Salvation is of the jews.

Is Christianity really for us? Maybe its better for whites to have a paganist ethnoreligion like Japanese.

>>508350951 (OP)
He just meant that salvation came through the jews to the rest of the world. the point isnt that they are jewish, but that God used that people.

>>508351234
>Poopjeet interpreting the Bible
Just get the fuck out of here.

>>508350951 (OP)
Shinto-Buddhist for Japanese
Odinist-Buddhist for Scandinavians
Hellenist-Buddhist for Meditteranians
etc.

Buddhism has nothing about jews. jews are irrelevant in Buddhism.

>>508351365
im not indian but loved your thoughtless kneejerk use of a boring cliche which said nothing at all of substance.

>>508350951 (OP)
Reminder that this is the common archtype that calls you christcuck on the internet. Video below.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/06/watch-punk-threatened-sheriffs-life-gets-nasty-surprise/

>>508350951 (OP)

>Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.” When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he was speaking about them. (Matthew 21:41-43)

>>508350951 (OP)
Oh you like the Gospel of John? My favorite is John 8:39-40!

>>508351543
What the fuck are you talking about nip.

>>508350951 (OP)
>paganist ethnoreligion like Japanese
>what is buddhism?

>>508350951 (OP)
It sickens me at the insane ignorance of the Bible. I blame the (((churches))) for purposefully not teaching the Word of God.

>>508355182
Any interpretation can only be severely flawed. Just take it literally bro.

>>508350951 (OP)
Salvation is from the Jews,
Serve the Jew first, then the Gentile

>Romans 1:16 - Salvation is "first for the Jew, then for the Gentile".

>Romans 3:1-2 - What, then, is the superiority of the Jew, or what is the benefit of the circumcision? 2A great deal in every way. First of all, because they were entrusted with the sacred pronouncements of God.

>Romans 3:9-12 - What then? Are we in a better position? Not at all! For above we have made the charge that Jews as well as Greeks are all under sin; 10just as it is written: “There is not a righteous [man], not even one; 11there is no one that has any insight, there is no one that seeks for God. 12All [men] have deflected, all of them together have become worthless; there is no one that does kindness, there is not so much as one.”

The Jews were given consideration for salvation first because they were the ones entrusted with the sacred scriptures to begin with. So God showed them consideration first as a token of appreciation for securing the OT for him when it was under attack for centuries. However, this is as far as their "privilege" as Jews goes. Beyond that, they have no superiority nor advantage over the Gentiles because Jews are still sinners in God's eyes just as much as Gentiles are. The difference is that the Gentiles are given more lea-way for being sinners because they were ignorant whereas the Jews had the scriptures and prophets the entire time.

>(Acts 14:16) In the past generations he permitted all the nations to go on in their ways,

>(Romans 5:13) For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law.

>(Romans 4:15) In reality the Law produces wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there any transgression.

The privilege Gentiles get over Jews is more consideration and flexibility because they had no law while the Jews HAD the law the whole time. Being a Jew back then was worse than being a Gentile in God's eyes.

>>508355648
Where is your wedding garment?

>>508355648
>Jews had the scriptures and prophets the entire time
since when exactly

>>508356145
Jews are the real jews and you have to keep coping, esau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__dUtfKLVvg

>>508355619
That is why I only have KJV and a Strong's concordance.

>>508350951 (OP)
>>508351234
It's my understanding that all of that "Salvation is of/from the Jews" is basically a mistranslation (by today's meanings and understandings), and would now be better said as "Salvation comes from the tribe of Judah," which Jesus was. Later, Jesus had disciples to go to the "gentiles", which were/are actually just Israelites living outside of the land of Judea. ("Gentile" comes from the Latin "gentilis" and literally means "of the same race". The English word "genetics" has the same root. I also believe that most or all of the white race today are the pure descendants of the man named Jacob/Israel, and that no ethnic Jew today is, as they are all race-mixed. Once you understand these things, the scriptures start to make a lot more sense.)

btw These ideas are part of the "racist" religious and historical belief called "Christian Israel" (or Christian Identity, or the Israel Identity). More info here:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/469862402/#469866727

>>508356617
see
>>508356247

You follow a prison ideology, Esau. Its literally black hebrew israelites for whites

>>508356750
Oh wow, I guess I'll change my beliefs now lol.

>lmao

>>508356145
From the POV of the gentiles the Jews had the scriptures for centuries. The gentiles were barely introduced to them after Pentecost.

>>508356617
i dont really go in for that idea and dont think the NT requires your definition of gentile or nations. its pretty clear that the Gospel is for all peoples, tribes, nations and tongues.

>>508356617
>man named Jacob/Israel
except he didnt exist

>>508357786
they didnt write anything before the Israel/Judah divide

>>508350951 (OP)
>Revelation 3:9
>Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie.
Who does that verse remind you of?

>>508358206
They had the Torah, Samuel, Kings Chronicles.

>>508357992
I understand what you mean, but after studying it for some years now, I can say that I was wrong for once thinking like that. It's an amazing thing that has happened. I am still learning though. I myself believe that the nations that Jesus' message and sacrifice are for are the nations listed in chapter 10 of Genesis, pic related. Also note that the Bible says there are goat nations and sheep nations, and that these will be separated by Jesus when he returns.

>>508358070
You know this how? Please provide evidence.

>>508359453
matthew 25 is talking about everyone being gathered before Him and each person will be judged and sheep or a goat. thats entirely consistent with other statements in the NT along the same lines.
>After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

I really dont see how it could have described people from the entire world any more clearly. Acts tells us that God made from one man all the nations of the earth...all fallen in Adam, with the potential to be born again in the second Adam, Christ. Anything else doesn't really seem to fit with the NT.

>>508359417
it was all written in 7-8th century bc
nothing during israel's settlement let alone before that

>>508359824
there's no evidence of the man whatsoever
it's no different than saying that everything in the illiad actually happened

>>508350951 (OP)
>Salvation is of the jews.
Antiquated language. Its like saying my grandson is of me. The context of the verse is Jesus' conversation with the Samaritan woman at the well. In the preceding verse Jesus say that neither in the mountain where Samaritans worshipped God, NOR in Jerusalem would be the place men worshipped God. In the following verse Jesus describes the true place of worship would be from the heart in spirit and in truth.
σωτηρία (soteria) salvation
deliverance, preservation, safety, salvation
deliverance from the molestation of enemies
in an ethical sense, that which concludes to the soul's safety or salvation
of Messianic salvation
And it literally says that this salvation would come out of the Judeans, or Judah. Judah (southern kingdom) is specifically not Israel (northern kingdom).

>Is Christianity really for us?
Not for everyone. Me and my house? Yes.

>Maybe its better for whites to have a paganist ethnoreligion like Japanese.
Tell me, exactly what that would look like.

>>508356617
Like a lot of gospel slop it's actually just wordplay about adhering to tradition. Pic related is a good take, but he missed the obvious pun with "You Samaritans worship what you do not know". That line is an oblivious joke about how the Samaritans worshipping at the temple 'to the unknown God'. Samaritans followed a tradition where they weren't allowed to name God, hence their temple being dedicated to an "unknown" God. Modern jews sort of adopted this with their term הַשֵּׁם ('the name').

Ἰουδαίων ('Judean' or 'Jews') is also generally an outsider term not really used by Jesus or his followers unless they're talking to a Gentile, so it could very well be an interpolation.

>>508360617
Absence of evidence in not evidence of absence. I need you to provide something other than the idea that there is no physical evidence. We have a traditions of his existence that go back thousands of years. And how can you prove everything in Iliad didn't happen, or at least some part of it did or didn't? You are making claims with no actual evidence yourself.

>>508361325
where are getting picrel from?

>>508360617
there is a mention of the nation of Israel dating back to about 1200bc on the The Merneptah Stele.

>>508361120
hellenism is the peak european religion and we got very retarded very fast when we were coerced away from it. christianity had to be liberalized by the rennaissance for us to recover. I would rather get rid of it altogether and return to what the greeks and romans were doing in the first place without a single drop of bible influence.

>>508361325
Also in John 8:48 the Jews call Jesus a Samaritan (who they considered goyim, despite also following the Torah). Generally though, Jesus and his followers did not call themselves that, as they were not Judeans.
https://brill.com/view/journals/jshj/5/2/article-p119_3.xml?language=en

>>508361325
https://christswords.com/content/jhn-422-ye-worship-ye-know-not-what

it forces you to worship jews and acknowledge jewish men as prophets of god

it is a psyop

>>508362134
christians ignore the correlation between the rise of christianity and of jews in the behind the scenes, vice president role. it's right there in the book of romans and the theodosian code, but they refuse to admit it.

>>508362061
Whoops meant for >>508361826
https://christswords.com/content/jhn-422-ye-worship-ye-know-not-what

>>508350951 (OP)

>>508356617
>btw These ideas are part of the "racist" religious and historical belief called "Christian Israel" (or Christian Identity, or the Israel Identity). More info here:

Christian Identity is an offshoot of British Israelism which was a heavily pro-Semitic movement (under the logic that Jews and Anglos ultimately came from the same stock). It's kosher racism that creates out of thin air a blood bond between Europeans and Semites. Quite literally and directly, we wuz Jews (and therefore what happens to Jews must matter to you also). The movement is traced back at the earliest to the late 1500s where some alternate history was created to explain it, none of which was ever backed up with archeological finds in spite of many, many attempts. The date is of particular note since Europeans from before the invention of the printing press and the resulting widespread availability of Bibles never felt any need to connect themselves to Jewish history. But after they could read the Bible for themselves, suddenly there arose an urge to write ourselves into this religion that in origin really had nothing to do with us. We'd placed alien history at the center of our lives and the people, left adrift, tried to write themselves into its pages. This was the wedge that left the door open for the Zionists in the late 19th/early 20th century, which created all the bullshit of today.

Were it not for Christianity there would simply be no concern for what happens in the Middle East. We would treat these conflicts the same way we treat civil wars in Africa, barely noticing them at all.

>>508351543
>Imperialist religions are A-OK as long as they aren't jewish!
no words.

>>508359824
Don't think it works like that

>>508350951 (OP)
John 4:21-24

click here to learn more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

>>508350951 (OP)
I've been hearing more and more of this.
Just be an atheist at that point. If you don't believe there is one God, there's no point to anything. None of the "gods" can be as powerful as one supreme God.

As for salvation, the Jewish God requires a sacrifice to atone for the soul, for who knows what reason. You read sweet savour in the Old Testament, now it's Jesus' blood. Some quantum mechanics thing that we will never understand.

>>508351543
buddhism is just as much a pessimistic life-hating religion as abrahamic ones are. once I found that out I dropped it like bag of trash.

>>508362485
>the god of the jews chose to be come to earth and be incarnate das a jew and declare himself king of the jews because he actually hates jews.
makes sense to me. what's your problem?

>>508350951 (OP)
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

youtube.com/watch?v=eT_RUdBTlp40hxmp

>>508362383
ok thanks anon

>>508362819
>As for salvation, the jewish god requires a sacrifice to atone for the soul
so he had to sacrifice himself to himself to subvert a rule that he himself made up? high jewish iq really is a myth

>>508360472
I wasn't sure how to answer your points, and so I took some time at a main CI website to research what that pastor has to say about it, and have found that the CI explanation is that these are still the same nations (of white Adamites) which are being referred to. The webmaster/pastor of christogenea.org cites Deuteronomy 32:8 (pic related) as evidence of this.

>When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

I got this answer and information from here:

>The Race of Genesis 10
https://christogenea.org/essays/race-genesis-10

, which is a transcription of this podcast:

https://christogenea.org/system/files/audio/ChrSat20111015-TheRaceofGenesis10.mp3

>>508362808
I don't like this because it inherently gives jews a monopoly on the concept of god

>>508362041
So worshipping gods that lie, rape, deceive, etc is better than you shouldn't lie, rape, or murder? We going to go back to sacrificing animals and people in the neo pagan religion of yours too? I already understand you think we ought to, I am asking you to tell me what it looks like in belief and more importantly practice.

>>508362808
I know exactly what a claim with zero evidence looks like. Unfortunately for you and yours it works both ways.

>>508363359
I didn't make it, I just stole it. it's only rhetorical anyway, so don't sweat it so much.

>>508363101
“For you [Israel] are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.”

https://bibleproject.com/articles/who-has-god-chosen/

>>508363373
human sacrifice was banned by hellenist countries before abrahamic ones. the fact that you start with dishonesty about this fact makes replying to you otherwise a waste of time.

>>508356617
if only we had commentaries by thousand years long tradition on each and every verse of the bible
eureka! we do
>The Samaritans worshipped they knew not what, a local, a partial God, as they imagined, of whom they had the same notion that they had of their idols. And therefore they mingled the worship of God with the worship of idols. But the Jews were free from this superstition: indeed they knew God to be the God of the whole world; wherefore He says, We worship what we know. He reckons Himself among the Jews, in condescension to the woman’s idea of Him; and says as if He were a Jewish prophet, We worship, though it is certain that He is the Being who is worshipped by all. The words, For salvation is of the Jews, mean that every thing calculated to save and amend the world, the knowledge of God, the abhorrence of idols, and all other doctrines of that nature, and even the very origin of our religion, comes originally from the Jews. In salvation too He includes His own presence, which He says is of the Jews, as we are told by the Apostle, Of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came. See how He exalts the Old Testament, which He shows to be the root of every thing good; thus proving in every way that He Himself is not opposed to the Law. - John Chrysostomos

>>508363328
Yeah, that's literally what it says.
Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Guess what. It is also said that God will allow Satan to defile Jesus' sacrifice. Then new animal sacrifices will be required. That's in Ezekiel 40-48.
Ezekiel 45:23 for a specific example.

>>508363345
whats CI and when did i mention the pastor?

>>508363373
so true sister! Europans without guidance of jews are lower than dirt, animals, just say it, the Hellenes were trash, the Romans too!

>>508351234
>>508356617
No its literally saying that "salvation" is of the jews. As in your not going to get salvation by attacking jews. Super inconvenient for antisemitism.

>>508363345
faulty translation

When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders[a] of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.[b]But the Lord's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

>sons of God
God only chose Abraham and gave the nations to other Elohim, thats where you get pagan gods from.

>>508350951 (OP)
The word Jew didn’t exist it was more along the lines of salvation is of the jehudim, salvation is of Judah since Jesus was from this tribe.

>>508363980
>As in your not going to get salvation by attacking jews.
Salvation is in Jesus.

>>508364298
here comes the mongolingual third world monkey thinking wheels didn't exist until the word "wheel" emerged in the middle english period

>>508364331
>Salvation is in Jesus.
A Jew.
A kosher eating
Circumcised
Bar mitzvah monkey

>>508364298
Also the word Jew was created to distinguish between Judah and the Nabatean Edomites who converted to Judaism. Judah being the ones who converted to Christianity and the Jews being the ones who murdered Jesus.

>>508364086
Trust the text. God is called Jealous, he wouldn't do that.

Jeremiah 7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

>>508364453
I get where you’re coming from but it’s more nuanced than you think

>>508362515
The CI answer against much of what you're talking about here is simply that, as was prophesied in the Bible, God's chosen ones on the earth lost their identity. And so any talk of "Oh, see, it's this very new movement" is neither here nor there, apart from the fact that there are other evidences apart from and prior to British Israelism. Again, the complete loss of identity is Biblical.

And as for CI being "the wedge that left the door open for the Zionists ...", the Identity message that I and 99% of other CI adherents today profess is explicitly pro-white and explicitly anti-ethnic-Jew, properly recognizing the nature of the Jewish people as a collective ancient enemy in a war of extinction.

>>508364624
what does israels idolatry have anything to do with what Deuteronomy 32 talks about?
Israel was to destroy the moloch cults in the region of canaan.

>>508364298
>jew
>jehudim
same thing. distinctions between tribes became entirely blurred over time but because Judah has always been the biggest and most powerful, all of them ended up getting called 'jew'. quibbling over this kind of thing is worthless.

>>508363600
A Semite, Hebrew, Israelite, and Jew don't all mean the same thing, retard.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/

>>508364609
nigger tier cope

>>508363359
The Christian/Muslim populations are a bit more than 2 billion each, it's like 4.5 billion people who are in one branch or the other, with 16 million Jews sprinkled on top. That's over half the world's population and they all worship the god of Abraham, the god of the Jews. The next biggest religion that doesn't worship the god of Abraham is Hinduism at 1.1 billion. 1/4th the size of the group that does.

It's not a monopoly technically, but if a company got that big it'd be hit with some anti-trust, that's for sure.

>>508364756
it's not, the term is used consistently in the NT to speak about an ethnicity and religion that had already coalesced regardless of any OT differences, Tertullian calls Jesus of the same race as his persecutors, judaeans and judaeans are consistently opposed to gentiles as a whole as the (formerly) chosen people

>>508364841
Worship of the "sons of God" ends up with child sacrifice always, so it was a voluntary thing, not incited by God, at least initially not. Maybe later (Romans 1:21-end)

>>508364869
No jews and Judah are two completely different groups of people. Before Jesus was born John hyrcanus led the Maccabean revolt and forced the Nabatean Edomites to convert to Judaism. It’s why Judea was called as such, an amalgam of Judah and ideumea from where they hailed. Herod killed a bunch of the Pharisees and replaced them with these ideumeans and they killed Jesus and Judah converted to Christendom. These are your Jews, the ideumeans. Herod burned all the geneological records. All of this was recorded by Strabo and Josephus I believe.

>>508364869
Well jew is sort of a loaded term, as most would think of jews nowadays as followers of the talmud, which didn't exist at that point. Judean was also used by the Greeks and Romans to refer to everyone in the southern Levant regardless of whether they were actually from Judea.

>>508362811
'sup lad

>>508364589
celebrates goyim genocide to boot (passover)

>>508365214
No I don’t think they were the same race at all that’s why Jesus called their father the devil, and serpents and vipers. Different lineage.

>>508365259
yes, the Elohim became corrupt and wanted all kind of sacrifices to themselves, the worst ofc is human child sacrifice.
thats why God chose Israel to stamp it out immidiately in the canaanite/phoenician nations. unfortunately israel did not and adopted these other gods over time and where judged for it.
these false god cults unfortunately are found around the world at this point, so I am very well aware we are not far away from global judgement.

>>508365298
What???

>>508363626
Bitch please. I didn't compare and contrast Abrahamic nations vs. Greek and Roman nations. Talk about dishonesty you nigger souled son of a bitch. I asked you if your neo pagan rites would contain human sacrifice since the Greeks and Romans did it - so did the Aztecs. Cool with you if the Latin American nations went back to that? Efven after the Romans officially outlawed human sacrifice, 90 something BC, they still buried unchaste Vestal Virgins alive and drowned visibly intersex children. My question has nothing to do with Judaism, Christianity or ISlam, I am asking you what this neopagan religion looks like in practice. Instead of answering that, you pulled on one tiny thread of my post like the little kike nogger woman you are.

>>508350951 (OP)
>of
>away from

>>508365409
you are so predictably full of pilpul and gaslight, absolutely far worse than the jews you criticize, it's not even close how worse you are
people constantly divide themselves into smaller subgroups, this is literally something every single group bigger than a stoneage tribe does, they were all penis mutilating followers of moses, the torah and spoke mutually intelligible languages

Tertullian, against Marcion, book 3 chapter 18
>Joseph likewise was a type of Christ, not indeed on this ground (that I may not delay my course ), that he suffered persecution for the cause of God from his brethren, as Christ did from His brethren after the flesh, the Jews

>>508350951 (OP)
>Maybe its better for whites to have a paganist ethnoreligion like Japanese.
Don't worry, Christians will save Japan from the oppressive clutches of their homogenous ancestral culture just like europeans were saved.
We will all be united in selling our souls to a jew, and our descendants will all be raped and murdered by our colored brothers in christ!
Hail Jesus, our jewish master!

>>508363847
Nice how you quote a Jew to make a point that is patently false. Our culture is a mixture of Christianity, the renaizzance and enlightenment and English and German tradition for the most part - throw in fried chicken and watermelon if you want to count the contributions of African slaves

>>508365577
>these false god cults unfortunately are found around the world at this point
That's the thing though. God doesn't want to judge people for worshipping a false god. He want s to bring them into the flick and forgive them. That's the entire point of Christianity. It's a religion made up of the forgiven not the righteous.

>>508365669
of =/= off

>>508365872
you are already 99% there in considering Europeans hopeless without the guidance of jews, just do the extra step and be done with it so you can go back to guzzling cubic meters of jewish cum per american ethos and tradition

>>508365668
you get emotional when faced with the truth.

>>508365738
>Joseph likewise was a type of Christ, not indeed on this ground (that I may not delay my course ), that he suffered persecution for the cause of God from his brethren, as Christ did from His brethren after the flesh, the Jews
If tertullian really said that he was retarded.

>>508365738
Yahweh is Satan the god of this world. It’s possible that most people didn’t know about the Maccabean revolt. It was mostly historians who did but Jesus himself said they were of a line of serpents.

>>508364773
>And so any talk of "Oh, see, it's this very new movement" is neither here nor there,
You're simply asserting that the idea is older without any reason to believe it is so. As far as anyone can tell this idea was made up out of whole cloth in the 1500s/1600s. And there's no reason to think the ancient Europeans of any stripe thought this was their story when we have plenty of evidence that they had an entirely different religion/history for themselves, which makes up what we call paganism today; Norse, Celtic, German, etc, all well attested to. This alternate history of CI relies on a ton of special pleading and rhetorical backflips, when the plain facts are that Europeans saw ourselves as coming from exclusively European backgrounds with exclusively European ideas until late into the Christian conversion; when the book of Semitic tales had become our main cultural narrative, we suddenly became convinced our history must've had something to do with the Middle East and Semites.
>the Identity message that I and 99% of other CI adherents today profess is explicitly pro-white and explicitly anti-ethnic-Jew,
Yes, because it's a small branch of British Israelism that disagreed on the Jewish question. Why be a side character in a story when you can steal the main character role? But it's always been the smaller cousin to British Israelism and a meaningless sect on the grand scale. For the vast bulk of Christians, their faith ties them emotionally to events in the Middle East and to the welfare of Jews. If they didn't have their faith, the idea of caring about any of this shit wouldn't even occur to 99% of us and the last 1% would be rightfully seen as idiots.

>>508366221
Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about.

>>508366005
You’re a marrano Jew I take it. Absolutely hopeless without the Jews to lead us huh? What a load of shit

>>508366005
Amazing how the Jews you despise live rent free in your head. I rarely think about Jews or political Israel. The God of the universe is greater than one tiny semitic nation he used for his purposes and then destroyed in 70 AD. You desperately need the modern Jew to be equivalent to the Biblical Israelite in order to hold your biblically untenable position. The Scriptures say the exact opposite of that - which is why the jews also claim they go back to the ancient Israelites. You and the kikes agree on that at least. I myself agree with nothing they say and have no use nor concern for modern Israel. In fact, Revelation says they will be bunred with fire and destroyed because God puts it in the heart of the rest of the nations to do that. Who am I to argue?

>>508366143
lmao, he mentions it because it was more than obvious to anyone reading especially to anyone who knows even the slightest about the entire point of christianity(which excludes /pol/ christians obviously), being, namely, that the jews are accursed because they rejected the messiah that was promised to come to them in their flesh and they aren't the chosen ethnos anymore, while those who follow the christ are the new israel

>>508363722
>whats CI

It's the Christian Israel (Christian Identity) faith that informs all of my posts, including the first post of mine to which you responded (>>508357992), which was the beginning of our conversation here. I mention it at the bottom of that post.


>and when did i mention the pastor?

You certainly didn't. You seem to be misunderstanding how discussions work? I was unsure how to debate your points, and so I visited a website run by a pastor of my faith — as I explained — and then posted the results of my newfound learning, as my answer to you.

If your heart is in the right place and/or if were having a simple misunderstanding, then no worries, but I really have no other option than to procede as if you're a lying Jew, determined to make me waste time and get frustrated, etc. And so, I will no longer respond to you or read your comments. Other anons take note of this exchange and decide for yourselves what it is that you are dealing with here.

>>508365930
>he thinks there are righteous people in this world
you can only be righteous if God gives you his righteousness and even then its not your own, so noone can boast.
pride is the main problem. and even if you are not in the flock, you are not judged by your righteousness you know about, but the righteousness did through you without your knowledge. se Matthew 25 Final Judgement.

>>508366118
I get emotional when faced with an irrational non answer to a pretty basic question. A question you still have not answered.

>>508366496
this is what americhimp christurds essentially constantly spam on /pol/, like we get it, you are not an European nation anymore in the slightest, so to you whatever Germanics, Romans or Hellenes were doing is as alien as aboriginal beliefs and you don't think Europeans can go anywhere without being guided by jews, which is the current state of your miserable existence

>>508366437
What exactly did I say that wasn’t true? You just don’t know it or understand it

>>508366291
And yet here we are.

>>508365409
>that’s why Jesus called their father the devil, and serpents and vipers.
This interpretation is like if I replied to someone here calling them a faggot and you quoted the post 2000 years later to say
>See, this means the poster he's replying to was literally a homosexual.

>>508366556
> (Christian Identity) faith
its a retarded attempt to retcon entire european history into bizarre wewuzzing of le lost tribes.
Not only is nonsense wrong, its also not followed by 99.99999999999999% of Christians, and you cant even convince those.

>>508350951 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN5lvSoICOI
sorry bro they're not god's chosen people.

>>508366773
Um no. My entire point is that modern day Jews have nothing to do with the establishment of Christianity. That it’s a lie and we don’t owe them shit.

>>508366861
The entire thing.
It sounds like some gobbledygook out the end of a giant game of evangelical telephone.

>>508363647
Interesting; I'll look into him eventually. My suspicion and expectation is that "the Jews" here (and in his time) did not mean what we take it to mean today. Perhaps it meant something more like "those of the tribe of Judah". I don't know yet, but I do know that there are some impostors whom even Jesus Christ called out as such.

>>508353205
>the kingdom of God will be taken away from you
This did happened. Historically, 70 AD, Romans destroyed the 2nd Temple and kick off the largest Jewish diaspora.

>>508367138
Ok cool we both agree I’m right you don’t understand what I’m talking about. Got it.

Salvation happens through true belief in Christ, his Catholic faith and by thus following his teachings as the gate is narrow. He is the impeccable Word made flesh who is man-God and Judean through his mother's side. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/264865/world-s-smartest-man-professes-christian-faith-on-social-media Quote from V-I which was Catholic and of God. Only actual trad Catholics are Christian (Trent catechismus overall).

>>508367102
every single negative thing you attribute to modern jews they got from ancient jews, the creators of christianity, who had already a reputation comically similar to modern jews, you aren't gaslighting anyone

>>508362876

Buddhism tries to become like a rage quit on a cosmic scale.

>>508367356
back to the jungle pablo

>>508367001
amazing this is still on yt

>>508366530
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_D34avb0ZP8

>>508362876
you'll reach the same conclusion with the most empowering religion, if it even exists
unless you're fucking retarded

>>508350951 (OP)
>Is Christianity really for us?
No.

>Maybe its better for whites to have a paganist ethnoreligion
Yes.

Simple as.

>>508366556
>And so, I will no longer respond to you or read your comments.
didn't take long. i asked one question and you immediately carry on like this. strange.

i was wondering why you completely avoided talking about the words of Christ that really dont seem to mesh with your particular 'faith'. YOu cant possibly read matt 25 and think thats talking about entire nations of people...and what about Revelation? people from every people, every tribe, every nation, speaking every language?

>>508367255
No your not just wrong, you're brainwashed by fod knows what kind of retarded uneducated nonsense came out of the american backwater evangelical movement you got your ideas from.

>>508364965
it was applied to all of them. thing is, i dont see a problem with that while you do.

jews rejected Christ so nope

>>508350951 (OP)
what is the purpose of the overly exaggerated facial expressions in thumbnails. any youtube channel i see doing this i add to the blacklist.

especially the mouth open thing or highly distorted faces... wtf even are these?

Christian identity is both false and retarded and you're never going to get this going among white people.
Why do Christians love to lie so much?

>>508367540
Yup, pretty much.

>>508364965
>Semite
A group of people/languages that includes Jews
>Hebrew
Jew
>Israelite
Jew

>>508350951 (OP)
21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.

Why do you faggots NEVER read the context? EVER? It's literally in the fucking previous and next verses.

>>508367965
>Why do Christians love to lie so much?
in some sense they are the true jews, albeit I'd say the student surpassed the master
thing is, if they were sincere and simply said "look, jesus was a jew, but he was one of the good ones, like they appear in every group that has degenerated and wants to redeem them" they'd maybe have more success, instead they dig themselves even further with incessant gaslighting and lies

>>508367446
Genuinely is. I like to sort comments by new and laugh at seething kikes.

>>508367762
Evangelicals don’t teach this. I got it from Josephus and Strabo, Jewish and Greek historians from the time. It’s just facts. Educate yourself on the Maccabean revolt then come talk to me.

>>508350951 (OP)
It just means that Christ was a descendent of Abraham and David. The Mosaic Law was written to point the Jews toward Christ, and everything Jesus said about Jews and Israel was predicated on their acceptance of him as the Messiah.

>>508368236
>he was one of the good ones
>:Pontius pilot was a romam and he killed Jesus, but he was one of the good ones."

Shit's fucking retarded. Christianity isn't about being righteous it's about being forgiven.

>>508368236
Christianity is the fastest dying religion on earth and especially among white people. This Israel Iran shit is accelerating the hatred for Christianity among young white Americans because they see that it's all Christians advocating to fight for Israel. Trump attacked Iran, sealing the death of Christianity among the young white population. So there's hope yet.

>>508368634
Buddhism is already dead, and Islam is just a military junta.

>>508367430
Triggered that a super genius doesn't belief in your likely atheistic drivel view of our cosmos? The Asian Sensation will continue to trigger you ungodly people, this includes degenerate prots, islamists, Nazis, Jews, atheists and the ungodly e. 'orthodox' sects. Seeeeeeeeethe. Btw God's Angels will come as he cannot permit what happened to his holy Roman Catholic Church since liberal V-II and the sins of man have accumulated to huge levels. It will happens within this century.

>>508368862
What does that have to do with my post?

>>508368634

>>508368950
What other religions are there to say that Christianity is the fastest dying religion?
Communism?

>>508366980
>its also not followed by 99.99999999999999% of Christians, and you cant even convince those.

As is literally prophesied in Biblical scripture. Great falling away, strong delusion, etc. Not to mention the fact the the true faithful will be a small remnant in the end times, as stated in scripture. Not to mention the fact that Jesus says many professing nominal "Christians" who will come before him for judgement will be told "Depart from me; I never knew you." Truth is not decided by a popularity contest.

>>508368255
had it show up on my recommend screen once and immediately caught my attention
yt algorithms can be based sometimes

>>508350951 (OP)
Grow up fucktard.
The word isn't 'jews', it Ἰουδαίων, meaning Yehuda or Judah in English.
Christ was of the tribe of Judah and He is the salvation of the world.

>>508368593
point is, even I, who despises christians in general, can see how the figure itself of the christ has redeeming attributes, my idea is that very early followers of this jesus were the kind of jews that maybe were tired of the usual jewry, and jesus was basically redpilled on the nature of what was, however, still his own ethnic group
hell, even Nietzsche doesn't look down on the christ, despite raining hellfire upon christians

but /pol/ christians manage to make their religion even more revolting to whites, just the most braindead tactics imaginable, like adding more lies on the origins of Europeans at a time where we are already bombarded with mainstream propaganda

>>508369134
Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, shintoism, "folk" religions.
Paganism and new age stuff is the fastest rising religion among white people, for example.

>>508369358
And what about thw Roman's and the greeks?

>>508369500

>>508362876
You did not understand Buddhism if that is your conclusion

>>508369586
what about them?

>>508369709
Buddhism is the second fastest dying religion if it makes you feel better.

>>508369940
Where are they now?

>>508350951 (OP)
Watch this lesson on Dispensationalism to understand why Christianity is so ultimately cucked by jews.

Pretty much if your Christian denomination believes Revelation is speaking of end times and is meant to happen in the future you basically believe John Darby's schizo belief that most of the bible pertains to the kingdom of Israel after Christ's return.

You know that idea that all Christians get sent up to heaven and then the anti-Christ shows up? That's him, except they don't tell you that in the world where the Antichrist shows up the non-Christians are ruled by Jews from Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvnMTDW25S4

A lot of Christians don't realize their entire interpretation of the bible comes from Scofield's foot notes TELLING THEM what each old English bible verse is.

>>508370150
in the books

>>508368949
Doesn't believe.*
Christian ID btw is a laughable sect (ancient Israelites had their own genetic cluster and were Levantine med Caucasian people) and it is not even remotely close to the Catholic faith of God. Only within the trad Catholic faith will you find true miracles during the ages. Why even care about race to such a materialistic level when the afterlife is eternal? It's fine to have racial preferences but it's not the centre of the world. Every human can potentially get saved regardless of his race in any case.

>>508368634
>Christianity is the fastest dying religion on earth
because popularity at any one time in history indicates that movements truth value.

>>508367411
>every single negative thing you attribute to modern jews they got from ancient jews,
No actually, they didn't. Ancient Israelites had a temple and followed the written law, not an oral tradition (Talmud). Modern Jews do not keep the whole of the law of Moses, they literally can't. So you are talking out of your ass. Ancient Israelites didn't have synagogues either, their worship was centered on the temple in Jerusalem. Synagogues came into being after the Babylonian captivity, because in Babylon there was no temple and even in Jerusalem, there was no temple because the Babylonians destroyed it, just like Romans in 70 AD.

>>508369969
Your entire pathos is the reason why salvation is of the jews.

>>508370287
they did, read what exterior observers had to say about them, they were vermin, and even reading the OT is enough to perceive the yid stench to anyone who isn't a slave of theirs like americans

>>508370287
>So you are talking out of your ass.
It's his job.

>>508370257
Is that comfy place?

>>508370457

>>508370457
I would agree that even the ancient Israelites were detestable on the whole. Moses was on Sinai and they made a golden fucking calf. Constantly called whores by God in the OT. Destroyed not once, but TWICE as a nation. The first time for breaking the Mosaic covenant and the second time for murdering the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant and the law and prophets. Truly, satanic and hellspawned people and I do not care if modern Israel is wiped off the face of the earth. That said, I still think God used the most fucked up people on earth to bring the Messiah in to the world specifically because ancient Israel and 2nd Temple Jews were so evil. Had God come through the rational Greeks or the Stoic Romans or the organized Chinese it would have been too easy.

>>508367001
I found this other channel while checking out your link:

https://www.youtube.com/@ZoomerHistorian/videos

Quite the interesting titles/topics! And he's got like a quarter-million subs. Very impressive, and suprising.

>>508371270
>. Truly, satanic and hellspawned people
like everyone else. thats the whole point - a people taken into the Creators special care and they STILL pull all that shit and He still keep looking after them just like He said He would.

>>508367446
>>508371503

>>508367929
Someone said the yt algorithm prefers them or something.

>>508370233
thats somehow purely an american phenomenon.
dispensationalism happens when you let others teach you what the bible says and dont want to look into it yourself.

>>508371646
more like deceivedzoomer
you need wisdom and discernment which comes with age. there are more than enough +60 yo who admit they were wrong all along.

>>508367965
See: >>508369272

>>508351365
>fattest shabbos goyim calling out anyone for being stinky and retarded
peek comedy saar!

>>508371270
>I still think God used the most fucked up people on earth to bring the Messiah in to the world specifically because ancient Israel and 2nd Temple Jews were so evil. Had God come through the rational Greeks or the Stoic Romans or the organized Chinese it would have been too easy.
this is an enormous gamble, when the more linear explanation is that these snake oil salesmen just scammed some more, especially as it becomes more clear their so called "history" is a big lie
it's written all over the wall in antiquity, orientals were known to Greeks and Romans as cunning and untrustworthy

>>508371586
Except he isn't. If you are futurist in eschatology, you have to know that Israel is the Whore of Babylon - the woman riding on the beast in Revelation 17 and that Israel (Jerusalem) is going to be destroyed. The Sinai covenant ended in 70 AD because the Jews broke it and being a conditional covenant they got the curses even after he let a remnant come back to Jerusalem in order to fulfill the Abrahamic covenant. in Christ. Now? Now the Kingdom of God has been taken from them and their new attempt in the Levant is doomed to failure - even their rabbis that are not Zionist say this. Modern Israel is not a work of God but of the antichrist and Satan.

>>508350951 (OP)
So, the salvation idea is indeed of the jews. They needed to be saved, not just then but even today. So does everyone else once the offer was friendship instead of servitude. Anyways if any other religion which offered a personal relationship with God and had a written prophecy in which someone outside of time could easily fulfill, then I am sure God would have happily chosen some other group to make an example of.
Christians are going to keep sacrificing their dollars and lives for a group that will let them and exploit that, but then they will have no excuse as the master said. Anyways, read the entirely of John, muslims and jews, the eternal good cop bad cops, should read chapter 16 in particular. But salvation is basically the idea of saving yourself from yourself thru the grace of God. Lots of leftists hate the idea that they are at fault for anything and that is why they suffer so.

>>508368109
You act like he left out the context on accident.

>>508367923
The jews who accepted christ became christian

>>508350951 (OP)

Yeah Anon

Straight White Non Jewish territories and nations are needed... Some Christians are ok, but most "good Christians" are Judeo ones.

>>508372199
The gamble paid off and the prediction of Jesus that the Kingdom of God was to be taken from them and given to a nation worthy of bearing its fruits came to pass. Jesus also predicted the destruction of Jerusalem within a generation of his ministry. That too came to pass. Now, everyone but modern day Jews in Israel acknowledge the Christ and are discussing and have a conception of God based on the Law, the prophets, and the Gospels. Were it not for Jesus the Messiah and son of God, the world would never have known after 70 AD.

>>508372211
i wasn't talking about now anon, just the OT, though i do think God has not forsaken those people altogether and a remnant will be saved.

>>508370278
>Every human can potentially get saved regardless of his race in any case.

This concept makes little sense. Only those people who were under the Law can even commit sin (which is literally defined in scripture as violation of God's Law.) The Bible says that Jesus came to redeem his people. It also says that, as part of this process, it was necessary for him to be born of a woman who was under the Law. He paid the price (death) for his people's sins, as had been prophesied. Peoples who were not even under the Law have no need for redemption, which is literally a regaining of that which was lost.

>>508372560
>The gamble paid off
for jews, absolutely, they couldn't have hoped for something better, from being nearl genocided by Romans down to the last to the undisputed masters of Europe

>>508372081
Your religion isn't true and thus your end time prophecy doesn't mean anything. Jesus is never coming back and he never rose in the first place.

>>508370286
The falsehood of Christians is due to the false claims it makes. Christianity is dying because it is false.

>>508350951 (OP)
>Is Christianity really for us? Maybe its better for whites to have a paganist ethnoreligion like Japanese.
The japanese had to be bullied to make them stop selling CP magazines on street corners.
Bestiality is still legal in japan.
Japan has no law against animal cruelty.
It took serious international pressure to make them raise the age of consent from 13 to 18.
Japan still has a "hidden" underage prostitution industry because they don't actually care.
1/2 japanese men under 30 is locked in his room jerking off to freakish tranny furry hentai and thinks he is married to a video game character

So, you think we should be like Japan?

>>508372036
>Is there anything specific or general about his rhetoric that makes you say that?

>>508356617
https://biblehub.com/greek/1537.htm

>>508372811
over time every belief system experiences ups and downs. a better indicator of truth value is, like Jesus said, the fruit of that system. if something is popular or not doesn't really matter.

>>508372589
A remnant was saved - the Jews in the New Testament Church. There are some turning now but the vast majority of those in the 19th century through the present day have been atheist, communist etc etc. They are no longer God's "chosen" - the Church is.

>>508372036
>Purely American
You sure? Because it seems like euro Christians are doing the same shit, though perhaps for different reasons.

At the same time though, I've seen euro flags rant about Revelation in the way Darby saw it before.

a jew wrote that?
oy vey heckin based lets forget everything we know about the world and trust the single most inept people on earth to tell us all about it.
>a few moments later
- the earth is flat
- men have only existed for 6000 years
- theres many gods
- theres only one god
- theres three gods
- all sins are forgivable except denouncing the jewish holy spirit, whose a faggot
- Orpheus was actually a degenerate jew named Lot
- Perseus was actually a whiny jew named Jonah
- Pandora was actually an annoying jewess named Eve (steve?)
- we owe jews material wealth in exchange for their spiritual wealth

do you feel enriched yet?

>>508350951 (OP)
>Salvation is of the jews.
Growing up Catholic we were never taught this shit. It's a weird Evangelical thing. I never knew how pozzed the Protestant religions are with their weird jew/israel worship. My sister became born again and she believes the same crazy shit. Sounds like a cult member

>>508372683
Makes no sense. Jews were still scattered from the time of Christ until dispensational theology hit the US in the mid 1800's. I personally think this is part of the predicted great deception of the end times. Even now, once the evangelical boomers die off, there will be few if any dispensationalists left and the world and the church will go right back to hating the Jews.

>>508369272
>As is literally prophesied in Biblical scripture. Great falling away, strong delusion, etc
CI has been never been mainstream so it's not possible for christcucks to have fallen away from your larp.

>>508373016
Not sure if your post is meant to support or detract from my argument.

>>508350951 (OP)
In the past it was, to be again you must kill 90%+ of christcucks today

>>508372933
yes, an entire catalogue about Hitler
fuck that jesuit nigger pawn

>>508373133
>euro Christians
christianity has been dead in europe for a century now

>>508373343
makes perfect sense but like a fish in water you cannot see it, being completely and thoroughly conquered, physically and mentally, can't even see how the entirety of the western world bowing down to three jews is an astounding victory to them, there's no point in this discussion, you get and will get precisely what you deserve, tikkun olam and slavery

>>508373097
i do agree with that...but i cant shake the idea that He will still take care of all Israel in some way. i dont think He has abandoned israel. not that israel has to mean the current political entity.

>>508373321
it was catholic jesuits who came up with dispensationalism

>>508373343
>I personally think this is part of the predicted great deception of the end times.
id apply that to the idea of the whole 'left behind' teaching thats been so popular.

>>508350951 (OP)
>OP never actually read a meaningful amount of scripture

The story of the old testament is pretty much God working through the jews to develop his plan of bringing the messiah that will save humanity. They were a conduit of God and that story ended when the word was made flesh in Jesus Christ, who was part of the Abrahamic blood line, and was crucified as the ultimate atonement for humanity's rebellion. At that point, God's plan spread from the Jews out to all of humanity.

You also left out the verses before and after where Jesus speaks to a Samaritan woman who is confused because Jews didn't associate with Samaritans which is where this verse comes from. Right after this, Jesus pretty much says that he's the messiah and being a Jew is no longer of any significance to God.

>>508373360
>CI has been never been mainstream so it's not possible for [Christians] to have fallen away

An interesting reponse and point. I do not know the true historical beliefs of professing Christians around the time of the resurrection of Jesus, and so I will have to look into that.

>>508373723
israel isnt a thing since 70 AD anymore, judgement came upon them.
what you know as israel today is mostly edomite.

>>508350951 (OP)
Read the entire chapter, context helps
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-Chapter-4/

all I know is that Jews dont like Jesus so I will continue siding with my Christian Brothers even though I am a pagan

>>508356750
>You follow a prison ideology, Esau. Its literally black hebrew israelites for whites
You're a bourgeois money grubbing fake Christian. Your pastor is a boy raping faggot and so are you.

>>508373603
>yes, an entire catalogue about Hitler
>fuck that jesuit nigger pawn

I see what you mean. Although the historicity of the videos surely are what would be the interesting part. For example, I see where the uploader has a video describing the nature of the Nazi book-burnings, whereas this nature is almost never discussed in the West, even in so-called history classes where the book-burnings are on topic, etc.

>>508352422
whats the rothschild religion like? im guessing theres alot of humiliation at your expense for the satisfaction of jews?

like this human centipede
https://files.catbox.moe/xhtl9i.mp4

>>508368109
>Why do you faggots NEVER read the context?
Never assume these antichrists don't know what they're doing anon

>>508374218
didnt watch any video so I cant really judge. just saying I had enough history about ww2 and hitler for 3 lifetimes so Im not really a person that would be interested in that.
if you are him promoting your channel dont let yourself be discouraged by me.

>>508350951 (OP)
>Is Christianity really for us?
No. It's clearly a negro religion by negros for negros.

>>508350951 (OP)
Modern Jews are rabbinical anti Christian Pagans in service to Ba’al and eat kids. This happens every few generations and God has to straighten them out because God is based and the likes hate that. Whites are the who the bible is referring towards not Khazarian vampires and witches. Despite this salvation is for all. For more information visit a local Catholic or Orthodox or Coptic church depending on location and theological understanding.

>>508373693
They are completely lost, they have no idea how dangerous the death cultists in Israel and Jewish supremacists in general are to the world and humanity as a whole, there will be peace when all of them die.

>>508374221
the vatican bank is run by the rothschilds....

>>508351365
Kike seething nobody wants to worship his larping fake Jew pedo tribe

>>508373693
Agree. Your lack of objectivity blinds you. Talking to you is a waste of time.

>>508374121
i just dont see anything to indicate that God has completely abandoned the people HE used for all those years. i dont think they have any special claim on salvation or anything so dont misunderstand. But they are still His firstborn amongst the nations if we like it or not.

>>508369500
>Paganism and new age stuff is the fastest rising religion among white people, for example.
Interesting, and you sources are ? majority are becoming atheists as i know or agnostics...

>>508373893
Possibly.

>>508374467
Noted; all is well. I'm not that guy, but thought such content was surprising to see on yt.

>>508350951 (OP)
I'm just here to declare that

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AND THE KING OF ALL KINGS

thanks everyone for their attention.

Shills now can continue cope seethe and dilate profusely

>let's all worship Jews and their sand nigger cult

>>508374141
Based pagan brother who actually gets it

>>508367492
You're telling me this guy is Italian? An outraged Italian?

>>508375112
>I.N.R.(((I))):

>>508375178
We are White Aryan Romans saaaar

>>508368109
>>508372403
>>508374368
There is literally nothing about that context or surrounding verses that changes what OP said or salvation being of the jews.

>>508362808
Where is avenger's tower in real NYC?

>>508368109
Kikes never give the full context

>>508374913
dude, they were completely deported and dispersed in the entire roman empire as slaves.
nobody can identify who would be an israelite and who is not.
not even telling that israel was already a mix of edomites and all kinds of different people. when God deals with israel it will be on a personal level and not a nation level.

>>508375178
Even Banglajeets can understand proper cuisine better than Americans.

>>508350951 (OP)
Christianity is not for jews. Jews cannot be saved, they made their choice to worship satan.

>>508375250
King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Prince of Peace and God With Us
The Romans mocked Christ incessantly during the persecution and crucifixion process, do you think INRI wasn't part of the mockery too?

>>508374141
>>508375157
Not bad, despising both european pagan and christian past are a jewish thing indeed, no matter if it was perfect or not, since it was a reality itself and cannot be ignored or turned off, it seems that the Kike fatigue is uniting both true white pagans, atheists and christians in a common cause lmao

>>508374973
that always seemed the worst kind of lie - that God would take everyone away before anything bad happened. What better lie of the enemy to sow, as to cause the most amount of doubt when things get hard (if thats how it works out)? i never really went much into eschatology. never gave much creedance to the 9000 different schools that have their timelines all set out in stone because prophecy never seems to work out like that. theres always something we miss. im just happy to know that He's coming and all will be well. How we get there, i dont know.

>5 words
>didn’t even get the meaning of the 5 words
That’s why you exist. Chaff. A waste of skin, but not entirely because the waste is the point.

>>508350951 (OP)
They didn't want it. All the goyim are the real jews now

>>508375592
No, the Bible is very clear about the jewness of everything related to Jesus.
Not da kang of kangz but the literal King of the Jews and them mockery is not in "Jews" but in "King" because he was just a paesant.

why Americans try to find a new God all the time? here in Europe when we say I'm christian, most of the time we mean cultural christian, that is we espouse christian ethics and the human nature of Christ's teaching like humility, compassion and love for the neighbor, while we may doubt the whole divine-messianic biblical prophecies. Otherwise, if we all reject our christian roots we will end up being a bloodthirsty commie or barbarian atheists.

>>508375351
Read in Greek:
>Salvation is of Judah / Judeans
>Christ's human lineage is of the tribe of Judah
Do you think your semantics automatically make you right and that everyone lacks the understanding that you do?

>>508375406
>when God deals with israel it will be on a personal level and not a nation level.
and before there was a state of israal where all and sundry were going i would have agreed. i think something else is going on since 1948, though i dont know what. Might He not care for some in that place while merely tolerating the others? Only He knows who is who and where His promises apply after all. I dont know anon, i really dont.

>>508359824
i heard his mom was a downie sold into sex slavery at age 3. the aramaean liked boys tho. so he ended up using her to breed his own. and it actually worked. ended up creating a race of down syndrome descendants who were attacted to young boys and preferred the company of children. one thing leads to another and the aramaens friends grew impressed with the boys, as they looked normal, but so long as you didnt ask them anything directly on the spot theyd appear just like a fully functioning adult

cont..?

>>508375907
Sure thing buddy
Your elementary semantics are all you have to uphold your utter ignorance on the matter

>>508374623
what was christianitys purpose to begin with?
"dont forget to pay your taxes" - rabbi yeshua bar yosef aka "jesus christ" aka saul the pharisee

>>508376023
I'm not arguing semantics. You retards said that the surrounding context implies that salvation is not of the jews. Nothing in those surrounding context does that.
Your apologetics are pathetic and retarded. No amount of you trying to delineate different jews across space or time will change the reality that the Bible is the jewish religious book and Jesus was a jew. Your Christian identity dogshit is false and retarded. Give it up.

>>508350951 (OP)
>Salvation is of the jews.
Wrong. It says salvation is of the Judeans. Judean does not mean jew.
To explain that verse..
A fish is of the ocean.
Does that mean if you are eating a fish, it is always in the ocean?
Nope.
Salvation was of the Judeans (ie the non jew Israelites) but it no longer is because Jesus (ie the non jew savior) opened it to all.

>>508376074
israel was established with the help of the vatican to ultimately integrate them into the catholic church when their evil is fully exposed.
this is also the cause of dispensationalism, look at Israel and not the roman church as the harlot of babylon to discredit protestants and distract from mystery babylon.
shit has been going on since the middle ages.

>>508376454
oh fuck off with your sub par talking point and come up with something of substance.

>>508376458
So why do you insist on anchoring your argument on the 16th century translation of "Ioudaios" as "jew" instead of the nuanced and original meaning of it being "Judeans" or "of Judah"?
Do you see how dishonest this makes you look?
And if not blatantly dishonest, then woefully ignorant, and I don't know which is worse

>>508376458
Of the jews. As in human salvation will come from the Jews. Which pretty much just means Jesus was a Jew from the Abrahamic bloodline. Not sure how this implies preferential treatment or excludes non-jews in any way? Maybe you and OP are just retarded?

>>508376408
Denying that Jesus was a Jew is not even ingorance because one can't be unaware of the jewness of Jesus considering how many times it's written in the Bible, it's a pure cope but it's a nonsense cope, it's like repeating to yourself the same lie thousands of times hoping that it will magically become the truth.
Jesus was a Jew and nothing can change this fact. So, if you follow Christinaity you worship a Jew and his Jewish boyfriends.

>>508376614
>look at Israel and not the roman church as the harlot of babylon to discredit protestants
how do they do that?ive lived in jerusalem for quite and while and lots of the people i knew were big supporters of israel....but i dont see how what you say could happen. i was never really sully on board with all their ideas but i still just dont see in the BIble that the God of israel issac and jacob has abandoned His people. and no, again, that does necessarily mean the political entity that is modern israel. it may or may not be closely associated.

>>508376898
Jesus' human lineage was of the tribe of Judah, I've never denied that
He was a Judean, you dishonest turds insist on using the medieval English iteration of "jew" for your cartoonish arguments
You think that being crude and le edgy somehow makes you right, but it just makes you look more retarded and dishonest

>>508376458
>the surrounding context implies that salvation is not of the jews. Nothing in those surrounding context does that
It does imply that and the translation to "jew" is wrong anyway see >>508376585

>>508376898
>Jesus was a Jew
Historical Jesus was, in fact, not jewish.
"jew" is a concept invented and race created after Jesus and anachronistically applied to Jesus
'jew' does not mean Judean. They are separate words
It's like redefining the word "German" to mean "Nazi" and then saying Martin Luther was a Nazi because he was a German which now means Nazi and it "makes sense" because Germans and Nazis supposedly have some cultural overlap in the 1500s or some nonsense.
Peer review from a .org university website:
https://scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222008000300008
>The article demonstrates that this thesis is supported by Josephus and also by archaeological evidence. From the perspective of this thesis, the article contends that the term "Jew" does not apply to Galileans. First-century Galileans should rather be understood as "ethnic Judeans"
>>To reiterate: Galileans were not "Jews" who practiced a "religion" called "Judaism". When Jesus, the Galilean, was crucified as the "king of the Judeans" ;
> Following recent voices on this issue and on the proper translation of Ἰουδαῖος we should discard the terms "Jews" (and "Judaism") with regards to the people of Judea, the Diaspora, and Galilee as well, since these terms are anachronistic and misleading for the historical situation in question.
The word "jew" didn't exist in the days of Jesus and neither did a single analogous Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic word

Jesus was a Judean from Galilee thus it's historically wrong to label him the so called made up word "jew"

>>508376844
Words changing over time due to languages evolving doesn't change the meaning
Judeans are jews. Ioudaios is a type of jew. Being of Judah is being of a type of jew
Your pilpul means nothing and your white identity Christian larp is both false and retarded.

>>508377155
Gnesis 17
4 “As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram[b]; your name will be Abraham,[c] for I have made you a father of many nations.

nations is talking about gentile nations. what made Abraham righteous? his faith in God. the faith is now propagated throughout all nations on the world by the Church, not Israel.
it was always about faith in God and in Jesus Christ. modern israel follows the talmud more than the tanakh.
Abraham is the father not only to Israel the people, but all the nations and tribes and tongues that put their faith in God, that is his offspring.

>>508377491
>Jesus was a Judean from Galilee thus it's historically wrong to label him the so called made up word "jew"
so what was John saying? Where did John say salvation came from and what did he mean?

>>508376458
I know it’s so hard to see judean is different than Jew, but it’s different. Try having smarter parents.

>>508377491
>It does imply
No, it doesn't
>more pilpul about how judean isn't a type of jew
No amount of your apologetic cope trash can change reality. The Judeans are jews. They did Jewish things, believed in the Jewish God and believed the Torah is the word of God. Thus they are jews
The Bible is NOT the word of God and thus I don't give a shit about any Jewish or Christian nonsense. Jesus didnt rise and will never come back.

>>508375653
I grew up Dispensational, read all the books and owned a Scofield Bible. Wore that thing out. It was a lie. The book of Daniel was written for the Jews and was fulfilled in 70 AD. I am of the opinion that this is cyclical. Next up is the Church as described in Revelation. We are going through it. God was done with the Jews in 70 AD - whatever is going on in modern Israel is antichrist and not of God. Revelation itself tells us that. Compare "great city in Rev 11 and Rev 17. It's right there in the text. That and Jesus' condemnation of the Jews and Paul's epistles. Jews have to accept Christ as everyone does and are not special in any sense. Here they are 2000 years after Jesus still trying to pilpul God and make their own salvation.

>>508377696
>Ioudaios is a type of jew
Ok enjoy your last (You)
You are a liar buddy, nothing more
"jews" as we know them today are the Talmudic satanists whose "religion" didn't even get written down until centuries after Christ walked the earth

>>508378331
Jesus believed in something akin to sky father (father in heaven) while Jews /Old Testament believed in Yahweh. Archeologists say Yahweh was initially a child sacrificing god but later changed his mind.

>>508376234
Quoting the Talmud. . . .

>>508374624
tell us about the harry potter wizard battles he had
> so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. 13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
>15 And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”

translation: jewish conmen soon incorporated kike is king into their grift to sucker idiots into paying them
then they all stood around chanting: THE POWER OF KIKE COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF KIKE COMPELS YOU!
over and over and over
source, literally nobody except the grifters themselves. not a single independent testimony or accounting of events. always from the people in on the grift (all jews too)

>>508377742
>nations is talking about gentile nations.
as spiritual father sure and thats the ultimate point..but he was also the father of the nations of israel.
>modern israel follows the talmud more than the tanakh.
at the moment they do..or they are secular and are like most western people in their beliefs.
>Abraham is the father not only to Israel the people, but all the nations and tribes and tongues that put their faith in God, that is his offspring.
Yes, spiritually i agree completely. i just wonder if He will bless those people with calling many of them from darkness into the light of His Son, not for anything they did themselves, but just out of His honoring their long relationship. i dont know what form that honoring might take - physical protection maybe? stuff like that.

i still consider the jew the elder brother but only because their ancestors were involved long before mine were; any recent jewish convert is another brother. it doesn't mean he's superior as such

>>508378651
Jews in the OT were a hot mess. They openly worshipped pagan deities and still do (abortion is akin to Molech etc)

>>508350951 (OP)

>>508351543
Buddhism is indian so i dont give a shit.

>>508350951 (OP)
Christianity is for kike worshippers.

>>508378331
>Jews have to accept Christ as everyone does and are not special in any sense.
in terms of salvation i agree completely. but He's always looked after them even when they rejected His law and commandments, even if that care took the form of destruction and exile from the land. Now, instead as in times past, i think their reformation will take the form of faith in Christ rather than a coming back to the law as in OT times.

>>508379108
and were rightly chastised for it sometimes very harshly.

>>508377155
cant abandon something that was never found to begin with
but im sure you equate the godliness to the spirit which unites them and keeps them trapped in time, like a relic from a museum. nothing divine about it tho, just your standard conditioning like you would a puppy

>>508373693
incredibly based
live on

>>508379020
>nations of israel.
nation, or tribes of israel. sure. and they had the Lords blessing until they rejected their Messia (many israelites accepted him after his death, and many of the israelites in foreign nations).
>at the moment they do..
I am always glad about messianic jews who accept Jesus even to this day in Israel.
>i just wonder if He will bless those people with calling many of them from darkness into the light of His Son
everyone who has faith in the God of Abraham and believes in his Son Jesus Christ is of the same faith Abraham had and is part of his spiritual offspring, since Abraham was first.
>any recent jewish convert is another brother. it doesn't mean he's superior as such
thats exactly what Paul teaches

>>508362876
All religions are "life-hating". Maybe you want hedonism.

>>508379402
>>508379504
And so, their current rejection of the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant will result in their destruction, again. This thing with Iran is just one more nail in their eventual coffin. Their coming back to the land is only so Revelation 17 can be fulfilled. Exactly what happened on their return from Babylon after breaking the covenant the nation made with Israel at Sinai. Except this time its worse - these are the ones who say they are Jews and are not.

>>508373934
That still means you're following Jewish history and mythology and worshipping a Jew who opened up salvation to goyim, how insulting to think Aryans need to be saved by a Jew and replace their own history and myth with Jewish history and myth, you should be embarrassed.

>>508350951 (OP)
>John 4:22
It just means that jesus was born in the jewish lands

>>508377225
>Jesus' human lineage was of the tribe of Judah
This is enough to meke Christianity a non-European religion.
>He was a Judean
Judean = Jew. Stop coping on tribes names: Judeans, Israelites, Galileans, Samaritans etc... all ancestors of the Jews in the modern terms.

>>508377491
Same as what I said above: all these tribes and kingdoms names are just pipul, they all are ancestors of what today we call Jews.

>>508377860
>Where did John say salvation came from
He wasn't saying where it came from in that verse.
Something being in a former place does not inherently mean it came from that place.
If some dopey loser says he loved girl A but then loved girl B that does not mean his love "came from" girl A in the sense it emanated from her or originated in her. She was just the receiver.
>so what was John saying?
In that context the Judeans were the current receivers of salvation.
Like saying today a fish is of the river but tomorrow the same fish might be of a lake.

>>508378811
>he doesnt unironically read the talmud
ngmi
youre not interested in the minds of the 'chosen ones'? the ones who laid sight on the creator of all things? you just blindly follow them, based on their heavily editorialized, carefully curated stories approved for goyim eyes?
fuck that, i like to speak to these people. i like to make fun of them for their complete absence of any and all spiritual aptitude that even poos make them look like a joke. the way they imagine reality to be is nothing short of hilarious. you goyim who follow them on the other hand, theres nothing funny about you. youre just sad and soulless freaks who sold your souls to a jew who never even existed. theyre just sitting in limbo somewhere, probably awaiting destruction if they couldnt even clear the simplest of trials.

>>508378262
>not a single refutation of what I said
Cry harder faggot
Historical Jesus was not a jew and I easily proved it with top quality sources.

>>508380249
>Judean = Jew
Wrong. See proof here >>508377491
>they all are ancestors of what today we call Jews
>Source: kikes say trust me.
You can trust what jews say but I don't

>>508380948
the modern talmud and judaism wasnt a thing until long after christianity spread
learn some history

>>508350951 (OP)
Get back in the bunker, moshe. Gonna be another rough night.

>>508380950
there were no jews of the bible
theres an entire recorded history which happened, dozens of different peoples all talking to and about one another, and no jews, hebrews, israelites, were ever mentiomed. why? because jews made it up. its fake. the sole creator of reality? choosing anyone? flat earth? 6000 years old? made from dirt? woman from a rib?

nigger we can gene splice now
there is no excuse for you to be as retarded as midwit jewish fishermen were 2000 years ago. you fuckers belong in a museum next to grug and the other cave men

>>508362363
Not even that, it's the fact that Christianity was proto-communism.

The entire religion of Judaism and the Old Testament is about slave liberation. The figure of Jesus takes traditional Caesarist imagery and makes it into a leftist mockery - the Star of the East which was above Augustus Caesar's birth and the gods singing was mocked with Jesus being born in a cave / stable. Instead of a chariot, Jesus marches in on a donkey. It was said that Augustus Caesar was taken up by the gods on his funeral pyre; instead of a noble death, Jesus is taken up to Heaven after he dies a humiliating slave death.

The entire figure of Jesus is a leftist parody of Rome. Christianity was an art-destroying victimhood cult for primarily women and slaves, and just like Antifa and Black Lives Matter, Christianity instigated riots to destroy pagan temples and art - one needs to read about the death of Hypatia or the destruction of the Serapeum to see some examples of Christian "love, not hate."

By adopting Christianity, you only enable leftism, because leftists can point to Christianity as universal proof of their moral values. This is ignoring the fact that Christianity and Judaism was utterly repulsive to people like Cicero, Marcus Aurelius, and several Roman Emperors.

Fuck Jesus the communist Jew

>>508380950
>the chosen race of god
What god? Do a deep dive on the history of YHWH.

>>508350951 (OP)
Real Whites worship God only.
The answer is to stop importing jeets and naggers.

>>508379772
Cope by losers

>>508377491
Read Matthew 1 nigger, he was born from the tribe of Judah

>>508381984
>Real whites base their religion on Hebrew scriptures, everything beyond Hebrew scriptures is evil

>>508381481
like half of the talmud is made up of the mishnah, which is contemporary with your jew testament. so it helps us to understand the sort of things jesus (who never existed) was so adamant he go to the temple to learn.

ill tell you right now alot of it has to do with how to eliminate spirituality from others in like manner to the jews. that way the only spirituality which exists is in your mind, and not in the world. i guess jews find it offensive. it reminds them of their bad rng.

>>508380950
So did Pilate write that Jesus was "King of the Judeans?" Because the phrase "King of the Jews" in the Greek clearly says "King of the Judeans"

>>508356617
we wuz kangz

>>508380950
You would think a Christcuck would know basic Greek terms in the New Testament. Are you gonna tell me next that "Christ" doesnt come from the Hebrew "Moshiach" or "anointed on"

>>508380950
The true meme is "We wuz da real jooz" said by white Christians, don't switch sides in meme pics like leftists do.

>Judean = Jew. Wrong
Jews descend from Judeans and other tribes. And I tell you more: "Jew" is an English term but for example in my language the word for "Jew" and the word for "Judean" are the exact same (Giudeo in both cases).

>You can trust what jews say but I don't
Trust what the Romans and other peoples said about those ancient Judeans/Galileans etc and you can easily notice how their behavior was described as identical to the behavior of modern Jews.

>>508375350
nice

>>508382255
Depends what other religions say what's good and evil. But yes everyone on Earth used to be White. Adam and Eve were White. We weren't brownoids millions of years ago.

>>508382450
Jesus exactly called them out for their hypocrisy and legalism opposed to the tanakh.

>>508376188
big oof

>>508376825
nice oc

>>508378651
Correct Jesus believed in God the Father however Jesus is Yahweh/Jehovah of the OT. He's both the God of the OT and the son of God.