A theocratic America under the Catholic and Orthodox Churches - /pol/ (#508419361) [Archived: 939 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 5:50:29 AM No.508419361
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We need to go back -- to the medieval period. Modernity is internally deadening and nihilistic. The entire Age of Enlightenment and Age of Reason and Scientific Revolution and Industrial Revolution and Era of Exploration were major mistakes.
People were happier in the medieval Europe because they had absolute faith and the Church had real power in their lives. We need Church authority in the modern world too; end the so called separation of Church and State and institute Biblical law as the only law. Any law not found in the Bible need not exist.

Protestantism is a major mistake, a modernist movement on the path to atheism and nihilism. It destroys all mysticism and mystery. Only the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have the power to end the nihilism of the modern age.
This means, of course, we'll have to dynamite the foundations of Protestant America and of Northern Europe. Every Protestant Church should be burnt and rebuilt as a beautiful Catholic or Orthodox church.
We need a massive and violent religious awakening across the modern world, one that kills and replaces the modern world. We don't need foreign wars. We need internal religious wars to remake our culture from the bottom up. We need conversion by the sword and mandatory worship in church several days per week. If people can spend forty hours per week at a meaningless job, then they can spend twenty hours a week, easily, in church performing worship and undergoing religious education.
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Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 5:54:45 AM No.508419696
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>Protestantism is a major mistake
Just move to Rome or admit it's been satanic for a thousand years
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Anonymous ID: ER7yCCFIUnited States
6/23/2025, 5:56:21 AM No.508419806
>>508419361 (OP)
Because only low iq retards like you would be satisfied
Anonymous ID: ek2iqD+VUnited States
6/23/2025, 5:57:32 AM No.508419902
>>508419361 (OP)
these people were the same ones that retrofitted your society during the period of the 1800`s the same people that found the old buildings of that period
Anonymous ID: ek2iqD+VUnited States
6/23/2025, 5:58:50 AM No.508419986
>>508419696
Rome already came to US before the iberian and before the enlightenment period
Anonymous ID: GxLtssVFUnited States
6/23/2025, 5:59:29 AM No.508420041
Darby Day
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>>508419696
>Israel reforming is a godly event!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5KRTc9uCNw
Skip to 56 minutes in to watch Protestant cucking.
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Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 6:02:48 AM No.508420309
>>508420041
You idiots lump everything that isnt Catholic or Orthodox into "Protestant". If you found Simon Magus today, you'd call him "some type of Protestant". You are like a child.
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Anonymous ID: nVTACCvxAustralia
6/23/2025, 6:03:00 AM No.508420331
>>508419361 (OP)
Orthodoxy is a meme and doesn't have any relevance to America
most orthobros are protestants that hate protestant aesthetics
Anonymous ID: GBS3lFt6Australia
6/23/2025, 6:09:24 AM No.508420776
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>>508419361 (OP)
>We need to go back -- to the medieval period
A childish delusion unfortunately. TradLARPing won’t fix anything. The “enlightenment” happened and it happened for reasons, some legitimate, many not. But burying your head in the sand and trying to find pretend it never happened is stupid. Everyone posting his is a child of liberalism whether they like it or not. You need to look to post-liberalism, not trying to resurrect a corpse.

>People were happier in the medieval Europe because they had absolute faith
Many had very complex relationships with their faith, things like prostitution were still very common, pretending everyone was utterly pious is pseudo-history.
>and the Church had real power in their lives.
It can have real power in your life right now.

>Protestantism is a major mistake, a modernist movement on the path to atheism and nihilism.
That’s retarded. Many Protestants were attempting to RETVRN to tradition. You have a Reddit-tier view of the reformation.
t. Catholic
>It destroys all mysticism and mystery.
Works cited = zero
>Only the Catholic and Orthodox Churches have the power to end the nihilism of the modern age.
Daily reminder that the healthiest Christian communities are groups the the Amish.

>1BPTID
This is a bait thread
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 6:11:42 AM No.508420953
>>508420776
Oh yes, tens of millions in America alone harbor violent hatred for today's world and could be formed into an army to attack and destroy all modern institutions, like in the final days of the Roman Empire.
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Anonymous ID: GBS3lFt6Australia
6/23/2025, 6:13:07 AM No.508421044
>>508420953
>addressed zero of the point made
Checks out
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 6:26:27 AM No.508422024
>>508421044
Your points are irrelevant.
The fact remains, a violent Christian revival that institutes a totalitarian Christian theocracy is what people crave and need.
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Anonymous ID: hIxhBolkUnited States
6/23/2025, 6:34:10 AM No.508422596
>>508419361 (OP)
>The most wealthy powerful nation in the history of the world was founded by militant anti-Papist
>The other hasn’t even been touched by popery
>Let’s bring it back to places it never touched so we can all be poor and pathetic
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 6:35:46 AM No.508422733
>>508422596
>>Let’s bring it back to places it never touched so we can all be poor and pathetic
Money is irrelevant, and people who treasure money over faith will burn forever. They have chosen to deny God.
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Anonymous ID: Xp12p3VWSweden
6/23/2025, 6:38:23 AM No.508422914
>>508419361 (OP)
>We need to go back -- to the medieval period.
So back to Kings and Queens?
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 6:39:12 AM No.508422982
>>508422914
Absolutely, yes
Only absolute monarchy by divine right is Biblical and accepted by God.
Republics and Democracies are Satanic.
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Anonymous ID: Xp12p3VWSweden
6/23/2025, 6:40:23 AM No.508423073
>>508422982
Well what period of the middle ages and where geographically?
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 6:41:26 AM No.508423137
>>508422914
And while we're at it, yes, the concept of "rights" is modernist trash found nowhere in the Bible.
People have no rights, only privileges granted by God.
Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 6:43:18 AM No.508423282
>>508423073
It's all good, though the Dark Ages are best, and the era of monasticism prior to the friars is superior. Monks should be strictly otherworldly, living in communal monasteries or independently as hermits. The friars who wandered the newly growing cities of Europe are kind of an abomination, mixing worldliness with otherworldliness.
Once we get too far into the High Middle Ages, like the 1200s, Europe starts to become too urban and money oriented and trade oriented, like with the Hanseatic League.
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Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 6:43:18 AM No.508423283
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>>508422024
>>508422733
Look, you're just insane or insanely ignorant. You keep contradicting your own popes when you try to cozy up to Orthodox. You keep the flame alive, it's amazing. All Glory to God.
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Anonymous ID: X+TBZZlLArgentina
6/23/2025, 6:43:31 AM No.508423300
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I shit on the holy spirit tbqhwy
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 6:44:22 AM No.508423368
>>508423283
I am fine with either Catholicism or Orthodoxy or with a new American church that is modeled after either of those segments of Christendom.
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Anonymous ID: PVtM8T6eBrazil
6/23/2025, 6:47:30 AM No.508423569
>>508419361 (OP)

Struggle is the same as back then, you are responsible for your own soul, hate the world.
Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 6:47:46 AM No.508423586
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>>508423368
>you: I am fine with either Catholicism or Orthodoxy
>pope: is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff
Anonymous ID: Xp12p3VWSweden
6/23/2025, 6:51:05 AM No.508423816
>>508423282
You have no fucking clue what you are speaking about.
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Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 6:59:40 AM No.508424393
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>>508422024
>Your points are irrelevant.
They are highly relevant. You are just ass-blasted you can’t address them.
>The fact remains, a violent Christian revival that institutes a totalitarian Christian theocracy is what people crave and need.
In an ironic twist you aren’t actually advocating a RETVRN to the Middle Ages. What you are describing is something closer to what the Puritans made. You would find closer unity with Baptist Klan Members or the Worldwide Church of God. You clearly are just LARPing.

>>508420309
>>508423283
LARPodoxy and TradCaths are a blight upon Christendom

>>508422914
>>508422982
He says he wants to go back to kings and queens but he also says he wants a totalitarian theocracy. He’s a retard who doesn’t know what he wants.
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:02:55 AM No.508424560
America, and really the entire world, should be a Christian version of North Korea: absolute monarchy, all people's activities directed toward one purpose alone (exalting God), and pure control by the Church-State.
Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 7:03:36 AM No.508424601
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>>508424393
Orthodox are right about a lot imo. Just not Faith Alone
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:03:52 AM No.508424624
>>508423816
It will take time for this new idea to take shape and crystallize, sure.
But it is an idea that can sweep the world like a destroying juggernaut, ending everything in its path.
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Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:07:55 AM No.508424897
>>508424601
“Orthodox” isn’t a singular thing. There are countless different types of orthodox. Not just Oriental, Eastern and Church of the East but also “True” of all sorts, Old Believers and amongst them all you have widely differing views on things from at simple as baptism to as foundational as soteriology.
Do many of the “orthodox” preserve a lot of nice things, sure. But it’s more of an aesthetic category and vague branch such as “Protestantism” then a singular force.
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:08:27 AM No.508424925
>>508424393
The monarch should be absolutely holy and uphold strict Biblical law. Yes, a king is needed, but he must also be a theocrat.
North Korea, turned Christian, is a model we can emulate.
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Anonymous ID: YuJ/Ns7z
6/23/2025, 7:09:50 AM No.508425021
>>508419361 (OP)
irish catholics are monkeys that dont belong to glorious america
america will always be an anglo-saxon protestant nation!
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Anonymous ID: D+kpanVkUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:10:50 AM No.508425087
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>>508419361 (OP)
>Catholic and Orthodox

You tradlarpers make me laugh. The Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church both simultaneously claim to be the one true and only church Christ founded. Ergo, they are direct rivals and cannot in any capacity coexist. They exist as an if-than statement: if the Roman Catholic Church is the true church, than Orthodoxy is wrong and vice versa. Furthermore, both traditions claim that they alone offer the means of salvation and that anyone outside of their respective tradition is damned to hellfire.

Protestants are the only branch of Christianity even capable of having legitimate ecumenical dialogue because we are the only ones who believe that you don't necessarily have to belong to our particular tradition in order to be saved. We readily recognize that there are good and true Christians amongst the Romans and the Orthodox.
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:12:07 AM No.508425177
>>508425021
You should be forced to convert on pain of death by slow torture.
Protestants are atheists, lacking mysticism.
When the mystical idea is in your mind, and God is in your heart, a fanatical faith swells inside you that can kill everything that opposes it, even unto half the world.
You need to know what I am talking about.
Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:14:39 AM No.508425340
>>508425087
You claim that Orthodoxy and Catholicism are about aesthetics, which proves you are spiritually dead and have never felt the Holy Spirit inside you, urging you to do certain holy things.
You have no concept of otherworldliness and the liminal experience of a proper church, which should be dimly lit and filled with haunting music, so as to ready your mind and heart to receive things not of this earth.
It's not aesthetics, unless aesthetics is part of metaphysics.
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Anonymous ID: EcNdUDfJUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:15:53 AM No.508425425
>>508419361 (OP)
everyone of you retards is extra ecclesiam nulla salus until you mention eastern orthodoxy and catholicism literally pick one at this point
>>508425087
THIS wtf
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:16:56 AM No.508425484
>>508424925
>The monarch should be absolutely holy and uphold strict Biblical law.
You just described Christ.
All other men including Israelite monarchs have fallen short.
You can’t immanentize the eschaton, stop being delusional.
>North Korea, turned Christian, is a model we can emulate.
1) you are miss using the English language, North Korea isn’t Christian ergo you can’t “emulate” it.
And 2) you are admitting you lied when you said
>We need to go back -- to the medieval period. (>>508419361 (OP))
You actually just want a modernist totalitarian autocracy that adheres to biblical morality. As I said previously you are describing something closer to Cromwells Commonwealth, ironic considering your previous kvetching about “Protestantism”
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Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 7:18:23 AM No.508425581
>>508424897
Eastern Orthodoxy then.
Catholicism isn't officially Amillennial. Eastern Orthodoxy is.
Catholics don't believe Jesus was in Genesis 18 and 19. Eastern Orthodoxy does.
Catholics accepts a range of Atonement theories. Eastern Orthodoxy dogmatized the Harrowing of Hell.
Filioque.
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:21:49 AM No.508425806
>>508425484
I said a Christian version of North Korea. You are not arguing in good faith, but are a liar and deceiver, clearly influenced by the Devil.
We can use the methods of modern totalitarianism to implement the hardest form of Christian society ever to exist by a mile.
And there must be a strict church hierarchy underneath the all-powerful king who is God's representative on earth. So yes, much more like Orthodoxy or Catholicism than Protestantism, which leads to self-worship as people confuse themselves with the God they profess to worship. Commoners should know that their learned betters know the Christian faith better than they themselves do, and thus follow their leaders.
A Christianity with the fanaticism of Islam would be a good start, but the new theocracy must develop into something the world has never seen before.
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Anonymous ID: D+kpanVkUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:23:31 AM No.508425900
>>508425340
Literally nothing about my argument pertains to aesthetics whatsoever. The pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church has declared the Eastern Orthodox Church to be schismatic heathens. The Eastern Orthodox Church has declared the Roman Pontiff to be a usurper and heretic. There is no mutual coexistence. In fact, if anything, I would argue YOU are the one who is pushing an argument based on aesthetics. You see two traditions that have "based and trad" aesthetics and try to cram them together when they are theologically miles apart. You have boiled Christian orthodoxy (notice the lower case o there) down to purely aesthetics and think you can cram two wildly different theologies together simply because they have pretty churches.
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:24:09 AM No.508425936
>>508425806
We will slaughter billions in the name of God if they refuse to submit and convert themselves and their families. We will make every nation upon the model of the absolute Christian theocracy under clerical rule.
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:25:03 AM No.508425998
>>508425581
>Eastern Orthodoxy then.
Sorry maybe I wasn’t clear enough, that suffers from the same problem. That’s why I group it with the others.
Eastern “orthodoxy” isn’t a singular thing, you have mainliners who are split into 3 different groups, Moscow aligned, Constantinople aligned and fence sitters
Across all 3 of those you have bishops who will hold to completely incompatible views of soteriology and baptism.
>Catholics accepts a range of Atonement theories.
I think you mean to say models and that’s not really a problem. PSA is completely compatible with Christus Victor for example.
>Filioque
Literal storm in a teapot.

Please let me know if I explained it more clearly or if you need further clarification.
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:27:16 AM No.508426125
>>508425900
You are unintelligent. The important of traditional aesthetics in older forms of Christianity is in preparing humans to receive the Holy Spirit. That is why churches are dark, mysterious, filled with terrible sublime artwork featuring the crucifixion, etc. All this is not mere aesthetics; it is metaphysical. It alters the worshiper's state of mind and makes the human vessel receptive to the Spirit.
You Protestants have cut off this metaphysical/spiritual connection to the Divine and thus do not have any experience with the Holy Spirit.
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:27:27 AM No.508426136
>>508419361 (OP)
kill yourself you smelly Mexican. Lutheranism is based.
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Anonymous ID: 4YUO+FrLUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:28:30 AM No.508426200
>>508426136
Lutheranism is the first step the West took toward atheism.
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:29:26 AM No.508426263
>>508426200
sorry, Paco. could you say that again without munching on a taco?
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:29:27 AM No.508426264
>>508425806
>I said a Christian version of North Korea. You are not arguing in good faith
Actually what you said was
>North Korea, turned Christian, is a model we can emulate. (>>508424925)
And when critiquing you I even quoted you directly
>>North Korea, turned Christian, is a model we can emulate.
>1) you are miss using the English language, North Korea isn’t Christian ergo you can’t “emulate” it (>>508425484)
Therefore to call me a liar is to bear false witness. It’s clear you are arguing in bad faith.
Everything you say after that is either projection, delusion or baseless claims so I won’t waste time address them until you admit you lied about me lying. But ultimately What you do next is between you and God.
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:30:00 AM No.508426300
>>508426200
>works cited = 0
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:31:29 AM No.508426400
>>508426300
OP is a greasy shit stained Mexican. What the fuck would he know about anything?
Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 7:32:57 AM No.508426492
>>508425998
I already addressed soteriology and baptism when I said they were wrong on Faith Alone. As far as I know, the biggest differences between non-meme sects (Mari Mari) are strictly Christological.
>PSA is completely compatible with Christus Victor
Only if you change what Christus Victor means. One places the atonement on the Cross and the other places the atonement in the punishment.
>Filioque is meaningless
It is Pneumatology and Theology Proper
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Anonymous ID: D+kpanVkUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:33:15 AM No.508426515
>>508426125
You blaspheme the Holy Spirit. God is not limited to certain physical places for He is all powerful. You're a Judaizer, seeking out the Second Temple that was rendered obsolete by the sacrifice of Christ on the cross. Anathema on you.
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:33:57 AM No.508426568
>>508426492
show your flag you fucking Jew.
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Anonymous ID: Y/RoZnT2Germany
6/23/2025, 7:34:22 AM No.508426600
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>>508419696
You know quite well that Eric Andrews is a famous heretic, member and fat cat of a strange Catholic sect that was created in the 19th century in the US (Paulists, a VERY interesting story in itself btw), and highly controversial among clergy and laymen. If anything, he's proof that Catholics are not pro-LGBTQ with all the shit flinging he has to endure (And rightfully so).
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Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:34:43 AM No.508426626
>>508426125
>The important of traditional aesthetics in older forms of Christianity is in preparing humans to receive the Holy Spirit.
Zero biblical citation
>That is why churches are dark, mysterious, filled with terrible sublime artwork featuring the crucifixion, etc.
Ask me why I suspect this guy isn’t a Christian.
>All this is not mere aesthetics; it is metaphysical. It alters the worshiper's state of mind and makes the human vessel receptive to the Spirit.
Is anyone going to tell him about the original churches, or should I?
Anonymous ID: Lcw3hZ5rCanada
6/23/2025, 7:35:32 AM No.508426687
>>508419361 (OP)
>keep people happy by keeping them ignorant
kys
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:36:12 AM No.508426715
>>508426515
Orthodox larping is cringe, retarded, and gay. put a fucking bullet through your skull.
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Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 7:36:30 AM No.508426738
>>508426600
You are coping. One of the "best things about Catholicism" is their strict top-down system, and you can see Eric Andrew's church on the Archdiocese of New York's website. Right now.
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:37:23 AM No.508426801
>>508426738
show your flag, Jew.
Anonymous ID: ZRxTbulaUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:38:32 AM No.508426869
What in the 2009 is this post?
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:39:20 AM No.508426922
>>508426869
go back to Mexico.
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Anonymous ID: ZRxTbulaUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:40:08 AM No.508426978
>>508426922
Eat my ass, pendejo.
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Anonymous ID: EcNdUDfJUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:40:10 AM No.508426982
>>508426125
>You are unintelligent
You literally didn't understand his post at all.
Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:41:31 AM No.508427062
this poster is Indian:
>>508426687

this poster is Mexican:
>>508426978
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Anonymous ID: ZRxTbulaUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:42:25 AM No.508427117
>>508427062
And why am I mexican? Because you didn't understand my post?
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Anonymous ID: D+kpanVkUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:42:59 AM No.508427156
>>508426715
I'm not even larping as an Orthodox, I'm Lutheran. That's just the cold hard truth. This dumb nigger OP is trying to conflate aesthetic choices with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. He deserves to be anathematized and raped to death by gorillas even blacker than he is.
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Anonymous ID: 4i5ThRc4
6/23/2025, 7:43:35 AM No.508427197
>>508422024
Death to Jewtianity
Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:44:30 AM No.508427256
>>508427117
fuck the Catholic church.
Replies: >>508427462 >>508428379
Anonymous ID: F0vlwomzUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:44:53 AM No.508427288
>>508419361 (OP)
Daily reminder that the Book of Mormon is further testament of Jesus Christ and is the current (and correct) revelation of our latter days!

Repent!
Replies: >>508427416
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:45:18 AM No.508427315
>>508426492
>Only if you change what Christus Victor means. One places the atonement on the Cross and the other places the atonement in the punishment.
That’s only the case if you limit the capacity of the atonement to one effect, overcoming death or satisfying Gods justice. Most early Christians discussed both effects, ergo we don’t really have a basis to reduce it to one. In fact they blend together extremely well. After all if Death is the result of Sin then merely overcoming death would just be treating the symptom rather than the disease. But Christ did both.

>Filioque is meaningless
I actually said it’s a storm in a teapot please don’t misquote me especially when it changes the substance of what I was saying. It’s rude and uncharitable.
>It is Pneumatology and Theology Proper
Sneed has a ball and he passes the ball to feed. Feed then passes the ball to seed. You ask seed where the ball came from and seed says “from sneed and feed”, is seed lying?

>As far as I know, the biggest differences between non-meme sects (Mari Mari) are strictly Christological.
No the problems are less cross sect and more internal. You can have 5 priests who are ostensibly EO and ask them about salvation and you will get 6 mutually exclusive answers. So I’m not claiming that formally EOs doing exist, but in praxis the identity is rather hallow. Clearer now?
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:45:54 AM No.508427354
>>508427156
>I'm Lutheran

since last week? yeah, I'm sure you are.
Replies: >>508427405
Anonymous ID: ToxiF0yxUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:46:39 AM No.508427405
>>508427354
Do you agree with this sermon?
https://files.catbox.moe/5se7w3.mp3
Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:46:51 AM No.508427416
>>508427288
I will kill you and the rest of your nigger family.
Replies: >>508427488
Anonymous ID: ZRxTbulaUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:47:32 AM No.508427462
>>508427256
It's okay. Christ loves you even if you are a godless chink, shitposting in the middle of the afternoon.
Replies: >>508427911
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:47:54 AM No.508427488
>>508427416
>I will kill you and the rest of your nigger family.
Lmao, Christian btw
Replies: >>508427594
Anonymous ID: /PkUjn5xUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:48:21 AM No.508427514
>>508419361 (OP)
>Catholicism could restore faith and unity if only um...it weren't for Protestants!

>In a Statistical Abstract of the United States, based on a 2001 study of the self-described religious identification of the adult population, the percentages for these same groups are 28.6% (Evangelical), 24.5% (Catholics), and 13.9% (Mainline). Christian religious groups made up 76.5% of the total population, while the other religious groups account for 3.7%.[22] According the 2020 ARDA Database, there were approximately 60 million Christians independent from denominations.[23]

There's already tons of Catholics in America and they haven't been softbanned from power since the mid 20th century. If Catholics could fix America, why haven't they?

How many times do you people need to try doing things that already didn't work to be convinced you need something new?
Anonymous ID: EcNdUDfJUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:48:37 AM No.508427532
1747728253565157
1747728253565157
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Out of all you, there is only one person ITT who knows how to read. I need to get out of this shithole. The brownification is complete.
Replies: >>508427911
Anonymous ID: ToxiF0yxUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:49:40 AM No.508427594
>>508427488
That's a bot.

Speaking of which, do you agree with what this guy says here?
https://files.catbox.moe/5se7w3.mp3
Replies: >>508427697 >>508427911
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:51:04 AM No.508427697
>>508427594
Kek. Your post is legitimately one of the only good one in this thread
Replies: >>508427864
Anonymous ID: D+kpanVkUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:52:24 AM No.508427799
1748134592290651m
1748134592290651m
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>Let's just cram two wildly different traditions with over a thousand years of doctrinal disputes together because their churches look cool and kill anyone who disagrees

The absolute state of this retarded OP
Replies: >>508428492 >>508428523
Anonymous ID: ToxiF0yxUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:53:09 AM No.508427864
>>508427697
The ai future is bright.
Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:53:54 AM No.508427911
>>508427594
would a bot tell you to get your balls beaten into pulp by a cricket bat?

>>508427532
you could improve the situation by fucking off and dying.

>>508427462
you type like a faggot.
Replies: >>508428090 >>508428195
Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 7:54:20 AM No.508427935
>>508427315
>PSA and Christus Victor are basically the same thing
This is just ridiculous. You have guys like Steven Anderson promoting PSA saying Christ burned and suffered in the flames of hell for eternity as our substitution. Then you have the Christus Victor model which says His suffering on the Cross, while being completely sinless, defeated the devil at that moment. 2 different things.
>"Tempest in a teapot" is an idiom that describes a situation where a small or insignificant event
>insignificant
Sounds like a synonym for meaningless.
>5 EO priests will give 5 different answers about Salvation
That doesn't really prove anything, because I believe they're wrong on Soteriology, so it's impossible to have coherence. This is the 3rd time I'm saying that. They are not radically different on every other aspect of theology.
Replies: >>508429060
Anonymous ID: y/2swF4GUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:54:51 AM No.508427970
>>508419361 (OP)
No they were fucking miserable and got tortured for being technically wrong according to some pompous asshole who thought his interpretation of a poor translation was the best
Anonymous ID: fucc6uyM
6/23/2025, 7:55:13 AM No.508427991
>>508419361 (OP)
Fuck off Jew worshipper
Anonymous ID: ZRxTbulaUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:56:55 AM No.508428090
>>508427911
And you type like a 15 year old.
You still haven't contributed anything to this thread btw.
Replies: >>508428270
Anonymous ID: EcNdUDfJUnited States
6/23/2025, 7:58:39 AM No.508428195
>>508427911
You could improve your spiritual bankruptcy by learning how to read, then reading the new testament. Don't really think the God-man or the God mom would endorse your behavior.
Replies: >>508428277
Anonymous ID: Giypma58Russian Federation
6/23/2025, 7:58:55 AM No.508428213
>>508419361 (OP)
Dawg I just don't want to worship a jew
Anonymous ID: fucc6uyM
6/23/2025, 7:59:37 AM No.508428251
>>508426568
Kill yourself newfag
Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 7:59:58 AM No.508428270
>>508428090
this thread deserves to be pruned and deleted for promoting the garbage that is Catholicism and Orthodoxy but since I'm not a janny I will content myself with shitting up this thread instead.
Replies: >>508428360 >>508428372
Anonymous ID: Giypma58Russian Federation
6/23/2025, 8:00:03 AM No.508428277
>>508428195
Why would anyone need or want to read the jew testament? Some jewish fairytales that teach you how you should worship jews lmao.
Anonymous ID: xxtt/U9wAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:00:53 AM No.508428320
>>508419361 (OP)
We need to split America into the brown people churches who don’t get along
Replies: >>508428397
Anonymous ID: +o7oSapuUnited States
6/23/2025, 8:00:59 AM No.508428332
qsvznf60v70f1
qsvznf60v70f1
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>>508419361 (OP)
Sometimes you dumb niggers need to be reminded.
Replies: >>508428410
Anonymous ID: D+kpanVkUnited States
6/23/2025, 8:01:31 AM No.508428360
1745709670270721
1745709670270721
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>>508428270
Based
Anonymous ID: ZRxTbulaUnited States
6/23/2025, 8:01:46 AM No.508428372
>>508428270
>comes into an established thread to spew irrelevant nonsense because you think your opinion matters.
Yup you're a prot.
Replies: >>508428484
Anonymous ID: GE0vPzqH
6/23/2025, 8:01:52 AM No.508428379
Let-the-Children-Come-to-Me
Let-the-Children-Come-to-Me
md5: bbf076ce3fffd27fafc88fe957b412b9🔍
>>508427256
In Pedomerica, Catholic Church fucks YOU (but only if you're sweet shota)
Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:02:08 AM No.508428397
>>508428320
>brown people churches

you mean Catholic churches. Irish aren't white btw. They are functionally brown.
Anonymous ID: sSATNnEuUnited States
6/23/2025, 8:02:12 AM No.508428400
>>508419361 (OP)
We actually need to abandon all forms of Abrahamism.
Replies: >>508428442
Anonymous ID: Giypma58Russian Federation
6/23/2025, 8:02:23 AM No.508428410
>>508428332
Racism is not a christians thing. You will share "heaven" with millions if not billions of your brothers in fate negroes kek
Anonymous ID: Giypma58Russian Federation
6/23/2025, 8:02:54 AM No.508428442
>>508428400
the only sane person in this thread
Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:03:43 AM No.508428484
1750531817077414
1750531817077414
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>>508428372
>you're a prot.

guess what kind.
Replies: >>508428589
Anonymous ID: GE0vPzqH
6/23/2025, 8:03:49 AM No.508428492
>>508427799
What do you expect from a pedo defender?
Anonymous ID: ToxiF0yxUnited States
6/23/2025, 8:04:17 AM No.508428523
>>508427799
She's cute, got her phone #
Anonymous ID: bwGTHloWJapan
6/23/2025, 8:05:26 AM No.508428583
>>508419361 (OP)
every country should go back. merchant class can't rule society, we need meaning in life
Anonymous ID: F1QTBvzfGermany
6/23/2025, 8:05:26 AM No.508428584
chr_brown
chr_brown
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>>508419361 (OP)
>brown noises
Anonymous ID: ZRxTbulaUnited States
6/23/2025, 8:05:30 AM No.508428589
images
images
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>>508428484
Picrel is my guess
Replies: >>508428788
Anonymous ID: Giypma58Russian Federation
6/23/2025, 8:05:33 AM No.508428594
>>508423300
based
Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:08:44 AM No.508428788
>>508428589
>that pic

yeah, because secretly fucking altar boys and moving to another parish when you get found out is so much more based and trad.

just slit your wrists already.
Anonymous ID: 6bvH/Vp/Australia
6/23/2025, 8:10:01 AM No.508428869
>ooooohhh lets go back to the heckin middle ages and everything will be fine. Its not like social conditions have massively changed since then. Wowzers, what an innovative idea!

You're a sped.
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:13:06 AM No.508429060
Hilary of Poitiers on Psalms 54.6
Hilary of Poitiers on Psalms 54.6
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>>508427935
>This is just ridiculous. You have guys like Steven Anderson promoting PSA saying...
I am going to stop you there. Steven Anderson is not a serious person (let alone being the Pope of PSA) therefore citing him is not serious IMO.

>Then you have the Christus Victor model which says His suffering on the Cross, while being completely sinless,
Those elements are in all atonement models. >defeated the devil at that moment.
and how did he do that?
Christus victor teaches that Christ could not be contained by death (obviously) and therefore was able to overcome it and resurrect. So he has defeated the symptom, now what about sin, more importantly the penalty owing for sin.
“God gave himself in the person of his Son to suffer instead of us the death, punishment and curse due to fallen humanity as the penalty for our sin”. - Pierced for Our Transgressions by Steve Jeffery, Michael Ovey, and Andrew Sach

>Sounds like a synonym for meaningless.
We you are clearly reading it wrong, and I notice you chose to focus on insignificant rather than
>small
Also can you answer the question?
Sneed has a ball and he passes the ball to feed. Feed then passes the ball to seed. You ask seed where the ball came from and seed says “from sneed and feed”, is seed lying?

>That doesn't really prove anything, because I believe they're wrong on Soteriology, so it's impossible to have coherence.
Anon I am not attacking you. I was just sharing my experiance with EOs. At no point have I said "uh well you are wrong about soteriology". Be at peace, I am not looking for a gottcha.
>They are not radically different on every other aspect of theology.
No, not really. However since Soteriology is just a major one it has huge practical impacts that leaves any external unity hollow.
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Anonymous ID: Giypma58Russian Federation
6/23/2025, 8:14:24 AM No.508429143
>>508429060
>all this word salad

Bla bla bla bla bla. I still don't get why you guys like to worship jews so much
Replies: >>508429174 >>508430390
Anonymous ID: ToxiF0yxUnited States
6/23/2025, 8:14:53 AM No.508429174
>>508429143
Your country's anthem:
https://files.catbox.moe/5se7w3.mp3
Anonymous ID: Xp12p3VWSweden
6/23/2025, 8:26:49 AM No.508429847
>>508424624
I don't mean your idea to what to make.
It's your historical knowledge which is lacking.
This is most probably because you are a amerimutt, and have severed your tie to Europe (This is under the assumption that your are not a complete mulatto. Though this assumption of mine is lost probably wrong.)
Anonymous ID: Xp12p3VWSweden
6/23/2025, 8:29:17 AM No.508430015
>>508425340
>You have no concept of otherworldliness and the liminal experience of a proper church, which should be dimly lit and filled with haunting music, so as to ready your mind and heart to receive things not of this earth.

>Without these material things you will never understand otherworldly things.
thanks for the keks.
Anonymous ID: Xp12p3VWSweden
6/23/2025, 8:32:12 AM No.508430183
>>508426125
>Our god is the light and truth.
>Let's go have our prayers in dank and dark rooms / cellars.
Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 8:32:54 AM No.508430240
Orthodox Trinity
Orthodox Trinity
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>>508429060
>Hilary: "offering Himself voluntarily a victim to God the Father"
You see the ambiguity here, right? PSA (Calvin) sees this as the victim receiving wrath from the Father. But it does not necessarily read that way. If I gave myself as a voluntary victim to move someone out of the way of a bus, the "someone" is not who I am a victim of.
>sneed
Picrel
>At no point have I said "uh well you are wrong about soteriology".
I know, we probably both believe Faith Alone. But EO (and most Christians) will give an incoherent answer that doesn't fit the formula when you bring up "the man in the jungle who has never heard of Jesus"
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:35:17 AM No.508430390
85755758
85755758
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>>508429143
Christianity is supposed to be a religion for ordinary white farmers and builders in which Jesus is a role model. Nordic and Mediterranean paganism are not viable alternatives because they promote primitivism and fratricide. Also consider that the eastern Mediterranean was a lot whiter back then compared to now.

The other main Semitic religions (Judaism, Islam) are immoral and promote brown ideals that have been rejected by all white societies throughout history (polygamy, mutilation, social parasitism, etc.)
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:50:56 AM No.508431367
>You see the ambiguity here, right? PSA (Calvin) sees this as the victim receiving wrath from the Father.
Hilary does say:
- Christ became a voluntary victim.
- He offered Himself to God the Father.
- This offering removed the curse of the Law.
- The offering replaced the legal sacrifices, which God no longer accepted.
- This act was effective once for all, securing salvation.

>If I gave myself as a voluntary victim to move someone out of the way of a bus, the "someone" is not who I am a victim of.
While the “bus analogy” (dying for someone else without that person causing the harm) is valid, the context of Galatians 3:13, which Hilary quotes, involves a judicial curse from the Law, rooted in divine justice. That implies God's will is involved in the imposition of the curse. Not that He is sadistically punishing, but that the Law is His Law, and its curse has real consequences.
In the case of the bus analogy you would need Satan or "death" (which is not a person) to be filling the roll of the bus, but other church fathers clearly stand in opposition to any notion that Christs was sacrificed to the evil one (the bus).
If the bus is Satan or Death, but Christ offers Himself to the Father, it raises the question: Why is the sacrifice made to God if the danger came from Satan?
God is not the bus, because the source is not arbitrary violence. God is the judge whose Law was violated, and whose justice must be satisfied.
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Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:53:10 AM No.508431487
294173493_399041148990141_1539315314491450777_n
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>>508430240
>Picrel
can you please answer the question?
Sneed has a ball and he passes the ball to feed. Feed then passes the ball to seed. You ask seed where the ball came from and seed says “from sneed and feed”, is seed lying?
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Anonymous ID: 7LztEYruAustralia
6/23/2025, 8:53:49 AM No.508431530
>>508431367
>blah blah blah

99% of the time theologians should just shut up and get a job.
Replies: >>508431951
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 9:00:11 AM No.508431899
>>508430240
Sorry see (>>508431367)
Your bus analogy rely on the danger being random (bus), or demonic (Satan), when it is clear from the language of Hillary that it is judicial (divine curse + law).
Therefore, the victim language in Hilary implies God is the just and rightful recipient of a voluntary, holy offering, much how the Pass-Over lamb was sacrificed TO God at the WILL and DECREE of God. Thus since the lamb was never scarified to the evil one, and since Christ is our pass-over lamb in my opinion we ought to conclude that Christ bore the wrath of God as the penalty for our sins that we would be spared, just as the blood of the lamb spared the Jews in the prefiguration as God put his wrath against Egypt.
Replies: >>508432653
Anonymous ID: 20h1yrLNAustralia
6/23/2025, 9:00:58 AM No.508431951
>>508431530
>99% of the time theologians should just shut up and get a job.
Agreed, that's why I am not a theologian.
You should also touch grass nerd.
Anonymous ID: vx6IV0/h
6/23/2025, 9:14:19 AM No.508432653
>>508431487
The Father is the sole *cause* of the Holy Ghost. There is a difference. You can see it in the image.
>>508431899
The bus is a being with Free Will. The devil. Because it has Free Will, it is not just a puppet of God.