now because of Russia's retardation they're basically going to get that land, but at the cost of hundreds of thousands dead and millions maimed.

>>508057377
>They should have stopped at Crimea and Donbas
WHAT?! Lol, what are you even saying. It's Ukraine which was actively fighting for those before Russia intervened in 2022.
The decision to recognise Crimea and give Donbass autonomy was for Ukrainian gov to be made, and that surely would've stopped/prevented the war. Even now, the deal is on the table.

>>508057306
>Mine putsi, juut. Kuul pähe sulle :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKb7XIZW5Ws
Damn nazis, what are you gotta do.

>>508043271 (OP)
Trump won't help either but instead will cheer Russia on. Vova is making a big mistake being lazy by not invading the Baltic States now. Time to draft all the smug 20 something male fag Muscovites and get it done.

>>508057634
>just give up your territory bro
Absolute cuck shit, you're such a homo I can't believe I spent all this time arguing with your drivel.

>>508057634
>muh nazis
No, normies hate kikes globally thanks to the internet, Moishe. Zion Shekelgrabber can tongue my anus along with the degenerate """neonazis"""

>>508057707
>I can't believe I spent all this time arguing with your drivel.
We were arguing about Russias slow advancement in Ukraine was their tactics, or if they were genuinely incapable of a more aggressive fight - that would influence their stance in US-Iran conflict. That was nature of our argument. Nothing to do with "muh Territories".
But you got nothing to say, I suppose.

>>508057828
>normies hate kikes globally thanks to the internet, Moishe
Only deranged lonely lunatics like you do.

>>508058101
Even at ADL is at almost 50% global anti-semitism. That was January. I'm sure we're the majority by now :D i hope i'm the one to finish you off

>>508045652
cuck

>>508043271 (OP)
NICE TRY ZELENSKY! LOOKING FOR FREE HELP?! UR GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT KNOWLEDGE

>>508043271 (OP)
I would mass a group of 3.5 million men and advance on one giant front. This will be split into Army Group North, Army Group Centre and Army Group South. All one has to do is kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down.

>>508043675
Sweden by itself would fuck Russia up.

>>508043271 (OP)
Simple. Just kill a bunch of Russians.

>>508058528
Have you checked their numbers?
There's also the issue of their eligible population being over 40% migrants.
Every European country but Poland is like 1.5 Hitlers worth of militarization away from fighting a war.

>>508043271 (OP)
Total air superiority apparently can be had. They are basically Iran but with nukes

>>508043271 (OP)
Nafo falseflag thread. Lick my balls op

>>508043271 (OP)
nobody is capturing anything until an effective countermeasure for fly-by-wire FPV suicide drones is developed

Russia will put a violent end to Baltic separatism. You collaborate with america and you die. Simple

>>508045874
They bogged down and lost that territory piecemeal and then all at once. Their offensive literally petered out with the only thing of note taken being a supermarket. It wasn't even a complex maneuver, they rushed right down the highway and wasted men and materiel. Farthest you fags claimed was Berdin, which was lost in a fucking day and only "claimed" because Ukrainian vehicles got blown up there.
>Like how they sent in the North Koreans to die? Like how the Russians are being sent into the meat grinder? How much combat experience did Russians have other than taking parts of Georgia decades ago? Does China have combat experience? Ukraine has tons of drone experience in the last few years
Lol you're seething. You literally said they've been fighting for 3 years. They have 3 years of experience fighting with and against drones and they've already geared their economy for war. Lithuania does not have an economy that can survive war. They barely have a population.

>>508043271 (OP)
>Goetland
>Karelia & St. Petersberg & Murmansk

Their EWS targeting interference insufficiently degrades cruise missile targeting to prevent target neutralization-- they are systematically deep struck to a degree that creates a whole of front rout, and they're forced to practice what they doctrinally preach about graduated nuclear deployment and/or going balls to the wall on a general strategic exchange out of desperation. An actual 'Near' Peer would be less dangerous. Same applies to Red China and their faggot bioweapon and Sneed Tzu greyzone warfare bullshit.

>>508043271 (OP)
but why should I ?