Thread 508180530

what does /pol/ think of capitalism?

Imagine a bunch of rats in a box

I'm milking the rats and making rat milk cheese

I keep 95% of the cheese, and drop 5% back into the box, the rats fight over the cheese

I add new immigrant rats, they're mad because now they have more competition for the cheese, but they're too stupid to get mad at me for taking 95% of the cheese they generated and break out of the box

its not what we need, but what we deserve

>>508180721
>picrel
So the implication is that the worker should be given ownership of the machines even though he just operates them but never paid for them himself? O that he should be given ownership of the company even though he didn't found the company?

>>508181027
Any business not owned and controlled by the workers who run it should be illegal, basically.

Should have never let individuals who don't do productive things steal money from people who do productive things, because they "own" things.

>>508180530 (OP)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3370464/Saudi-authorities-close-shop-selling-traditional-camel-urine-drinks-discovering-owner-filling-bottles-bodily-waste.html

>>508181027
commies don't believe in private property, remember?
the owner might pay for the machines, the raw materials, shipping, taxes, interest on loans he invariably needed to take, and paying a multitude of employees who don't directly manufacture products such as clerks and engineers.
but that's all a giant waste of resources. only the assembly line guys create anything of value and only the state should be allowed to extract it.

>>508180530 (OP)
only works if jews do not exist

Capitalism is okay. I like natsoc more

>>508181832
>the owner might pay for the machines
He didn't make the machines.
>raw materials
He didn't make the raw materials
>shipping
He didn't ship it
>multitude of employees who don't directly manufacture products such as clerks and engineers
These are workers

>>508181201
Why don't those workers start their own business that they can fully control while working?

>>508180530 (OP)
Low IQ take. There is a difference between Business and Industry.
>Industry. Improving processes to make more for less
>Business. Cutting costs to sell less for more
One is honourable. The other is Jewish finance capital liberalism

>>508182014
It's essentially illegal, pic related.

>ancap flag
Are you retarded?

>>508182081
So they aren't willing to take risks and jump through hoops but demand that those who did handed over the ownership to them?

>>508180530 (OP)
Capitalism is always as good or bad as the capitalists and the means by which they capitalize. Having an extreme opinion of capitalism is dimwitted.

>>508181201
All these arguments come down to a simple question, should people be allowed to engage in contracts with each other or not? If I create a means of production and ask someone to work it for x amount of $, are they allowed to accept/decline or not? Who controls if they can?

>>508182358
> If I create a means of production and ask someone to work it for x amount of $,

If x amount of $ is 100% of the value generated collectively by the workers going to the workers or decisions that benefit the business, yes.

If even 1% of that value generated by the workers goes to someone who didn't do anything productive, such as a shareholder, no.

>>508180530 (OP)
The problem isn't capitalism, but consumerism. If people only bought good shit they needed we wouldn't be in the this mess. Instead people buy what ever cheap useless crap their influencers peddle them.

>>508180530 (OP)
>top: capitalism under whites
>bottom: capitalism under jews
Kikes will piss in the lemonade out of principle.

>>508183070
Define productive

>>508181996
He paid for the machines to be made meaning a worker somewhere got paid an agreed upon amount for the creation of that machine. If there was nobody able to buy the machine he works to produce, he would have no money to feed himself and would need to find alternative work. Same goes for the guy who just drives a truck, or who just moves pallets on to and off a truck.

You are not as smart as you think you are.

>>508181201
How does it feel to be retarded?

>>508180530 (OP)
Oh please like other side don't have star of david have influence on other side as well.

Capitalism is a meme word invented by communists and socialists, and pic related is why.

I can't be bothered to debate economics with a 1PBTID, but in short it is classic pilpul to take completely ordinary activity, like a miller buying wheat from a farmer, and nitpick some reason to demonize one or the other. Because the miller owns a windmill he has a better bargaining position or whatever, even though his business is highly competitive also which nixes much of the advantage of possessing the only windmill in the village.

It is incredibly fucking stupid to trust socialists. They were the first to push most of what we endure today, they want "open borders" because they believe in the "workers of the world", they believe everyone are perfectly equal tabula rasa clean slates and that blood is just water. The irony is we believed it, and we imagined Ahmad, Jamal, Ranjesh and Rodriguez were equals and could be converted into liberal westerners who treat everyone as individuals in some kind of futuristic star trek utopia. Instead we get DEI and rape.

>>508180530 (OP)
if you live in the West then you are living in an economy that is almost entirely centrally planned
redditors cry about capitalism, and there's a reason they've been programmed to do that

>>508180530 (OP)
it's just a tool, only as good as the users that wield it.