Thread 508365759 - /pol/ [Archived: 951 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: HxyV7MmVNorway
6/22/2025, 9:07:57 PM No.508365759
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Hate Nick all you want, but this is THE BEST summary I have ever heard on the entire Israel / Middle East / Zionism conflict
Highly worth a listen
https://x.com/FuentesUpdates/status/1936634175903449456
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Anonymous ID: FhfSEJE5Mexico
6/22/2025, 9:10:19 PM No.508366008
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>>508365759 (OP)
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Anonymous ID: FYqKe8PXUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:12:58 PM No.508366265
>>508366008
Not dying for Israel, paco
Anonymous ID: /v4gMfc5United States
6/22/2025, 9:14:27 PM No.508366430
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>>508366008
burn in hell jidf
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Anonymous ID: h0wp+BF5United States
6/22/2025, 9:15:15 PM No.508366528
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>>508365759 (OP)
I started watching special agent Fuentes after October 7th and he has perfectly predicted every move Israel made since then.
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Anonymous ID: fCnxZyEiGermany
6/22/2025, 9:15:43 PM No.508366586
>>508365759 (OP)
Does he talk about how a bunch retarded dictators kept doing stupid shit or does he blame it all on Israel and the US like some retarded leftist.
Anonymous ID: GvkRoMg+
6/22/2025, 9:17:39 PM No.508366813
>>508365759 (OP)
Thanks for the link anon
Anonymous ID: OJzboMQsUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:17:47 PM No.508366829
>>508366008
We should issue all our beaners and immigrants a draft notice and send them over there. Kinda solves all our problems desu.
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Anonymous ID: XAWwQR25Chile
6/22/2025, 9:17:55 PM No.508366842
>>508366528
Scam the US for money, bomb innocent civilians, if attacked scam US for money, bomb civilians, if questioned scam US for money bomb civilians
Anonymous ID: F8jwoa1lUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:19:28 PM No.508367027
>>508365759 (OP)
Cool that Nickโ€™s finally done shilling Zion Don but never forget the years of TRUST THE PLAN and how he said Trump should bomb Iran on his telegram back in 2018.
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Anonymous ID: wA5f9NrqGermany
6/22/2025, 9:19:30 PM No.508367032
>>508365759 (OP)
>from 1948
way too late. what about the Balfour declaration?
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Anonymous ID: F8jwoa1lUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:20:22 PM No.508367144
>>508366829
Theyโ€™re sending Americans because they can just replace the losses with migrants
Anonymous ID: DsGPBBW+Germany
6/22/2025, 9:21:38 PM No.508367293
>>508365759 (OP)
No I don't hate the kid. But I don't really watch his show or podcast or whatever it is. Say what you like about that kid but you can't say he doesn't always wear really nice shirts.
Anonymous ID: lc/G5zqbCanada
6/22/2025, 9:22:26 PM No.508367374
>>508365759 (OP)
>Hey guise, watch this spic recite verbatim a post that a Croatian made 17 months ago.
k.
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Anonymous ID: qQenY3luLatvia
6/22/2025, 9:23:38 PM No.508367521
>>508367027
His IQ is only slightly above average in my estimation. He's extraverted too so it took him a long time to finally escape audience capture.
Anonymous ID: 8l3VmoMaUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:25:12 PM No.508367744
>>508367032
Multiple drafts, a concoction to give Israel legitimacy.
Anonymous ID: 6A3ddDhqRomania
6/22/2025, 9:25:47 PM No.508367804
Apology to Fuentes Form
Apology to Fuentes Form
md5: 57df2d9064414a5019cc11b8c36cfca6๐Ÿ”
>>508365759 (OP)
You can also complete this form while you are at it
Anonymous ID: s6ue6B/8United States
6/22/2025, 9:26:47 PM No.508367925
>>508367032
Belfor and the Haavara Agreement
Anonymous ID: KteVCLlXMexico
6/22/2025, 9:43:49 PM No.508369872
>>508366829
WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK HAS BEEN FIGHTING YOUR WARS SINCE KOREA?
>Ramirez!
Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 9:45:40 PM No.508370086
19 minutes in, so far pretty good. A good summary/refresher, share it to normies who don't know.
Anonymous ID: HsZFV/TbUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:45:47 PM No.508370099
love this city
love this city
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I'd 100% be down to support Nick if he offered any sort of alternative
Saying "Trump is a Zionist" and offering no alternative just makes you seem like you're stirring division. We know, now what can we do to help our own movement?
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Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 9:47:18 PM No.508370263
>>508370099
>Saying "Trump is a Zionist" and offering no alternative just makes you seem like you're stirring division. We know
Clearly not enough people know. Way more redpilling needs to be done.
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Anonymous ID: TgpCWil+United States
6/22/2025, 9:49:27 PM No.508370505
rightoids who get all their information from memes and fox news think Nick's twitter is the only place to learn the history of israel.
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Anonymous ID: 1gsG0R8mUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:51:09 PM No.508370720
>>508367374
>>Hey guise, watch this spic recite verbatim a post that a Croatian made 17 months ago.

Every good take Nick has ever had was directly lifted from pol. Whenever he tries to come up with takes of his own(such as "vote for this rapper having a very public mental health episode" and "i hate JD Vance for calling me a loser so actually Tim Walz is a totally normal guy"), it blows up in his face
Anonymous ID: HsZFV/TbUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:51:22 PM No.508370740
>>508370263
Perhaps not, but Nick's groyper war 2 was nothing short of a political temper tantrum, and anyone who pronounces it "ee-rawn" is a faggot
Anonymous ID: 5q5NkxgMUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:52:50 PM No.508370909
>>508365759 (OP)
>40 minute video on twitter

holy fuck why
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Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 9:54:36 PM No.508371093
>>508370505
Nobody is saying it's the only way you lying faggot.
>>508370909
>waah why isn't this a sub 60 second vertical tiktok/youtube short!? I can't concentrate longer than that!
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Anonymous ID: Fx2QzP8ANorway
6/22/2025, 9:55:51 PM No.508371231
>>508370505
Name a better NON-POZZED place to learn it, then
Anonymous ID: 5q5NkxgMUnited States
6/22/2025, 9:57:04 PM No.508371358
>>508371093
are you retarded, Im asking for it to be on a different platform, twitter video is a fucking joke
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Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 9:59:44 PM No.508371662
>>508371358
Fair enough I guess, there is a Rumble version too

https://rumble.com/v6v5x9h-the-entire-history-of-israel-explained.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a
Anonymous ID: 8K2swaR3Romania
6/22/2025, 9:59:51 PM No.508371673
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>>508366008
>Da mooslim
>JIDF can't meme
Anonymous ID: Fx2QzP8ANorway
6/22/2025, 9:59:57 PM No.508371678
>>508371358
It's on his Rumble
Anonymous ID: 1gsG0R8mUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:03:42 PM No.508372074
>>508370909
>>40 minute video on twitter
>holy fuck why

Nick needs his pay piggies to pony up for some more overpriced designer streetwear
Anonymous ID: GvkRoMg+
6/22/2025, 10:08:01 PM No.508372540
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>>508366008
at least post the original
Anonymous ID: F4vxrqhVBosnia and Herzegovina
6/22/2025, 10:09:30 PM No.508372690
>>508367374
Do you have a screenshot of the post?
Anonymous ID: M9rGv93IIsrael
6/22/2025, 10:14:27 PM No.508373166
>>508365759 (OP)
>guys, you should like him because...JEWS!!!
apparently the woke right is the griftmaxing phase
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Anonymous ID: Gyb6h4taUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:19:59 PM No.508373726
>>508365759 (OP)
Bump

Fuentes' qrd on JD Vance's shady past and the end game of Vance's handler Palantir is equally must viewing for /pol/aks
https://rumble.com/v6u9aez-trump-gives-palantir-full-control-over-surveillance-state.html
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Anonymous ID: GvkRoMg+
6/22/2025, 10:21:23 PM No.508373879
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>>508373166
Based subhuman kike.
The only reason I like him is because kikes like you dislike him lol
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Anonymous ID: XErK42B5United States
6/22/2025, 10:22:28 PM No.508373984
>>508365759 (OP)
This little faggot has never even been to the Middle East let alone left his basement.
He doesn't have a fucking clue except the shit he reads online which is all lies and propaganda.
It's insane how many retards listen to him. He's the blind leading the blind.
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Anonymous ID: M9rGv93IIsrael
6/22/2025, 10:30:52 PM No.508374824
>>508373879
The only reason
that's kind of sad
Anonymous ID: ZkeFPX4uUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:40:49 PM No.508375949
Based
Anonymous ID: tNSNNqCaUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:41:13 PM No.508375991
>>508365759 (OP)
He completely misses the weapons shipments from Czechoslovakia that Stalin opposed. This ultimately got Stalin killed by the jews in the doctor's plot. Things are more jewed than you can possibly fathom.
Anonymous ID: rjch/8RtGermany
6/22/2025, 10:44:45 PM No.508376393
very true and informative
Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 10:46:17 PM No.508376565
>>508373726
Thanks for the link. I heard a little bit about Palantir before and it didn't sound good.
Anonymous ID: 2ca+I6UmUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 10:46:25 PM No.508376588
>>508365759 (OP)
It's political journalism/commentary for Zoomer retards.
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Anonymous ID: 00gbAelkUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:47:18 PM No.508376698
>>508365759 (OP)
My only issue is that boomers will say Iraq invaded Kuwait and he didnโ€™t mention Afghanistan
Anonymous ID: dfON54zABrazil
6/22/2025, 10:48:52 PM No.508376874
>>508365759 (OP)
If what he said at the end materializes then we have a grim future ahead of us.
The Israelis dominating the entire MENA is bad news
Anonymous ID: 8L4l2osDUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:50:19 PM No.508377024
why do you right wing retards compulsively listen to political pundits?
like you are so insecure you need someone to constantly repeat WORDS to soothe your tiny pea brains?
you cant think for yourself?
pathetic.
Anonymous ID: Mlzsjmc8United States
6/22/2025, 10:50:26 PM No.508377037
>>508370263
I donโ€™t know what is wrong with you retards. Apparently I was the only one that wasnโ€™t shocked by trump bombing Iran. Anyone with an iq above 4 knew he was a Zionist.
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Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 10:52:01 PM No.508377211
>>508377037
Nobody here is shocked, nobody is saying they're shocked so I don't know why you think otherwise. I'm talking about normies, though most of them are impossible to convince I'm guessing.
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Anonymous ID: xLxRjX4xUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:52:28 PM No.508377264
>>508373984
Which lie? Mark the time in the video where he lies, please
Anonymous ID: xLxRjX4xUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:53:59 PM No.508377447
The Next One Will Have to be Bigger
The Next One Will Have to be Bigger
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>>508373166
tick tock
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Anonymous ID: rRtv6NxOUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 10:54:13 PM No.508377470
>>508365759 (OP)
Is this the kind of thing I can share with Boomers and they'll listen?
Asking as I need to get some Boomers to listen (I will listen shortly)
Anonymous ID: zac/ucI6United States
6/22/2025, 10:54:54 PM No.508377566
wait so hezbollah isn't backed by iran? iran literally dindu nuffin?
Anonymous ID: ZkeFPX4uUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:55:09 PM No.508377594
>>508376588
>being contrarian against the contrarian for the sake of being contrarian

Cringe. You can recite the entire history of the last 80 years of the middle east in a digestible format that tells the truth about Israel, which no one else is doing with a platform. KYS, retard
Anonymous ID: VpxGfFyEUnited States
6/22/2025, 10:55:58 PM No.508377684
>>508366008
I hate to be the one to tell you, but itโ€™s still TKD bud
Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 10:56:58 PM No.508377798
>>508373984
Ah, so israel is actually a 100% peaceful nation and they wuz gud kikes they dindu nuthin. Thanks for clarifying...you twat.
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Anonymous ID: FfGtUNGRPortugal
6/22/2025, 10:57:12 PM No.508377827
>>508365759 (OP)
Nick, I'm a fan of your work, but it would be easier if you just bought an ad
Anonymous ID: NXQhyG85United States
6/22/2025, 10:57:15 PM No.508377831
twitter advertising
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I love you, Nick! I hope you see my post.
Anonymous ID: zac/ucI6United States
6/22/2025, 10:58:35 PM No.508377983
so when hezbollah attacks US embassies and bases that's definitely got nothing to do with iran, they didn't do anything, right?
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Anonymous ID: rRtv6NxOUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 10:59:03 PM No.508378031
>>508377447
Based.
>judea delende est
Anonymous ID: EEd+L00FUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:00:02 PM No.508378147
Nick is redpilling millions. The problem is, we don't have someone similar to him that focuses on race redpills. When's the last time you actually saw an IQ graph being posted? It doesn't exist anymore. There is no mass awakening when it comes to race, we're all just getting very angry about jews.
Who knows, maybe that's the right way to go. Unite everyone against the jews. But, I think those race redpills are very important in the long term
Anonymous ID: XErK42B5United States
6/22/2025, 11:01:45 PM No.508378341
>>508377798
Fuck you.
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Anonymous ID: EEd+L00FUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:01:45 PM No.508378344
>>508377983
Bro the US military funds all kinds of terror groups, including Isis and Al Quaeda. Literally tearing down legitimate governments and replacing them with headcutting baby chopping terrorists, like what happened in Syria.
For you to cry foul about Hezbollah is pretty ridiculous. They have their own opinions and motivations, who supplies them is beside the point. They can acquire arms from many different sources.
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Anonymous ID: NZtbsa9TCanada
6/22/2025, 11:03:18 PM No.508378558
WANT TO KNOW WHY JEWS PAY SHILLS TO SMEAR NICK FUENTES ONLINE 24/7?
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/image/139a5uMMrgdNBAYf8UtRYA/

BECAUSE OF THIS:
https://rumble.com/c/nickjfuentes
https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes

>Con Inc CO-OPTS the Immigration Moratorium Position
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>Tim Pool is a FRAUD
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>Conservatism is DEAD
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>White People are DONE with Black Violence
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>The Effort to Delegitimize Criticism of Jews
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>The PSYOP to Undermine the Mass Awakening
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>Jews HATE The Catholic Church
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>The Online Right Has Gone Full Circle
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>Your Body, My Choice
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>Most Banned Man In America | Jake Shield's Fight Back Ep.9
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>It's Time to Tell the Truth about Jewish Power
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>The Fake Controlled Right Wing
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>Nick Fuentes vs Gavin McInnes | Zionism DEBATE
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Anonymous ID: 66fMyk5WUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:03:54 PM No.508378646
>man with the highest iq in the world, supports war

what now spicwit.
Anonymous ID: dpB+BfpHUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:04:37 PM No.508378731
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>>508366008
shalom!
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Anonymous ID: zac/ucI6United States
6/22/2025, 11:05:17 PM No.508378810
>>508378344
>who supplies them is beside the point
is it? so iran really dindu nuffin? do you honestly believe that?
Anonymous ID: xLxRjX4xUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:11:26 PM No.508379583
mad
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>>508378341
:3
Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 11:13:58 PM No.508379916
Am listening to the Palantir video now, mad how they easily bypassed the constitution just by privatising the company lel. Oh boy can't wait for this shit to come here, Reform UK are already talking about DOGE, which will no doubt include similar guys.
Anonymous ID: 2/AHHJgrUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:14:57 PM No.508380043
>>508376588
Yes. And?
They arent getting it anywhere else. Calling the ignorant masses "retards" is counterproductive and pointless, unless you really needed a confidence booster.
Anonymous ID: Ae1nI9PrCanada
6/22/2025, 11:16:35 PM No.508380265
>>508365759 (OP)
that's cool but can he now tell us the history of how he started sucking nigger cock
Anonymous ID: 8bOvSXgAUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:19:16 PM No.508380618
>>508365759 (OP)
Bump, more people need to know what's really going on.
Anonymous ID: XEmfXARySerbia
6/22/2025, 11:26:57 PM No.508381604
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>>508366008
You seriously thing this will work?
nobody wants to die for kikes shlomo. this is some lowest of low propaganda. fucking pathetic effort.
Anonymous ID: avLnJUqxUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 11:32:01 PM No.508382237
>>508366008
Total kike death.
Anonymous ID: avLnJUqxUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 11:32:37 PM No.508382314
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>>508365759 (OP)
This world is hell. The kike is the devil.
Anonymous ID: hDNDXUPlUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:34:12 PM No.508382509
>>508366430
JIDF is very busy today. Many many jeets are typing furiously in their keyboards. I wonder what those look like.
Anonymous ID: KEt/fcKVUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:38:32 PM No.508383027
>>508366008
Yes exactly . I donโ€™t think people on the right realize how many Muslims are in the world. So many of them are pushing this while pretending they are American first.
Anonymous ID: FKyZTjMsUnited States
6/22/2025, 11:38:54 PM No.508383069
>>508377211
Ok so you can stop posting this script ready faggot spic then. Normies aren't going to listen because they have to go to work and take care of their families, unlike this nigher lover Fuentes. It's evident you have no life cause the past 5 days it's just been relentless anti-American shilling from the same terminally online 10 dipshits.
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Anonymous ID: bqO4gOlXCanada
6/22/2025, 11:40:55 PM No.508383290
>>508378731
kek
Anonymous ID: 8y3syCb5Norway
6/22/2025, 11:41:18 PM No.508383330
>>508366008
You really think a brownoid would do that? Go online and LARP as a westerner aligned with his geopolitical interests?
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Anonymous ID: 9QN2oaWTUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 11:41:30 PM No.508383348
>>508367032
he's a zoomoid and used Wikipedia and ChatGPT
Anonymous ID: DwkauPS1United States
6/22/2025, 11:41:46 PM No.508383380
>>508366008
Wetback is all for kikes now that heโ€™s got a fem hebe president.
Anonymous ID: 2qpt8K1mUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 11:43:32 PM No.508383583
>>508383069
Cry about it kike
Anonymous ID: fIxrJh+o
6/22/2025, 11:43:57 PM No.508383623
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>>508383330
Opposing Israel is white
Anonymous ID: rRtv6NxOUnited Kingdom
6/22/2025, 11:44:09 PM No.508383644
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>>508365759 (OP)
Remembering the Rosebergs suddenly...
Fucking hell. Yids really are evil.
>He was right.
Anonymous ID: h4/XSJLTCanada
6/22/2025, 11:45:41 PM No.508383825
jewishtricks
jewishtricks
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>>508366008
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6/22/2025, 11:52:05 PM No.508384646
>>508365759 (OP)
Pretty good summary he did better job than some historians