Wanna troll big AI companies?
>plenty of "loli artists" just trace cp to get proportions etc right
>AI image gen models can generate lolis
>because they learned on data that included literally traced cp
>it was proven that a lot of "loli artists" just traced cp
>if you can bamboozle the AI models to list their source data (this still can be done) and name the cp tracing "artists" or drawings
>this would make the AI model admit it generates images based on traced literal cp
This would be a real fucking hell for any law departament of any corporation, wouldn't it? Boy it would really suck for them.

>>508531571 (OP)
bump

>plenty of "loli artists" just trace cp to get proportions etc right
>it was proven that a lot of "loli artists" just traced cp
Relative to the amount of loli art out there, the vast majority of works aren't traced.

Fuck faggot pigs and zoomers.
Willing to burn the country down over drawings but don't give a shit about the real pedophiles in Congress and Hollywood.
Every single one of them should be driven out to the desert and starved to death while niggers dance around them singing gospel music.

>>508532521
Yeah but also big chunk of those that weren't traced were "inspired" by big artists that traced cp, same as the AI image gen models themselves. I remember some anons making lists of those artists, like shadman or minus8. If a gen model admits it had their art in the learning data, that's a potential big uh-oh moment.

>>508531571 (OP)
Woodchipper

>>508532521
Op has seen them all, you have only seen a fraction. I can tell from your wording

>>508531571 (OP)
>>if you can bamboozle the AI models to list their source data (this still can be done)
this nigga retarded. the models don't have any special knowledge of how or with what they were trained. if it tells you it does it's hallucinating

>>508535268
Is this why New York Times is suing Open AI in court, because the models themselves admitted and cited 100% verbose copyrighted materials, because of hallucinations?
https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/judge-explains-order-new-york-times-openai-copyright-case-2025-04-04/

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/26/nx-s1-5288157/new-york-times-openai-copyright-case-goes-forward

https://harvardlawreview.org/blog/2024/04/nyt-v-openai-the-timess-about-face/

You're a stupid nigger and should stfu.

>>508531571 (OP)
That’s not how AI works, dumbass.

>>508534999
I'm actually entirely clueless on the topic of lolis or loli art. I remember it being discussed over the years, that's it.

>>508534999
>Op has seen them all
No one has seen all of the loli art in existence.
>you have only seen a fraction
I've been fapping to loli art for over 15 years now. I've seen enough to know there's significant differences in style that could not be attributed to a majority of artists copying the proportions of real little girls.

>>508535702
>a lawsuit
Who cares lmao. Every major company is facing dozens if not hundreds of lawsuits at any given time

>>508532621
Shut up ypu little bitch.

>>508536014
>>508535894
Try harder nigger.

>>508536014
Not for cp

>>508536230
Faggot
Go suck some more nigger cock queer
Fucking incels bitch

>>508531571 (OP)
>if you can bamboozle the AI models to list their source data (this still can be done) and name the cp tracing "artists" or drawings
>this would make the AI model admit it generates images based on traced literal cp

>>508536014
If you can't imagine a potential shitstorm of biblical proportions for traced cp being present in the learning data, and someone bamboozling the model to recreate traced cp 1:1 like NYT did with their articles, the potential public backlash and regulatory changes (none of which is guaranteed to happen) - that's on you.

>>508535702
This works with text because textual works explicitly cite each other. The citations are part of the training data. It’s not the same for image generators, which don’t even work the same as LLMs and chatbots. You don’t have conversations with image generators like you do with LLMs

>NYT bamboozled language model tobrecreate 100% word by word their copyrighted articles
This ended up in court.
>anons bait an image gen model to recreate some traced works of shadman or minus8 (or any other)
>result would be AI recreating traced cp
This has potential to hit congress, doesn't it? Imagine the absolute shitstorm.

>>508537194
In what context is Shadman’s work going to end up in models used by OpenAI for image generation? Only degenerates running localized AI models at home train on that shit. OpenAI will delete that stuff before it makes its way into the training set. They’re not training image generations on shadbase lol wtf

>>508537120
>this cannot be done, because I think so, never tried it tho
You do realize you can ask ChatGPT to generate an image for you and then tell you why it chose to draw it this way? It's rather shit, but there's plenty that can be tried with that. Not to mention baiting image gen models to very accurately recreate something.

>>508537453
Are you sure about that?

I mean with all the people working for those companies, surely someone thought of an edge case like this... Right? Might be worth checking if they did in every single company. Perhaps some didn't.

>>508533849
No, you're making this up. The vast number of big artists do not trace. I know this for a fact as I was part of that scene in the past. This is for JP artists, idk what Western artists do.
Typically loli refers to jp works, though I acknowledge that Western ones also draw it.
It's like saying western artists can draw manga or manhwa or donghua. Technically true, but not really.

Now imagine if Russia or China dedicated some resources for such... training set data flaws based attacks? Other attacks might also be worth a go, like trying to bait ChatGPT to recreate some works like Lolita or freaky "loli" fanfic sites, and if it succeeds pushing a PedoGPT narrative on social media.

Hopefully those companies took it into consideration, right? Seems like a very fucking obvious vector of attack.

>>508535949
You're clueless yet you claim "it was proven that X"? Retard.

>>508539164
>>508539267
You're the loli expert boss. I've seen many discussions over the years talking about a significant part of it being traced. Almost every "lolis are not based on children" discussion eventually gets there. So if you claim you were part of that scene, it seems dishonest to claim it's somehow a news to you.

>>508531571 (OP)
Hay rabbi whatcha doing?

>>508539752
You're pulling information out of your ass and claiming that it's common for conversations to get there. Which is absurd. And even your own image just further reinforces my original statement of "it's not the JP artists who do that" as the guy in the image was Russian.
Besides, "using as a reference" != tracing. Tracing is a pretty serious allegation against any artist.
What most do is something along the lines of "hmm, I like this image, I'll draw it myself", or if they're taking a commission the person will send them an image and say "I want X character in this pose" or something.
If it gets found out you traced that's basically a torpedo to your career, like what happened to shadman if I recall correctly. Note that new artists are allowed this as it's very obvious they're new and starting.

Also worth noting most loli artists use *other loli artists* as references. Even if somewhere down the line, someone used a real kid as a reference, a copy of a copy of a copy is going to lose its resemblance to the original.

What's more, a significant amount of loli art these days is NSFW art of characters from some video game or anime. Those characters were clearly not designed based on real children, so mimicking their design must be acceptable.

>>508542015
inb4 "yeah but they traced REAL CP and then just made it look like the designs"
I swear the cultural brainrot must be terminal if people can't even imagine people being able to draw something themselves without tracing it.
Ironically tracing is harder than just drawing it yourself once you get skilled enough.

>>508541511
You're the loli expert boss. It seems you're bothered by the terminology and a lack of differentiation between japanese loli and non-japanese loli drawings.

As for the discussions, a quick basic search shows plenty of results. I refuse to believe someone has spent any time on chans and not seen these discussions happening in the most random of places (or even video game chats etc).
https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/text/Traced%20cp/page/1/
But yeah I have 0 fucking idea if it's actually true, I assume it's true as I've seen discussions that some artists made it their entire "career" to "legally" sell "not-cp" this way.

For the purpose of trolling, all you need is 1 output anyway.

>>508542407
Aside from your posts today (obviously), most of those posts are from people saying X is not traced CP, like this post:
>Real CP can't be made without abusing children retard. An AI trained on those images also contributes to that. Drawings and 3D modelling is fine as long as it isn't traced from the real stuff.
Which encapsulates the search terms "traced cp". 250 results out of more than 500 million.
Just accept that it's not actually a thing that's that common to the scene.
Your entire purpose of the thread's creation was to troll, which as you said doesn't actually need it to be the case. My problem is you insisting that it happens sans evidence, because the biggest retards imaginable (US congressmen and their aids) will see that and go "hurpadurp, we better ban loli if it's all traced!"

Adding a bit extra to the discussion, I have watched loli artists create their artwork on livestreams before. No IRL references were used.

>>508543770
As have I. Ironically, and I say this with utmost sincerity, I actually don't typically enjoy the process of watching things be drawn outside of speed-ups, but they always have the best music choice which was my primary reason for tuning in.

>>508542407
>It seems you're bothered by the terminology and a lack of differentiation between japanese loli and non-japanese loli drawings.
That's just my terminology autism. I didn't attempt to make it a serious argument point but it needed to be said, due to different cultures having VERY different standards. Take a tour of any chinese steel factory vs. german steel factory if you need a reminder.

>some artists made it their entire "career" to "legally" sell "not-cp" this way.
"Some" being the keyword, as all it takes is one for "some" to be technically true. Your earlier claim though was that ">it was proven that a lot of "loli artists" just traced cp which is simply nonsense. Doubly more so when it seems half of the loli stuff these days are utilizing such size differences that they would be toddlers, or with fantastical beasts like dragons or taking horses or slime monsters or whatever else, which of course can't be traced for reasons I hope is obvious.

>>508543607
>My problem is you insisting that it happens sans evidence, because the biggest retards imaginable (US congressmen and their aids) will see that and go "hurpadurp, we better ban loli if it's all traced!"
Chances are they don't even know that it exists

>>508546748
No but lurkers will read this and repeat it and spread the falsehood just like you did.
You are the very evidence of my assertion.