Thread 508561605

Common pattern I've seen in european countries:

>boomers vote for the estabilishment parties
>middle aged vote for the far-right
>youth vote for the left

There's a concerted propaganda effort in all of these places to keep everyone voting for the far right. Every European nation, with America, openly supports fascism all over the world. In every instance. Funds it. Arms it. Militarizes it. All to use it against communists.

>>508561850
Correct. Were hoping for fascism to kick all the blacks and browns out. But it never does.

>>508561977
Thats not what its designed to do. Fascists are more likely to import more minorities just to keep you fighting with them, if no other reason. The only goal is to distract you from socialism.

>>508561605 (OP)
There is a saying that says if you aren't leftist at 15yo you are hearthless, if you aren't right wing at 40yo you are brainless.

>>508562056
And if I am not distracted? Then the socialists will import tons of migrants and take my property.

>>508562237
You don't live in socialist society. You live in the west. So you're on the fascist half of the world. Socialism is your enemy. The immigration happens as the direct result of your fascist economic policies.

>>508562056
Ok, needing an alternate solution then. What you got?

>>508562288
Yes I’m very sure things would be super different because the ideological system you like would be in place. Fuck off. You faggots are all the same. Retarded idealists.

>>508562056
>>508562288
Did you ever read the proposals lf the French left on Immigration?

>>508562400
Drop your racism. Drop your bigotry. Drop your hate. Drop all identity politics. Focus on class. This is something known as "communism". Your hate can destroy others, for certain, but it inevitably destroys yourself too.

>>508562400
What existed before all this manichean "choice".

>>508562435
You dont have any leftwing politics in the west. Youre the enemy of them. The fact that you believe leftwing politics exist, in any meaningful capacity in your society, is the result of a concerted propaganda campaign financed by billionaires.

>>508562458
Focus on class? You’re unemployed. How could you be part of the “working class”?

>>508562500
Because the western leftism is “not da real leftism” right? If you think this way the grass can always be greener. Give an example of “actual leftism” then, that actually exists in the world.

>>508562597
Most places outside of the west have leftwing politics. Leftwing politics do not exist in the west. Western nations war all over the globe against leftwing politics and anyone claiming otherwise is mendacious.

>>508562646
Give an actual concise example.

>>508562682
Ive answered you plenty concisely.

>>508562056
What is fascism, retard

>>508562783
No you haven’t. You were vague. Name one specific country lel.

>>508562786
Fascism is when rich people play identity politics in order to protect capitalism from socialism. That's /pol/. That's the west.

>>508562458
>Drop your racism
If racial diversity is good, and we say that we enjoy diversity, then we have a duty to preserve said diversity for humanity and future generations.

Racial diversity occurs through racism.

Ergo, racism is good, natural, healthy, and should it lead to separating people via their differences, lends to minimization of all conflicts across the board.

Tldr; separation and borders, more than anything else, yields world peace, high-trust safe & secure societies for women and children especially.

Corroborated through examples everywhere, now and throughout all human history.

>>508562458
Define racism

>>508562849
I take it your entire understanding of fascism as an ideology stems from an anecdotal quote from a Marxist philosopher in the 20th century?

>>508562878
You have racial diversity in America due to your own policies on the right. From the beginning of slavery which happened due to your exploitative capitalism, to the modern openborders you experience as a direct result of your fascist economic policies forcing your reliance on them. No one's to blame but yourselves and none of your rightwing rationalizations or pseudointellectual philosophizing will ever change the situation. Your politics made America, and Europe, what it is.

>>508562974
My understanding of your politics is separate from your empty, pandering propaganda about yourselves. In that sense youre correct.

>>508562878
No racism is shit. You aren't racist most /pol/ isn't racist. Only jews are racists since they think they are superior to all races and have the right to enslave them and mix their races so only theirs remain.
Remember jews always accuse you of what they are guilty.

>>508562849
That's the socialist definition and it makes me groan, because it ignores the ideological drive to "improve" the nation. It also ignores why people become fascists and just how anti establishment they are, and what fascists/national socialists are now to what they were in the past. There is isolationist fascism, decentralised American fascism, and so forth

In reality what you are referring to is just postmodern capitalism, which uses any and all tools including the ones of fascism and social democracy to maintain control over the people and set up horrendously unfair economic conditions around the world. It has very little to do with fascism.

>>508561605 (OP)
>DVD

Lmfao, why not vote for VHS or Betamax instead?

>>508563000
You perceive globalist money makers as right wing, yet no right winger has anything to do with these people. Ultimately you are fighting against something that only exists in you fabricated mind.

>>508563052
If you are so knowledgeable can you name one left wing country today, like I had asked you earlier? You cannot just assert you are more enlightened than us without answering basic questions. It seems you are in fact the empty rhetorician/pseud.

>>508563201
Your propaganda about yourselves is immaterial to me. You are vampires who suck the blood of the nations you pretend to value. America is the fruit of your womb and its an AIDsridden pile of cancer with otherworldly astronomical wealth inequality.

>>508562458
>I don't want my people to become a minority in our own nation. If the fascists keep importing immigrants then tell me how your side will help me with this issue
>lol just accept becoming a minority and vote for communism and everything will become perfect

Are you clinically retarded?

>>508563123
Racism != racial supremacist beliefs
Don't make me spell shit like this out. You know what I was talking about and picked your own definition anyway - why? Don't do that.

>>508563261
Yup you are those people. Directly. "Globalist money makers" or whatever other neologisms you want to invent for them. That's you and the people you represent.

>>508561850
Lol this is the same retard from this past weekened who sat here 50pbtid'ing a thread trying to defend le heccin leftism while just getting destroyed and offering literally zero counterpoints. He pretty much gets every piece of information he has from Hasan and Vaush.

>>508563212
It stands for "divers droite" which are right-wing candidates that don't belong to any of the major party

>>508561850
No one cares about communists you delusional tankie.

>>508563272
China is a left wing country that has acted to bring hundreds of millions out of poverty and black bags vocal libertarians. It also virtually has veto power over every corporation in the country

>>508563325
The racism is whats used to manipulate the public into voting for the capitalism.

The capitalism is what makes you rely on the openborders to stay afloat.

Your ignorance and hatred digs your own grave. That's the false song of fascism. Its a poetic paradox.

>>508561605 (OP)
Boomers should all be dropped off to Israel to work as shabbos goys

>>508563336
It's not my definition, it was the common definition before jews gaslighted you with this false dichotomy (left/right).

>>508563368
“Everybody is a Neo-liberal except me.”

>>508561605 (OP)
Common pattern I've seen is Peter Thiel & friends manipulate the vote to ensure the people they want in power get there, because "the common people can't be trusted to vote according to the whims of the elite". As Mr Thiel himself stated.

>>508563422
State capitalist btw. Not to mention an extremely xenophobic culture. Lel. Not to mention practices Neo-colonialism in Africa.

>>508562056
Fascism is nationalistic, which means it's less likely to import foreigners since nationalism revolves around "our people", "our past". Communism seems to erase a countries past in most cases, preferring to start with a "clean slate". Foreigners can be utilized to bring about this clean slate as they have no attachment to the countries past or it's people.

>>508563324
Great, now you need to go to Americans and advocate for them to be more fair to the world. Better, you need to go to the rest of the imperial core and tell them to give up their alliance to America and go to the far more fair Chinese

I'm a socialist too, but blaming this on fascism is infantile. Ideologies have been deterritorialized by capitalism forever and remade to suit it.

>>508563526
Your propaganda about yourself is 100% empty and apart from reality.

>>508563546
Youre not socialists nope.

>>508561605 (OP)
>>boomers vote for the estabilishment parties
>>middle aged vote for the far-right
>>youth vote for the left

This would mean something if it wasn't a uniparty government everywhere.

>>508563368
>you are those people
>That's you
And yet the fourth Reich was the only country to begin trading goods for goods (barter) instead of swapping around fiat currency.

Meanwhile the soviet communists were busy starving millions of people, and when not doing that they were imprisoning them, and making them disappear.

>>508563549
Have you just given up? You’re just throwing empty rhetoric at us now and calling everything “propaganda”. Can you at least name one left wing country? Such is the leftypol dialectic.

>>508563511
No, China is explicitly leftist and has a totally different economic model to the rest of the world that no one in the west understands. It truly is socialism with Chinese characteristics, where the state sees itself as the "dictatorship of the proletariat" that protects the Chinese people.

And if you think that China is doing imperialism, look up the ISDS program that the west requires the world to use when taking on any economic help

>>508563860
Yeah there's no aspect of your historical narratives or propaganda about yourselves, on this board, which is rooted in any form of reality. Ever.

>>508563860
>fourth Reich
Sorry brainfart third*

>>508561850
The funniest thing about Leftists is even when they own all legacy media, all education institutions, all bureaucratic positions, and basically every influential position that exists, they still think fascists control everything and that some grand conspiracy is afoot.

>>508563930
These are all your institutions on the right. The far right.

>>508563877
Of course he can't. It's never real communism.

>>508563910
Whatever you say.

>>508563957
This is a bot, now, I'm certain of it. There's no way he read, thought out, and replied to >>508563930 in 30 seconds

>>508563981
You don't know what is real nationalism tho. I will be dead and you will still struggle with your fake oppositions.
Suffer and learn I guess this is the whole history of mankind.

>>508561605 (OP)
Old natives vote socialist or cuckservative.
Not as old ones have a three-way tie with the civnats.
Young natives vote cuckservative or civnat.

Immigrants tend to vote socialist, commie or "green" as those are the loudest when it comes to handing out gibs.

>>508563593
Why, because I don't cling like a retard to Marx?
>>508563860
The Soviets did not disappear people, they had a relatively weak state that had been destroyed repeatedly. It was a semi feudal society that was going to have a famine like feudal societies do, and Stalin was somewhat ignorant of it until it was too late to do a bunch about it.
Same thing happened in China except Mao was mentally retarded and should have been pushed off a cliff once he completed the revolution
>>508563930
It's frustrating as a leftist to listen to this, because it minimises how much of a problem capitalism is and how far we have to go. It motivates leftists to physically attack neo Nazis who they legitimately have more in common with than they would like to admit

>>508563467
No, whoever separated the term racism away from racial supremacism was doing the world a service. If we credit jews for that, so be it - there is clear value for us if we but wield the sword properly.

Because that gives us racism as natural and good, while supremacist beliefs float as cringe and faggy.

>>508563898
Is it the socialism or the Chinese characteristics that makes this country have so many billionaires? And your last statement is irrelevant and rhetorical, I am not playing east vs west here.

I support this

https://roedt.no/english

>>508564204
These people make their money in the limited, small free trade zones you set up, as rightist westerners, as a condition of allowing the Chinese into the global economy. It's all ultimately western money.

>>508564174
proof leftists will infight even if they’re the only two left on earth.

>>508564173
Sweden does seem like an exception in that the youth is not only more socially right-wing than the elders, but more economically right-wing as well

>>508564177
Yes, and the billionaires are allowed to exist. When they say things, they disappear, because the state who ideologically represents the people has absolute power

For example, look up what happened to the founder of AliExpress when he stuck his neck out

China isn't a perfect system but it is an example of a different and far more left wing one. Contrast it to the US where billionaires can just dictate what is going to happen .

>>508564258
>>508564204
BTW good example here in this exchange how /pol/ uses cherrypicked half-facts, lies by omission, to manipulate the perceptions of the public.

>>508563438
You know you could just make the stalinist argument and declare that the nation will have extremely strict border enforcement. Different racial groups live in different areas, and free movement is not allowed. You want to travel, you apply to your local bureaucracy, which then transfer your request to the capital. The Soviet union had this system for example Uzbeks, Siberians and other Central asians were forced to stay in their republics and couldn't pollute European Russia. If you enforce this system then every western racist will gladly become a communist and no longer decent the current status quo.

>>508563957
>Legacy media shits on white men, bitches about them and spouts left wing bullshit
>"These are all your institutions on the right. The far right."
This faggot has to either be a bot, or so fucking far to the left he's not even on the graph anymore.

>>508564174
>The Soviets did not disappear people
Top kek, but you'll believe the holocaust happened. What an incredibly stupid person you are.

>>508564050
Was sort of thinking the same myself, the internet is getting more and more dead by the day.

>>508564320
Stalinist Russia was not segregated by race and none of your historical narratives on this board are ever rooted in any form of fact.

The openborders thing is 100% your own doing on the right, no matter how much you insist on blaming everyone else as per the norm for yourselves.

>>508564334
The media in America all your institutions on the far right. Yes. If you genuinely believed otherwise its because western propaganda is explicitly brainwashing you to believe otherwise.

>>508561605 (OP)
>>508561850
>far-right
>looks inside
>its just people that dont want their country flooded by millions of 3rd worlders

Common pattern I've seen in almost every country:

You can only vote for zionist Jews and their democracies are a lie.

>>508564443
No. That's not what anyone considers far right. Thats your own typical rightwing strawman of leftists.

>>508564176
If you think so then you better stop worshiping Germans because their whole ideology revolved about Germanic supremacism and getting rid of other races.

>>508561605 (OP)
Don’t care

>>508564493
There is no far-right of significance in the west.

>>508564472
Zionism is about anticommunist imperialism. In the west your entire society relies on this anticommunist imperialism to survive. Without zionism you would have a communist middle east and all of the oil would be going to China and Russia. None in the USA. Thus why Israel's partnership with Americans are so important to the political establishment here. And any nazis claiming to be anti-Israel are just making more populist panderings of the sort theyre infamous for.

>>508564334
Im sure you get this, but I always point out the LNP whenever they are in power increase immigration by miles and ruin anything that could be for the workers ever.

Corporations will support anything that is trendy, demoralise people and not do anything to support prosocial stances because they don't care about that. It's all about more money and policy to make more money

This is because everything, even explicitly nationalist parties can get co-opted by capitalist/corporate interests who are just desperate to pay people 3 cents less and destroy the culture of where they live. A lot of the time people join those parties to represent corporate interests and make even more money

Nationalist parties are forced therefore into a compromise constantly. You have to be EXPLICITLY anti capitalist and not tolerate any of this shit at all

>>508564505
>revolved
Past tense ... you mean the nsdap? It really didnt do that, though. They had some fringe discussion - it was an item where different people in the party saw differently. It was not a "their whole ideology" kind of thing as you appear to be asserting.

>>508564639
Your politics, as a nazi, revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism. No matter how much you try to pander to your victims with pseudoleftwing rhetoric.

Lmao I love how your point here is basically “no look, China is left wing, they hold their billionaires accountable any time they are critical of the regime.” This is simple consolidation of power by the state. What about exploiting their workers? Have you seen Chinese working conditions? Are billionaires held accountable for this as often as they could?
>>508564258
“Westerners forced China to do capitalism” HOLY COPE

>>508564577
Communism is a product of zionism created to undermine Europe and the US. The only time there were breadlines in Hungary was during communism.

>>508564387
No, the holocaust also did not happen, especially the camps, it's a ridiculous myth
>>508564577
For fucks sake, Nazis oppose Israel because they see it as Jewish oppression of yet another group of people for their own imperial interests. They actually have solidarity

>>508564718
First line here in response to >>508564285

>>508564718
>“Westerners forced China to do capitalism” HOLY COPE
Yup basic facts and history.
>>508564726
>>508564565
You have the typical /pol/ack disease of falsely believing that just stating things totally inverted to the truth are going to make them seem real in the minds of your intended victims.

>>508561605 (OP)
Social media conditioning.

>>508564390
Lel sure buddy, all those segregated republics never existed , it was all a multicultural kumbaya.

I don't get it, you have a way to get what you want, just let us segragate by race/ethnicity, and we will gladly support a socialist state. Capitalism leads to mass immigration, and a ruling class that deliberately floods the nation with third world detritus in an attempt to increase GDP and destroy worker solidarity. I don't care what the economic model is, as long as I live in a homogeneous society far away from various browns.

What are you trying to prove with your stubborn support of neoliberal globohomo policies

>>508564739
Nazis dont oppose Israel. /pol/ doesn't oppose Israel. /pol/acks are the greatest supporters of Israel. /pol/acks got Trump elected. /pol/ack rhetoric is divorced from /pol/ack reality. Once more >>508564704: "Your politics, as a nazi, revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism. No matter how much you try to pander to your victims with pseudoleftwing rhetoric."

>>508564174
>capitalism
Government is utterly intertwined with the economy and corporations now to the point where whole industries are utterly reliant on government funding rather than market forces. We have something, but it ain't capitalism.

>>508564662
It was, you are delusional. You just have to read what Hitler wrote about other people.
He was a Rotschilds puppet dooming Europe and letting you in his path full of fissonance cognitive so nationalism never make a come back.

>>508564841
You can doubledown on your pseudohistory about the USSR as being a racist ethnostate if you want but it never was one. "Your politics, as a nazi, revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism. No matter how much you try to pander to your victims with pseudoleftwing rhetoric."

Your racism is just a tool you use to keep morons voting for capitalism. Which inevitably results in the openborders in order to keep it afloat. Funny irony.

>>508564845
You're too retarded to talk to. You don't even recognise rhetoric from later Marxists that I am using, and discarding it as Nazi shit.

You need to recognise that identity is a thing, that historical materialism is true but doesn't explain literally the entire world and everything that has ever happened

>>508564939
There's nothing else to say about your nazi pseudosocialism LARP other than "Your politics, as a nazi, revolve solely around using identity politics and jewish scapegoats to protect billionaires and capitalism from socialism. No matter how much you try to pander to your victims with pseudoleftwing rhetoric."

Thats the end-all-be-all statement on the matter.

>>508564789
Do you offer anything other than anecdotes and empty rhetoric? You do realize when you have a thesis you have to actually elaborate, right? Not just glibly state you are “citing facts and history”
>>508564297
Makes this post all the more funny. You don’t even use half-truths. Your dialectic is completely rhetorical and half the shit you say is pulled out of your ass.

>>508564739
>the holocaust also did not happen
Well, we can agree on that then, I wouldn't mind communism if it was jewish-free. Thats always been my offer to communists, I'll take their system in return for the mass genocide of every jewish person in the country. Political systems are less important than who runs said political systems.

>>508564845
An ai bot that is programmed to shill for Israel and left wing ideology, imagine my shock.

>>508564993
You are replying to a bot.

>>508564118
Nationalism is the only thing that held my country together. While you're right that I have no idea what ethnic nationalism would be like, I could argue that you likely don't either since you haven't had an ethno nationalist government that I'm aware of.

>>508564939
You are replying to a bot.

>>508564900
Capitalism as leftists describe it is alive and well. Capitalism by its nature co-opts and destroys all in its obsession for further profit.

We don't see it as some sort of sliding scale. As long as there is a system in place where the means of production are privately owned, there is capitalism.

Ie, you see governments bailing out banks, where profits are private and losses are socialised. Ultimately this is not a system which is meant to benefit anyone but those business owners who have institutional power

>>508564911
There were quite literally passports that only allowed you to move between certain areas of the USSR. Most people could not leave where they were from unless they had some legitimate reason to.

Was it racially motivated? I dont know enough about it but I wouldn't be surprised

>>508565104
Openborders, particularly H1B visas and illegal immigrants, on top of a military that mass murders millions of innocent communists and plunders their natural resources for capitalism, is what holds your country together in the real world. Outside of rightwing delusion and ignorance there'd be no America, nor its capitalism, left on the face of this Earth if not for those 2 things.

>>508564789
>drivel with zero points or arguments in it
Classic leftist. Name a big far right party in the west.
These are all facts: Communism was made up by Karl Marx, a jew. Breadlines and food shortages only happened in Hungary during communism. Hell, they managed to cause a famine in fucking Ukraine - the country with THE most fertile soil in the world.
History and observable reality refute you.

>>508565160
Your pseudohistory on this board is never real.
>Was it racially motivated? I dont know enough about it
Then stop sharing your supposed opinions.

>>508562186
mais quel genre d'abruti tu es ? c'est l'inverse

guys dont listen to him he's a moron, the real saying goes :
if you vote right wing at 20, you're heartless, and if you vote left wing after 30, you're brainless

>>508565104
That's not what Im arguing about considering the state of my country I have no room to judge yours.
Nationalism wasn't the end game, it was meant to be temporary, a period of transition to go back to absolute monarchy.
What Hitler made of it isn't what it meant at the origin.

>>508565250
Who cares at the end of the day if you are voting you are a retard.

>>508565160
>Capitalism as leftists describe it is alive and well.
Well see, there's the problem. Leftists are masters of word manipulation. We literally live in a world where people are squabbling about what a woman is. It's a manufactured argument that breaks up friendships, destroys families, and is a major political hot topic. The West is overwhelming socialist. We've dipped our toes into Marxism and it's shit.
White rule again please.

>>508565323
Overwhelming levels of FoxNews and InfoTard delusions within this post.

>>508565245
Shut up bot, if you weren't even aware of this you need to get a better indian programmer

>>508565029
I've always been open to an alliance with pretty much anyone who is explicitly anti-capitalist.

>>508564577
“Without Zionism you would have a communist Middle East”
Not sure if those “freedom fighters” are fighting for communism.
“All of the oil would be going to China and Russia”
ALL OF IT???? LEL

>hey i have no power to control things so let’s vote for our right wing kosher zionist kabal party because they said they will deport and be otherwise hostile and rude towards the immigrants they invited while dramatically increasing my power distance from those in charge!
brilliant!

>>508564911
Please open a history book you will find that the USSR had a system of internal movement of its populace where you needed permission to move to a different place, especially to a different republic. This creates more or less zones where a dominant ethnic group cannot be diluted via capitalist mass migration. The same policies were in place is Yugoslavia as its republics had zones where ethnic groups dominated, and no mass movement was allowed so we can keep the peace. Modern China has similar policies Uighurs cannot move to Han areas, and will only be allowed movement for exceptional circumstances.

>>508565425
All of it. And I am quite certain you know nothing about the middle east if you think America's "War on Terror" is a war on terror, or islamic radicalism, instead of a war against secular socialism in the promotion of radical Islamicism throughout the entire region. Such is the power of American brainwashing to totally misinform Americans for generations.

>>508565464
Your pseudohistory on this board is profoundly unimpressive to everyone who reads the board and the USSR was not ethnically segregated in any fashion. Nope. Incorrect. Go back to posting about how Earth is flat and holding your cum in will give you superpowers or something.

>>508561605 (OP)
>youth vote left
Here kids out of high school vote left, people over 20 vote right, middle aged and elderly vote left.

>>508565464
This is all pseudohistory. You’re using half truths to promote your fascist outlook and distract you from the class struggle. These are clearly Neo-colonialist western establishment talking points that should honestly just be ignored. This never happened.

Source: history and facts

>>508565323
Look, leftists care more or less about many different things.

I don't give a shit if you're a tranny, fag or nigger, it's a distraction from what matters.

I see a lot of that stuff pushed by navel gazing retards who haven't ever read outside their specific niche interest and identity group. For example, Belle Hooks is a decent feminist read and a legitimate critique of patriarchy, however the average shit said by a twitter feminist no matter how educated is blind to the reality that men are 50 percent of the population and have desires.

What I did originally is picked beliefs I liked and drew a worldview from that. I was originally a Nazi, was convinced by the rhetoric of people in those fields that "killing Jews won't solve the problem because then white people will do it too", and have moved a great deal since then.

>>508565556
>>508565637
Holy fuck you can’t make this shit up.

>>508565556
>psudeohistory
Kek, westoid college dropouts harking about communism is sonerthing else.
Dont you find it strange that none if the countries that experienced want it back? Not a single one.

>boomers: dying out and put into nursing homes with their shitskin caretakers
>middle aged: keep voting for right wing nationalism
>youth: they barely care about politics and even if they collectivly vote for something, they numbers just arent that big (falling birthrates)

sorry but the future is national socialism with death camps and patriach centered families

>>508565500
When did I say any of this? The reality is those groups are not fighting for socialism. They are often aligned against the Arab socialists whom they outnumber. I’m sorry. Your ideology is for the most part meaningless to this part of the world.

>>508561850
Complete opposite is true. You are delusional

>>508564907
Alright least-jewish Frenchman. I wasn't familiar with your game. I dont *want to* refute those points, befause you're right, but it still wasnt a party-wide phenomena, as far as i know. More of an aside to the actual parade, and not shared by all. If Hitler said a few things here and there, fine. Personally I am not the nsdap worshipper you may have thought I could be. Judging by your post here, sounds like im closer to your club of thought.

>>508565645
Your post seems so tragic. Like you have no concept of how these people on this board are using your own hatred against you, to turn you into their complete mindcontrolled footsoldier whose only purpose is to benefit the wealthy. It won't matter how much pseudoleftist rhetoric you pander to people with anon. While youre slinging the hate youre always going to be doing the right's work for it and youre only going to be helping wealthy psychopaths who are turning around and laughing about how easily you are manipulated.

>>508565813
Yup the Arab Socialists are what you and your western nations oppose. And you have armed Islamic militias all over the middle east to oppose them. Including Osama Bin Laden himself. Primarily in order to keep the oil out of the hands of overtly communist nations. So I am not sure what your point in trying to backpedal your previous statement here was.

>>508565825
If you genuinely believe that its because your television told you to believe it and youre unable to discern the irony.

>>508561605 (OP)
There's a saying:
If you don't vote left when you're young you have no heart, if you don't vote right when you're old you have no brain.

In that sense nothing has changed for a century, these young people learn from their mistakes in time.

>>508563385
If he's an eceleb viewer, then it's astonishing that one of those retards managed to understand how imageboards work.

>>508566004
Care to answer?>>508565675
Or it'll be the usual ostrich politics you do when you get disproven.

>>508565973
What are the overtly communist nations? And I will have to agree somewhat with this narrative although it lacks nuance. To a certain degree Islamists were used against leaders like Gaddafi and Al-Assad by the United States to protect their financial interests (and that of Israel). But these elements are ubiquitous throughout the Middle East and if you are implying they are a western creation that is laughable.

>>508566151
They're 100% western creations. 100% intentional ones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowback_(intelligence)

>>508565412
>I've always been open to an alliance with pretty much anyone who is explicitly anti-capitalist.
Fascism was crafted by ex-socialists, ultimately we have more in common than others would believe, I'm sure if you really listed Stalin's style of goverance more national socialists would have no issue with it. Jewish people can never be communist anyways, their entire religion and ethos is that they are a master race (so called "god's chosen"), and everyone else should be their slaves. They are incompatible with socalism, communism, national socialism, or Fascism - in all cases they need to be removed.

Anyways, I'm off to the gym, later.

>>508563385
>>508566093
He has zero points. +80% of the people that actually lived in communism fucking hate it. Must be the CIA's fault...

>>508565813
Socialists around the world are completely under the heel of America and its allies. They cannot oppose America/capitalism or they will have their assets seized and be unable to trade.

Hugo Chavez went through this big time. We should pretty much have solidarity with any anti-American state imo

>>508565831
I have no game, I think it's ultimately over and if an other puppet come tomorow billions of Europeans will follow him in the meat grinder. They tried it with Ukraine and it worked like a wonder.
Now we are stuck with this retarded ideology, zoomers will fall for it more than others because they are uncultured and sometimes even proud of it.

>>508566239
Yes I am familiar with all of this. However you still lack nuance (the Americans using Islamists to their advantage =\= Americans inventing islamism, this is a textbook example of using a half truth lel). And you have also still failed to explain how communism comes into play here. Arab socialism is not communism, and I am unsure what “overtly communist” nations you are referring to. Where do you see communism? WHERE *sniff* IS DE MARKSISM??? You have also still failed to name a single state you view as properly “left wing” today.

>>508565825
Yeah, because the rise of any far-x group is always explicitly anti system and therefore anti-capitalist.

Far right, far left, opposing the current system is enough for me to want to ally with you

>>508566428
Unnecessary explaining, my point does not contradict this statement. If it seems it does, you will have to read it in it’s full context and understand the nature of my argument.

>>508566457
I tend to agree.
My strategy for years has been basically to always shift discussions to the 1 part of natsoc that actually matters, and which can speak to both the natsoc and non natsoc crowds equally, without resorting to that termed ideology (nazism), and without attributing anything to hitler .... separation. IMO, all thats really needed to enjoy peace, prosperity, and our lives with our friends women and children, is to reduce the bullshit, the conflict. Its the mixing of differing people together which explodes risks for all. Hell, even just put drug addicts in the same area as normies, and the 2 groups will bicker and conspire their whole lives against each other, both sides constantly fighting for laws that favor their group. And that is just the most milquetoast example among hundreds far more egregious and obvious. Borders have always served this most noble purpose. Big fan of borders.

>>508566004
You are utterly delusional like schizophrenia tier delusional