Why did atheism fail?

>>508110736 (OP)
It's ultimately just as much of a leap of faith for an atheist to say, "There is no God!" as for a theist to say, "There is a God!" Both positions are utterly unfalsifiable and believed in by mongoloids that have no capacity to embrace the reality some things will always be ambiguous for our limited human understanding.

>>508110736 (OP)
The New Atheist movement of the 2010s forcefully associated atheism with SJWism/Wokeism.
All of the intelligent people in the atheist community immediately realized that they were being used to create a new, secular religion, rather than their actual goal of reducing the harm of the old religion. Therefore, the intelligent people left the movement, leaving only söycucks. All the women and their cucks went on to enforce this new secular religion, and it went mainstream for everybody to ridicule.

>>508110736 (OP)
>atheism
>A literal wall where nothing matters at all once death is knocking
>Death is getting close by
>Suddenly ideas an fears start to switch
Yes, I wonder why atheism always fail
Now, Christianity is bullshitting jew worshipping trash but atheism is just as gay as Fag parades (if not more)

>>508110736 (OP)
it offered only deconstruction without providing an alternative to religion

>>508110736 (OP)
christianity didn’t survive atheism — it absorbed it. christcucks are just functional atheists clinging to ritual and dogma because they’re too scared to face the void. they don’t believe in god — they believe in believing. that’s why they constantly justify, explain, defend. real faith doesn’t do that. theirs is dead — they just haven’t buried the body.

Atheism failed because God exists. The problem is that christians, muslims, and jews are all hellspawn who ruin the natural beauty of the world. And then people are so braindead that they need a label for a worshipper of God instead of just accepting everything is God's work. There's no need for religions.

Escalating system complexity of modern society inculcates schizophrenia in those arrogant enough to attempt to parse the torrent of dysinfo and psyop and retain any sense of morality or ideological consistency.

>>508110736 (OP)
The closer to shovel the closer to God man is

>>508111722
This. God is above man’s fallible religions especially Abrahamic schizo kikery

>>508110736 (OP)
They didn't fail, they only have 6% more to go then the two will be ever known as one. They really aren't fooling anyone at all like they think. Listen kid, back in the day we had a term for them called, "closeted" but the word went out of popular usage. It would be quiet interesting to see how many gaythesists are secretly addicted to trans p0rn.

>>508110736 (OP)
As long as there is theism there will atheism

>>508110736 (OP)
It is illogical.

>>508111973
>Listen kid, back in the day we had a term for them called, "closeted"
Many Christians are still in that closet

>>508110736 (OP)
His retarded leftist brain is short circuiting. This whole cultural christian thing is a way to be racist without being racist. Because white people in the west are typically associated with Christianity.

>>508112024
How?

>>508110978
Amen

>>508110978
Forgot to say fpbp.

>>508110736 (OP)

>>508110736 (OP)
They want to live in a Christian society without Christians.

>>508110736 (OP)
Because the concept it's cultivate on a clownish world control by Abrahamics, even Marxists are just a variation of Christkikes, OP.

>>508110736 (OP)
There is a realm of facts and a realm of values. Facts cannot imply an ought from an is. Splitting the atom is both a blessing and a curse, while the facts themselves don't care. As such an idea of "good" and "bad" must be construed. That's pretty much what religion is.

>>508112024
No, ilogical is following some rabbi rambling on some old papyrus kept on some forgotten cave on the desert about his ancestors, following that as your true is illogical.
Nice try golem-kun!

>>508111722
>God exists
To you

>>508110736 (OP)
Because even if atheists are right, who cares?

With or without physical gods, religion inspires more positivity community and confidence than living without it. Atheists believe it’s more important to be right than to be good

>>508111355
>implying the new atheist movement wasn’t a direct creation of the old atheist movement being short sighted retards
No fucking shit it turned into a new secular religion. That was the original criticism of atheism and they laughed it off as impossible. Boy did that blow up in their face.

>>508110736 (OP)
I'd argue it didn't, look at the tidal wave of faggotry and DEI shit

>>508110736 (OP)
because if an atheist says one prayer with sincerity to God, and asks for faith, they will get it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

>>508110978
No, it is not.
That's like saying it's a leap of faith to say there is no rainbow dragon orbiting Mars right now. Negating a massive unverifiable claim is logical, not faith.
You have exactly zero verifiable evidence that a god exists, so the simpler explanation is that he doesn't. Or do you also consider the possible existence of every single other thing anyone can imagine?

>>508110736 (OP)
In the God delusion, he says there would be more atheists if people weren't so ashamed because of social stigmas.
He proposed to look at the gay pride movement and draw inspiration from them, being proud atheists just like how gay men are now proud to be gay.
Not even fucking with you.
So this guy is pretty close lol. >>508111973

>>508110736 (OP)
There is no christian culture. Christianity practiced by US protestants , italians ,arabs and africans is wildly different and more in line with pre christian culture of these areas.

>>508111722
>Atheism failed because God exists.
How could that be true? There are many things that might exist which I know nothing of, and have no reason to believe exists (let alone any other mental state which the word "believe" might refer to). Those things existing wouldn't change anything about whether I "believe in them". If it's not true for something mundane and boring, why would it be true for God?

Atheism failed because (and I say this as an atheist myself) most self-identified atheists aren't even truly atheists. They're angsty teenagers butthurt that mommy made them get up early for Church on Sundays.

I simply have no belief, and I doubt anything in my life will occur to change that. No epiphanies, no miracles, and God definitely won't reveal himself to me. Even if he were real (why would he?). I get along with believers, and I don't make a big deal about any of this. Their beliefs (for the most part) don't seem to make their lives worse, or mine.

>There's no need for religions.

You say that. But I dare you to go see how worse it gets when there are none. Those people can't raise children, build functional civilizations, or even want to live.

>>508110736 (OP)
Maybe it's because atheists realized how ridiculous it is to be an atheist.
No, really. You have to be childish to believe in evolution and all the pseudoscience they created.
It's sad to see them trying to explain where the information necessary to create any living form comes from because they can only speculate about how life exists.

>>508111881
I am that I am.
>>508112469
God exists, man. If you haven't met God it's because your life adventure is still unfolding. Limitless love with no end awaits.

>>508110736 (OP)
Because it was being steered by Zionists the whole time. After a while it became clear that they were laser focused on Christianity while fanatical Jews and Muslims have been trying to kick off the Apocalypse for the last 80 years.

Atheist males commit suicide at a rate of 41%

41%!

Dang! That is a lot of suicide!

Muslims are an outlier in the opposite direction.

Islam is the Truth of God and the religion that God has commanded for us.

>>508113214
>God exists, man.
To you. That's cool bro. You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>508112453
You argue like a childish monkey.
Thank you for illustrating the point.

>>508112660
Yeah, just what we need, systemic child genital mutilation, pedo rape and congregations downplaying/defending it, child marriage, marital rape, religious privilege and special treatment baked into law, rapacious grifting that would make a wall st. trader circa 2006 blush, etc.

>>508113348
>Muslims are an outlier in the opposite direction
Suicide bombers are just that

>>508112913
excuse him he has limited monkey understanding

>>508113116
In defense of those teenagers, modern Church sucks. It's just sitting around listening to a fat spiritual jew. I miss temple prostitutes. Real communication with the divine is done through drugs and sex, introspection and intuition.
Civilization is a spook. As Ziggy Marley once sang, love is my religion.

>>508110736 (OP)
You can't base your world view on a negation and not expect to go extinct. It's called The Roe Effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_effect

>>508110736 (OP)
>Why did atheism fail?
It didn't. Finally stop seething about us Atheists. Beliefe what ever retarded bullshit you want to beleife and stop annoying us with that garbage.

>>508110736 (OP)
did it?
kekekekekekek

>>508110736 (OP)
Did it though? Most westerners are pretty much atheists, even the Christians are only LARPing they don't actually believe the religion

religion is beneficial for oligarchs because it keeps population dumb, obedient and ignorant.

>>508110736 (OP)
>I am a Cultural Christian.
That means that he doesn't believe in the a creator god who created sin just so that the king of the jews can swear humans from the consequences of that same sin. However, he still believes that Tyrone has a right to breed his wife and daughters.

>>508113813
Most westerners when push comes to shove say "Well, I don't necessarily think any religion has it right but I do believe in something."
You can almost get that line word for word for the majority of them.

>>508112024
>It is illogical.
The irony of a christcucks saying Atheism is illogical, while beliefing and a book that was written 2000 years ago in a desert, is full of contradictions and gets even more contradicted my every new step in the field of science, is just mental illnes at this point.
All of you theists are mentally ill and delusional.

>>508113896
>spare*

>>508110736 (OP)
>Why did atheism fail?
Did it? When you look at Religiosity, Christianity is on the decline while Atheism is on the rise. The only think that might have failed is the people who base their idea on atheism. But we're now far removed from the cringe atheism of Reddit. The Christians will likely become lolcows as the religion declines with spergs spouting CHRIST IS KING and going to all Hispanic Churches

>>508112913
>massive unverifiable claim

This is just your opinion, based on your faith about god being a "massive unverifiable claim".

>>508113721
>You can't base your world view on a negation of a coock book and not expect to go extinct.

>>508110736 (OP)
>Why did atheism fail?
Because lack of belief in an axiomatic moral worldview is not a replacement of one and most civil people need that to function especially as the slings and arrows of life accumulate

>>508112913
>No, it is not. That's like saying it's a leap of faith to say there is no rainbow dragon orbiting Mars right now. Negating a massive unverifiable claim is logical, not faith. You have exactly zero verifiable evidence that a god exists, so the simpler explanation is that he doesn't. Or do you also consider the possible existence of every single other thing anyone can imagine?

>>508110736 (OP)
The reason the “New atheist movement” of the early 2010s that Reddit atheists were involved in failed because all the logical people of the movement realized they were being used to create a new religion rather than their actual goal of reducing the harm of the old religion. They quit and as a result, the whole movement collapsed.
Like it or not, Humanity will always revert to some religion. If they’re not dancing to make the rainfall, they’re eating people’s hearts to appease the sun. It does not matter because even if there aren’t any gods, humans will create ones to worship anyways. Religion is simply something that can never go away regardless of whenever it’s true or false
What does matter is that it’s the job of the high IQ to steer people towards the one that’s the most utilitarian for humanity, which can change depending on circumstances, and for a while the most utilitarian one was Christianity.
But in my opinion, today it has outlived that usefulness. Most “Christians” today aren’t exactly super devout anymore and those that are tend to usually be TradCath larpers who complain about “degeneracy” while simultaneously jacking off to anime girls and weird Evangelicals who blindly bootlick Trump and fall for the most outrageous of conspiracies.
Since Christianity has outlived its usefulness, it’s time for a new religion.

>>508112913
Nah this is just a massive false equivalency, the anon you replied to is right and you're a midwit.

>>508112913
God is proven logically by the beginning and the end of existence. The very essence of transformation, of change, of life and death, it all leads back to God as the source. I would go as so far to say that only God exists. God is the only living being. Everyone and everything is God experiencing itself through constant dreams.

>>508113813
Like pakis like you belive anything. You just obey the poeple in power and thats it. If great mufti says alah wants your wife to suck his dick you force her to do it and dont question it.

>>508111449
>Death is getting close by
You will try to make peace with everything when death is approaching. For Dawkins he needs to make peace with the theists and God

>>508114083
>ignore the fact the secular western world is drowning in its contradictions and decaying into a hellscape ruled my malevolent retards
We’re not removed from the cringe reddit atheism at all. We are in the natural consequences of it.

>>508110736 (OP)
Didn't fail.

>>508114342
Your existence leads to my balls son.

>>508114086
If it wasn't unverifiable, it wouldn't be a religion.
It is a religion because it can't be verified, it relies on a retarded belief that adds complexity instead of explaining anything.
>my god made everything and wasn't created because things need to be created except my god because I said so
>le unmoved mover
>NO, THE UNIVERSE CAN'T JUST EXIST, BUT MY GOD CAN

>>508114252
>Since Christianity has outlived its usefulness, it’s time for a new religion.
No we just need to corral the dumber ones back into the Christianity box so our society can point to an underlying moral code again. You don't personally have to believe it - you just have to advance the cause. There's literally 0 point making a new religion when we already have one that does the job. We (highly intellectual people capable of poking holes in narratives) need to stop besieging Christianity beyond the bad actors like Ted Cruz and let the average person have spiritual belief again.

>>508113721
>ou can't base your world view on a negation and not expect to go extinct.
The sad truth is that it won't just be leftoids going extinct. They can convert your children to leftoidism far more quickly than you can replace them with more children. These fuckwits have doomed our entire species. Wait til your kid comes home from school and starts talking about how they'll adopt when they grow up because they don't need to have kids of their own, to save the planet or some stupid shit like that. And it's not just schools either, they've polluted everything and everywhere with antinatalist horseshit.

>>508113348
>(40/100,000)=.41

>>508114252
Paganism wasnt that much of a religion. It didnt really force special customs and norms. You has some ancient rituals that basicaly survived even today.
Like painting eggs on easter and standard celebration of seasons.

>>508111674
>christianity didn’t survive atheism — it absorbed it. christcucks are just functional atheists clinging to ritual and dogma because they’re too scared to face the void. they don’t believe in god — they believe in believing. that’s why they constantly justify, explain, defend. real faith doesn’t do that. theirs is dead — they just haven’t buried the body.

>>508112913
Congrats on being the only one in this thread who isn't a complete fucking moron.
>>508114086
So then provide verifiable proof or shut the fuck up retard

>>508110736 (OP)
Because it's not atheistic. It's just judaism.

>>508110736 (OP)
Because it's gay and they all kill themselves or die of overdose/aids

>>508110736 (OP)
He realised Christianity enables liberalism and the degeneracy he loves so much.

>>508110736 (OP)
>why did atheism fail?
Because God is real.

>>508110736 (OP)
>Christianity it the most tolerant religion
>hur dur by damaging Christianity I hurt Jews
>hur dur science will make up for my low white birth rates
>hur dur I never go to Saudi Arabia and smear The Prophet


Something is better than nothing.
The most retarded take is to say there is no God or gods when all of human history points to there being a spirit world.

It's possible to be an atheist Jew. It's not possible to be an atheist Christian. Think about it, there is no cultural Christian and Judeo Christianity is Zionist propaganda.

>>508112913
>>508114791
provide evidence of dark energy and quantum strings

>>508114252
>Most “Christians” today aren’t exactly super devout anymore and those that are tend to usually be TradCath larpers who complain about “degeneracy” while simultaneously jacking off to anime girls and weird Evangelicals who blindly bootlick Trump and fall for the most outrageous of conspiracies.


Every human being commits sins.
There will always be a gap between what christians preach and what they do, because christian morals are rules to approach the divine, often unfit for common human life. They preach ideals.
The very idea which religion should be an instrument to maximize pleasure and minimize pain is destructive and degenerated and such a nation would be subverted and conquered by another nation under a real religion.

>>508114476
God is the Universe, it was breathed into existence.

>>508110736 (OP)
If atheism is losing, why are all the religious people brown?

>>508114936
Why are you switching the topic from God to quantum mechanics, brainlet?

>>508110736 (OP)
psueds rideing the cotails of the enlightenment but not understanding the fact that the enlightenment was a product of its time

the great thinkers of the enlightenment were athiest is the sense they disagreed witht eh church and the logic of their time (many people talkin mad shit about stuff)

they simpily argued against that logic


the new age athiests sought to reinvent this idea but did nothing the athiest were not a product of their time
they were not railing against obtuse and flawed logic

they were not revolutionary individuals and they are not provideing good arguments

>>508114342
If your claim is that god is just the universe or the prime mover, it does not lead to the conclusion that the Abrahmic god is the prime mover.

It's more likely it's just a force of nature, and if you want to classify it as a entity of consciousness, it does not lead that what the religious texts tell you explicitly.
This god may never have had a relationship with us or any living being.

I believe everyone both theists and atheists falls short and fail on this everytime.
Either it's a debate a specific religion or religious dogma, or it's the philosophical idea of a prime mover or not.
There could be a prime mover, but christianity, judaism and islam are all false.

>>508110978
based as a pioneer of this kind of thinking im happy to see it spouted regularly

>>508115049
>costa rica brown monkey
>If atheism is losing, why are all the religious people brown?
Pottery.

>>508110736 (OP)
For the exact same reason that Christianity succeeded. Western cultural values encourage ingenuity, passion, patience, and humility. Other civilizations do not. The seven deadly sins never came from the Bible, it came from western civilizations take on Christianity.

>>508114505
My son is 25 and thinks this whole entire shit show should burn. He's working on himself and disregarding women(mostly). We do need to get this shit out of the mainstream due to the ancillary damage. The Amish and the Mormons will be taking over once the coming Boomer die off kicks into high gear.

>>508114791
>Congrats on being the only one in this thread who isn't a complete fucking moron.
He's only a partial fucking moron. If he weren't a moron ta all, he'd realize that while valid, his insight is childish and worded in a way designed to inflame. And what does it get him? Is he some billionaire? The President of Eurasia? Emperor of Planet Earth? He's as miserable as anyone else, and though he (or you) could never admit it, it's not much consolation that he's figured out this one little factoid about the universe. Can't use it to advantage, can't be happy, and gets whatever frustrated satisfaction he does manage out of trolly internet comments. Big fucking deal.

It might be more pleasant to get along with people, to get along with believers. If one honestly cannot believe even for want of it, that person should still wonder if they didn't get the short end of the stick for all that. Could they believe, they might be happier. The idea that they win at life for figuring out that there are no deities is as absurd as the idea that there are actual deities.

>>508114476
You can't verify if the universe just existed before too, yet you claim it is the case. This is called faith, don't matter how you try to spin it.

>>508115052
provide verifiable proof of your positivist metaphysical assumptions before you invoke le russell's teapot, jeet

>>508115169
Address the argument not the person, Ahmed Almudillah

>>508111674
This is inverted 100%
Its the “no god” in the middle in reality.

>>508115131
Prime mover is an unfinished argument, he is also end stage of the universe because all evolution leads to the perfect being. All religions point to some aspects of God but never all of them because it's just too much for our limited lifespan to digest. And the point of our life is a video game to God. The best RPG he could possibly make.

>>508114088
>>You can't base your world view on a negation of a coock book and not expect to go extinct.
CHECKED
flag checks out

>>508115387
What the fuck are you talking about, faggot? You claim God's existence can be proven, so provide proof or sit the fuck down and stop crying.
And lmao @ some brownoid calling me a jeet.

>>508110736 (OP)
tries to replace God with human beings like Karl Marx
turns out humans make really shitty gods, dead humans even more so

>>508115389
I don't deal with oxymoronic brown beaners with zero self-awareness. You can't make a statement like that when you yourself are a brown atheist.. puts you in a bad light and makes you look dishonest.

>>508115438
>because all evolution leads to the perfect being
That's not how it works my friend

>>508115438
This sounds like the idea of the world being a dream or theatrical play by Brahman where he plays the role of Atman in all living and non living things.

>>508110736 (OP)
>Why did atheism fail?
take one look at reddit

>>508110736 (OP)
>I am a Christian who doesn't believe in God
Why is this kind of heresy allowed?

>>508114088
kek

>THIS BOOK IS SO UNINPORTANT ITS MY LIFES WORK TO DISPROVE AND DISCREDIT IT

>what about all the other books

>ERRM S SURE ERR LETS FOCUS ON THAT ONE BOOK IM DEVOTEING MY LIFE TO THOUGH

>o ok

>THIS GIVES MY LIFE MEANING

>h hold on there buddy isnt this supposed to be not impo

>NOTHING COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN

>this is cringe just stop seek god.

>>508115359
I am not claiming it is true, I'm just saying it is a simpler, thus preferable, explanation than adding a god.

>>508115224
The seven sins are all listed as evil on the bible, they are just not categorized under that name. Old catholic church created them anyway.

>>508115598
Anyone absolutely can make truthful claims even if they include the speaker themselves.
Several blacks admit blacks have higher crimerate.
Is the statement suddenly invalid if it come from a black speaker? Of course not Muhammad.

>>508115608
Think larger scale.
>>508115642
That's the truth right there. It is a play, very convincing one too. This VR headset we have put on is really amazing at fooling you into thinking this isn't all just God. Perfect if I do say so myself.

>>508110736 (OP)
Basically... because its false.

>>508110736 (OP)
The leading atheist apologists are all tranny lovers. Matt Dillahunty fucks his tranny boyfriend every night and yet you still have people that take him seriously.

>>508110978
False, one method of thought is underpinned by faith, the other by evidence.
An atheist can’t point to evidence, but. Theist can point to faith. If either tries to do the opposite, they are rightfully mocked.

An atheist taking a leap of faith in uncouth, while it is normal for a theist.
The atheist is concerned with evidence while the theist is not.

These are not equal thought processes. It’s fine for you to call either one wrong or both stupid, but the atheist position is decidedly more wrong and more stupid.

The only reason one doesn’t see this is because they are applying the wrong standards to one or both groups.

>>508110736 (OP)
Evolution is fake'n gay. What developed first, the circulatory system, the lungs or your heart? These systems only work with eachother and theirs no point for any of them to develop through natural mutation because individually they serve no purpose. Atheists believe that if you leave a bucket of wet sand in the sun for long enough, a human will emerge. It's retarded.

>>508110978
fippy bippy

>>508110736 (OP)
and flawed... to gest hint imply there's nothing is beyond glib.

>>508110978
you're committing autism in thinking, adult men are thinking go back to stimming in the back of the basement

>>508115786
do this anon

>do you think you can eventually understand everything useing the scientific method
^
if this is true you belive eather the method yourself or something else is "god"


Do you not belive this
^
then you belive their are things beyond human comprehension and have the balls to say it cannot be god

If you belive the first point but dont see the need to add the word god then listen to what you think


given enough time and resources man will become indistinguishable from the idea of god.

that you dont agree with


this btw is just the inverse athiest attack
i litterly coined it but im sure im not the first

its base logic this is normal argumentation you would expect teenagers to figure this out

Atheism = sodomy

>>508110736 (OP)
It's a parasite religion. It lives off the virtues and systems of other religions while seeking to destroy them.

>>508112090
>arachnophobic? that means you want to fuck spiders

>>508115566
If you want to find God immediately you must be still of the mind and get yourself some magic mushrooms. Open up your heart to God. Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door shall be answered.

>>508110736 (OP)
Because everyone got too caught up in the "off diagonal" quadrants
>evolution is real and therefore religion is false
>religion is true therefore evolution is false
and ignored the quadrant which actually matters, which is that evolution is real and that atheism puts you at a massive evolutionary disadvantage. Destroying christianity didn't bring about an atheist utopia, it just created a vacuum for islam, communism, fascism etc to expand into, and the fragmented nature of the post-christian world guarantees future conflict. You can feel it right now. LA riots, NI riots, French riots, infighting over Israel vs Iran etc. The atheist future is not enlightenment, it's just a big tournament to determine what the next dominant religion will be.

>>508115325
>My son is 25 and thinks this whole entire shit show should burn
My 16 yr old daughter talks to me about the fertility crisis. Asks me how it can be fixed. I tell her I don't know, that it's not her problem (alone) to fix. But she's concerned. I tell her that her children must absolutely be homeschooled, and that media usage must be carefully supervised. We discuss practical, individual matters mostly.
>The Amish and the Mormons will be taking over once the coming Boomer die off kicks into high gear.
If the rest of us go extinct, they can't make it on their own. They go extinct too. Especially the Amish. People look at their fertility rates now and think that it must continue like that forever, what would change about the Amish that would lower those? Well, nothing need change about the Amish. The Amish benefit from living among us. They don't weave their own cloth, they don't build their own tractors (most now use tractors with steel, not rubber, wheels), they can't even make iron nails. Ever seen an Amish iron foundry? How in the hell do you build a barn in a day without nails? Once we're all gone, their way of life suffers, and so does their fertility, or their ability to thrive is massively reduced when they no longer have access to the technologies that make that possible.

>>508115951
>Perfect if I do say so myself.
We could argue about that one.

>>508115951
>Think larger scale.
I am. You limited it

>>508116102
btw if anybody has a rebuttal for this im all ears

normal lines of argumentation lead to something akin to the first post and hone in on the word

Belif
evidence or lack their of are a belif based system then ad nausium you are no different to what you oppose

>>508116133
Here comes the strawman
>>508116133
>It's a parasite religion.
Nah, just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>508110736 (OP)
It was always a form of childish rebellion against your own society aimed at murdering it. Invariably people either realize this and quietly abandon it, or they double down on it and become unserious and disintegrate.

>>508116121
Amen sister

>>508116161
>If the rest of us go extinct, they can't make it on their own
They've been surviving since the 1700s....I would think a loss of modern tech would be a boon to them, not a set back.

>>508116350
I know you are just posting cope but the facts remain,
Sodomy is not allowed in Christianity.
Sodomy is allowed in Atheism.

A sodomite larping as a Christian will always be a larper and will never be accepted by Christians. But a sodomite will always be accepted by atheists. All those sodomites that march in the streets desecrating Christianity are atheists and they do it because Christianity condemns them.

>>508116920
>I know you are just posting cope
Nothing cope about it my man.
>Sodomy is not allowed in Christianity
Still.happens
>Sodomy is allowed in Atheism
It has nothing to do with athiesm or it would be limited to only atheist. It isn't
>A sodomite larping as a Christian will always be a larper
And it will be irrelevant to atheism

>>508116161
>society collapses
>amish have to figure out how to weave and hold lumber together to survive
>(you) have to figure out those two things and literally everything else the Amish already know

They will be fine.

>>508117125
You're a sodomite aren't you. Your butthole is ruined isn't it?

"Atheism" isn't an unfalsifiable belief system, just the recognition that there is no reason to believe in supernatural fairy tales. Believing in gods because you're afraid to die and want them to transform you into a ghost that will live forever in another world after you die is the ultimate cope. That is the only reason anyone is still Xian in the 21st century. Science doesn't claim to be able to explain everything. You by contrast pretend to know something no one knows and just call it "god." Pathetic.

>>508117413
There is no bigger fairy tale then the one about the universe farting itself into existence

Atheism failed to deliver on promises and wasn't honest when it attacked christianity but left judaism alone.

>>508113419
Keep going with your delusions, mutt-golem.
The only ilustrated thing is your collection of rabbi fairy tales. 95% of the stories are fake, 5% are stolen from older civilizations.
That's the limit of your (((knowledge))) about the universe (kek), that's basically nothing since your kike-book doesn't describe the universe, but a primitive understanding about a little piece of the desert on earth, it doesn't even account for all the continent or earth.
In synthesis, any theist book out there including yours has total dissonance with reality.
you'll never be white or human, golem. it's what it's.

>>508117224
>You're a sodomite aren't you
No, I think it's fucking gross and is bad for the participants and society

>>508117718
Are you 12? No, really. Re-read what you wrote, if you don't feel any cringe I feel sorry for you.

>>508117664
>Atheism failed to deliver on promises
It never made any

>>508110736 (OP)
Why is OP a faggot?

>>508116885
>They've been surviving since the 1700s
Sure, but only a fool says "that means they'll survive forever". They survive in a particular, peculiar circumstances... that of living within a greater civilization. It allows them to thrive despite their inability to provide for themselves directly the things they need to thrive. Or survive. If the greater civilization collapses, this doesn't leave them in a good place. They probably scrape by for a few more centuries, but they too then become extinct.
>.I would think a loss of modern tech would be a boon to them
They use all sorts of modern technology. This should be obvious. You see them wearing clothes... but where are the Amish textile mills (turns out they're in China, like all textile mills). They build with iron nails, but do not mine iron ore. They use tractors (go look at google pictures).There are no Amish John Deere factories. Even even have refrigerators more often than not. They were never against those, by the way, but against being hooked up to the electrical grid (didn't want to be entangled with us "English"). So now they'll have a few solar panels, or in some places specialty shops modify fridges to run off small diesel generators. Losing all this tech hurts them. And their religious beliefs are rigid enough that they'd much rather try to cope with losing them, than to try to replicate the technology (not that they could, anyway). They're really, really fucked. All this technology let's them have 7 or 8 children (sometimes more). But the biggest setback of all would be the lose of modern medicine... Amish women currently don't die in childbirth at the same rate they did in the 1700s. And it lets their fertility rates climb as impressively high as they have.

>>508110978
Atheism is not the assertion there is no God no matter how many times you idiots want to define it that way.

>>508110736 (OP)
Cultural christian in Europe means being baptized when you're 3 months old and not stepping into a church until you're in your 20s to go apostate.

>>508110978
These are Greek words that have literal translations:
Theist - BELIEVES in gods
Anti-Theist - BELIEVES there is no god
Atheist - DOES NOT BELIEVE in any gods.

>>508116315
Look up what strawman is before you post here

>>508118043
>atheists actively campaign for atheism
>They promise a more rational, better society with atheism
>it made no promises
kek

The whole idea that free will is undoubtedly a thing to a certain extent just makes it very hard to believe in a nihilistic universe to me.
It’s as if our consciousness or just presence of sentient life goes hand in hand with the concept of soul and spirits.

>>508111674
>>508115423
Actually, Dawkins is peak midwit. If Reddit was a person it would just like be him.

>>508118372
>oh shit, my argument sucks
*ESAU GAMBIT ACTIVATES*
>heh, now my retardation is associated with another group that does not exist, and you can’t criticize me for it

Truly pathetic.

>>508118035
Nah, he’s 100% right

>>508113348
What is the ratio of all god believers versus non-believers?

>>508117130
>>amish have to figure out how to weave and hold lumber together to survive
>They will be fine.
Fucktard, they have to figure that out without all the modern technology we have now, because they aren't going to spin up all the factories that the rest of the world has to produce those things. You're mentally a stupid nigger.

Before modern technology allows us to shit out cloth by the hundreds of miles of fabric per day, the work of women was spending 12 to 14 hours a day, most days of the year, weaving and knitting by hand. Spinning fucking yarn by hand for fuck's sake. I just watched someone shear sheep for an entire morning a few weeks ago, he was just starting his career, I think he got about a dozen done in the morning (someone more experienced could do nearly 100 a day). If he didn't have electric shears, he'd get 8 done in a day, if he were good at it. It's ridiculously labor intensive. And don't even get me started on cotton. If they had to rely on themselves for cloth, they either have to go naked or they spend so much time doing it that they're not growing the other crops they need and doing the other work they need to do.

Ever see a Japanese woodworker do joinery? Beautiful shit, absolutely gorgeous. Work fit for kings. Needs no nail, needs no glue. And they're so fucking slow. Perfect work, done carefully. Does that sound like "build a barn in a day" to you?

If they could somehow manage to replicate any of this on their own, they're not spending so much more of their time, effort, and resources on it, that that time, effort, and resources aren't available for other things. They other things that let them afford to keep 8 children clothed, fed, and healthy. Their fertility rate will drop. It can't not.

>>508118475
>Look up what strawman is before you post here
It's what you did bud
>does another strawman
Go home kid

>atheism failed
damn, must have missed it, god proving their existence I mean

>>508110978
Says the Hylic.

>>508119031
You'd think there'd be something on the news about it.

>>508119141
>only my definition of God can be immaterial
Grow up

>>508118870
>Oh no how the fuck will the Amish ever survive if
*checks notes*
>It takes two days to build a barn and women have sewing circles again!?!?

I’m absolutely baffled why you have resigned yourself to being a histrionic faggot. You even provided yourself that joinery is a custom much older than nails, but for some reason you think your heirloom quality craft projects on YouTube are comparable to the utilitarian nature of a barn.

I just.l. I really don’t understand how you typed all that out without blushing.

>>508110736 (OP)
Atheism is simply a lack of belief in God. It doesn't have a criteria for success or failure.

>>508119743
This anon gets it

>>508118359
It literally is you retard. Go cut your kids genitals off and have a polycule because jews told you to.

>>508119728
>It takes two days to build a barn and women have sewing circles again!?!?
No, it won't take "two days to build a barn". You're too ignorant to possibly understand that. Either the quality of the structure takes a dive, or the duration of construction balloons out two or more orders of magnitude. And a "sewing circle" doesn't make cloth, fuckwit. This isn't cross-stitch. They have to devote more of their limited, finite resources to even raising fiber crops, then some very large fraction of all their available man-hours (woman-hours) to cleaning fiber, carding, spinning, and weaving. The Amish women aren't sitting around on their asses today watching soap operas... they're already busy. Something has to give, some other work has to go undone. This indirectly reduces fertility. If any of this shit were trivial, they wouldn't rely on non-Amish to do it, they'd already be doing it themselves.

>>508119728
>You even provided yourself that joinery is a custom much older than nails,
Because I actually understand that fucking joinery well enough to know that it's only performed by masters who spend their entire fucking lives specializing and learning to do it, and even after they have mastered the craft, it is not a quick process. It is no substitute (never mind the fucking theological implications... the Amish don't look kindly on things like "buttons for clothes" because they're considered, get this, "too ostentatious"). A Japanese art form as perfectionist as their style of joinery isn't compatible with Amish customs even in times of desperation. Not that they'll have any time to do any of this when they're back to pulling a 1 row plow with a mule, instead of the 150hp tractor doing 16 rows at once. Even their ability to feed themselves will be reduced significantly.

None of this occurs to you because mentally you are a stupid nigger. You have a nigger-sized brain, and you went to a nigger-filled public school. Shut the fuck up and quit masturbating about how the Amish have solved the demographic collapse. They're as dead as everyone else.

>>508112913
Faggot jungle monkey. Stfu

The only reason any of you shill Christianity is to own the libs. Nobody unironically believes those fairy tales for NPCs.

>>508111355
Most people don't know that the atheist movement had its own gamergate shit before videogames and movies got infested with SJW. It crumbled immediately because the base was 99% libtard anyway.

>>508113348
If you can't even read a graph, you shouldn't be posting it to make a point.
Now everyone knows you're retarded.

>>508113348
>suicide is le bad!
>you must stay and suffer because just because ok!

>>508111355
I thought this was a psyop to destroy both Atheist and Ancap philosophies, because they plus OWS were coalescing into something scaring the shit out of wall street, the deepstate, and jews: loss of faith in the 'state' institution.

God is a byproduct of human imagination, it doesn't exist in any of it's variants. Pivoting between existance or nonexistance like agnostics do doesn't make sense because everything that doesn't exist needs to be proven to exist anyways and said thing is irrelevant insofar this condition is not met. That's how I know I'm an atheist and I don't really care the opinions of people that use that as a front to push some other political point of view. Atheism is not a political party, it's a logical conclusion on the non existance of deities.

>>508112300
Chinese sending dumb americans on superstitious [soft] counterintelligence goose chase to waste their time and energy.

>>508110736 (OP)
>Why did <false tautology>
Because OP is fake and ghey

>>508113419
DEATH TO JESUS CHRIST!

>>508110736 (OP)

Atheism doesn't offer lonely white men a way to blame anything for their misfortune. Since it's caused by an addiction to the Internet and social media and they'll never turn away from the real problem they retreat to archaic systems where women are oppressed and forced to 'play ball.'

>>508110736 (OP)
Because they decided to make their faith about hedonism.
There were loads of options on the table. The search for truth, building a legacy, spreading humanity to the stars, whatever. But they chose buttsex.

Atheism became "fuck you dad, you can't tell me what to do".
Man needs faith and purpose.

>>508121106
>The only reason any of you shill Christianity is to own the libs.
My kids became friends with those of another family. It's been awhile, we spend most holidays and birthdays together, not to mention just hanging out. They're pleasant to be around, we're alot like them. They go to church though, and are rather devout. Even pious might not be too strong. I like them. I sort of hope my son ends up marrying their girl.

I don't know that christianity could ever be for me. But I've seen what the people like who hate christianity, and I think I've chosen whose side I'm on. Theirs. And if it "owns the libs", that's just a bonus.

>>508110736 (OP)
when they didn't tell (((atheism+))) to fuck off

>>508110736 (OP)
from expirnece, its because Catholicism was king at the time and being an atheist was cool and "sticking it to the man". Now that Catholicism is being replaced with Islam people are waking up to thier actions and how many of them just wanted to stick it to thier parents because it was cool at the time.

>>508118359
I concur; atheism in it's very nature is not a worldview nor an assertion, but rather an emotional response to reasonable evidence of God's existence. By extension you can say atheism is in fact an emotional response to all that is divine, supernatural, and spiritual. Atheism is not built on evidence, nor is it built on proofs, reason or logic, but in denying any and all presented cases for divinity, deity and the existence of God, they shew in themselves that atheism is in fact a belief. Specifically, the belief that God does not exist, nor does any deity or spiritual realm. No atheist has ever presented a valid case against theism, neither will they ever, because the universe's very existence is evidence of God's existence and nothing cannot create everything. Atheism is only successful in presenting emotional appeals. For that they cannot be called experts or pundits; they are merely critics of God. Who are you, you lowly speck of dust, to question and criticize the actions of the Almighty?

>>508110736 (OP)
Secularism is on the rise globally, retard.

>>508110736 (OP)
However truly the atheist can twist the knife of our obvious divine abandonment the complete and flawless victory of the devil is marred only by failure of his own policies at this point and its obviousness is consequently only debatable to those unwilling to accept it

>>508110736 (OP)
Atheism DIDN'T fail! We are still here fighting the christcucks like always. Some of us became pagan and some of us are just atheists but we like the gods of our forebears and the imagery and pagan culturalism.

>Devon Stack and Adam Green against christcucks!
Devon Stack and Adam Green against christcucks!
>Devon Stack and Adam Green against christcucks!
Devon Stack and Adam Green against christcucks!
>Devon Stack and Adam Green against christcucks!
Devon Stack and Adam Green against christcucks!

Support them as much as you can, guys!
https://x.com/Know_More_News/status/1935035070542446959

Christcucks are attacking Devon Stack for exploring his sexuality in his youth and saying this is the only reason why he hates the christuck cunt-god and they post screenshots. If you see that, then report the post for "Abuse & Harassment". X is on our side and they will remove it, but we need more ppl to clean up this abuse and harassement of Devon Stack, and also if they say Adam Green is a Jew or fake Scandinavian Viking.

Also Lucas Gage is an atheist and he posted hard posts why he is an atheist on X.

>>508120488
NOOOO NOT THE HECKING QUALITY OF THE STRUCTURE!

WHILE YOU ARE STARVING TO DEATH BEING EATEN BY FERAL NIGGERS, THOSE POOR AMOSH WILL HAVE A REDUCTION IN BARN QUALITY!

seriously though, consider suicide or sterilization.

>>508120902
I actually PERFORM joinery, you stupid faggot; and I’m far from a master.
>it’s an art form!!!
It’s a fucking craft, the fact that your knowledge comes solely from pretentious YouTube fags makes you a perfect example of the dunning Krueger effect.

Guess how the Amish built barns before they had nails, you stupid fucking fag.

>>508120284
>It literally is you retard

>>508115072

Well put, there was also an argument that enlightenment ideals weren't inherently Christian and the last 5-10 years has proven that removing Christianity from society the enlightenment values disappeared as well.

>>508110736 (OP)
Because it's just a derivative of Christjewry from the Karl Marx/Dawkins of Rome.

>not believing in fairy tales is as bad as believing in fairy tales, therefore atheism bad.
Christcucks aren't good at logic, but that's no surprise.

>>508112913
got the double digit IQs seething
well done

>>508125670

>>508125670
>>508125670

>>508110736 (OP)
Cause they began treating science as a religion.
Then like all religions, they became corrupted and ideological.
Then they used any power they had to silence dissent.
Then those same atheists realized that removing faith in god makes the government and political ideology God in the eyes of the faithless because that is the next abstract idea that has accepted higher authority....

>>508125706
He's right though. Claims have no value if you can't back them up with evidence.

>>508125947
i'm agreeing with him

>>508110736 (OP)
Rent free. You can't reverse knowledge. The idea of god is worthless if it is optional and didn't get inoculated in childhood.

>>508110736 (OP)
The reality is that Atheism is not a rational position.

The atheist believes what he does out of trauma, butthurt and anger at God.

A lot of it is a reaction to insane protestant cults, which is understandable as a kneejerk reaction but ultimately with a shred of self reflection the true cause of one's atheism will be apparent.

You don't argue logic with an atheist, you look them in the eyes and tell them "it's not your fault" and hug them like their Dad never did.

>>508125704
You completely misunderstood the argument. Atheism is an emotional reaction to being presented with reasonable evidence for the existence of God. Atheists choose to not believe because their feelings dictate their thoughts, whereas theists can be put into two groups; those who logically come to the conclusion that God exists, and those who have had a personal experience.

>>508126207
Another moronic strawman

>>508110736 (OP)
He talked so much shit can he even redeem at this point?

>>508113425
>suggest religion might be good
>atheist cuck spergs out

>>508126302
Where is your reasonable evidence? You "feel" that it's there? That's not evidence, those are just your thoughts.

The second anyone with above or below midwit IQ actually digs into the atheistic worldview, it immediately falls apart.

Materialism is retarded, and provides no account for consciousness. Secular ethics have no justification, and what follows is that an atheist has no actual principles. Even if they claim to have them, they are as arbitrary as believing you are a woman if you cut your dick off.

The end result is either postmodernism or nihilism.

The end result of postmodernism is a self defeating worldview, saying everything is subjective is an objective claim

The end result of nihilism is solipsism, plugging your ears at the Truth and screaming into the void.

The Truth asks something of you, and nothing terrifies the inner child of the atheist more than that.

>>508111674
>christcucks are just functional atheists
Wrong! christcucks are dysfunctional nihilists (much like democrats) - whereas based Christians are actually functional atheists.

>>508125105
>WHILE YOU ARE STARVING TO DEATH BEING EATEN BY FERAL NIGGERS, THOSE POOR AMOSH WILL HAVE A REDUCTION IN BARN QUALITY!
When there are no more John Deere tractors to farm their fields, they'll get 8 bushels per acre of wheat, not 60 bushels. When there are no tractors, they'll farm far fewer acres too. When their wives die in child birth and they only average 3 per couple, when their lack of prosperity indicates to them that they're not living their lives as they're supposed to and they abandon their customs and religion, they'll be in the same boat as everyone else was, just delayed 50 or 80 years.
>>508125363
>I actually PERFORM joinery, you stupid faggot; and I’m far from a master.
Bald-faced lie. If you did, if you were even slightly familiar with it, then you wouldn't be acting as if there's an acceptable substitute for goddamned iron nails when someone wants to put up a haybarn. They're not Mexican day laborers trying to build something as slow as they can, and they sure as hell won't have sharp-as-a-katana wood chisels like a Jap would use for that stuff. But sure, they'll just "learn to build without nails".
>It’s a fucking craft,
But the Amish don't want or need a craft. When they put up structures like that, they're wanting to MANUFACTURE the cheapest/quickest/most-basic thing they can. It works because if they can get it done in a day, they can go back to their regular work. They only need each in their village to give a day's worth of work to put it up. They can go fuck off to farming again. These two things aren't equivalent.
>Guess how the Amish built barns before they had nails
The goddamned Romans had nails, niggerlicker. There was a trove of (rusted) nails dug up in Roman-era England a few years back, nearly 2000 years old. The Amish, even in the early days, had nails. Fewer of them, they were expensive. So they built fewer buildings. Fewer buildings puts constraints on growth.

>>508126385
Why are you an atheist?

>>508126618
>Materialism
Has nothing to do with atheism.

Maybe learn what atheism means before you write paragraphs of strawman

>>508126967
Because I lack belief in God or gods

>>508126613
The teleological, ontological, and cosmological arguments for the existence of God are well known and have been around for a while. However, how exactly God reveals Himself to humanity is only possible to prove with personal experience. Thus I invite you to at least read the Gospel according to John.

>>508110736 (OP)
>One of the top atheists bending the knee.
That's gotta hurt.

>>508127071
John was a kike and so was Jesus.


I invite you to jump into an oven head first.

>>508127019
Are you not a materialist?

>>508127061
That's a cop out. No one can hurt you here.

Why do you lack a belief in God or gods?

>>508127175
If your only objection to Jesus is that you don't like his appearance, you are not serious in seeking truth, and thus you once again prove that all objection to God is based on one's emotions.

>>508127466
*and willful ignorance might I add

>>508112689
>look at the tidal wave of faggotry and DEI shit
Exactly. These are the after effects of Christians switching to doomer nihilistic ideologies.
Many Christians who have remained based are actually functional atheists—they haven’t been mentally broken by the possibility that there might not be a God

>>508127175
The final form of the atheist.

When presented with the very evidence he claims doesn't exist, he doesn't even respond to it, just screams into the void from the existential pain of not having a strong father.

If you could for the class provide a rebuttal for the transcendental argument for God, We'll wait

>>508127436
>Are you not a materialist?
Explain what means to you >>508127436
>That's a cop out
Incorrect. It's the truth. My lack of belief can be turned to belief if I'm convinced enough
>Why do you lack a belief in God or gods?
I'm not hurt my man. Are you? Do you have something you want to talk about?

I don't believe because I'm not convinced

>>508110736 (OP)
>>508127144
>he saying he accept his christcuck origins must mean that he's a christcuck now!
kek, you faggots miss the
>cultural
part, he's still a atheist. Of course the father of memetic would understand the role of culture, but I think he's missing the point, a problem of perspective, his was shelter his whole life, after all he grew up on a white world.
Not on a shitskin infested cesspool.
Nice cope, christcucks! Keep coming!

>>508127640
>If you could for the class provide a rebuttal for the transcendental argument for God, We'll wait
It's presupposition that assumes God. Where you can replace god with any made up figure and the argument remains

It's an argument from God of the gaps. You don't know how it started so you assume your favorite flavor of god did it

>>508110736 (OP)
“Cultural” Christian means white supremacist and social conservative who likes the architecture of old church buildings it has fuck all to do with actually believing the mythology

Atheism and christcuckery are the sides of 1 jew coin.

If you are an atheist your religion is to worship jewish "scientists" that got their labels and degrees through their jewish nepotism. Oh and also that 1 nigger american scientist with a mustache lol. They made him a superstar to promote nigger "diversity"

If you are a christcuck you just worship a jew named Yahwe Jeebzus lol.
And you also worship some weird jewish foreskin obsession and read how "god" commanded some jew to cook breand using human shit as a fuel lol

>>508128004
>white supremacist
nobody but jews and leftists use that term. it's just a strawman to suppress nationalism

>>508127640
>make up tooth fairy character
>please for the class disprove this tooth fairy character I made up you can't

>>508126742
Alright I’m just about fucking done here.
You are crying and lamenting the destruction of Luddite farmers (in the form of no nails and less fabric).

Meanwhile your ass can’t do literally anything for yourself. You are going to be dead in 2 weeks and they will be fine unless they are razed to the ground (highly likely, but somehow not as big of a concern to you as nails and fabrics).

You are literally too stupid to be real.

>>508128004
yeah that's pretty much it

>>508110736 (OP)
It evolved into transgenderism

>>508128117
I'm a unitarian

>>508127878
>You don't know how it started so you assume your favorite flavor of god did it
Yes, it is a presupposition, but only because we have a book describing in elaborate detail the creation of the world by God. What one does with presented evidence is take that claim and put it to test. Yet instead of the Bible being taken as a source and debunking it, it is completely ignored and it's nature mocked. Thus in a way you aren't arguing the existence of God, but in fact the validity of a book that claims to be the word of God.
I suppose presupposition implies that God is the only logical explanation for our own existence. You can say "what gods?" all you want, but that in itself is not an argument against theism.

>>508128117
>make up tooth fairy character
The Bible doesn't claim that it was made up, it claims to be the very word of God. Disprove that claim before smearing God as a fairy tale.

>>508110736 (OP)
>i realised retarded inbred muslims will decapitate me and i'm too much of a pussy to criticize something important if its not supported by the state.

>>508128284
>but only because we have a book describing in elaborate detail the creation of the world by God.
>elaborate detail
No lol
>>508128284
>that God is the only logical explanation for our own existence
To you. I see no reason why we aren't in an external cycle of entropy

>>508127765
>When Christians talk about how Christianity affects culture
>"Cope Christcuck."
>When Dawkins says talks about
>"It's not the same"
You mutts are worse than the Americans.

>>508128418
>it claims to be the very word of God. Disprove that claim before smearing God as a fairy tale.
Well the burden is on the one making the claims

>>508127640
Why christcucks are so unbelieable retarded? The god creator of the universe, and the deity of your kike fairy book are not the same thing, never will be.
Don't compare the immense and majestic universe that's eternal and timeless with your stupid bronze age kike made up origin story that you follow despite not being a kike.
Ffs.
You and any religious tard for that matter have no right to talk about the creator of the universe, because you cannot even see the whole universe, you live on a total delusion.
Agnostic and Atheist are at least on the same level in terms of reality, you religious tards, specially abrahamic from one of the 1000+ christcuck sects are clearly not it.
Is the equivalent for your little brain to understand of.. I guess there's no comparison I was gonna make a reference to a famous book franchise and politics but is not even close, because there's no way you can reference a comparison of made up bullshit (religions) with the universe. Is just not possible, not equivalent found. The difference is just too immense.

>>508110736 (OP)
Atheism never failed, because it was never big. Praise Jesus Christ, amen.

>>508128524
Believers try to shift the burden of proof, every time, without fail.

>>508128720
100%

>>508127744
>Explain what means to you
All that exists is matter, and all phenomena can be reduced to the actions of matter. A rejection of metaphysics generally speaking.

>My lack of belief can be turned to belief if I'm convinced enough
The way you word it is if you don't feel strongly about the existence of God, where your many posts in this thread indicate otherwise. If it's merely some lack of belief, you would see a thread like this and move on. I'm not convinced your "lack of belief" is genuine, in many such cases it's a basic psychological defense mechanism to avoid personalizing the real issue at hand.
>I'm not hurt my man. Are you? Do you have something you want to talk about?
So you say, I don't believe that for a second. No need to project.
>>508127878
This isn't true. You couldn't replace God with Zeus in that argument. Zeus is never considered to have all of the properties that TAG asserts. Polytheistic or dualistic worldviews would not be compatible with TAG.

You could for example, make up some figure like the Pink Unicorn that has all the properties, but even then, what's the ontological difference between it and God? It's merely changing the label on the box.

TAG isn't arguing for Christianity, it's arguing for basic metaphysics.
>>508128117
That's what's called a strawman, class.

>>508128476
Affect in a bad way retard, the manifestation of Dawkins itself as a individual is a sign of a improvement that didn't need to be in the first place. If Greek and roman culture had prevail, there was no need to wait for thousands of years to reach current state.
Christianity destroy white culture and then let back "in" on a total distorted way on the molds of the cult.
>christcuck will never admit having responsibility on the existence of clown world
after all, that would mean you're not the victimerino anymore, and how could you role-play under such conditions? Unacceptable!

>>508110736 (OP)

>>508128453
>I see no reason why we aren't in an external cycle of entropy
Ok, but explain to me where matter comes from.
>>508128524
Proofed in my heart :) The resurrection of Jesus reveals to us God's very nature and being. Thus one must DISPROVE Jesus to disprove the Bible as the word of God.

>>508128629
So you believe in a creator of the universe.

How did you come to this conclusion?

This dichotomy between religion and the universe doesn't make sense to me. Every ancient society had religion. Every ancient society's elite took it seriously.

>>508111674
Way too many words on that maymay

>>508111674
I know this is a meme, but the idea that Buddhism is atheistic is the most retarded cope.

>>508128968
>All that exists is matter, and all phenomena can be reduced to the actions of matter. A rejection of metaphysics generally speaking.
In that context no, I'm not

>>508128968
>The way you word it is if you don't feel strongly about the existence of God,
Correct. Why should I consider your subjective interpretation of what you think God is?
>>508128968
>This isn't true
100%
>You could for example, make up some figure like the Pink Unicorn that has all the properties, but even then, what's the ontological difference between it and God? It's merely changing the label on the box.
Exactly. That's how easy your God is debunked. When a Pink Unicorn can take its place. Why? Because you've never moved passed the presupposition and proved this God with those attributes exist

>>508129149
>Ok, but explain to me where matter comes from.
It's an eternal part of entropy
>>508129149
>Proofed in my heart :)
Cool. Why should anyone believe your personal feelings and opinions?

>>508128136
>You are crying and lamenting the destruction of Luddite farmers
I don't give a shit about them. I'm just pointing out how you and the "Amish will survive the demographic collapse" crowd are pants-on-head retarded. The Amish are completely parasitic on our civilization and cannot survive their host dying.
>Meanwhile your ass can’t do literally anything for yourself.
Whatever, faggot. Getting good at grafting apple trees. Half of last year's grafts survived the 1 year mark. Building a haloform machine... going to try to make lye and even baking soda from saltwater. What can you do, faggot? I spend my weekends doing things like learning to shear sheep.

>>508129149
>Proofed in my heart :)
Women are not allowed to post here.

>>508129418
>It's an eternal part of entropy
I'm sorry, but the laws of science are clear that matter does not just spawn in or cease to exist. Your explanation is invalid.
>Cool. Why should anyone believe your personal feelings and opinions?
You ignored what follows.

>>508129673
>I'm sorry, but the laws of science are clear that matter does not just spawn in or cease to exist
I never said it did. I said it's eternal.
>>508129673
>You ignored what follows.
Nope. You're just telling me why you personally believe. Why should I consider it

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>>508129781
>I never said it did. I said it's eternal.
Nothing is eternal, my friend. You and I are not eternal, likewise matter is not eternal. What happens at maximum entropy?

>>508129872
This bitch is fucking repulsive

>>508110736 (OP)
Too gay

>>508129418
If you are not a materialist by that definition, what part of that definition do you not agree with?
>Correct. Why should I consider your subjective interpretation of what you think God is?
You keep replying to everyone so either you aren't interested in Truth (which is literally just pretending to be retarded) or you do in fact at some level care what everyone's imperfect view of God is.

>Exactly. That's how easy your God is debunked.
That.. doesn't debunk God at all. Whether you call it God or a Pink Unicorn is irrelevant if they share the same properties, one of which is that there is only one. If I start calling a shovel a fag buryer, it doesn't change the properties of it.
>>508129781
This thing you are on about eternal entropy, why do you believe that? It certainly doesn't sound scientific.
It sounds just as arbitrary as any other belief system you criticize.

>>508110736 (OP)
becuase it is unnatural

>>508111355
The “harm” of old religion is entirely overblown. As we saw with Mao, and Stalin and Pol Pot Athiests are perfectly capable of mass slaughter and crimes against humanity so blaming “religion” falls flat on its face

>>508110736 (OP)
>Why did atheism fail?
fail how? God still doesn't exist. Nothing changes in that matter

>>508110736 (OP)
Because instead of promoting reason, atheists promoted trannies.

>>508130213
Lmbo

>>508130101
>Nothing is eternal, my friend
Neither is your God then

>>508130101
>What happens at maximum entropy?
We start all over. The further we get in our understanding we see more and more regression. Where does it lead? Who knows? Maybe we are regressing as entropy build and time is the fuse

>>508130199
>what part of that definition do you not agree with?
Ideas are metaphysical my man. Sonare numbers, until ideas amd numbers are represented in a material world

>>508130199
>You keep replying to everyone so either you aren't interested in Truth
Why do youuse truth when it's clearly just your opinion?

>>508130199
>That.. doesn't debunk God at all.
It just turns it into a Pink Unicorn. Kek. Now if you can demonstrate your favorite flavor of God exists passed assumptions then I'm all ears

>>508130199
>This thing you are on about eternal entropy, why do you believe that?
See above. And I never said I believed it, rather its plausible explanation, more than your personal God

>>508110736 (OP)
Because the connection of humans with the sacro is what make us humans otherwise we would be just simple apes.

>>508130590
>Neither is your God then
The Bible claims that God existed before time, before matter, however. Thus if God does exist, and if God is the creator of time and matter, He exists outside of time and outside of matter. A strange singularity we perhaps might not ever know.
>We start all over. The further we get in our understanding we see more and more regression. Where does it lead? Who knows? Maybe we are regressing as entropy build and time is the fuse
Perhaps only time will tell, but know that you are not eternal.

>>508130883
>The Bible claims

>>508110736 (OP)
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>>508110736 (OP)
Yeshua the mosiach was circumcised, celebrated passover and called 'rabbi' 16 times by his kike disciples.

>>508130987
Pretty deep misunderstanding of Christian theology. This is like the most retarded evangelical argument for Christianity.
Look into actual Christian apologetics if you wanna do more than just tear down strawmen.

>>508131095
You’re literally jewish

There was never any "new atheism movement in the 2010s"

I see this every thread about this and it is bizarre. No, corporate America propped up some "atheist" talking heads in the 2010s. Atheist people cared zero about this and did not engage with it in any way. The people that cared about it were terminally online people

Just like how every day there are 50 threads on here about nick Fuentes or Ben Shapiro or Candace Owens but you cannot find one person in real life who knows who these people are.

"New atheism movement in 2010s" = some advertisers making money.

Btw I am not atheist . Captcha JPVAJ that's one of the gods in my pantheon

>>508130883
Exodus is fiction. Egypt never enslaved kikes. Moses wasn't real.

>>508131123
>Pretty deep misunderstanding of Christian theology
Not really

>>508131123
>if you wanna do more than just tear down strawmen.
What strawman?

>>508131174
I denounce Abrahamism entirely.

>>508130987
The claim must be put to the test otherwise you cannot dismiss a claim because God Himself did not walk into your room one day, pull out His phone and show you pics of Him creating the universe. God is accepted only in reasonable faith.

>>508131123
>retarded evangelical argument
what?

>>508131174
My problem with Christianity (and Judaism obviously) is that it requires you to worship a god that commands circumcision. Christians will of course argue that Christianity prohibits circumcision, but I have yet to hear an explanation for why "god" could command circumcision in the past (for the Jews).

because its effect when practiced is indistinguishable from abrahamism. the result is the same, just without all the theatre and peer pressured judgment.

>>508130590
>It just turns it into a Pink Unicorn. Kek.
>heh I'll call God a Pink Unicorn, that will show him
This isn't helping your case.
>Now if you can demonstrate your favorite flavor of God exists passed assumptions then I'm all ears
>show me god exists
>ok
>no not like that
kek

Anyways, you are implying that God is arbitrary, this is not the case. Logically, the properties of God are actually pretty unique.
You can assign a name to those properties as arbitrary as anything else, but it just means you are arguing in bad faith most of the time.
Buddhists might call the thing with those properties Unconditioned, or western occultists might call it The All. Ontologically it makes no difference.

If you can't understand what I'm saying you really should take an IQ test.
>>508130590
You don't understand what I'm saying. The purpose of argumentation is to arrive at Truth, anything else is a waste of time on the part whomstever doesn't have that aim.

There is also a difference between an opinion and a claim. You can't really argue over what ice cream tastes better. You can argue about whether God is real though.
>See above. And I never said I believed it, rather its plausible explanation, more than your personal God
Semantics is a waste of time, and you still haven't answered my question.
What is your justification for that belief that makes it any less arbitrary than any other belief system?
What evidence do you have for it other than "you think it's more plausible"

>>508131640
The idea of worshipping a god to begin with is mega bizarre and can only be viewed by intellectual people as a remnant from tribal pre-civilization

Yahweh himself is from the pantheon of a polytheistic pre syrian civilization called Ugarit. Baal was actually his brother.

>>508132053
What's the alternative to atheism and Abrahamism?

>>508132110
>The idea of worshipping a god to begin with is mega bizarre
Thus to the non believer life is worthless, morality is slavery, and death is freedom. Nice.

>>508110736 (OP)
>Why did atheism fail?
Here:

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1884371114261901783
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3 of 4

The bottom line is that my claim was already established and cemented prior to July 2020. In other words, I'm saying that you should take the Bible seriously BECAUSE of my claim, not the other way around.
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>>508132170
I'm not either and I find Buddhism is a useful hologram of the likely true principles which are also in part represented in Christianity. However reality is unknowable to our minds. We should simply seek to get closer to understanding ground truths

Organized religion in any fashion especially the tendencies of abrahamism to say "I know and it's exactly like this" are bizarre. This is simply undeveloped thought and philosophy that stopped short from ancient people.

>>508131344
>The claim must be put to the test
And that's a you problem.

>>508132110
>the bible is full of the Israelites turning to polytheism again and again
>they were always polytheistic
That doesn't follow for me.
>inb4 reeing at using the bible for evidence
Say what you want about the metaphysical claims of the bible, there are multiple types of writing within it and some of them are literal historical records.

>>508132236
No death is freedom to abrahamists, Christianity is quite literally a death cult. Not believing in your God doesn't remove any spirituality in my life, it certainly doesn't make me part of a death cult from a religion that is literally based on dying once as its ultimate end

>>508115072
It's "coattails" you ignorant fucking plen. why are you all so retarded?

>>508132390
>We should simply seek to get closer to understanding ground truths
Agreed. Organized religion seems designed to do nothing more than control people. What I think is most bizarre is the disdain or or confusion with which people regard just trying to "do your own research" to figure out reality. Only choosing from prepackaged boxes (religions) is acceptable and comprehensible to most people.

>>508132236
Did the god of the bible command circumcision (sexual mutilation of children)? Yes or no?

>>508131640
look goy, just accept illiterate jewish fishermen 2200 years ago were more capable than you are to answer questions about the fundamental nature and structure of reality and that jews are the foremost and sole authority to conceive of such things under any and all circumstances

>>508110736 (OP)
atheism got really popular with the "i fucking love science" crowd
the problem with modern day science is there's a lot of corruption and politicalization of science
stuff like trans ideology and women being more mature than men are "accepted science"
but they don't really follow the scientific method and aren't testable or repeatable
same thing with climate change. even if everything they say is true, their prediction is we will die in the next 30 years if we don't give scientists trillions of dollars and world power
liberals weaponize science and use it as a bludgeon against traditional philosophy and religious values and treat humans like machines
as people woke up to science not being totally accurate and people basically using science in the same way as an evangelical weaponizes the bible, people turned away from science and back to religion which has a better proven track record of being correct and good for people

>>508132079
>This isn't helping your case.
Or yours, which is the point

>>508132079
>you are implying that God is arbitrary, this is not the case
Not you. But it is to me
>>508132079
>The purpose of argumentation is to arrive at Truth
When you can move past your assumptions and prove its true then let me know
>>508132079
>You can argue about whether God is real though.
Which God? Why not Gods? Why is it your favorite flavor of god?

>>508132079
>Semantics is a waste of time, and you still haven't answered my question.
You wanted the details, I gave them. And I have answered your questions
>What is your justification for that belief that makes it any less arbitrary than any other belief system?
Because it sounds more plausible than a supposed omniscient and omnipotent personal God.

The truth is I don't know what started it all and neither do you

>What evidence do you have for it other than "you think it's more plausible"
I've answered this
>>508130590
>The further we get in our understanding we see more and more regression. Where does it lead? Who knows? Maybe we are regressing as entropy build and time is the fuse

Hope this helps :^)

>>508132464
If you assert God does not exist, I'm afraid the burden of proof is on you.

>>508132390

Buddhism would be the first to disagree with the idea that reality is unknowable, and Christianity agrees that reality (God) is fundamentally unknowable in His essence.

>le tradition bad
Because that's never ended in disaster.
The reality is that religious dogma has a purpose. It's to protect the core of the religion from outside influence. You can see it in Christianity, where Tradition wanes, the beliefs are corrupted to being ultimately unrecognizable.
Compare the Orthodox and a Pentacostal, they aren't even the same religion at a certain point.

Religious tradition has always been understood by people who are smarter than anyone in this thread to be the stepping stone into true contact with the divine. Ultimately once you get there, the need for dogma from your own perspective is transcended, but that doesn't negate it's value.

>>508132891
>religion which has a better proven track record of being correct and good for people

Lol. Literally one of the most ignorant statements ever said on /ppl/

>>508132927
I haven't made that claim.
>>508128720
>Believers try to shift the burden of proof, every time, without fail.
Without fail indeed

>>508132763
I mean, I'd definitely be willing to consider that people who lived before us might have knowledge we don't. But one of the core tenants of a faith being cutting up your own infants' penises and sucking on them kind of throws in wrench in that.

>>508132961
Sorry didn't read the post as the confidently stated first assertion is totally incorrect. Core Buddhist thought actually tells you to not even bother thinking about certain things as they're beyond you

Too much type type, not enough read read, young man. You can award yourself all the internet points you want in your life but what you actually need is friendship and respect of individuals like me in your future.

>>508133077
Obviously the solution is to cut off the whole dingus and fill the child with other castration chemicals.

>>508132170
like, literally everything
worshipping the emperor of mankind or khorne from 40k is more coherent and possible than abrahamism
abrahamism is like, if you were trying to purposely to fuck it up. they couldnt even get the shape of the earth right. its beyond retard tier, and passes into deliberate sabotage territory. certain jewish elites found it profitable to keep their workers deliberately stupid. they later went international. its all pretty simple. theres zero divine aspect to it. its merely coopting terms for its own benefit. quite literally the most evil thing ever conceived. no wonder all its adherents are soulless freaks prone to faggotry and atheism

>>508133214
>Core Buddhist thought actually tells you to not even bother thinking about certain things as they're beyond you
This seems like another scam made to control people. "Thinking is bad" is Buddhist wisdom but "Thinking is bad, goy" is Jewish trickery?

>>508110736 (OP)
the atheism movement failed because 100 IQ people cant not pillage and rape without pascal's wager

>>508133243
they thought of that already, but it didnt make the final 'approved for goyim' theatrical release. gonna need the jewish directors cut

>>508133418
>Judges situation without asking for any specifics or investigating them first

Ahh that's fascinating tell me more

>>508111355
Thanks for the history lesson about atheism faggot.

>>508110736 (OP)
Because atheism is low IQ.

>>508133677
You tell me more. If I'm wrong, explain why.

>>508110736 (OP)
the real question is why did christianity fail

Just so people know, Dawkins has always said things like this, it's nothing new
Also atheism failed because it was unable to find a continuous source of people who could care enough about religion to bother making it a part of their identity
When I was a teenager it was fun to become a part of the atheist community and spend time watching atheist videos
These days the majority of people do not care and ironically they dismiss religion in a far more definitive way than I ever did as an atheist
They don't even think religion is worth debating
For them religion is obviously silly and belongs in the medieval ages
Instead of wasting time on religion they instead care about their work, their friends and their rent/mortgage, the things that 'actually matter'
Apatheism is terrifying

>>508133927
I'm sorry but trying to argue with people ignorant about what I'm talking about is just not interesting?

How is it my fault that I can't believe in Jewish fairytales? I'd like to believe in immortality like the christcuks do but I just can't.

>>508132914
>no u
>no u
>no u
I accept your concession.
>Which God
An unconditioned, transcendent and immanent reality is ultimately what I argue for.
I choose to follow the specifics espoused by the Orthodox Church because it's the most logically consistent out of all the Christian churches.
I choose to be Christian because it fits my cultural background, and because no other religion has as consistent and complete view of what God is. Though I've found that every major religion has a concept for the properties I described in the first sentence.
No other religion does God become Man so that man can become god, to me that makes Him worthy of worship.
>Why not Gods
polytheism is logically inconsistent
>Why is it my favorite flavor
Again, it's not a matter of ice cream.
Trying to claim it is, is in fact, retarded.
>You wanted the details, I gave them. And I have answered your questions
You have not, but I accept your concession.

>>508115423
The majority of people believe in Yahweh, though. You're the middle.

>>508133978
Any religious belief which has to condone child mutilation is inherently flawed and will ultimately fail to provide moral guidance.

>>508110736 (OP)
Atheism is pale and boring, ruined by liberal/leftroon faggots, and we now know that it was really more of an excuse to be some of the most reprehensible people imaginable. The concept wasn't brought forth as some """profound truth""" and people who jump the ship to Atheism don't do it for an understanding, it's a jump towards immoralism, no consequence, and no responsibility so they can be some of the most abject faggots imaginable to suck as many dicks as possible.

Kikes, being smart for who they are with their 120 median IQs, still hold on to their Jewish faiths/beliefs and understand what faith truly represents. A communion of people, a culture, and guidance towards a fulfilled life. What did the lack of religion do for us? Niggerfaggots injecting pozz-cummed into their ass? Licentiousness with girls who are becoming more motherless than ever before and are competing to see who fucks the most cocks in one night/video?

I would rather go back to a time when people were afraid of god and those who had the sense to understand what agnosticism provided utilize it for good because they were usually the ones who explored boundaries instead of simply being cretinous shitbags.

>>508134103
Christianity is only growing in Africa. In 50 years, it will be known as the religion of Nigerians

At that point humanity will be dealing with gene edited insanely smart billionaire dictators and the questions and answers posed by Christianity will no longer be particularly useful to economically active nations.

It is hard to express how extremely unprepared basically all of you are for the reality of what is to come, but that is okay. Because they will kill us all with a respiratory virus pretty soon

>>508134065
But you are arguing with me, that's why you replied. I pointed out that a belief system which discourages thinking and contemplation is tailor-made to control people and keep them ignorant. You can either disprove what I say or concede that my assertion stands. Or maybe you should just follow Buddhism and not question anything I say, which requires thinking.

>>508134100
>I accept your concession
Never gave one. But it seems you're gassed out.

>>508134100
>An unconditioned, transcendent and immanent reality is ultimately what I argue for.
Ok, so your perosnal feelings. Why should anyone believe them?
>>508134100
>your questions
>You have not,
I have. If you can't understand that then take an IQ test Concession Sissy ;^)

i think atheism 'failed' because there is no spiritual framework ready to replace it. remove religion and you get egotism, hedonism and individuality. everyone can intuit something is still lacking.
i think of religion as interpretations of truth, sort of like music trying to describe silence. some sound better than others. but people have mistaken the map for the territory and think that their music piece is the literal truth

>>508132485
>historical records
EXODUS IS FICTION YOU RETARD FAGGOT. KIKES WERE NEVER ENSLAVED IN ISRAEL. MOSES NEVER EXISTED.

>>508134546
Atheism "failed" because it got hijacked by the same religion pushers that used it to control people prior to the enlightenment. After new scientific discoveries began to erode faiths, they switched tactics. Both approaches in their respective times amounted to the same commands: obey the state, obey the priests (now scientists and experts), wageslave, die in a trench for some rich guy's war.

>>508133214
>Sorry didn't read the post as the confidently stated first assertion is totally incorrect. Core Buddhist thought actually tells you to not even bother thinking about certain things as they're beyond you
That's not really correct. The ultimate end of Buddhism is to become a Buddha. What you are talking about applies to specific parts of the path, you don't attempt to go beyond what you can handle at the present, but the ultimate end is contact with the Unconditioned.

Being a smug pseud isn't the flex you think it is.
>>508134892
I wasn't talking about Exodus.
>>508134430
You aren't really arguing in good faith. Pretending to be retarded at some point turns into you being an actual retard.

>>508135109
>I wasn't talking about Exodus
Jesus celebrated Passover, dumbass. It's in right in the Jewish drivel you follow.

>>508135030
right. we need to change more fundamentally

>>508135109
>You aren't really arguing in good faith.
I sure am. But this is all you can do is poison the well. Sad