I've been sleeping like shit for 5 days now. It takes me 6 hours to fall asleep. 6 fucking hours. I've tried melatonin and it hasn't helped. Only alcohol has worked for me (a quarter/half liter of bourbon) but then I wake up with a terrible hangover. My doctor has prescribed pic related. Does anyone have any experience with it? I don't want to take meds, but I'm just desperate

Circadian rhythm and sleep hygiene.

>>508436674 (OP)
Identify why you have been sleeping badly. Did it just start up out of nowhere? Might be hormones. Men get hormonal fluctuations too, not as drastic as a woman's monthly hormonal fluctuations but still there.

>>508436674 (OP)
You feel guilty for something.

>>508436674 (OP)
It just lets you sleep when you try. If you try to stay awake you start hallucinating in a dream like state

>>508436674 (OP)
Try Ashwaganda KSM-66. I sleep like a baby and I have some awesome lucid dreams. Lowers stress hormone cortisol thus and increases testosterone. Some say it takes a week but it was immediate for me (high stress). Works better than any benzo. No shitty groggy feeling in the morning either, no dreading getting up for work. Just comfy.
Just try it man I think alot of people are missing out

>>508436988
Hygien overall

>>508436674 (OP)
>Does anyone have any experience with it?
Yes, however i wont hide my flag so take this as you will.
Zolpiden is just a type of benzo, they call it non-benzo as a marketing term. It affects the same neurotransmitters in the brain.
It will work great initially, you will see the decreasing effects already by the second night. Eventually with continued use (talking about weeks) you will get muscle tremors, thats just your brain being hyperactive and the opposite of relaxed. At that stage you will need these pills just to be awake but semi relaxed. Forget about sleep, you wont be able to not twitch and spasm.
Alcohol has a similar method of action, thats why drinking helps you sleep, alcohol actually does less damage because it affects less neurotransmitters

>>508437679

Right. Get used to that shit in no time. Also think the issue goes much worse than just blasted circadian in some cases. When you become incapable of taking a nap in the afternoon because violent spasms and jerks wake you up every time you are about to fall asleep there must be something that has burned through in your brain. Must be some PTSD then ... permanent low level alarm mode. Fuck.

>>508436674 (OP)
I didn't even feel sleepy on it. I tripped balls and ended up walking out into the middle of the road at 2am in the morning hearing my GFs snores from the street (They sounded like demonic growls). Can't remember what happened after thay, but I woke up in bed.

>>508437679
>Zolpiden is just a type of benzo, they call it non-benzo as a marketing term. It affects the same neurotransmitters in the brain.
not exactly, it binds to different receptors and it certainly feels different too
zolpidem is far, far more euphoric and has slight hallucinatory properties as well
it also is far more amnestic

zolpidem is really only gonna work if you need it for a few days, take it when in bed and ready to sleep, and even then it probably won't work for more than a week without you getting somewhat hooked on it

>because it affects less neurotransmitters
totally wrong, alcohol has a broader spectrum of effects, and alcohol tends to make you wake up when it wears off because of how it affects dopamine

>>508438134
It makes you eventually fall asleep if you take enough of it, you need to be somewhat committed to taking it in bed so you don't do crazy stuff on it
it's not so much about it making you sleepy as much as it making you feel good so sleep is less of a chore
I used to be really addicted to it, taking 7+ pills a day

>>508436674 (OP)
Just skip a night of sleep, by the next night you will fall asleep instantly.

>>508436674 (OP)
Exercise, eat healthier, drink more water, l-theanine, aswaghanda, valerian root tea

>>508436674 (OP)
Disregard Ashwaganda KSM-66. Disregard l-theanine, aswaghanda, valerian root tea. Start with the basics: proper earplugs (use lotion to make it feel comfy), proper mask (kinda expensive, the one that doesnt push on your eye sockets). The goal is to wake up everyday at the same hour - thats where your body makes a mark on circadian rhythm. Your bedroom needs to be quiet, completely dark. Use tape on your windows if you have to. Place needs to be cool, either get an AC or try to make due with ice packs under your sheets. As for the drugs, melatonin, apigenin, zolpidem is nice as well. Godspeed anon

Rate my stack:
Clomipramine
Lamotrigine
Quetiapine
Pregabalin
Lisdexamphetamine + Dexamphetamine
Clonidine
Propranolol
Viagra

Diagnosed with:
Borderline Personality Disorder,
Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder,
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder,
High-functioning Autism (Aspergers),
Generalised Anxiety Disorder,
Social Anxiety Disorder

>>508436988
I go to bed every day at the same time (23:00) and I don't use devices with screens in the previous 2 hours. I read one hour before going to sleep

>>508437284
I've never felt guilty about anything in my life. In fact, I think I'm incapable of feeling guilt

>>508437679
Doctor told me to take it for only a week and then go see him and see how it goes

>>508438849
I've already done that. There was one night I couldn't even sleep. The next night I couldn't fall asleep, even though I was exhausted

>>508439179
I refuse to exercise

>>508440544
Lmao buddy

>>508441459
>>508441497
I'm OP, for some reason my ID has changed

>>508436674 (OP)
What about you take a 4 hour hike instead you lazy fuck

>>508436674 (OP)
>it takes me 6 hours to fall asleep
Sounds satanic to me anon. Did you receive an item or gift of some sort in the recent past?
If you aren't into religion I recommend staying up until you are tired. If you can't sleep stay up instead, but then again if you're not NEET idk what the course of action would be. You can't keep this up if you have to goyslave or wagie. Pissed off any government agencies? Is your tap water the same? Oh check for carbon monoxide too.

>>508436674 (OP)
Maybe a multivatimin, iron perhaps, do you get enough sun?

>>508440544
Meds

>>508436988
Plus getting some sunlight, balanced diet, and not using your phone two hours before bed. You should be good.

>>508436674 (OP)
Just take a low dose of Mirtazapine.

>>508440544
>Lisdexamphetamine + Dexamphetamine
Highly doubt any psychiatrist specialist under the Psycho Stimulant Board would even dare giving you two types at the same time, they would lose their job.

>>508442694
Ehh, it's pretty common to have Vyvanse with a small dose of Dex in the evenings. It's the same chemical.

Everyone sleeps badly around summer solstice. If you’re still sleeping badly in the winter, then you have a problem.

>>508436674 (OP)
Haz deporte, levantate temprano, hay mil cosas antes que estar tomando tonterias.

>>508441497
>I refuse to exercise
There's your issue. Your body isn't actually tired so you're having a hard time falling asleep

running works good who else /slave mentality/

>>508442694
dumbass

>>508436674 (OP)
There's always a serious reason for not being able to sleep properly. Zolpidem is usually a last resort. You should seek out a neurologist asap.

>>508437679
>Zolpiden is just a type of benzo, they call it non-benzo as a marketing term. It affects the same neurotransmitters in the brain.
I still would class Z-drugs in their own distinct way as a type of GABAA agonist ligand. They certainly exert their effect differently from what I've read in my literature before

>>508438086
I get that after days of drinking or weeks from withdrawls after I drink all my money away.

>>508436674 (OP)
>Only alcohol has worked for me
you're addicted. happened to me too

>>508436674 (OP)
Fucks up your sleep plus you get hallucinations and euphoria at recreational dosages.

t. tried it more than 20 times

>>508436674 (OP)
When it takes you so long to fall asleep, do you sleep in the next day?

>>508441459
>I've never felt guilty about anything in my life. In fact, I think I'm incapable of feeling guilt
Hmh, have you been bitten by a jew lately?
Try gripping your claws into a roof beam and hanging upside down.
If that doesnt help drink some human blood.
Stay away from garlic!

>>508436674 (OP)
I had similar problem in summer last year.
I began listening to asmr to cope. Actually helps, though you need to figure out what works on you.

>>508436674 (OP)
stop drinking and try amanita muscaria tea. I doesn't taste good but after 30-60 minutes you will get very sleepy and sleep well without hangover. no need to take jewish chemicals

>>508436674 (OP)
what keeps you awake?

>>508436674 (OP)
Taking creatine can badly mess your sleep up. Any diet or eating habits it changes?

>>508436674 (OP)
You are most likely mismanaging your health. Are you smoking? Stop. Start exercising and use your bodies energy well during the day. Then you will fall asleep easier. These meds are such garbage even a single use does a number on your system. Only time i take them is on a long haul flight.

>>508436674 (OP)
>I don't want to take meds
You're already self medicating with alcohol, you're drinking a large amount of a toxic substance which acts as a CNS depressant and GABA disruptor in order to fall asleep.

Hypnotic medications like this also disrupt GABA activity but are far less toxic and better targetted. I'm surprised you were prescribed this rather than Zopiclone as its a more common first line short term sleep aid in my cunt.

Basically you'll have an easier time sleeping if you take it, it'll be way more effective than alcohol and way less stressful on your body and liver. Try to use it to reestablish your circadian rhythm in the short term. In the longer term try to address the cause of your sleep issues - are they anxiety related? Would you be open to considering anxiety treatment? Food for thought, but just being able to sleep normally will put you in a better state of mind overall.

>>508436674 (OP)
zolpidem and red wine was a fun combo back in the day
just make sure you lock your doors and hide passwords to any social media that you want to still be intact come morning

>>508436674 (OP)
Never drink alcohol for sleep. Even if you fall asleep you won't get rest. Cut out caffeine. Go for a run at sunset. Don't do anything in your bed but sleep. That's it. You can't fix your sleep by taking a pill to cover for bad habits.

>>508445806
>Go for a run at sunset.

It does work but you need to go to bed and turn off the lights. The first time I took it I was on the sofa doom scrolling. All of a sudden, things got blurry. I couldn't read my phone, and I have a full blown conversation with this plushie I had in the corner of the room. Fortunately I didn't do anything retarded like leave the house, but I have heard of people doing some crazy shit on it. I wouldn't recommend it.

Whatever you do, don't take it on a fucking plane.

>>508445863
I do it every day, stupid. Fitter than you, guaranteed.

>>508436674 (OP)
I have zolpidem I used it to try to get through last year of school to ensure i could fall asleep in time or fix my schedule if it got pushed too far forward.
Do not use them on consecutive days, dont get addicted, dont go crazy on dosages.
When you take one lay down and close your eyes.
One time I resisted the urge to sleep and ended up throwing up and feeling high.

>>508445934
imagine that fat frog, running in the sunset
thats what it would look like to any unfortunate observer

>>508436674 (OP)
Don’t take more than 20mg and 2 days in a row and you will be fine.

>>508446062
The point is to expend energy, pump your body with natural feel good chemicals before bed, and let your body feel the light change from day to night.

You live your life under artificial light immobile and stressed out your sleep will suffer. I have no sleep problems. I'm asleep at 11 and up at 6, ya jealous fatty.

>>508444279

Eh, thinking it through the nap disturbance even persisted during sober phases. Deep fried circuit.

>>508436674 (OP)
zolpidem works fine. if you don't trust the pharma jew just run until you're so exhausted that'll you'll fall asleep.

Try QUETIAPINE, also known as seroquel, works well.

>>508436674 (OP)
>takes drugs
what a moron

>>508441497
Refusing to exercise is for fat women and faggots. Do 30 pushups right now.

yeah quetiapine see bald black women in your dreams with teeth like that ball from super mario 64 no thank you

Valerian root, chamomile tea if thirsty, and moderate the melatonin.
The thing with melatonin is, sometimes 2mg will work and going to 4mg will make it not work anymore. I personally take a mere 0.5mg when necessary.
If you're taking the 10mg pills you're fucking yourself over.
If you have difficulties staying asleep take GABA (supplement from any grocery store, not benzos or whatever).

Lastly, develop good sleep hygiene and consider ASMR.
Godsleep.

>>508447494
LMAO. Big pharma not even once.

>>508440544
you might as well be an american woman

>>508440544
And this type of genetic dead who can't make eye contact with a cashier (if he manages to get outside at all) end goes on the internet to tell you how countries should be run and who is/isn't white.

>>508447154
This
Gonna need a prescription tho

>>508437500
>Works better than any benzo.
Lol this is not true. I hate REM sleep and its propensity of the sleeper to dream vividly. BZD always and ever. I want to not have anything cloud my mind whilst I am out. I have such fucked up dreams. Z-Drugs just make me wake up when I dream. They are alpha1 GABAA modulators only and they barely do shit for anxiety and muscle relaxation. Are BZDs more dangerous and unhealthy? Totally, but if you don't abuse them and take 1 or 2mg only per week they are amazing. They only got a bad rep because of addicts who cannot play this game for years and get hooked as they take more and more.

Since my shrink put me on them I lost a lot of mental burden and happy even when not on them. Taking the ritalin (methylphenidate) as well due to ADHD, best anti-depressants are stims. Obviously abused as well, fuck adderral, that's just amphetamine. Legal "drugs" are the best drugs. Z-hypnotics however gave me hallucinations and made me suicidal. Avoid them like cancer.

Cold turnkey'd my Z-hypnotics (since they are not like BZDs you will not seize out on them and die if you cut them out of your life, only benefit is you can quit day one if you abuse Z-hypnotics).

Always take as prescribed and even then a little less, you'll never get hooked. For every day without sleep, there will be a good day once or twice a week where you can enjoy them in moderation. Stay un-seizured and don't get hooked on the based (((pharmabro)))!

>>508436674 (OP)
>pls papa redpill me on a sleeping pill
It makes you fall asleep. You fucking braindead retarded animal

>>508437679
>Zolpiden is just a type of benzo, they call it non-benzo as a marketing term. It affects the same neurotransmitters in the brain.

So many lies. It doesn't even have the name giving heterocycle. This person is a liar and crook.
BZD >> z-drugs

>>508449179
addendum what each subunit does for you

use the sleep timer built into youtube set to an hour and put on something just interesting enough to distract part of your mind but just unimportant enough to you personally that you dont mind falling asleep to it. it can be counter productive to lay there trying to fall asleep for several hours. also sometime you are asleep but think youre awake and remember being awake but you werent

Do the little tubes that fly past your vision sometimes on sleeping pills have a name? They're not floaters.

>>508436674 (OP)

Try losing weight, fatty. Also get off /pol/.

>>508449711
you are in a "1 post by this ID" thread
OP already OD'd on alcohol, as from his post his liver is already giving up

>>508436674 (OP)
if you have sleep apnea this shit wont help you at all

>>508445934
same
>wake up at 4 AM
>go for a jog
>shower
>do some work ( i earn 400k a year)
>go gym to hit the weights
>shower
>do some more work
>business phone calls
>make even more money
>dinner
>sleep
i also do ice baths for my face of course

>>508436674 (OP)
Tryptophan supplements. Its a precursor for Serotonin and Melatonin and knocks me out every time without feeling groggy the next morning

>>508436674 (OP)
I feel for you anon, 2 months ago I had terrible insomnia much like yours. What got me to sleep at times was sleep meditation that you can find on youtube. At other times I needed to nut, legit had to wank until I was sapped. What fixed it was getting a job and taking 1mg melatonin every night two hours before bed.

try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6Ay9v7gK9w

>>508441497
>I refuse to exercise
oh yeah, you need to exercise that is non negotiable

>>508436674 (OP)
try making some chamomile tea instead of all those chemical coctails, listen to calm music at low volume and try to rest naturally in a dark room. (or put on research videos with educational content like chemistry and biology and you will brainwash yourself into learning knowledge while sleeping)

>>508451442
Also, no nicotine/vapes/cigs 3 hours before bed. That was what caused my insomnia in the first place.

>>508436674 (OP)
Also what do you think about when you sleep?
I have a fantasy of me slaughtering fictional enemies like guts and travelling around fantasy realm and going into taverns and aura farming, legit.