*destroys your skeleton*

>>508502328 (OP)
That's been debunked. Just buy a better one.

>>508502456
post skeleton then you fucking double nigger dipshit cocksucking retard monkey kike

>>508502328 (OP)
Just buy a a good mattress lol

>>508502328 (OP)
what are u suppose to sleep on than u faggot

>>508502534
My skeleton's kinda inside me right now.

What's the alternative?

>>508502534
Kek, calm down boomer. Do some exercise, you need some in your old age.

I dont get it. Is this a sex joke

>>508502639
>>508502669
This you nigger give me some alternatives my body is aching

Bed

>>508502328 (OP)
I love my $170 Purple pillow. So comfy. Too bad I can't afford the Purple mattress.

Drink enough of these bad bois and you can sleep anywhere

>>508502534

>>508502456
>Single bed
>Debunked

The real horror is the knowledge that skeletons are indestructible and they can be anywhere

>>508502328 (OP)

ITT: Bots replying to bots

>>508502534
>I dont believe you

>>508502328 (OP)
Kek, I missed these schizo threads

>>508502534
jerkin ur bone to my xrays, yeah right skelefag

>>508502936
I have them in my closet and I make them dance from time to time. Just like the glowniggers on this site.

futon on the floor tyvm.

>>508502456
>>508502577
>>508502639
>>508502669
I literally sleep in a door. A wooden door. I put a thick blanket on it for a little padding. Thats all.

After 40 years of fucking around with big puffy marshmellow mattresses that had me sleeping like a bananna and fucking my spine up, i experimented with what actually gave me a good night's rest, and turns out a fucking plank of wood and a blanket is the best.

But go on spend 10k on some fluffy torture device that you have gone noseblind to the pain from.

>>508502534

>>508502809
Damn dude this pillow is giving me a boner I don’t even care if you’re a shill

>>508502328 (OP)
fatass americans wear down their mattress and too cheap to buy another and then complain about back problems when it clearly has sunken in the middle

it's not your bed that is destroying your skeleton. Maybe if you have a shitty mattress, you should have a firm one with a latex topper, but what's actually crushing your body is that your muscles are weak and unable to support your body while you are sleeping.
picrel will fix your shit in a month if you start doing 3x10 sets every day.
You can get a roman chair for less than $100 on Amazon. If you are too weak to do this you can start with planks on your knees -> planks from your toes -> roman chair.

>>508503098
On* a door.

How's a Good Nights Sleep™, political?

>>508502974
False

Is Caffeini good for me?

>>508502328 (OP)
*fixes it*

>>508502328 (OP)
You thought you owned your own bones
I guess you read the wrong tomes
I'll giver your bones a good home
and long may they roam

>>508502328 (OP)
>not stretchmaxxing
Ngmi

>>508503099
Based

>>508502657
Keep living in denial

>>508503098
Nah, I hate soft mattresses. I prefer hard ones, but I don't think I could sleep on a literal door, that's still a bit too hard for my taste

Been thinking about getting a tatami bed with a medium or hard futon though, those seem kinda nice and I dig the fact that you're closer to the ground compared to western style beds. Anyone got some experience with those?

>>508502809
I have 4 MyPillows. Is that one better?

This is what I sleep on, never been happier or healthier. Tried lots of other kinds of beds, never going back to a cuck brick.

>>508503168
isn't this a hamstring exercise?

>>508502328 (OP)
Take the Japanese futon mattress pill

>>508503652
>I don't think I could sleep on a literal door, that's still a bit too hard for my taste

Dont knock it till you try it. Youll feel like a new man after the first week sleeping on it. Youll feel steady on your feet, better balance, overall more "put together".

Those mattresses have your body in a fucked up form of battle all night. Youre fighting for balance and sturdy foundation. Its like being in a fucked up freefall. Your skeleton needs to be put on a fucking hard piece of ground and stay put. Think of it like a complicated piece of machinery, would you want it tossed around a hammock all night?

>>508503847
Lower back, mostly, but they're all connected.

>>508503098
This is probably true. I used to work as a picker and after a rough night I would sleep on the floor. It helps.

>>508503098
How is this effectively any different from sleeping on the floor (which I endorse)

>>508503515
You made me chuckle. +1 interwebz for you.

>>508503098
>>508504026
No pillow?

>>508503823
Not bad.

>>508503823
Double tatami and futon?

>>508504153
Depends on the type of floor really. But i do like to raise up the door on a stand. So its not directly on the floor

>>508502657
So is dis dick

>>508504153
Planks aren't cold as shit like naked stone/concrete/ground

>>508504192
When I slept on the floor I would use a folded up towel as my pillow. It kept my head even with my chest.

>>508502328 (OP)
Why would anyone have a bed like that? All I have is a wooden frame and a mattress.

>>508504192
My advice is get a stack of terry wash clothes, lay on them and subtract one at a time until it feels right. Im a side sleeper and use about 6 cotton washcloths to prop my head up a bit. A fluffy pillow will fuck your shit up same as a mattress. But compact terry washcloths dont give much and remain firm and hold their shape. Like a little cotton brick a few inches tall. Dont want too much height.

>>508504213
Two tatami for a queen sized shikibuton (thinner than a futon)

>>508502860
>>508503002
>>508503099
You can't post that on /pol/, it's too spooky!!

Japs have the right idea. Sleep on something like this >>508503823 on the floor. I've been doing that for years now and it's great. Even when I'm in hotels I prefer sleeping on the floor now.

I actually tried many times, but found it IMPOSSIBLE to fall asleep lying flat on my back. And at the same time, never found a comfortable mattress, because they either feel too firm or too soft. The one I have currently was almost comfortable when I got it, just a little too firm, but now after 5 years it's gotten way too soft where my shoulders dig in. Memory foam gets too hot, latex doesn't absorb pressure enough, no idea what to do now.

>>508504471
Didn't feel it.

>>508504564
>>508504711
Lol. Same answer to the same question. How'd you figure it out? I figured it out because my back would start to hurt throwing boxes around all night and I'd lay on the concrete at work and crack my back. I realized that it worked for sleeping too.

>>508502657
Just take it out i do it everynight before sleep, so comfy to sleep in my meat sleeve without skeleton

>>508502328 (OP)
You sound like a faggot. I did time in federal prison. Years of sleeping on a 3 inch piece of foam on a hard surface.

>>508503098
I’ve seen Asians do this. My boss slept on a door for like 15 years. Motherfuckers can sleep on a rock.

>>508505056
The problem is mattresses are fucked up torture chambers of springs. Your skeleton is a machine that needs to be set down in a secure place while you sleep. The mattress is a bouncy trampoline meant for a fun house, i trust it for ridiculus games of jumping and horseplay, nothing more.

>>508502790
>>508502639
>>508502669
A hammock.

More specifically, an 11’ or 12’ gathered end (aka “Brazilian style”) hammock made from a solid fabric. Not a typical spreader bar hammock you find in a suburban backyard, and not one made of a rope net.

I learned about them from backpacking as an alternative to a tent. There are some advantages and disadvantages in that context. There are some really nice ones with built in bug nets and pockets for gear you might need at night and shelves to store things and all kinds of cool little extras. There are also cheap ones on Amazon that are basically just a rectangle of nylon for $30.

For sleeping, you want it to sag quite a bit. 30° is a good starting point, and where I leave mine. If the ends are suspended apart from one another by 83% of the hammocks stretched length, that’s pretty damn close to 30°. It also helps to hand the foot end slightly higher, other wise you’ll slide down toward the center.

>but I don’t sleep on my back
In a large hammock, hung with a deep sag, you can lie diagonally (not with your head at one tied end and feet at the other) and sleep on your side. It’s hard to explain

Pic is one of my camping setups.

some retard will literally try sleeping tonight on the ground for 20 minutes and go back to his mattress after cursing you all xdd

>>508505171
>How'd you figure it out?

Much pain. Many years. Fucking around fighting my bed and pillows.

>>508505056
Fat ass detected, fatties cannot sleep on their back

>>508505314
I did time too. You didn't take other mats, cut the side open, take the padding out and add it to your own? I had 4 pads in mine.

>>508502534
me on the left

>>508505512
A mattress BECOMES a hammock as the springs wear out in the middle. That is the majority of what fucking destroys your skeleton.

A hammock will destroy your spine. Your spine needs a sturdy flat level surface, especially if you dont sleep on your back.

If you are confused by these retards, here's some actual help:
If you are light (small or slim) you should get a soft matress
If you are heavy (fat or very muscular) get a firm matress

that is literally all there is to it, don't get sucked in into their retarded "your metal water bottle is actually killing you" obsessive mentality

>>508505512
Based I've been wanting on of those myself for a lightweight camping setup.. are the cheap ones from china okay for casual use?

>>508505855
And you still have bigger arms then that jewess.

Never liked box springs. Get you one of these, way better.

>only three more months until spooktober

>>508503098
Pol value-signalling bullshit is getting way out of hand

>bros what are you doing sleeping on something comfortable? You know that in nature you’d only be sleeping on bare rock exposed to the elements right? Me and my 14 year old wife and 6 kids all sleep out in the woods on bare stones that we carved with our bare fucking hands while completely evading all taxes blah de blah blah fucking blah

Oh well done you. Cunt.

>>508505056
Usually women have that kind of problem. I can sleep almost everywhere as long as I have a pillow...

>>508506046
it look like something you die in at 80 years old

>>508506186
You are retarded.

>>508502657
degenerate piece of shit

>>508502328 (OP)
been sleeping on the floor my entire life. All started when boomer dad was too cheap to buy me a bed as a child so I just got used to it over time.

>>508505993
All mattresses deform and sag no matter if you are skinny or fat or the mattess is firm or soft.

It is no substitute for real skeletal support.

>>508502328 (OP)
I sleep on nails and glass slathered in sulphuric acid. peak comfy

I have 2 metal bars and almost 30 screes in my back, its not going to get any worse and Ill never be able to sleep in wood or well. I wish a day went by I wasnt in pain.

>>508505512
Sleeping on a hammock sucks. There's no freedom of movement, it's cramped and it gets too hot in the summer (I sleep in a winter sleeping bag in all seasons). Sleeping on the ground is way better.

>>508506719
Based machineman eternal agony

>>508505691
>>508506224
I'm an autistic skinny man

My lower back hurts pretty bad in bed.
I'm forced to sleep on my side.
Shit sucks.

>>508502534
me and the missus

>>508506719
Cant even imagine having an injured spine and having to sleep on a mattress torture device. Sounds awful.

>>508506893
Try sleeping on the floor for a couple of weeks. Seriously. What have you got to lose?

>>508506893
>My lower back hurts pretty bad in bed.

Your mattress torture device might be sagging in the middle. It can cause that.

>>508506897
Does she have a stap on, or a natural boner?

>>508506967
I use to sleep on my floor allot as a kid and teen until they had to replace half my spine with metal and bone graph from a rib they removed. i cant imagine bending moving or anything anymore, I dont remember what it was like. must be nice.

>>508503098
Kinda like, you ready, a mattress?

>>508505665
sleeping on the floor is a little extreme especially if you already have bad musculoskeletal issues
you need to fix it with exercise and then switch to a thin shikibuton or thick blanket to preserve the gains

think about it like this, 100,000 years ago your ancestors were sleeping on leaves, animal skin, a thatched grass bed, or if they were really rich they could afford a frame of raised wooden planks like the fucking pharaohs. 500 years ago they were doing the same thing. humans evolved to sleep on the ground with minimal cushion support.

>bro you can't not sleep on the 1000 dollar padded jew!!! if you don't buy it you will fuck up your back!!!
mattresses are like the furniture equivalent of people telling you that it's not healthy to fast

>>508502534
toplel

>>508502328 (OP)
This might help someone else with back problems.
Late 20s my back was hurting more and more. Got a new mattress that was firmer, no difference.
Had to sleep on the floor for a few days during a move and realized my back pain had disappeared.
Started sleeping on an extra thick comforter that was folded in half, the stuffing became flat after about a year.
Went online, did research, remembered that the Japanese traditionally sleep on the floor, their mattresses are called 'shikibutons', they are what the American futon was based on, but they are so wildly different.
I bought a shikibuton hand made in Japan for $800, made to order. Upon special request they can skip adding the plastic lining in it that the entire state of California or maybe US REQUIRE in furniture, they force you to sleep on plastic at all times.
The Japanese believe in only sleeping on top of natural materials.
Since I've had it my back pain is 90% resolved, still have little aches when I don't stretch enough.
I got it two years ago, they are suppose to last up to seven years.
The only bad thing about buying these is you have to get one from Japan because no other culture gives two shits about making anything properly, also if you look for one, there are numerous Chinese and American companies pretending to be authentic Japanese shikibuton masters.
The Japanese method is days worth of folding the cotton, combing it out, and repeating. Everyone else just shoves cotton into a case.
Once a week it has to be put out in the sun for an our or two to prevent mold.
A proper shikibuton NEVER has to be turned, fake ones will tell you you need to turn it weekly to prevent mold.
Many people fold theirs and put them in a corner, I roll mine up and stand it up in the closet.
Mattresses are a scam and a rip off.

>>508507310
not the image i wanted to post

>>508506284
>>508507176
And you are a faggot.

>>508507255
Not anything remotely like a mattress. A mattress is a foot wide mess of bouncy fun house springs good for slowburn torture and nothing more.

>>508507536
If i were, it would be better than the shitskin you are. Go back to your country, leave the Bri'ish alone.

>>508502657
hot

>>508503098
That sounds like what saint Henry Suso did

>>508507532
Yeesh that looks a little too much like a "pillow top" for my taste. All that padding will never stay even for long and soon there will be torture.

Ive found that anymore padding than a thick blanket or an inch of foam will cause you pain

>>508507463
Flat surfaces align your back while overly fluffy ones allow your spine to bend based on body weight. Flat surfaces force your muscles to get stronger while soft let them stretch.

>>508508143
>Flat surfaces force your muscles to get stronger
quick rundown?? where could i read more on this?

>>508508143
Now tell the backwards mattress people that.

>>508502456
>>508502534
>>508502577
But he’s right, you supposed to sleep on the hard surface, and better even without a pillow or with a very small one. Can confirm that the quality of sleep is better, however, you need some time to get used to it.

>>508503847
yes and its retarded

>>508508277
It's common sense. A fluffy surface drags your heavy parts down while a Flat firm one forces weight onto your muscles in a neutral pose and strengthens them. That's why backs feel good after sleeping on something "uncomfortable."

From an evolutionary point of view, it's amazing how the human body really hasn't adapted to sleep
>mattress too firm = bad
>mattress too soft = bad
>sleep on stomach = lower back pain
>sleep on side = shoulder and/or neck pain
>sleep on back = back pain
For something that we all do 8 hours a day, everyday for the last 100 million years you'd figure that our bodies would adapt to any and all sleeping conditions.

>>508508859
All sounds like MTD problems. (Mattress torture device)

>>508506158
I love Halloween

>>508502328 (OP)
>gripes about a problem
>doesn't even try to suggest a solution
Get fucked by niggers you whiny cocksucker.

>>508509013
>All sounds like MTD problems. (Mattress torture device)
What's the solution? Sleeping on dirt or sand or farm hay?

>>508509332
Wooden plank with very thin layer of padding. Best i can advise.

>>508502639
i sleep on the floor

>>508502328 (OP)
i am so hard i sleep on knives

>>508503823
I used to sleep on two tatami mats at the height of my weeaboo phase. They smell good as well. By the way you can get two tatami mats of that size into a L500 series Daihatsu Mira. You have to remove front and rear passengers seats but they will fit trust me.

>>508510745
I sleep under a Chinese water torture device

>>508503823
What's with the cuck chair?

>>508502905
Underrated post. Good on ya lad.

>>508502328 (OP)
What fucking skeleton
I live in Sweden not USA, we don't have skeletons here, why are you talking about I don't know what skeleton you mean or you are talking about. Stop lying about skeletons I don't have any.

>>508502639
The ground like a gorilla

>>508506897
Judging by the width of the hips, I can confirm that both of these skeletons are male

>>508504014
>would you want it tossed around a hammock all night?
hammocks are actually far superior to any bed

>>508505512
make an adjustable dyneema ridgeline my nigga.
learn to splice rope. make some whoopie slings while you're at it

>>508502328 (OP)

Nice thread. I recently developed a ton of issues which I am only recently realizing are caused by:
>out of shape since COVID
>work from home desk job since COVID
>shitty desk chair since COVID
But mostly
>Shitty expensive box spring that I replaced my futon with after I got married

I've been getting all kinds of tests due to numbness, nerve issues, compressed spine, and more, but I'm literally researching what kind of bed to buy and come across this thread. Anons should take this seriously as my back is totally messed up. I now have unevenly developed muscles because of constant uneven muscle strain/tension and need physio to fix it. It messed up my posture, causes pain, messed up my jaw alignment, fucked up half of my lymph drainage leading to more issues, and on and on. So much bs because I listened to big box spring instead of keeping my futon.

Your bed is a shelf you put your body on when you're not using it.

>>508511649
You wouldnt throw a spine into a bag to keep it safe and in tact. Youd lay it on a table

>>508512194
Mostly true. But if I'm not using my body, someone else usually is. I got bills to pay.

>>508502328 (OP)
I actually have a memory foam mattress and a bulky pillow which means my body sinks down and my head is propped far upwards, I have a chin that sticks in front of my toes but it's not enough. I need to keep giraffemaxxing. How do I improve my spinal distortion and neck length?

>>508512194
Very true

You don't have a skeleton the jews lied to you

>>508512481
You could try the tranny way of neckmaxxing.

>>508502860
help! hes gommin right for me!

>>508512192
Do light exercise to strengthen your back muscles. Push-ups are great for your back. Be careful if you are having issues from it already. Start with girl push-ups and work your eqy up, slowly.

As a side sleeper, sleeping on anything hard is simply not an option, that luxury is reserved for back sleepers. If I sleep on anything too hard my hips and shoulder get destroyed
>Just learn how to back sleep
I tried for years, it just doesnt work, I dont fall asleep like that no matter how many times I tried

>>508502577
also don't be fat

>>508512194

>>508502534

>>508506186
Dont be jealous because your a soft man

>>508512705
Get something firm but a little deeper. I'm a side sleeper and still enjoy OPs idea more.

>>508505855
Getting cucked by a nigga with a 0 BMI

>>508502835
This.
Sleeping on a hard rubber mat is the best for you and you'll get better sleep.
It takes a few days to get used to

>>508503098
Based
Did you every fuck anybody on the door.

>>508510909
That’s actually his car seat. You don’t want too much cushioning

>>508510745
>>508510847
I sleep on a 15 kiloton nuclear device.

>>508512745
Would bone her

>>508510909
He's the director of his own life

Way off topic, but does anyone else boil their hamburger meat instead of frying it?