Your government does what we want. You worship one of our Rabbi's as your God. You Goys are raised to be our cattle from cradle to grave. And guess what? You won't do SHIT.

>>508302434 (OP)
This is now a Jehovah's Witness thread.

Jehovah's Witnesses here! AMA.

>>508302434 (OP)
>THIS thing thinks it's superior to you

>>508302434 (OP)

>>508302434 (OP)
lol Hitler lives rent free inside your heads. Seethe.

>>508302557
there's a JW in my town who keeps asking people to join, problem is he always looks depressed as fuck
pretty shitty marketing if you ask me

>>508303059
He looks like he's preparing for a long day of posting BBC threads on /pol/

>>508303563
He's probably going through something but atleast he hasn't allowed it to quel his enthusiasm, integrity and zeal for preaching the Good News of God’s Kingdom.

>>508302434 (OP)
Abdulla, sorry. We prefer jews.

>>508303506
Yes, he does. He's good company, a great educator, and a pleasant storyteller.
Why charge rent
to a friend?

>>508302434 (OP)

Gods, thank you for making me belong to the last people who tried to sweep the kikes from this universe.

>>508303059

You know this more than anyone.

>>508302557
Evidence of the Trinity:
Genesis 1:2 - Holy Spirit of God
Genesis 1:26-27 - God refers to Himself in a plural form
Isaiah 6:8 - God refers to Himself as both I and Us
Matthew 28:19 - Baptize in the name of GOD. Notice they share a name. It does not say baptize in the 'names'
Zechariah 12:10 - They shall look upon *ME* whom they have pierced.
Matthew 3:14-17 - The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit all in one place.
1 John 5:7-9 - The Trinity

Evidence of Jesus' Divinity:
John 1:1 - The Word was God
Matthew 16:16 - Jesus is THE Son of God, not 'A' Son of God
Colossians 2:8-9 - ALL of the fullness of the divinity of God dwells in Christ bodily
Luke 8:39 - Jesus tells the man to tell his people what God had done for him, and the man tells them what JESUS did
John 5:18 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God
John 5:23 - We must honor the Son JUST AS we honor the Father.
John 10:38 - Jesus and the Father are in one another, or in 'union' as the JW translation puts it.
(Union: the action or fact of joining or being joined)
John 20:28 - Thomas refers to Jesus as both Lord and God
Romans 8:9 - The Spirit of Christ is the equivalent with saying the Spirit of God

The Holy Spirit is a part of God, not just some force that God uses:
John 14:16-17 - The Holy Spirit is a Helper, or a person who helps.
John 14:26 - The Holy Spirit is a Helper; Also shows Jesus' divinity by showing He can send the Holy Spirit
John 15:26 - The Holy Spirit can bear witness
John 16:7-8 - The Holy Spirit is referred to as a 'He', again shows that Jesus can send Him
Acts 5:3-4 - Lying to The Holy Spirit is lying to God.
Romans 8:26-27 - The Holy Spirit intercedes for us when we pray.

>>508302434 (OP)
>rule
kek, you're nothing more than a disgusting parasite, vermin. you don't rule over anything because you're incapable, you only rotten, corrupt and steal.
Basically a jeet, don't fool yourself now desertic-mutt.

>>508302557
How can The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit be three separate persons but all One God?

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If you have three persons who are all called God, then you would have to apply every attribute of God to all three persons just as they are described in the Bible.

They would all have to be omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, the creator, the sustainer, perfectly righteous, perfectly just, loving, merciful, truthful, faithful, unchanging, eternal, infinite, Holy, The Most High.

Only the first 3 attributes listed here are needed to understand the Triunity of God.
Omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence.

A question that has found difficulty being answered since the beginning of Christianity is this, "How can The Father, Jesus The Son, and The Holy Spirit all be God if there is only One God?"

On the surface of this question it would seem to be an impossibility according to logic that we understand.
How can three be one?

If you apply the attribute of omnipotence to all three persons, then you may realize that a paradox could occur.
Hypothetically, imagine a scenario in which two of these omnipotent persons took an action against each other.
Whose will would prevail?
If they were both truly omnipotent, then it must be that both would prevail, but that would be an impossibility.
It would, at this point, seem that two or more omnipotent persons that have distinct wills could not exist at the same time.

However, a solution to this paradox is formed once you begin to apply the rest of the attributes of God to these persons.

If all three persons are omniscient, then they would all be wisdom itself, and knowledge itself.
They would, all three, have perfect understanding of all things, including the will of each other.
Having perfect knowledge, the decisions and actions of all three would be in perfect agreement in all ways.
Therefore, the paradox of omnipotence would never occur.
In fact, it is the paradox of omnipotence that becomes the impossibility.

>>508302557
>>508304772
Next, look at the attribute of omnipresence.
This answers the question that is the most difficult to reconcile with our logic.
How can three be one?

This must be considered carefully and honestly, but the solution is both beautiful and simple.
If these three persons are all omnipresent, then that would mean that all three of them exist perfectly and entirely within each other in every place and in every way.
They would seemingly be separate to us, but one in truth.

They all three occupy, within each other, The Most High place, that is, the Throne of God, in perfect unity.

The Father exists perfectly and entirely within both the Son and The Spirit.
The Son exists perfectly and entirely within both the Spirit and The Father.
The Spirit exists perfectly and entirely within both the Father and The Son.

>>508304772
>>508304797
The Trinity is a Helenistic philosophical idea and pagan belief. Not a Biblical teaching. We know this because of the definitions used to describe it: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, and persons is all Greek metaphysical terms originating in Helenistic Philosophy going back to Plato and Aristotle. The word hypostatic union comes from hypostasis. It is a philosophical idea from Helenistic Greek Philosophy. The Trinity can only be supported with pagan doctrine. These terms and beliefs are not found in the Bible but in Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras. The Trinity can be traced back through old triad gods, Greek Philosophy, and Hindu avatarism.

The definitions of the Trinity itself: Essence, substance, nature, homoousios, persons, hypostatic union are from Plato, Aristotle, and Pythagoras all taught these centuries before Jesus was born. Just trace "hypostatic union" on Wikipedia. It goes straight back to Plato, Aristotle and Neoplatonism.

Think about this: If I started using word like "Means of Labor," "bourgeoisie," "proletariat," "Base and superstructure" and called myself a Libertarian you'd all cry foul and accuse me of being a Marxist and Communist. Why? Because all my terminology used to describe "Libertarian" ideology is all Marxist in nature. You would all call me a fraud.

Why not with the Trinty? That's where the entire definition of the Trinity comes from. None of the terminologies, definitions, and understanding of the Trinity comes from the Bible. It all comes from Greek Philosophy, Stoicism, Hindus, and Pagans.

>>508305171
This does not refute anything in my posts, nor did you address any of the scripture I posted.

>>508302434 (OP)
The only thing you rule over is my (uncircumcised) DICK.

>>508305296
>nor did you address any of the scripture I posted

I already did for some here:>>508299813
>>508299848 >>508299994

>>Colossians 2:9
>>For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. (KJV)

This doesn't mean what you think it means. This is the correct translation.

This is the original Greek:

οτι εν αυτω kατοιkει παν το πληρωμα της θεοτητος [theotetos, from theotes] σωματιkως

This word....θεοτητος....is pronounced "theotes" in English. It is where the word "Godhead" is in your translations.

Here are other translations and pay attention to how they translate "theotes":

NWT
because it is in him that all the fullness of the DIVINE QUALITY dwells bodily

KJV
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the GODHEAD bodily.

NIV
For in Christ all the fulness of the DEITY lives in bodily form

Vulgate
quia in ipso inhabitat omnis plenitudo DIVINTATIS[1] [divinity] corporaliter

Weymouth
For it is in Christ that the fulness of GOD'S NATURE dwells embodied, and in Him you are made complete

NET
For in him all the fullness of DEITY lives in bodily form

CONTINUED

>>508305296
>>508305523
In Greek, the suffix -της, -tes is frequently used to make an abstract noun out of an adjective or out of a concrete noun. Thus kainos (new) produces kainotes (newness), adelphos (brother) produces adelphotes (brotherhood) This, -tes can be seen to be similar in certain respects to English suffixes such as -ship, -ness, or -hood.

So when you take the word Theos(God), a noun, and add -tes to the end of it is is no longer a concrete noun, but an abstract noun. It goes from being a DEFINITE to a QUALITATIVE. It is the same as marksman is a definite noun, but turn it into marksmanship and it becomes qualitative.

So the actual word THEOTES is a QUALTITATIVE WORD. It is describe WHAT Jesus has in him and not WHO. Just like marksmanship is the "nature or state of being a marksman" Theotes is the "nature or state of being godlike."

That is why all those other Bibles translate it as "divinity, deity, divine nature, God's nature," Because it is describing a QUALITY Jesus now has inside him and not that he has God inside him. The most literal translation of "theotes" is "Godlikeness, Godhood, Godship, Godliness."
As we have seen above, the correct rendering should be describing all God's qualities now in Jesus. Not God himself in Jesus

>>508304523
>The Holy Spirit

The reason why the HS "grieves," "helps," and "speaks" is because of PERSONIFICATION. An abstract given human qualities.

Many other concepts in the Bible, besides the Holy Spirit, are personified.

>Wisdom has works of righteousness. Matthew 11:19
>Wisdom has children Luke 7:35
>Death is a King Ro 5:14, 17,
>Sin, death, and undeserved kindness are Kings Romans 5:21; 6:12
>Sin works out covetousness, receives inducement, seduces, and kills Ro 7:8-11
>Now the Holy Spirit, along with water and blood are witnesses and all are in agreement 1 John 5:7-8.
>Blood talks - Hebrews 12:24; Ge 4:10
>Trees talk - Jg 9:8-15

That is why the holy spirit is a “helper," a "teacher," "bears witness," "gives evidence," "guides," "speaks," "hears," and "receives," Joh 14:16, 17, 26; 15:26; 16:7-15. It is being personified.

CONTINUED...

>>508304523
>>508305864
Christ himself refers to the holy spirit, does he not?

Yes. The Holy Spirit is not even a person. It is not part of a Trinity. It is not equal to God nor Jesus. It is a thing, it is a tool. It is God's active force. Let's start with a simple one shall we? The Holy Spirit: What exactly is the nature of the holy spirit in comparison to God and Jesus? Let's let the Bible tell us.

>(Matthew 12:28) But if it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU.

>(Luke 11:20) But if it is by means of God’s finger I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU.

>(Exodus 8:19) Hence the magic-practicing priests said to Pharaoh: “It is the finger of God!” But Pharaoh’s heart continued to be obstinate, and he did not listen to them, just as Jehovah had spoken.

The holy spirit is not God but GOD'S FINGER.

Here is the holy spirit again described as God's finger on tablets:

>(Exodus 31:18) Now as soon as he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai he proceeded to give Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone written on by God’s finger.

>(Exodus 34:1) Then Jehovah said to Moses: “Carve out for yourself two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I must write upon the tablets the words that appeared on the first tablets, which you shattered.

>(Deuteronomy 9:10) then Jehovah gave me the two tablets of stone written upon with God’s finger; ...

>(2 Corinthians 3:3) For YOU are shown to be a letter of Christ written by us as ministers, inscribed not with ink but with spirit of a living God, not on stone tablets, but on fleshly tablets, on hearts.

There are more verses to this conclusion. (Psalm 8:3) (Psalm 19:1) (Psalm 102:25) All of them point to the HS not being God but being AN EXTENSION OF GOD himself.

CONTINUED

>>508304523
>>508305296
>>508305864
>>508306068
Sinning against God is forgivable, sinning against Jesus is forgivable. Sinning against the HS is UNFORGIVABLE. No the HS is not the Word of God. The word of God is either the Bible, his commandments, or Jesus title. But the HS is not the word of God. If the HS were God than all sin is unforgivable and Jesus died for nothing.

The HS is also the MOUTH of God. (1 Kings 8:24; 2 Chronicles 6:4; 36:12,21; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 48:3; 58:14; 62:2; Jeremiah 9:12,20; Ezekiel 33:7; Micah 4:4; Matthew 4:4; Mark 12:36; Acts 1:17; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7; 9:8; 10:15,16; 2 Peter 1:21)

The HS is constantly described as a thing and not a person.

Humans have authority over the holy spirit and give out holy spirit when necessary. 1 Tim 4:14; 2 Tim 1:6; Act 19:2-6; Act 8:9-24; Deut 34:9.

You cannot have authority over Jehovah and Jesus and give out Jehovah and Jesus.

>>508302434 (OP)
lol, if you're not on a VPN, have a look at what demographic live next to Golders Green. I'll give you a clue, it's not the ones who watch Schindlers List