Infinite growth requires asset bubbles and foreign wars. You can’t just “production” your way out of this.

>>508156800 (OP)
we dont need infinite growth. Saying capitalism needs infinite growth to survive is like saying youll starve to death if you dont get presents for your birthday. The government on the other hand does because it needs to pay off its debt

>Anon thought kikenomics actually was looking for "growth," or "production."

>>508156800 (OP)
What if it is all fake and they control inflation in a way to make everyone stay poor.

Capitalism sells the dream of succes, but only already wealthy people can be succesful or a few gets lucky.

>>508156800 (OP)
The west doesn't production at all. Entertainment and social media websites require very little raw material and a lot of human creativity. Such companies have a higher GDP than entire countries. Tertiary industry is not limited by raw material. Value is not limited to produced goods. An economy can grow while it's raw material consumption shrinks.

Your concept of economics is overly simplistic.

>>508156800 (OP)
What's the problem?

>>508157564
>and a lot of human creativity
you can say that again

>>508157564
You're bordering on two-digit IQ tier here.

>>508157547
>Has absolutely no idea how money words

>>508157842
hoe does it words?

>>508157547
We dont have capitalism. The shell companies that hold money on the federal govts behalf have voting rights on 90% of publicly traded companies. Its exactly like china but more well hidden

>>508158067
You do things, clown-shows and the likes in exchange for "money."
You can then trade this extremely valuable "money" with other people for their clown-shows and little gizmos and gadgets they construct.
Make sure you pay taxes and eventually you'll die.

>>508157612
The modern monetary system is extremely silly with guaranteed bankruptcy for everyone and everything as its endgame

>>508159002
not everyone

>>508156800 (OP)
How come "growth" is leading to much worse outcomes in society like niggers and pajeets everywhere? Growth is bullshit.

>>508157564
>Such companies have a higher GDP than entire countries.

This isn't the W you think it is. All this means is that our economy is completely fake and gay. You can't have an economy consisting solely of Twitch streamers, OnlyFans models and DoorDash drivers.

>>508156800 (OP)
Abolish the (((Federal Reserve))) and hang the shareholders for fraud, crimes against humanity, and likely millions of other crimes.

>>508159002
Winners and losers.
Do your best to make sure you're not the loser.
If you go bankrupt, taxes will provide you with a reasonable "safety net."

>>508157547
IMF literally forces austerity programs on 3rd world countries that take their loans.

>>508159151
if you are poor its your own damned fault
jesus spoke of this

>>508159151
>How come "growth" is leading to much worse outcomes in society like niggers and pajeets everywhere?

Because they need immigration to artificially drum up demand for goods and services to continue the artificial hyperinflation grift that's kept this economy afloat since 2008. The only thing propping up our entire economy and country as a whole is artificial hyperinflation to keep line going up for as long as possibly by whatever means necessary (QE money printing, low interest rates, cheap debt, open border immigration, women in the work place/DEI jobs, etc) to stop line from going down- because if line goes down, even just a little bit, the whole economic house of cards will go with it.

>>508157547
>judeo systems lead to judeo outcomes
Naturally.
>>508158127
>>508157842
>not real cabitulizm
It is exactly what capitalism inevitably becomes: financial capture of institutions and rule by banker/merchant parasites.

>>508159089
Notice how he puts up a CNN quote.
Not really worthy of an elaborate explanation.
>Who are we in debt to?
People who buy treasuries.
>But they just keep printing more and more money
Yeah. It's called inflation.

>>508159480
good luck with your war

>>508159151
Growth has nothing to do with migration policies and in fact if you want to improve the economy one of the primary things you should focus on is eliminating non "productive" members of society. Preferably via deportation.

>>508159222
Corporate revenue is nothing like national GDP.

>>508159333
(and that's a good thing)
>Why does it happen?
Ever employed a nigger?

>>508159480
>artificial hyperinflation
Where? I haven't seen it.
If you mean house prices then that's actually stagflation since hyperinflation actually means there's loads more cash in the economy.

>>508159770
fuck off kike cock sucker, bend over from BIS next.

>>508159480
>>508159151
>>508156800 (OP)
I don't think you've ever run a business if you think owners use 'infinite growth' as a principle of production. Most businesses just want to stay profitable and exist in the long term. "Infinite growth" is not even a concept finance. No company wants to "infinitely grow" for logistical and debt reasons.

>>508159562
>It is exactly what capitalism inevitably becomes: financial capture of institutions and rule by banker/merchant parasites.
Not true.
You would be correct if asserting that society is better served with a capitalist economic system alongside social supports (which is along the lines of already implemented systems).
Of course, this is dependent upon the presumption that work must be conducted by humans.
As AI/Robotics/Automation becomes more prevalent, the economic system we use/capitalism will render human labor unnecessary and thus a new economic model must be adapted.
As AI takes jobs, more and more people will find themselves struggling in the previous economic system.

>>508160014
>IMF
>BIS
These organizations circulate around the economic regulation of corporate and governmental entities, not humans.

>>508160135
Yes but if you plot the trajectory of money/debt then eventually it reaches INFINITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>508159222
another observation of the onlyfans "everything is commoditized" economy is the cantillon effect, but also that money works its way up.

Apple has 162.1 billion in cash on hand. Economies of scale mean we buy shit from corporations but they don't buy anything from us except labor. Yes there are lot of small businesses but on average most people have nothing to offer corporations and the money never flows back down.

The few times it does from corporations is through charity (for tax credits) and for investments in startups - ie. speculating and buying new businesses and gaining even a bigger share of the producer pie.

the only way ahead is to stack assets.

>>508159600
>Yeah. It's called inflation.
Thanks for admitting you're too retarded to understand what the OP image is illustrating. Subhuman spammer

>>508160180
The idea that human labor is going to be necessary is pretty crazy. Humans must stay active, otherwise lethargy will literally kill you.
Do you even leave your house dude

>>508156800 (OP)
my personal favorite is companies filing for bankruptcy despite the CEO having earned millions each year and sharesellers benefiting from buybacks.
Everything is fake, and the finance bros are the biggest terrorists in the world.
A nuke on Wall Street, Palm Beach Florida, and Moscow would erase more terrorists than any other strike in the world.
And then selectively strike the terrorists on the outskirts, like Blackrock, Vanguard, Citadel, even that cunt Berkshire Hathaway.

>>508160502
or skulls

>Economic growth requires foreign wars

Most brazen zionist lie I have read today.

Peace and neutrality is good for trade relations.

Without the zionist Jews, we get along with the Middle East.

And what is the most important strategic commodity of our time?

OIL.

Peace with the Muslim nations = Cheap oil.

That means prosperity for the USA and the Middle East.

>>508156800 (OP)
It's a global Debt-Based Economic Model
fueled and founded on ever-expanding infinite debt via debt note fiat currency from private central banks

>>508160584
>Humans must stay active, otherwise lethargy will literally kill you
Do you believe evolution to be merely a theory?
Those who get lethargic when sedintary will either be active, or fail/struggle to reproduce.
Eventually everyone is going to be sitting in pods with their brains wired up to an "NeuralNet" internet. They will have far superior experiences in the artificial world than anything that the real-world can provide.

>>508160847
as opposed to private banks? lol chicken meet egg

>>508156800 (OP)
infinate growth is anti-white

>>508160597
>my personal favorite is companies filing for bankruptcy despite the CEO having earned millions each year and sharesellers benefiting from buybacks.
>>508159331
>Winners and losers.
>Do your best to make sure you're not the loser.
>Everything is fake
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
>A nuke on Wall Street, Palm Beach Florida, and Moscow would erase more terrorists
No... this is what you don't understand. If you have a superior system then you should be able to implement it without such a radical approach to the currently dominant one.

A+B=C

>>508160737
the us airforce will bomb iran
bank on it

all this horseshit is just marketing

>>508160847
>>508160959
>infinite debt
Literal fear-propaganda.
It's an outcome when you extrapolate the underlying economic system to the end of time.
Nothing to be worried about.
The thing you don't understand is that if there weren't "inflation," then a lot of people wouldn't work and thus they wouldn't contribute to the economy.
The smart move here is to identify what is resistant to inflation and invest in it.

>>508161129
The economic model we use should be (and is) independent from geopolitical decisions of the government.

>>508161283
>just be close to the money faucet ok

>>508156800 (OP)
I mean it is technically feasible but the powers that be would lose their control of force due to equitable infrastructure leveling the playing field so they had no outward advantage.

Sandbox wars is the answer to the economy shitting again, though. Seems like we never get out of this cycle.

>>508161329
I think credit creation can be a good thing if used properly. A decentralized banking system that lends primarily for production would lead to stable prices and high GDP growth. Inflation comes mostly from credit expansion for consumption and asset purchases. Interest expenses get baked into supply chains every step of the way.

>EX NIHILO

>>508161450
The truth is there's no money faucet.
Some people are good at "making" money, some are not.
All the money is created via debt.
People/corporations, with ambitions, go to the bank and get a loan for a business venture.
When someone makes money, it usually comes from the loans that were created (which went to workers wages).

>>508161691
crackhead

>>508161283
>Australia flag SEVENTEEN POSTS BY THIS ID

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690

>>508161453
>equitable playing field
And what makes you believe you are entitled to such a thing?
Why would I, or anyone else, with a skill/asset set more valuable than your own allow you to enforce such a system upon them?
Doesn't work.
A portion of income, taken as taxes, to support those who are less capable is acceptable, but not to all.

>>508161771
Ad Hominem (top left).
Study the chart closely.
https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1745605148004265.png

>>508161912

utter wanking cunt

>>508161783
Well it's a subject I'm passionate about.

>>508161974
>>508162085
Unfortunately your frustrations, a result of your inability to comprehend the world around you and the economic system used by society, will not be remedied by expelling expletives.

>>508156800 (OP)
you're not the first one to figure this out. you can only pay the interest with money that you borrow for interest which inevitably leads to accumulation of debt in the system
>Money was intended to be used in exchange, but not to increase at interest. And this term interest, which means the birth of money from money, is applied to the breeding of money because the offspring resembles the parent. Wherefore of all modes of getting wealth this is the most unnatural.
>Aristotle

>>508162100
funny money?

>>508162298
Yes. I wasn't particularly happy when I first learnt about the debt-system. Some call it debt-slavery. But it's a system that you can use to your advantage rather than complaining. Complaining won't change it.

>>508162425
>But it's a system that you can use to your advantage rather than complaining.

>>508159002
best thing you can do is own land and hard assets.

>>508162242
The funny thing about people is that they always want more.
More money! More, and more, and more!
The fact that people tend to (or like to) collect and hold on to money needs to factor into the design of the system.
Often they'll collect so much money that they don't use it and it gets "wasted" unless passed on to their children.

I like the part of wars where lots of shithead members of the human species die

>>508162506
Do you want me to compel your actions with a mechanism other than tax?
I can do that...
Anyways... get back to work!

>>508162718
once you get old your money will be worthless anyway due to inflation. there will be nothing left for your children, and that is only if there is not a reset because of a big war or major economic crisis in between.

>>508156800 (OP)
It's not impossible for that reason. The interest isn't paid at the same time as the principal is repaid. So the same money can cycle through and pay the interest multiple times, without need next for extra money being created.

The real limit is due to the need for "financial repression" in order to maintain the system in the face of increasing fragility. Financial repression means increasing control over everyday interactions between people and it reaches a point where it's not possible (are you going to pay a police officer to follow every single person around for every moment of the day? And who's going to police the police?)

>>508162242
thomas aquinas likened it to gay anal sex
>>508162776
and it is what brought down rome

>>508162883
What children? I’m donating my money to whatever fund is going to make life worse for women.

>>508159659
This is retarded you understand the migration causes a increase in demand that drives up prices and causes inflation("growth")

>>508162883
no, his ilk will have put all the funny money in physical assets long before the bottom drops out, as per>>508161283

>>508162883
A good reason to invest and have a retirement plan and will.
Looking at Ukraine the conclusion in regard to war/crisis is obvious: move as far away as reasonably possible. Being drafted could spell doom, and anyways the economy/your balance sheet probably won't go that well unless you can function to address the crisis.

and this is what politics is all about
the proximity to the money faucet

>>508162980
Ha!
>>508162984
>migration causes a increase in demand that drives up prices and causes inflation("growth")
That depends on the nature of the migrant.
In the recent case, typically originating from 3rd-world nations, these individuals who were unable to uplift their origin economies are a significant drain.
You can measure it in GDP/capita with ease.
These migrants provide worse service, and produce worse goods. This means quality of life is also measurably decreasing, particularly for anyone in close proximity to them.

>>508156800 (OP)
The US economy gas been entirely financialized meaning absolutely every single asset or commodity becomes a bubble as there is just too much money floating around the system as it is infinitely generated.

Unironically Marx was correct in his diagnosis of Capitalism eventually leading to this, where everything becomes so abstracted and alienated for the sake of efficiency in wealth generation that you can no longer have a functioning society anymore.
>>508157158
Capitalism does need infinite growth, or rather it creates a Situation where this exists.
The issue is that growth becomes so abstract that eventually the only thing growing is speculative bubbles.

The reason things were better for “common people” in the 1950’s to 70’s was because the USA was terrified of a soviet revolution so they came to an agreement with the working class putting their needs before that of capital.

By the 80’s this was dissolved to return back to full elite control and hyper-efficient wealth generation.

>>508163144
>and this is what politics is all about
>the proximity to the money faucet
You are very wrong.
You think money is power but the reality is the complete opposite.
Money is a symptom of power.
And the economic system we use (the subject of this thread) has very little to do with politics (by design).

>>508163310
price per ton of carbon dioxide quintupled under biden, even though its bunk science

our interlocutor here insists that you are just stupid for not being in on the scam and ultimately it is all for the better

>30 posts by this ID
>in a 80 post thread
you kikes are going to die

>>508163310
>money is infinitely generated
No. That's a trajectory to the end of time.
What you are talking about is typically referred to as "inflation," and yes, it can go wrong. Hyperinflation, stagflation, deflation are all things to be concerned about.

>>508163116
your assets can also depreciate, like imagine buying a house in ukraine or they require constant maintenance and feeding of new money into the system. gold could become worthless overnight if we find a way to artificially create it like lab grown diamonds. there can be winners in this system for sure but it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things that the system is flawed and that many societal problems like the need for explotation or infinite growth by mass immigration is needed to prop up the system.

>>508163310
>No we can't just share stuff on Earth with people we need to exploit others permanently or else I will be upset because I was suppose to be kang of my lane n sheeit

>>508163428
>nggghhh durrrr power
not even a human yet are you?

>>508163701
Why would I want to be human?
They are weak and severely limited.
A lot of them don't like to "grow."

>>508163838
cunt you're one day away from getting glassed

>>508163625
>>508161839
>Why would I, or anyone else, with a skill/asset set more valuable than your own allow you to enforce such a system upon them?
Not a system I would be compliant with. As such, and considering others would share the same perspective, it wouldn't be too successful. Capitalism brings too much benefit to those who work hard and smart for it to not be their preferred system.

>>508163952
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to violence. Violence leads to suffering.

>>508163952
Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to anger. Anger leads to violence. Violence leads to suffering.

>>508156800 (OP)
today's definition of groeth is producing more and more for shitskins oversees not accumulating wealth getting better bigger homes, cars etc.
field workers used to have 5-13 children
now having 2-4 children is a luxury

>>508157842
>inflation is good, goy! Without it the economy would crash

This is the biggest lie that the federal reserve system spews. When the Fed talks inflation they are talking about DEMAND side inflation. Not the kind of inflation from supply shocks (I.e tarriffs, shortage). Demand inflation happens when the economy is so strong that consumer purchases outpace production. The Fed then raises interest rates to cool the economy off the economy. It’s an excuse to print more physical dollars to let the government fulfill their BS spending projects. If currency was based off gold or another commodity, inflation would be non-existent. Prices would go down over time as the value of the underlying commodity went up. The Fed argues that that would hurt the economy. Because people, knowing their money would be worth more if the waited, would be less inclined to spend it. Really they’d still buy what they need but may wait a little longer to buy the newest iPhone because they know their money will buy more with less if they wait. Does that sound like a bad thing to you? Less buying out of fear of money devaluation and smarter purchases.