Geopolitically speaking, why are American nationalists so upset about bombing Iran right now? Is it because we're strengthening Israel too much?

>>508471683 (OP)
It is because it is against US national interests, duh.

>>508471683 (OP)

you retarded kikes only think 10 minutes ahead - no further

>>508471874
im not jewish anon, im even against the iran bombing
im just confused why a nationalist movement wouldnt want to weaken enemies

>>508471683 (OP)
Donald J Bush

>>508471683 (OP)
Because youre fucktarded and short sighted youre also a dumb mutt

>>508471683 (OP)
If you didn't learn from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, you're not going to learn from an internet forum.

>>508472331
Did any of these really weaken America? I felt like it further secured American hegemony - outside of us staying in Vietnam too long

>>508472442
obviously not a veteran

>>508472543
anon im not a veteran, not a war guy, am a big ron paul fan
my confusion is just that wouldnt American nationalists want to maximize our global power? dont nationalist tend to want these types of wars?

>>508471996
Because the more a nation uses its power, the less powerful it becomes. Iran isn't a threat to the US, not militarily and not economically. America's interests are to the east, but your jew government keeps going in to the middle east for Israel. Long therm, this is very very bad for America, but most Americans are too stupid to realize this.

>>508471683 (OP)
>Is it because we're strengthening Israel too much?
yes. Pissrael becoming powerful is not in anyway in America's interests. It actually makes America's presence in the middle east redundant and also makes the military look like a fucking bitch

>>508471996
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Israel is the prime threat to the sovereignty United States. Any that oppose israel is therefore in our interests; any that help it is against our interests. Simple as

In what way have the sandbox wars benefitted America? Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Iran. Go ahead. Tell me how the average American benefits dying for Israel.

>>508471683 (OP)
Because nationalism and kike globalism oppose each other you stupid inbred heeb

>>508471996
>im not jewish
Sure you aren’t fucking kike rat

>>508471683 (OP)
American nationalist here.

Its because America has only 30 years of military dominance left and we need to use this power against china and Russia not bumfuck Iran.

I would be pro war with iran if for every bomb we sent to iran we sent 2 bombs to russia and 4 to china

>>508472442
When we invaded Afghanistan in 2001, the Taliban was running the country.

It's now 2025 and the Taliban is still running the country with far superior weaponry, and we are about $1trillion poorer, and now if a genuine threat materializes nobody will volunteer to fight it because of how severely disillusioned we have become with our military.

>>508472651
>>508472767
That makes sense, I guess my follow up then is - if Israel controls the middle east, is it not easier for us to fight China or Russia in next century?

>>508472828
My understanding and I again, am fucking retarded and just asking questions here, is if we position Israel to have this huge foothold in the middle east - it's better for us to fight the other nations in the next 100 years or so

>>508472892
this is something that never makes full sense to me, i get its America first but wouldnt they want to make sure other nations arent getting too strong?
>>508472949
anon idk what to tell you but just being real with you
if i was jewish id say it but im not and just asking genuine questions because i dont understand motives of some ideologies

>>508473074
>with far superior weaponry
It’s actually wild to see them parading in our gear, all we did was make them stronger lmao

https://youtu.be/rpYnUyUr8Ak?si=vW9-nZiww259KeOS

>>508472635
global power does not improve life at home
how does hegemony improve my life?
through the wars, my wages have been relatively stagnant and my money has been devalued
the wars have brought floods of immigrants when our policies failed
freedoms have been reduced because of the "increased threats"
it's just bad policy

>>508473151
Why do we give a shit about the middle east? We don't need israel as a foothold, we have Saudi Arabia. And even then, a foothold for what? Why do we need to war in the middle east except for israel?

The director of national intelligence, testified (told Trump and basically everyone in the government) that Iran had no nukes. Trump told him that he was wrong. Israel claimed they did have nukes so it must be true even with no evidence.

Basically Trump is Israels bitch.

>>508472828
It doesn't but that's what kikes want America to do. THEY as in kikes like satanyahu want Americans in iran, they want America weak and defeated, why? Because weaker America=>stronger israel. Trust me this is how kikes think especially now. They are high on their jewy farts and believe they can jew America to get what they want and that's to become a great power in the middle east, replacing America

>>508473151
>i get its America first but wouldnt they want to make sure other nations arent getting too strong?
Why would you think that’s a tenant of nationalism? Are you fucking stupid? Nationalism isn’t globalism where the goal is to dominate the world. Nationalism is taking care of your nation and people and not caring what the rest of the world is doing. If you’re not a kike you sure have a kike brain mixed with a nigger IQ.

>>508473151
>>508473354
This. There was a time when the US was dependent on middle east oil, but it's not anymore. At this point, the US is in the middle east for ideological reasons, not economic.

>>508473277
The one saving grace is their average IQ is 65 so most likely they won't use our equipment correctly.

Reminds me of that Rhodesian war story about Africans setting their optics to full magnification because they thought it made the bullets "shoot harder."

>>508473344
preach brother
i agree

>>508473354
im assuming the powers that be care about it because they're worried about coming wars with larger powers

>>508473598
because I'm getting confused how nationalisim doesn't just lead to some form of globalism
The holy roman empire wanted to conqueror everything and if a nation does - isn't it just essentially globalisim without multiculturalisim?

>Nationalists put their country first
>This will result in their country needing to compete for resources
>If there country is dominant, other countries will bend the knee globally

So in that sense, if America is able to topple foreign regimes and spread their ideologies to them - is that not in a Nationalist's interest?

>>508473881
you're believing the WWII propaganda that nationalism=wants to conquer the world.
That's never been true
Nationalism has always been about taking care of your own people.

>>508473881
The powers that be are globalists who suppress nationalism at every conceivable opportunity. We would we support them or their globalist wars?

>>508474255
So if China or Russia started taking over the middle East OR lets say if Israel starting growing rapidly in the next 100 years - an American Nationalist is entirely fine with this?

>>508473881
>So in that sense, if America is able to topple foreign regimes and spread their ideologies to them
Anon thats globalism. The ideology theyre spreading is globalism. Theyre destroying nationalism across the globe at our expense.

>>508474509
Literally not my problem. We live on an island fortress flush with resources. We dont need them and they dont need us.

>>508471683 (OP)
Because it's going to escalate into a big mess with no real benefit.

>>508474622
Okay so your point would be, we're not even spreading nationalist ideas - it's all just globalist structures even if we win

That point make sense. idk enough about either to contest it. My hunch however is we do that to save face but still operate as a nationalist hegemony

>>508474695
This I believe is an isolationist take

>>508474509
You would need to make a case why this would threaten or harm the American homeland.

>>508471683 (OP)
American Nationalists is a meme, We're run by a Zionist death cult.

>>508471683 (OP)
Not our problem. Fuck pissrael

>>508475022
If we had a nationalist government and there was a reason that directly involved us then sure, maybe we would need to spread our ideology via regime change. But we dont. We have a globalist government whose signature move is regime change to spread globalism at the expense of nationalism, so we are obliged to oppose this.

>isolationism
Compared to being the world police it may seem that way, but its not. Im not saying to cut ties with all nations, restrict trade, or that there arent legitimate reasons to have military assets overseas. But cucking to israel simply because theyre jews isnt one of them.

>>508475521
This sounds right to me and makes sense
Anon when you say we spread Globalisim and not nationalisim - is it just because once we're there, we're not spreading American ideas and we're too multicultural?

>>508475022
>>508474509
Consider an alternative scenario:
China starts invading a bunch of Middle East nations and expanding their borders, so we intervene and fight on behalf of these small nations.
>What are we risking? Soldiers, goodwill, treasure, inviting additional causus belli, more entanglement in international affairs.
>What do we gain by winning? Absolutely nothing. If these ME nations were worth allying with they wouldn't need our help.
>What happens if we lose? Capitulation to a foreign power, possible loss of sovereignty, humiliation on world stage, inviting further aggression
The better option: make guns and sell them to both the Chinese and the ME countries they are invading.

>>508475743
If we invade a country like Iraq and "Americanize" it by turning it into a little clone of an American state, that is not nationalist. It is imperialist.

>>508471683 (OP)
An American nationalist cares about the wellbeing of Americans right?
And the border has been completely swung wide open for a quarter century now right?
So all of our classic post-ww2 enemies had plenty of opportunity to get whatever warriors they'd like into our country undetected right?
So we just pissed off Iran to protect Israel a country we have no formal alliance with.
And consequently Iran is liable to retaliate.
And you remember that border thing? Yep. You stupid fucking retard.

>>508471683 (OP)
Geopolitically speakin we're using our resources to defend a nation that has repeatedly attacked ud.

>>508472635
>my confusion is just that wouldnt American nationalists want to maximize our global power?
you don't have any power, it's all in the hands of jews.

>>508475743
Since WW2 they've turned America from a unique culture and people to the vessel of globalism. That is our current 'national culture'- open borders, free trade, multiculturalism, corporatism, sterile art, consumerism, etc. That's what they call our 'national culture'. In reality its an abomination created by globalists to spread globalism. So when they say that a country is getting 'Americanized' what they really mean is that country is getting systemically dismantled into a corporate vassal state, where the only function of a border is as an economic zone.

>>508471683 (OP)
>nationalists

They are communists pretending to be right wingers e.g. Fuentes

The true white nationalist standing here is to hate both sides

>>508476789
One side is hostile to us, controls our government, and undermines whites at every chance they get. The other side is fighting those people. They are not equal.

American nationalists don't compare with the European version because ours come in multiple camps.
>pseudo isolationists
America is the greatest country on Earth. We got this way via American exceptionalism and being separated from the affairs of the rest of the world. Going back to this will return us to greatness. They're going to be fine with international relations for trade, but the rest is your problem.
>New World, Nato, and Certain Allies sphere of influence/Empire
America is the greatest country on earth and has already established the greatest empire on earth. The new world is ours by default, nato members and our allies are glorified protectorates like Egypt or the Indian raj's princely states in the British Empire. They submitted to our hegemony protecting them is part of the deal. If Russia wants to do shit in its piss hole playground, ukraine, not my problem. This is basically an expanded version of the isolationist.
>expansionist Imperialist (neo con)
America is the greatest civilization in the history of Earth and has a divine right to enforce its will over the entire globe. Our victories over National Socialism and Bolshevism prove our divine mandate. All who oppose must face divine wrath and must be made to submit. Russia and China are inherent enemies.

European nationalists historically were only the expansionist imperialist type in competition with the other European powers.
The sad truth is kikes will undermine and use all three groups to benefit themselves

>>508471683 (OP)
They don't understand that we have transformed from a nation into a White Christian Empire, and the true, American Pope has started the 10th and Final Crusade to retake the Holy Land.

>>508477544
This. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I hate shitskins but my hatred of kikes far surpasses that

Because we have spent the last 30 years fighting in wars that did nothing to help the American people.
We spent trillions, lost thousands of troops and created more enemies.
The military industrial complex has got to be stopped and we are tired of this bullshit.
The only justified use of our military is on our border against the cartels.

>>508479329
And then? What is your miga big plans after that?

>>508471996
We don't consider people enemies just because the govt tells us they are.
Russia and Iran aren't the ones destroying our cities. They arent pumping fent across the border. They are wasting our taxes on dumb shit. They didn't create BLM, the LGBT movement, or any other anti white male shit.

>>508472635
Foreign wars don't help us. Nationalists want the focus to be on improving our nation. For making our peoples lives better. We want a secure border, law and order in our cities, and for an environment where we can improve ourselves financially.
War with Iran, Russia, China or anyone else doesn't make those things happen.

>>508480366
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>>508473074
>When we invaded Afghanistan in 2001, the Taliban was running the country.
Regime change and getting rid of the Taliban was not why we invaded Afghanistan, you stupid Zoomer.
The military objectives for OEF were to capture/kill those responsible for the 9/11 attacks, destroy/disable Al-Qaeda and their training camps in Afghanistan, and prevent Afghanistan from being used as a safe haven by terror groups.
The Taliban were only fought because they refused our demand for them to turn over Osama Bin Laden and other AQ leadership. In 2001 we didn't have any beef with the Taliban itself, and would have let them be if they worked with us to dismantle AQ and capture OBL. But they refused because they had some kind of obligation to protect AQ since they were considered their guests according to their Pashtunwali code of honor.
Over time, the neocon and neolib interventionist shifted toward trying to achieve regime change and liberalization and democratization of all of SW Asia, but that wasn't the reason we initially invaded in 2001. All of the initial objectives were achieved within a relatively short amount of time, and from 2011-2021 we were basically just babysitting the Afghans because they are retarded.
Literally everyone who knew anything about Afghanistan knew that the Taliban were going to retake power after we left, the withdrawal turned into a clusterfuck because Biden was rushing it to try to get all of the troops out in time for him to make a big speech on the 20th anniversary of 9/11 where he declared victory and took credit for winning and ending America's longest war.

>>508471996
Explain why Iran is an enemy without mentioning israel

>>508473344
>global power does not improve life at home
Anyone reading this has a better, safer, more comfortable life than the vast majority of people who have ever lived, and the vast majority of people alive on Earth today.
You are almost certainly one of the top 1% richest people on Earth, or very close to it. If you feel poor or like you have a bad life, it is only because you are comparing yourself to the people around you who are also part of the top 1% rich global elites, mostly because they were lucky enough to be born in America or an allied western 1st world country.
The primary reason for that is the global power and hegemony of the United States.

>>508481687
So you had deep intrinsic flaws with your command structure that have been well known since Vietnam but are unable to fix? And this flaw led to you losing the war? How is that supposed to be a positive thing

>>508482836
We live on an island fortress founded by civilized angles, thats why we have a successful society. Not your endless proxy wars you stupid zogbot.