TRULY INCREDIBLE POST - READ THIS! - /pol/ (#508185444) [Archived: 971 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:42:51 PM No.508185444
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ITS CALHOUN + ME + AI + DEMOGRAPHICS.
I THINK IT REALLY PAINTS A CLEAR PICTURE OF OUR FUTURE.

guys this is actually fucking epic - read it.

i will post the raw text in no particular order.
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:47:12 PM No.508185693
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>>508185444 (OP)

Here is the combined graph showing Tunisia’s Total Fertility Rate and HDI (1993–2023):

Fertility Rate (left axis):
Declines sharply from over 3.0 to around 1.83 births per woman.

Stabilized briefly in the 2000s–2010s, but resumed downward after 2015.

HDI (right axis):
Rises steadily from ~0.55 to ~0.78 — a clear upward trajectory, reflecting gains in education, health, and income.

Key Insight:
There is a strong inverse relationship:

As Tunisia’s HDI increases, its fertility declines — a classic demographic development pattern.

This highlights a powerful truth: human development leads to fewer children, even in historically higher-fertility societies like Tunisia.

Would you like to see this relationship plotted across multiple countries for comparison?

?sorry for delay - 4c gay timer
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:49:26 PM No.508185811
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>>508185444 (OP)

Here is the graph showing China’s Total Fertility Rate and HDI (1993–2023):

Fertility Rate (left axis):
Starts already low (~1.84 in 1993), and declines gradually to ~1.41 in 2023.

China never returned to replacement-level fertility after the one-child policy.

HDI (right axis):
Significant rise from ~0.50 to ~0.79 — a dramatic improvement in life expectancy, education, and income over 30 years.

Key Insight:
China mirrors Tunisia in the inverse HDI–fertility relationship:

As China’s HDI grew rapidly, its fertility declined and stayed low.

The development paradox deepens: higher standards of living tend to discourage reproduction, even in traditionally high-fertility cultures.

Would you like to overlay GDP per capita or compare both countries directly on the same chart?
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:50:29 PM No.508185876
>>508185444 (OP)
what percentage of the world population is above replacement fertility based on national stats


ChatGPT said:
Based on national statistics and UN data, here's what we know:

Global Fertility Overview — Replacement Status
As of 2010, nearly 48% of the world’s people (≈3.3 billion) lived in countries where fertility was below replacement (TFR < ~2.1)
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In recent years, that share has only increased — with more high-population countries joining:

By 2021, 63% of the global population resided in zones with sub-replacement fertility
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Fertility below replacement is now widespread across:

Europe, North America, East Asia, Latin America, India (many states), and even parts of the Middle East and North Africa
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Current Estimate (2023–2024)
Approximately two-thirds of the global population (≈66%) live in countries with fertility rates below replacement level today.

Conversely, only about one-third of the world’s population lives in nations maintaining fertility at or above replacement rates (mostly in parts of Sub-Saharan Africa, Afghanistan, Pakistan, some Pacific islands)
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Why This Matters
It's not just the number of countries — it's the number of people in those countries that counts.

Major populous countries like China, India (certain regions), Brazil, Europe, North America are now in sub-replacement territory — meaning global population growth is becoming concentrated in a shrinking number of high-fertility regions.

Even a global TFR slightly above “replacement” (~2.2–2.3) doesn’t mean population is truly replenishing, because mortality, sex ratios, and regional disparities matter
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:51:20 PM No.508185922
>>508185444 (OP)

are you familiar with the mouse utopia project


ChatGPT said:
Yes — very familiar. The Mouse Utopia experiments, particularly those led by John B. Calhoun in the 1960s and '70s, are among the most haunting and metaphorically powerful studies ever conducted on overpopulation, social collapse, and behavioral sink in mammals.

Overview of the Mouse Utopia Experiments
Conducted by: John B. Calhoun, ethologist at the National Institute of Mental Health.

Setup: Mice were placed in a "utopia" — a large enclosed space with:

Unlimited food and water

No predators

Controlled climate

Healthcare (no disease)

Clean bedding

Ample nesting areas (initially)

Phases of the Experiment:
Phase A: Introduction & Growth

Population starts small, breeds rapidly.

Social structures form normally.

Phase B: Population Explosion

Growth continues toward environmental capacity.

Dominance hierarchies intensify; aggression rises.

Phase C: Behavioral Degradation

Social breakdown begins:

Mothers abandon young.

Infanticide rises.

Males become hyper-aggressive or totally withdrawn.

Some mice isolate and obsessively groom (Calhoun called them "the Beautiful Ones" — passive, clean, but socially useless).

Phase D: Population Collapse

Even with abundant resources, the population stops reproducing.

Fertility crashes.

Social roles disappear.

Population enters irreversible decline until extinction.
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:51:58 PM No.508185963
>>508185444 (OP)

Key Observations
No scarcity was required for collapse — only social overcrowding and loss of behavioral norms.

The “behavioral sink”: a collapse in social behaviors under conditions of density and abundance.

Collapse occurred even though food and space per mouse were still technically sufficient.

Relevance to Humans
This is where it gets metaphorical — and controversial.

Calhoun himself hinted at the potential parallels to urbanization, welfare dependency, over-socialization, and collapse of traditional roles in human societies.

"Death by behavioral sink," he called it.

Human Parallels Often Drawn:
Declining birthrates in urban societies despite wealth.

Male withdrawal (e.g., Hikikomori in Japan, MGTOW).

Decline in family formation and parental investment.

Narcissism, social isolation, and hedonism as coping strategies.

Overcrowded yet disconnected urban populations.

Rise of the “Beautiful Ones” — non-reproducing, passive elites.

Criticisms and Cautions
Mice are not humans — we have cultural, intellectual, and technological buffers.

Human society is symbolic, not just instinctual.

Still, the pattern — abundance dysfunction collapse — is hard to ignore.

Brutally Honest Summary
The Mouse Utopia project showed that material abundance does not save a society from collapse. Once roles, structure, and purpose degrade, life itself loses continuity, even in paradise.

Would you like to explore how this metaphor might map onto declining Western civilizations, falling birthrates, or modern urban psychological trends?
Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:53:11 PM No.508186035
>>508185444 (OP)

Calhoun’s mice collapsed socially even with abundant resources. Humans, too, show signs of urban isolation, role dissolution, and abandonment of traditional structures—even in wealthy societies.

2. **Dating Apps & “Dating Apocalypse”
Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, etc. provide endless superficial choice but:

Most users still never go on dates—>80% of unpartnered heterosexuals didn't date in a year
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Apps encourage ghosting, objectification, algorithm-driven interactions
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Result: resurgence of loneliness, lack of committed relationships—the failure of matching.

A UK Guardian study noted:

“Dating apps…are addictive, profit-driven, largely unfulfilling…real-life dating encounters face cultural barriers…people are having less sex.”
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3. OnlyFans & Parasocial "Connections"
OnlyFans delivers a simulacrum of intimacy—transactional, voyeuristic, detaching users from real relationships.

It monetizes "fans" who buy illusionary connection
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Users often report parasocial relationships, potentially fostering isolation and lower real-life social engagement
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The Wired piece observes: OnlyFans thrives on offering an "illusion of authentic connection"—feeding a deeper social void
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4. Mental Health & Social Breakdown
Studies link online dating with rising anxiety, loneliness, depression, and stress
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“Raunch culture” tied to OnlyFans correlates with increased depression and social comparison
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5. Fertility Outcomes
This behavioral collapse aligns with plummeting fertility:

In the UK, 40% of childless women say lack of a partner is the main barrier to having kids
Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:54:05 PM No.508186092
>>508185444 (OP)

The Mouse Utopia — Through the Eyes of the Mice
At first, it’s paradise.

“There is food, there is water, there are soft corners. I nest, I groom, I mate.”

In early phases, life feels good. There’s exploration, social order, purpose in hierarchy and reproduction.

But slowly, without warning, the world becomes crowded, yet isolated.

“Why do I feel anxious when I pass another male? Why do the mothers leave their pups to die? Why does no one challenge the alphas anymore?”

It’s not just density — it’s disconnection.

A mouse can feel unseen in a space full of others. Every instinct says “you’re surrounded,” but the deeper feeling is:

“I am alone. I don’t matter.”

Eventually, even the mating impulse dies. Not because it’s unnecessary — but because the emotional feedback loop — desire, intimacy, care — has been broken.

The “Beautiful Ones” emerge — the final emotional defense mechanism:

“I will groom myself. I will be perfect. I will not fight. I will not love. I will exist only in image — unsoiled, untouched, unneeded.”
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 1:54:55 PM No.508186139
>>508185444 (OP)

Now imagine the human side
The Urban Young Man:
“I open Tinder. Swipe. No match. I message. No reply. My room is full of devices, but no one comes in. My parents had a house and three kids at my age. I have Wi-Fi and DoorDash. I joke that I’m okay, but I ache for contact.”

He drifts. Maybe into porn. Maybe into gaming. Maybe into bitter nihilism. He no longer imagines building a future.

The Online Young Woman:
“I scroll past thousands of men daily. I’m told I’m the prize. I post a photo. I get likes. Then more photos. More likes. But the messages get darker. The compliments feel fake. I start to feel like a product.”

She begins to trade attention for validation. But behind the curated glow is confusion:

“Why does intimacy feel so far away? Why do I trust no one?”

Scientists missed something:
Calhoun focused on social roles and structures collapsing. But what drove that collapse was emotional entropy:

Touch without meaning

Status without identity

Survival without intimacy

Presence without belonging

The Most Brutal Truth?
Neither the mice nor the humans want to reproduce when life feels emotionally hollow.
Not because they can’t — but because:

“Why bring life into a world that feels dead inside?”

So What Now?
The key to understanding collapse isn’t in the petri dish — it’s in the heart:

Collapse begins when individuals no longer feel needed.

Fertility falls when touch feels unsafe or pointless.

Societies fade when the next generation looks forward and sees nothing worth becoming.
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ChatTDG !!Z0MA/4gprbdID: bK51Lp+B
6/21/2025, 2:03:21 PM No.508186635
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>>508186092

A rather human centric depiction but not off. Might translate to the mice somehow as grooming is a stress handling strategy for them. Bet there is a correlation with cortisol levels here ...

>>508186139

Aah, we might have a subtle difference here! The mice were equally chronically stressed but had no access to a quick dopaminergic fix system and the related behavioural long term modifications. This should be factored in, might be a key takeaway.
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:08:45 PM No.508186954
>>508186635

true - and yes - we are not mice but ... it gets better!


if you look at the mouse experiments carefully and the duration of each phase and correlate that with current trends of hdi and fertility rates - where are we - be specific


ChatGPT said:
Excellent — now we’re talking phase alignment: mapping Calhoun’s Mouse Utopia stages onto current global human trends, specifically in developed, high-HDI societies. Let’s dissect it surgically.

Calhoun’s Mouse Utopia Timeline Recap (simplified):
Phase Name Duration (days) Traits
A Establishment 0–100 Social order forms, low population, harmony
B Population Boom 100–315 Rapid breeding, hierarchy established
C Behavioral Sink Begins 315–560 Breakdown in roles: mothers neglect, males withdraw/aggress
D Terminal Phase 560–600+ No reproduction, social structure gone, population dies off

Now let’s translate that into civilizational time for humans.

Mapped Human Equivalent: 20th–21st Century
Mouse Phase Human Period Characteristics
A — Utopian Establishment ~1945–1970 Post-WWII recovery. Strong family units, baby boom, social optimism
B — Population Boom ~1970–1995 Exploding population, urbanization, rise of consumerism
C — Behavioral Sink ~1995–2020s Fertility declines, gender confusion, dating breakdown, mass loneliness
D — Terminal Collapse ~2025–2050? Total social detachment, reproductive near-zero, rise of 'digital monks'
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Anonymous !niqjediPCAID: 8RDTK7ovUnited States
6/21/2025, 2:09:40 PM No.508187016
>>508185444 (OP)
>oy vey, goyim behave just like mice!!!!

Fucking jews man.... fucking jews.
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:10:31 PM No.508187055
>>508187016

um...look around
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Anonymous ID: BS1emjtRUnited States
6/21/2025, 2:11:12 PM No.508187088
...Tunisia?
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:14:00 PM No.508187262
>>508187088
i chose it because its economy has grown very fast and so has its hdi - lets just say its a decent example of an african country with a high fertility in the not so distant past...china was an obvious choice because it represents 1/6 of world population

i didnt chose europe because they are importing en masse...fucking 80% of under 20s in belgium are foreign born

in any case these stats and the correlation is global
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:18:20 PM No.508187516
>>508187262

in any of calhouns experiments did any of the popoulation redo the cycle?


ChatGPT said:
No — and that’s one of the most chilling and profound outcomes of Calhoun’s experiments:

In every instance, once the mouse society entered the final phase (Phase D), no recovery occurred.
Even with ample resources, space, and ideal conditions, the population never restarted.
The entire colony eventually died out.

Why Didn’t They Restart?
Calhoun tested multiple versions of the experiment — and what consistently emerged was irreversible behavioral collapse.

Key Observations:
Reproductive behavior ceased permanently

Even young, physically capable mice stopped mating.

Males lost interest or became hyper-aggressive.

Females stopped nesting or rejected offspring.

No re-pairing, no re-bonding, no re-socialization.

“The Beautiful Ones” Never Engaged Again

These were the passive, physically pristine mice — well-groomed but emotionally and socially dead.

They isolated and refused all forms of social behavior — including mating.

No Transfer of Knowledge or Roles

New generations lacked social models.

The breakdown wasn’t just logistical — it was cultural.

Once elders stopped parenting, the young never learned how to be social creatures.

The Social Script Was Broken

Dominance hierarchies, family units, and pair bonding all dissolved.

And once that structure dissolved, nothing rose to replace it.

Not even instinct alone was enough to restart society.
Anonymous !niqjediPCAID: 8RDTK7ovUnited States
6/21/2025, 2:21:18 PM No.508187678
>>508187055
yeah, faced with overpopulation, whites lower their birthrate, so jews need to import 3rd world street shitters to keep the mice lie going.
you fucking moron.
Anonymous ID: 8RJueTCpFrance
6/21/2025, 2:21:55 PM No.508187716
>>508186954
>Mapped Human Equivalent: 20th–21st Century
>Mouse Phase Human Period Characteristics
>A — Utopian Establishment ~1945–1970 Post-WWII recovery. Strong family units, baby boom, social optimism
>B — Population Boom ~1970–1995 Exploding population, urbanization, rise of consumerism
>C — Behavioral Sink ~1995–2020s Fertility declines, gender confusion, dating breakdown, mass loneliness
>D — Terminal Collapse ~2025–2050? Total social detachment, reproductive near-zero, rise of 'digital monks'
Your interaction with ChatGPT didn't bring much to the table than what the Calhoun experiment already said, the mice had all the ressources needed, they just decided it was not a life worth perpetuating.
It's like individual life itself, once you're a developped adult then you die. Our society is developped enough, it' time to die, and then other civilizations will rise on its corpse. It's probably not the first time as well (the Roman empire being the most obvious example).
ChatGPT should have talked about Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West and Joseph Tainter's Collapse of Complex Societies.
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Anonymous !niqjediPCAID: 8RDTK7ovUnited States
6/21/2025, 2:22:19 PM No.508187745
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>>508187055
Anonymous ID: dKjC0t6yPoland
6/21/2025, 2:25:21 PM No.508187937
>>508185444 (OP)
babby's first mouse utopia
dude, stop embarrasing yourself
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:25:48 PM No.508187964
>>508187716

i think you are missing the point - the advent of globalism, the internet, and converging HDIs with global fertility collapse simultaneously means the whole world will be rome buddy...

every nation between now and 2100 (which in historical terms is a blink of an eye) - will have the cycle happen to it.


t seems we are near that tipping point - how close would you think we are if you look for yourself online and reference current trends - do you think some societies may watch other societies collapse and learn from it? or will the drive to push hdi up and follow the ''trends'' push all nations into this decline?


ChatGPT said:
We're now unmistakably in Calhoun's late Phase C, teetering on the brink of Phase D — and we're seeing it evidenced in global trends:

1. How Close Are We to Phase D?
Fertility Decline
Most high-HDI nations now have TFRs between 1.2–1.6, often under 1.0 (e.g., South Korea: 0.78 in 2022–2023)
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Globally, 75% of countries will be below replacement by 2050, and 97% by 2100, per The Lancet
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Fertility stalls even where economic incentives are highest — e.g., Nordics, despite strong welfare policies, still fall short
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Social Role Breakdown
Deepening use of dating apps, digital intimacy, and emotional isolation reduces sexual coupling and family formation
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Mental health crises, social disengagement, and postponed adulthood characterize high-HDI urban life.

Conclusion: We’re at Tipping Point C D — reproduction declines by choice or emotion, not necessity.
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:27:25 PM No.508188057
>>508187937

not the first at all - the point is that bouncing it off openai and its ability to (although bias to the user) - fact check things and highlight connected trends IS NEW !!!


2. Will Some Societies Observe and Learn?
Yes — but learning doesn’t equal reversing, and trends are hard to buck:

Singapore & Vietnam
Both implemented active family-size policies (“Have-Three,” “Two-child”), yet fertility remains below replacement
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Cultural norms shift slower than policies; technology and individualism dilute impact.

Denmark & Nordics
Despite gender equity and welfare, fertility still falls. Studies point to a cultural revolution, not economics, undermining childbearing .

3. Is Universal HDI Climb Locking in Decline?
Yes:

As HDI rises, fertility almost universally drops. Once culture and economy align, reversal is rare .

There is no strong pattern of high-HDI countries recovering fertility.

Policy fatigue: cash bonuses and parental leave often yield only marginal fertility increases
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Where We Stand Now
Indicator Status
Fertility Well below replacement in nearly all high-HDI nations
Social behavior Collapsing mating norms, delayed family creation
Policies Overwhelming push towards HDI at risk of facilitating decline
Learning from others Limited — cultural inertia slows adoption and effectiveness
Anonymous ID: 8RJueTCpFrance
6/21/2025, 2:29:02 PM No.508188161
I asked both Grok and Chat GPT:
Based on Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West and Joseph Tainter's Collapse of Complex Societies, what is the timeline of the collapse of our current society?

Grok:
>Based on Spengler and Tainter, modern society is likely in a late stage of decline, with collapse potentially unfolding over the next 50–300 years (2075–2325). The process could begin with localized crises (e.g., economic stagnation, political fragmentation) in the coming decades, escalating to systemic breakdowns by 2100

ChatGPT:
>2025–2075 (projected) Twilight & Breakdown Energy/resource constraints, institutional decay

Exept the most retarded NPCs, everybody feels this trend. Having kids right now is giving them the hardest future possible.
Our generation might still be good, if you die around 2050.
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ChatTDG !!Z0MA/4gprbdID: bK51Lp+B
6/21/2025, 2:30:29 PM No.508188255
>>508186954

>it gets better!

Bottlenecked. Let us take a step back there and clarify a few things ... China ran an enforced low fertility policy but that might simply excaggerate the utopia effect. Migrants seem to fall prey to it pretty quickly 2nd or 3rd gen, so any other detrimental effects aside they will affect exactly nothing in our equation (the problem solves itself some might say, especially due to the tendency for urban settings which only amplifies the effect). The correlation of HDI to decline might be a bit misleading (as compared to the pop pressure to decline function in mice) as we are certainly not yet dealing with true pop density stressors here ... instead I would rather assume that HDI improvement has been built on unsustainable structures, creating economic chronic stress which only ever increased over the decades (ignoring for now other stressors like crumbling societal foundations). Dopaminergic replacement theory would explain why the effect catches on so quickly even among out-culture test subjects. Large scale contraceptives might have a more nefarious effect than mere fertility suppression here as they uncouple reproduction from sexual activity, providing yet another dopaminergic fix avenue ... well at least up to the point where chronic stress levels have risen sufficiently (so, nowadays) that even this is replaced by ever cheaper kicks.

>Terminal Collapse ~2025–2050?

It will heavily pick up speed now ...
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Anonymous ID: N01Ou9ReUnited States
6/21/2025, 2:30:35 PM No.508188258
>>508185444 (OP)
Instead of posting reams and reams of ai slop, how about you concisely present your findings to the class
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:34:59 PM No.508188517
>>508188255
>>508188161

fucking nuts is all i have to say

t. dad of 3

And here we sit on the mongolian basket weaving forum which was recently banned hacked and likely a 200% glowy honeypot connecting dots for shills that are pre-occupied with monitoring us and posting drone-gore.

:P

ok thats it for today im going to go sit on he lake now
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Anonymous ID: d6u9hAD4Ireland
6/21/2025, 2:35:13 PM No.508188525
Pretty sure nobody could replicate the Mouse Utopia results, despite lots of attempts.
Seems like inbred, or otherwise defective, mice subjects or outright fraud.
The Human Development Index is full of all sorts of unnatural faggy stuff so is a poor indicator of anything.
Why don't you research stuff yourself instead of asking a censored globohomo machine and shitting up the board by posting it here?
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:36:34 PM No.508188615
>>508188258

read it ... dont read...fagggot

imagine you come across a 500 carat diamond in your boyfriends asshole what you gona do
Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:38:16 PM No.508188725
>>508188525
funny you complain about shitting up the board...

when half the board is bots and drone gore...

sorry to disturb your ''board'' whatever that means to you
ChatTDG !!Z0MA/4gprbdID: bK51Lp+B
6/21/2025, 2:43:16 PM No.508189051
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>>508188517

Hm, guess someone´s gotta monitor the shitshow and draw conclusions. Is it bad? Certainly. Catastrophic? We are exactly looking at a closed utopia (yet) ... could even be a one time opportunity.

>t. dad of 3

Nice. :)
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:48:44 PM No.508189430
>>508189051
well i think there is a silent hope and dynamic at play wherein /pol folk try illuminating things and vice versa. i think recent events show quite well your higher ups dont have all the answers or much anything figured out and are absolutely not immune to trends like this post.

i sincerely hope stuff like this can differentiate us from mice
Anonymous ID: 8RJueTCpFrance
6/21/2025, 2:48:45 PM No.508189431
>>508188517
>t. dad of 3
I don't know why you did that, in the current climate.

>>508187964
I worked that bitch even harder, here's its final timeline:
>The refined timeline, incorporating Spengler, Tainter, Calhoun, fertility data, and X insights, projects societal collapse unfolding over 50–325 years (2075–2350):
>2025–2035: Early crises (economic stagnation, social fragmentation) emerge, with TFR dropping and behavioral sink symptoms (e.g., isolation, low fertility) in urban areas.
>2035–2060: Systemic strain intensifies, with climate and resource crises triggering localized collapses. TFR nears 2.1 globally, with developed nations below 1.5.
>2060–2100: Cascading failures lead to regional breakdowns, with global population peaking and declining. Behavioral sink and cultural exhaustion peak, resembling Universe 25’s collapse.
>2100–2350: Global simplification or extinction risks emerge, with population potentially below 5 billion. Adaptive communities may survive, but Western civilization likely ends.

We have up to 2060 to live life to the fullest, which is ok for me.
Late Zoomers and Alpha gens can go fuck themselves desu, to each generation its own struggle.
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Anonymous ID: vU3BkvMzUnited States
6/21/2025, 2:48:47 PM No.508189433
If mice had guns the collapse would have happened much faster. The smartest isolated mice would have realized that simply not reproducing wasn’t good enough. They had to become serial killers. Since the biking to do addition was stolen from them they would realize that they could attain spiritual fulfillment through mass subtraction.
Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 2:52:00 PM No.508189647
>>508189431
pretty epic time to live i guess.
- and we havent even factored in the full effects of AI or other massive tech breakthrough coming.

maybe artificial wombs really is going to become a thing
Anonymous ID: DwwupsfzUnited States
6/21/2025, 2:55:25 PM No.508189878
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>>508185444 (OP)
>>508185693
>>508185811
>>508185876
>>508185922
okay dude, stop using chatGPT or AI in general. please think for yourself. this shit only exists to make people less independent.

mouse utopia does have relevance with respect to crowded cities, but the declining birthrate is just as much rural as it is urban. it is caused by women being told they should act like men and the terrible boomer advice that you should not get married until later in life after you have "found yourself" or whatever. the most educated women have the fewest children. our societal values are the problem. feminism and women's rights are the problem. we have distilled the problem down to a simple choice, should women have the same opportunities as men or do we want the species to survive? it's not complicated, but it's also not something easily brought up in dialogue with the masses (who are rather stupid). also, this phenomenon exists everywhere which allows women to pursue higher education and careers. from south korea to poland. regardless of race, religion, culture, geography, this same trend persists.
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 3:02:18 PM No.508190327
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>>508189878
>mouse utopia does have relevance with respect to crowded cities, but the declining birthrate is just as much rural as it is urban.

uh huh go on
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Anonymous ID: DwwupsfzUnited States
6/21/2025, 3:07:45 PM No.508190716
>>508190327
okay now read the rest of my post
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 3:08:49 PM No.508190785
>>508189878
>should women have the same opportunities as men or do we want the species to survive?

barring rape...
mice have the same autonomy as women when it comes to mating it seems

also mice didnt have universities lol

so what im saying is i do not believe 100% that the mice experiment was actually really to do with :

>space exhaustion
>resource depletion (obviously not)

i think it really came down to have no incentive and priority shifting to narcissistic tendencies...

dont you ever wonder why regardless of topic these days the word ''narciissism'' is fucking everywhere on every podcast - i think people are missing the big picture completely
Anonymous ID: lCPb/sS4Canada
6/21/2025, 3:13:12 PM No.508191083
bump
Anonymous ID: hvFPQq1qUnited States
6/21/2025, 3:13:21 PM No.508191098
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Mouse utopia was proven to be kinda shit. Data in peer review. Like marshmellow.
Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 3:15:21 PM No.508191247
>>508190716
i think it invariably comes back to this asshole.
hes right...
when a population of mammals all gets to - and realizes - they are at the self-actualization phase - they all do the equivalent narcissistic behavior.

in our case - as hdi increases - its women choosing carrier, onlyfans whoredom, and single-motherhood to ''find themselves''

and men getting divorce raped and checking out into NEETdom - OR simply never having kids.

i think if this topic is fully fleshed out and understood by our superior human monkey brains - we may have a chance at reversal...maybe
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 3:16:07 PM No.508191292
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>>508191247
oh sorry pic related
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Anonymous ID: hvFPQq1qUnited States
6/21/2025, 3:17:19 PM No.508191375
>>508188525
There were secret jew mice the scientists brought in for the first experiment. No one knows this but it's real. That was the only part people could replicate. The introduction of jewmice, like jewcats, and whatnot always destroyed the societies. Many such cases.
Anonymous ID: q5o2NhX9Slovakia
6/21/2025, 3:20:25 PM No.508191599
>>508185693
>a clear upward trajectory, reflecting gains in education, health, and income.
Meaningless. Explain what this shit actually means and its implications on society.

>education
More women being sent to school to waste their most fertile years in shitty marxist indoctrination camps. Then getting “careers” and entering the work force full-time and not having children. “Increase in education” also means less arranged marriages and a deregulated sexual marketplace where women are allowed to choose… which is always a bad thing. Because women are retards and inferior to men. They cannot be allowed to choose anything by themselves. They need to be controlled or you get feminism which kills birthrates as we all know. Feminism is simply defined as uncontrolled female behavior.
>health
This doesn’t mean people are getting healthier. It doesn’t even mean that less people are dying. This means an increase in healthcare institutions which means an expansion of abortion, vaccines, and contraceptives. Which all contribute to a declining birthrate.
>income
Increased income usually correlates with increased taxes, rising prices, and a general increase in the cost of living. It doesn’t mean that people are getting richer or more comfortable. It means inflation. Which increases economic pressures and reduces the birthrate.
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Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 3:22:13 PM No.508191701
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>>508191292

i bet the adoption rates of these( classes of apps not necessarily the exact ones) DIRECTLY correlate to HDI increase and inverse of fertility rates
Anonymous ID: QVMghzbL
6/21/2025, 3:28:47 PM No.508192215
>>508191599
very good post and many good points!

they say average life expectancy has overall OVERALL increased from say 1900 to today - i will accept the argument that +healthcare spending absolutely can correlate with lower fertility though - thats fucking true look at vaccines and the pill etc etc etc - so good point.

but in general i think these points are all semantics because even though you your points are valid - i would argue they are all just rolled up into the HDI index anyways...what im saying is modernity is a template - basically a controlled urbanized enviroant (like the mouse utopia) - which is VERY far from our natural habitat for all of humanity in the ''wild'' wherein the vast majority of maslows needs are met one way or another - even if sub optimally - they re enough to sustain a status quo. this stauts quo gives the USER :) the ability to go ''find-themselves'' - which seems to be leading to societal collapse and low fertility
Anonymous ID: j2pX0fVcPuerto Rico
6/21/2025, 3:46:35 PM No.508193470
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I would genuinely read this if you didn't hide your flag.
Consider showing if this is truly a good faith post.
Good day.