>American women have never been this resigned to staying single. The challenges of finding a romantic partner have been made more complicated by a growing divide in education and career prospects between men and women.

https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/relationships/american-women-are-giving-up-on-marriage-54840971?mod=e2tw

https://x.com/WSJ/status/1936460390113644767

>>508586981 (OP)
https://archive.is/cmNKG

>>508587035
>This seems to be changing. Over half of single women said they believed they were happier than their married counterparts in a 2024 AEI survey of 5,837 adults. Just over a third of surveyed single men said the same.
>A 2022 Pew survey of single adults showed only 34% of single women were looking for romance, compared with 54% of single men, down from 38% and 61% in 2019. Men were also more likely than women to say they were worried that nobody would want to date them.

>>508586981 (OP)
if we can print a burger, we can print a woman

Most of these women know that they are unfit for relationships and motherhood and thus choose to remove themselves from the gene pool. The women who *do* marry and become mothers are generally quite productive, leading to a profound founders' effect over the next 30 years

Always has been. Women are retarded and need someone to order them around or they implode

>>508586981 (OP)
>American women give up on marriage
Women don't decide who gets married. Men do. Men have given up on marriage. Women have no power here.

>>508587744
Oh boy. The liberal white women won't have kids, and the "conservative" white women will have black kids out of wedlock then look for a simp to help them raise Glocktavius Jr.. The future is looking bleak.

>>508586981 (OP)
The difference between MGTOW and HGTOW though, is they'll all be utterly fucking miserable and a lot of the dudes will figure it out.

I legit think "the pill" and all the SSRI and adjacent medications are behind the decline of american marriage. People keep blaming stuff like education or economics. its the birth control pill.

>>508588210
IKR? This is some really infantile shit.

>Nooo! WE'RE giving up on marriage, not men.

It reminds me of a joke of Garry Shandling, "My girlfriend moved in with another guy, so I dumped her."

>>508588828
ofc it is. it freed them from their "biological shackles" and allows them to pick and choose with who they will sleep with. unfortunately, women are terrible at choosing good men. there's a lot of problems but the government does not care because women are a big voting bloc now and they can't risk losing that.

Robot spouses are the future

I've talked with 3 women who connect after 10+ years and its obvious they are looking at me like I'm the betabux that will save them. There's a kind of light that goes off in their eyes when they realize that there's no more men who will dig them out of the mountain of shit they put themselves in. Just remembering that moment gets me going more than seeing them naked at this point.

>>508587035
That’s a rough 30. Literally would have guessed her age to be 38-42

>>508588210
This. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, but men are the gatekeepers of marriage.

>>508586981 (OP)
>relentless hypergamy causes bitches to self-select out of relationships...
Zero fucks given. Nothing of value is lost.

>>508586981 (OP)
Its not "giving up" when you cant get it. I am not giving up on owning a Ferrari...

>>508587035
Holy shit, gigachad doesnt have a jaw like that.

>>508588210
>You didnt dump us, we dumped you!
This.

>>508588626
Women cant go their own way. Thats the beauty of it. Men can feed themselves if need be, but women cannot. Women litetally owe their lives to men, theyd starve without us.

>>508586981 (OP)
>>508587035
>>508587144
Based. I'm all for our species transcending marriage and relationships. Artificial wombs and cloning will do the trick.

>>508589136
I have noticed random female cashiers trying to start personal conversations lately. Imagine being a 90 IQ cunt working at a Walmart checkout. Pretty much rock bottom. I love to see them suffer.

It's men giving up on marriage, at least with American women. That's the one thing that it's actually men doing.

>>508587744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5X18lqyDO0

>>508590138
After swallowing the redpill I cant unsee how even tradktional marriage under the so-called Patriarchy was a fucking scam. The men have to work all day while women reap all the benefits and have longer life spans than men, because men did all the dangerous work.

Marriage was a total fucking scam.

>>508589686
>Women are the gatekeepers of sex

Feminist detected lol

They already turned marriage into just a photoshoot and legal strategy for divorce rape so who cares? The moment the church allowed the state to grant divorces for marriages, it was over.

>>508589136
LOL
based

>>508590492
All women's complaints I've ever seen or heard are delusional. The kind of shit they complain about sounds like a picnic from our perspective. They'd never trade places with us, but somehow play victim anyway.

>>508590511
Stating the reality isn't being a feminist.

>>508590337
No man wants to be divorce raped, especially after seeing it happen to numerous friends and family members.

>>508590492
For the majority of human history, women were expected to burn a similar amount of calories as their husbands washing clothes and changing diapers and cooking food.

It was the industrial revolution that destroyed the male-female dichotomy.

>>508587035
Women just really don't get it. 30+ years of jewish programming has convinced them to think like men, while qualifying themselves to men.

No we don't want to hear about your career or ambition, especially since its some made-up psychobabble like 'leadership coaching'

>>508589136
>I've talked with 3 women who connect after 10+ years
Just 1 for me but yeah, they are tranparent. I mean I wanted her at 21, not at 36 when gallons of booze, miles of cock and tonnes of drugs went through her while I went from a skinny broke kid to a sucessful man with good physique. She has no value to me anymore and idk why she thought she would.

>>508590700
This is true. They had it incredibly easy in the 20th century, but fucked it all up for Sex and the City lifestyle. Dumb cunts.

>>508590546
>They already turned marriage into
Marriage was always a scam. >>508590492

How about we make a deal - you do risky dangerous work for higher than average pay and I get to sit home so you can feed me! Great deal isnt it? Not fair? But I look pretty like a flower after caking on makeup! Sign here.

>>508590790
>married woman
>looking pretty like a flower after caking on makeup
You're an optimist.

>t. Married 4 years

>>508590700
>>508590783
My grandmother lived like a tradirional wife from the 1800s. Yes, she was a bit more active than modern women because she would gather eggs, weed the garden, church some milk for butter, but compared to my grandfather she lived in fucking luxury. My grandfather almost died at work TWICE, she got to sit home and not have an actual job. Its not even comparable. Even in traditional marriage women are the masters and men are the slaves.

>>508591053
Exactly, I was alluding do that with the caked on makeup comment

>>508591053
I'm guessing she's well over 160lbs already.

>>508591092
You read Esther Vilar? I went through half her book before I decided that she's a bit extreme, but maybe she's fully right.

>>508586981 (OP)

>>508591187
220 after 2 kids

>>508591187
Yes, and she just confirmed things I realized as a boy while observing how all Western men are utterly beholden to the women around them. Slaves. You see it reflected in media, sitcoms, ads, school, gov propaganda, its everywhere.

>>508591304
So how are you dealing with celibacy now?

>>508586981 (OP)
They are too narcissistic to commit when they can get so much attention. I had a couple of female friends who are probably 8s if I am being honest, they probably would say 10. I remember we were at the beach and we were all talking about dating etc. I basically said I was looking to get married and have kids. They were shocked and were like "thats crazy that you want to do that" and the other was "like aww sweet, i could never do that" as if I was some kid dreaming about being an Astronaut. They think they are going to continue having beta orbiters forever and forever attention. These women just turned 31. I basically told them a lot of guys are checking out too but they seem to think they have infinite options.

I havent seen them in a couple years because I have been grinding money but their statuses on fb and insta get less and less attention. I warned them but they never learn or grow. Its really sad to see women this pathetic despite having a golden goose.

>>508586981 (OP)
Why is the framing by these subhumans always cunt-centric.

Women don't give up on marriage; men don't offer it to whores.
Women aren't celibate; men decided they aren't worth to be fucked.

WTF is this shit? Since when do cunts have agency?

Humandepopulationbros we fucking won

>>508586981 (OP)
>have unprotected sex with strangers for 10+ years
>where have all the good men gone?

>>508591187
>>508591092
The only solution to the female question is artificial wombs and sexbots. A male only society free of female influence.

Its weird how rome had the most oppressive stance on women, as far as i know. And mysteriously they were the most powerful civilization in their region for centuries. The only one more oppressive to women were the greeks, which the romans admired greatly. While all the conquered people were much more liberal towards their women, still brutal from our perspective, but much fairer to them in comparison to the other two. What a coincidence.

>>508586981 (OP)
Incels are winning. Keep up the great work! Another 50 years, and women will be completely demoralized! Incels, you can do it!

>>508592317
I'm not sure if women need to be excluded. With sexbots or simply just libido-killers (without side-effects), we can live side by side without much issue.

>>508592317
>A male only society free of female influence.
This is it. And the cunts will call us gay if we actually do it.

im team hapa futurism, sorry white race chads I kneel to you but I don't have to care about plastic straws and letting dogs shit in my apartment (umm he is a rescue pitbull with trauma okay?!?) in order to have sex anymore

>>508586981 (OP)

>>508592494
>we can live side by side without much issue.
Explain that one because womens basic survival depends on male labor. Women cant even feed themselves.

>>508592770
There will always be work for them, don't worry.

>>508592684
Aren't Americanized Asians just as bad?

>>508592494
Women will need to be excluded simply because their brains think and process differently then ours. The neurotoxin of estrogen makes them the weakest link in our societies. It's better to just eliminate the weak link.

Besides, if sexbots are better at being lovers and mothers, and artificial wombs mean men can have kids without women, what's the point of having human females outside of a couple in the natural science museum?

>>508586981 (OP)
K.

>>508590755
>I mean I wanted her at 21, not at 36 when gallons of booze, miles of cock and tonnes of drugs went through her
I was head over heels for this girl I met in college. Skinny redhead with enormous tit's. She's now a single mom and has put on 50 lbs at least. I saw her at a farmer's market and didn't recognize her till she tried to start a conversation.

>>508586981 (OP)
Sounds cool
Being the second gender to give up on marriage isnt really an own the way they seem to think it is, though.

>>508593036
Sexbots are pretty much fantasy anyway, and women are useful in many fields such as kindergartens, medicine, schooling, etc. Not all jobs are fit for men.

>>508586981 (OP)
Why is it ALWAYS someone else’s fault with women? “Um ackshully it’s because we’re SO SMART that the men don’t want to date us! They’re intimidated!”
Why can they never take accountability for the fact that their “sexual revolution” and being whores on social media for tens of likes is what are driving men away? It is literally all their fault for this and yet they STILL find a way to try and deflect the blame. Women are actually the fucking worst.

>>508590715
" women wont date me because i am just too good at makeup, better than women in fact, and better than them with children, so women are intimidated "

>>508593224
Sexbots are a more realistic option than women being held accountable by society. Besides, the tech will be here soon. I'd rather take my chances with that approach than to try and convince women to stop being whores.
>women are useful in many fields such as kindergartens, medicine, schooling, etc
Gynocentric propaganda. Men used to have a far greater role in all of those positions in the past. Women started taking over those fields because they were cheaper, not better.

>>508590264
I dont enjoy the suffering because I'd rather just be happy with someone who wants to raise a family together
But its definitely noticeable that some women are trying harder lately. I've noticed warmer behavior and kinder smiles myself even in very mundane situations.
Important to note, though, that being a dickhead to women who are trying to be different is one of the surest ways to draw them back to feminist bullshit. If they try and get shat on, why would they keep trying? I try to be extra nice to these to reinforce the behavior.

>>508592435
Nigga these cope articles by feminists are gonna skyrocket into suicides
>Women want (insert specific man)
>Women get rejected by Chad
>Women try to help each other cope by writing endless articles on how it's their superiority saar!
>Women thus stretch the divide by pretending they like things this way
>Women can't express any disagreement with the way they act for fear of being singled out by roasties and consensus cracked into oblivion
>The problem is now internalized, with all outside sources claiming they should be happy about this because "fuck men"
>By 2035 women begin committing mass suicide because the lies printed by feminists can no longer hold off the terrifying reality of their poor choices making them "concubine slaves to corporatism" without any emotional support or intimacy from the male population that nature designed them for
>No support from women because they are territorial and only false support from crab in the bucket roastie feminists determined to make their mistakes everyone elses.

Shits gonna be so cash because men can handle isolation, women cant

>>508593746
Men were nurses and kindergarten caretakers? Interesting. And no, you're not seeing competent sexbots any time soon. You don't understand just how limited technology is for that shit. Yeah, you'll get sexdolls with robotics, but not robowaifus.

>>508590492
Yes men had to work harder and had more responsibilities as the protector in a more dangerous world. This is why men were traditionally given privileges women were not and why women were expected to be obedient to them.

>>508593881
>Shits gonna be so cash because men can handle isolation
I'm not sure about that. Men commit more suicide. The reason behind that isn't clear, but seeing simps doing ungodly things for women, I'd wager that the average normaltron isn't cut out for MGTOW. You're just projecting, but you're an anon on 4chan so you're not representative of normaltrons.

>>508591213
>>508590492

would you genuinely want a world where men dont work and women do, where women own the wealth?
where men are by culture inside the house, protecting the family, as men are solitary territorial creatures,
with women having the personal power in the family and money?

>>508594265
>Men commit more suicide.
That's due to the method they chose. Women actually attempt suicide more than men. Women swallow pills, men swallow a bullet.

>>508594496
True, and women use more antidepressants so their lower suicide rate is artificial. Still, we start off outnumbering them (higher male births), but end up outnumbered as early as in the 40s age bracket.

>>508594479
Women already control spending.

>>508587035
>30
If only you knew how over it was

>>508594605
>end up outnumbered as early as in the 40s age bracket.
Late 40s is usually when the divorce comes

>>508594876
LMFAO
Simps reaping what they sowed.

>>508594265
>Men commit more suicide. The reason behind that isn't clear
It's very clear
Corporatism and societal expectations will drive anyone to suicide if that's what you revolve your life around.
Which is what women are being gaslit and tricked into doing by these articles, but within a decade they are going to experience the truth through the male perspective at the rate males are abandoning the dating pool.
MGTOW has clearly won and become low key mainstream for men, they are onto the rigged system and it's adherents globally, which is causing a lot to give up, but that's a good thing because so long as this continues to happen the interpersonal lives of foids is going to get worse and worse the more of them end up single and bitter(which will multiply the issue because if there is one thing millennials and boomers can't stand it's a bitter woman with resting bitch face)

>>508588457
Funny thing with the kalergi plan is, my crypto-jewish brother, basically no one race mixes. This is a massive founders effect. Have five white babies before 40 as a man, I don't care if you get divorce raped. If you do, impregnate other women. Your goal should be to have 10+ white children

>>508594145
Who do you think lifts and handles heavy patients? Male nurses.

>>508595111
>MGTOW has clearly won and become low key mainstream for men
The only men I know who are married are religious. I hear TFMs talking points coming from teens who are far too young to remember TFM.

>>508595111
>>508595346
I asked AI for stats and even in Europe, half of men under 30 are single. Marriage rates are definitely dropping hard.

>>508587035
Is she 30 or "30" though? Because based on those looks I would be less surprised if you told me she was 50

>>508594479
>would you genuinely want a world where men dont work and women do, where women own the wealth?
How the hell did you get that from what I wrote?

>>508594213
>This is why men were traditionally given privileges women were not
BS. Men carried the entire load and women got to parasite off men or men would be kicked out of society and left to die for being "weird". Being a slave is not a privilage. Every single aspect of marriage is a scam to enslave men.

>>508592317
This, so much this. It's the ultimate redpill that most men are unwilling to take.
I swear if such society ever pops up I'll abandon everything to gain citizenship and give my soul to make it the best country in the world. Fuck this bullshit we're forced to live.

>>508592870
Women dont work. They literally owe their lives to men.

>>508593769
>I dont enjoy the suffering because I'd rather just be happy with someone who wants to raise a family together
Disney fairy tale delusion. It never worked that way. Youve been propagandized to make you enjoy your own slavery. Men and women never work together. Men work and women parasite off our work, period.

>>508595706
I know there's many who really don't, but there are also those who do. Yes, our work is generally far more crucial, but there's still room for female wagies.

>>508586981 (OP)
They should lower their standards to a realistic level

>>508594479
Yes absolutely, assuming there was the social expectation for women to use their power responsibly.

>>508595510
Men did not carry the entire load, just the majority. Men were not slaves, they were paid with a wife, children, and the majority of power within the household. Seeing as these are the only things men really care about (that society can actually offer them) its a fair enough trade.

>>508595856
>I know there's many women who really don't, but there are also those who do
Nope. Post tits or gtfo

>>508596242
You're just irrationally bitter. A male equivalent of a feminist.

>>508586981 (OP)
marriage is a product of the income gap, when men do not outearn women by %50+ marriage dies as institution this is what the data shows localized, interpersonal and global

women can't handle it biological to be equal thus womenrights are over

>>508596188
>Men did not carry the entire load
Yes we do. If you stopped ALL women from "working" our total productivity would double. Women only get in the way of men trying to work.
> Men were not slaves, they were paid with a wife
Lmaoooooooo. Post tits or gtfo

>>508596463
In other words, it's socially acceptable prostitution.

>>508596323
You're a civic nationalist of the sexes lol

>>508596323
You cunts will always be easy to spot. Now you know the rules. No further discussion until you post tits + timestamp

>>508596512
Croatian nigger, please, read the definition of prostitution.

>>508596559
Its obviously a roastie
>b-b-but SOME women work, were not totally useless mkay?
>and if yoi disagree let me tell you what your emotional state is
Obviously posted by a cunt

>>508594496
Because women want to look nice at their funeral and men don't. The number 1 indicator for suicide risk amongst men is a lack of belonging and meaningful relationships.

>>508596733
>Its obviously a roastie
I'm not so confident on that, because tradcucks on that level of delusion do exist, and they are not few in number
They desperately try to give holes some utility so that they don't have to admit holes are just meat to be fucked and birth else they're useless, since that'd shatter his worldview, which is generally derived from abrahamism

>>508596559
>not wanting to genocide women makes me a moderate
LMFAO

>>508596576
Over for your brain if you think any woman could ever express half the shit I did in this thread.

>>508596674
>hurr durr muh definition
Dumbfuck.

>>508596512
Dating is just prostitution with extra steps and no guaranteed final product that a man pays for
"Dating" didn't exist until the (((sexual revolution))) of the 60s

Men used to Court women, show up asking her to the dance in front of her father, getting permission but also asking every single time they go out to lunch
The daughter was expected to only court men loyally, no parent tolerated their daughter letting new men come pick her up every other week
(((Dating))) Is a cultural trojan horse that allows women to act promiscuously and men are figuring this out at a rapid pace, this is why they are dropping out of the pool at an ever accelerating and increasing rate.

It's already over for women and feminisists, it's just gonna take a few years for it to become glaringly obvious to even the normies with their head in the sand.

Eventually strict theocratic societies will reclaim the social order, and men like me will travel town to town as an Inquisitor to root out feminist(witches) to burn or hang.

>>508586981 (OP)
Women who are dominant and don't want families are not reproducing. It's natural selection.

>>508593335
It's an attitude of constantly being too good for literally everything around them. Women deny in a way that shows it's so internalized in their conditioning that they cannot possibly understand that they're doing it. Princess syndrome has always been a thing but this is hyperbolic. It's observable in almost everything modern women do. Their hatred of men is also so internalized that they cant bring themselves to acknowledge it.

>>508588210
Uniquely retarded cope lol

Reminder men
I'm keeping my job
You're dying in Iran

>>508597879
Good. Total female employment! Total amerigolem death!

>>508586981 (OP)
>even though marriage only benefits women somehow they got turned away from it as well
Well good maybe jews will see they went too far and need to pull back so they can sell more diamonds.

>>508597879
>Guaranteed replies

Cultures that can't breed will be replaced by cultures that can.

>>508586981 (OP)
In the end, the system will correct itself. It’s up to you whether you’re going to be a man and slap sense into women or wait for someone else who will.

>>508587035
>charges for sex
>Suddenly her problems disappear
It's really that easy for modern women

>>508586981 (OP)
it is sad that our culture has become so obsessed with finding "the one" when, in reality, love is something that is built 100% of the time

>>508597612
He's technically right
Even Chad has a "one that got away"
Men are expected to Approach
Men are expected to Propose
When Men choose to do neither, women can't tie them down.
Men have always had the power
The only power women have is "duty to her husband"
They can choose to not exercise it, and die single and alone or eventually resented by her children for failing to provide them a stable two bio parent household.

>>508594479
We already live in that world, women make more than men.

>>508598182
Cultures that can't 1st world civ replacing others will return to 3rd world conditions

>>508596737
>The number 1 indicator for suicide risk amongst men is a lack of belonging and meaningful relationships.
With other men. The reason men commit suicide more is because they put all their social eggs in one basket which is their wife, and then they learn the hard way that women dont care about male suffering (not even your own wife or mother). Sometimes the redpill is too much to swallow all at once.

>>508591913
Why don't you do this to Africa and the Middle East?

>>508597184
If youre not a cunt then you are chatgpt>>508598621
>He's technically right
>Even Chad has a "one that got away"
>Men are expected to Approach
>Men are expected to Propose
>When Men choose to do neither, women can't tie them down.
>Men have always had the power
Women literally owe us their lives. They cant even feed themselves, let alone conttibute in any meaningful way. The best thing a woman can do is get the fuck out of the way when men are working.

>>508586981 (OP)
The collapsing marriage rate, as with all other consequences of the economic recession, have to be spun as the result of personal choice, never public policy.

>>508599805
>Sometimes the redpill is too much to swallow all at once
I went into a chrysalis of pure Hate in my outlook on the world for almost a year when it happened to me.
I burned bridges with every woman that knew me in the first month.
Needed to be done to reach Super Saiyan 1

>>508587035
>weren't as career-oriented as her
she wants her kids raped in daycare.
deserves not to breed.

>>508600333
>I burned bridges with every woman that knew me in the first month.
>Needed to be done
based
get their tentacles out of your life

>>508599805
>the redpill is too much to swallow all at once.
Swallow it like bitter medicine and get the shudder over with every time. No healing power in the sweet, you know?

>>508600333
Oh shit check those digits of truth

>>508600556
True but men are brainwashed from birth to be slaves for women so for some wheh the realization hits its just too much. Its tragic. Probably the most long running genocide in history is that of men dying due to female influence, either from competing unnessesarily with eachother or from suicide because being a slave is torture.

>>508600593
>>508600517

>>508586981 (OP)
>American Women
oh no anyway

>>508598275
>In the end, the system will correct itself
by becoming Haiti or some muslim shithole through demograpgic replacement.

>>508600819
It's fucking brutal out there, I agree. I've also noticed a distinct lack of fathers, both in my family and those of my friends' families, warning their sons SPECIFICALLY about how women are. Whether they dont know themselves or wont pass the knowledge on for some reason, thats extremely detrimental to young men- their own fathers reinforcing the simp shit.
Swallowing the medicine is a way of refining yourself, though. Burning away the bullshit in a crucible of truth. You can rebuild something better there, being a man concerned with truth and all.

>>508595115
>don't care if you get divorce raped.
Yeah well I don't care about what you think. Enjoy muh genetics in your cardboard box.

>>508601776
My father never gave me any good advice about women. Never once tried to help me find a girlfriend or take me to dances. Fathers are so henpecked and cucked by their wives they might as well be the second mother of the household.

>>508598275
>or wait for someone else who will.
And then the someone else will behead you for being a white man.

>>508601776
You're right. Rhis is necessary.

>>508602070
My super-oldschool grandma was the only one who gave me good advice and warned me about women, and even still she was a total parasite off my grandfather and was the master of the relationship. She was still a cunt who leeched off her husband and had female only get togethers with friends where they probably talked shit about men and plotted together. And they did this while the men were at work.
Those old Shows you how far we have fallen.

>>508602632
You know, looking back, it was my maternal grandmother who gave me the best advice about women, though I didnt understand it at the time. She also said nigger in public all the time even through the 2010's to her death.

>>508603121
Same. She let my grandpa be openly racist, but she would still scold him and reign him back in when it was too much to say in public. Even back then women were the gatekeepers of public speech and political correctness. And my grandfather was a total boomer hardass from the military, and yet his wife still controlled him as all wives do. Thats my ultimate point in all this, is that even the most masculine hardass killers are cucked and enslaved through marriage. The institution of marriage was NEVER good for men and I'm tired of people pretending it was. Its like being forced to raise a retarded child, and if you dont accept it with enthusiasm then you are hunted down and sometimes literally killed for being an outcast. For thousands of years society has existed to benefit only women and it needs to stop. Not even the Greeks or Muslims understand how bad it is.

>>508587035
>Who is 30
Looks like 50 and I'm not joking

>>508603717
Men:
>imagine what we could do if we worked together with our respective abilities
Women:
>lol no you have a micropenis for even asking. Want your mommy to do your dishes?

>>508589136
Currently going through this and it's fun to flirt with her and talk about a future but I know deep down it will not happen. I feel guilty leading her on but at the same time she quit me for another older man when we were younger. I brought this up to her and her response was something like, "I'm not putting much weight into what you said so I'm not offended and I understand how you think this" and it threw me off guard as if she already knew what she was doing/expecting and what I was thinking and how my defenses are up on high alert. I think I'll hit it and quit it but then there is the risk of a baby... well maybe not she is 35 after all

>>508604275
Thats why we need a male-only society like anons said earlier. The first thing women will do is introduce sex-related insults like homosexuality or penis size, because they are evil and they know they dont deserve anything that we give them, not even food or shelter.

>>508600097
guarantee i make more of my own food than you do nigger

>>508604687
Just came in from the garden to bump the thread, cunt.

>>508589136
Needs editing. Roasties are a bit more sublime and nuanced.
My personal efforts to be a bro and fight for men comes from my own experiences and many of them played out regardless of the different women I was with.

But ironically mens collective suffrage against women who think the societies they benefit from everyday exist with 60% of the men in misery is the biggest issue.

But at my core, I adore women and I know what they are capable of, and how much happier and fulfilled they would be returning to a time tested and long ago realized model of courtship and marriages of life long commitment and fantastic well adjusted children.

The social contract is a compromise, both sides resist their most selfish tendencies for the collective happiness and healthiness of high trust societies.

Right now 60% of men are seriously being denied the simplest of needs that they even participate in societies to begin with.

Right now if the roles were reversed, men would be able to rape any woman unprotected in public, abandon their wives and kids and get child support have free housing and government benefits for their harem, government funded hookers and government subsidies for OF’s accounts.

Women seem to think, sewers just work on their own, cars fix themselves, buildings and houses just spawn magically, roads and bridges build themselves.

Somebody out there has to marry and date the 60% of average men out there that do those things but it’s not their problem.

Women don’t even realize how toxic and incapable of being a partner they are once they can no longer pair bond or how much happier they would be in a pair bonded relationship where Two become one flesh.

They have no modern reference and say things like I don’t know anyone that stays in love forever.

Hello that is the problem.
Can someone post those older memes of roasties cutting themselves?
I’m fighting for women too.

>>508586981 (OP)
>Pay for a subscription to read this dumbass article
Nah

>>508604519
Sounds like you still care about her feelings too much for someone who treated you like that. Saying she knows and understands is cool but you have to think about the intentions of a girl who knows and understands this but still hit you up later on. By all means, have fun flirting and fucking, but do not trust her or act outside of your own interest for her.

>>508587035
I would turn her down because she isn't pretty enough
Nevermind competing with a woman with aspirations of leadership coaching

>>508587744
>The women who *do* marry and become mothers are generally quite productive, leading to a profound founders' effect over the next 30 years
lol
lmao even
The people having kids are mostly poors who just do shit without planning or thinking. And half of those marriage are gonna fail if the kids weren't already bastards to begin with.

why do women (not pic related) get so mad when they are told their expectations on men are unrealistic?

1/2

>>508587744
Don't know anon, a lot of women I jerked off too 10 years ago that aren't too different from me in age aren't starting families.

If model hot women are becoming cool wine aunts, the wrong genes are being filtered.

>>508605495
2/2

>>508604687
breast milk doesnt count as a food source, because its a byproduct of the food that men gathered for you. we can rause babies without breast milk in fact.

>>508596323
Looks like someone lost the argument

>>508605174
I know and maybe I'm a fag but I don't get joy out of hearing how her life went side ways and she still had depression and essentially job hops and maybe have to start couch surfing at 35. I just think how the hell did it get this bad and no wonder you're reaching out, you're desperate. I hate being made to feel this way, as if I'm some solution to her self made mess and not actually desired as a man.


But then i think it's nice to be a purpose to someone else but I know it's going to lead me into misery once the initial glow of purpose fades and the bank account drains.

>>508587144
>believed they were happier
>muh feelings
Cope

>>508587035
>leadership coaching
KEK. Also, that's a hard 30.

>>508589477
Yup, KEK

>>508586981 (OP)
Why would men protect and make a secure society for such woman?

>>508588210
This. Saying "women give up on marriage" is like saying "men give up on sex". It sounds as ridiculous as saying women are throwing themselves at men, begging them to fuck them and men collectively are saying "nah, I don't WANT sex".

>>508589136
Same experience here, met after years, asked the classical beta bux questions. Dismissed her, now another 5 years later she's a single mom. At least the kid is white.

>>508605495
>>508605631
Even other women are getting tired of listening to these failed whores

>>508586981 (OP)
ah we progressed to its good and we did it (first) stage of cope.

>>508605366
This. Idiocracy spelled it out. Smart people want kids too but raising them happy in this world is unviable. 7/10 chance they'll go from middle class to dreg of society as soon as one of their peers or dates gets them into drugs and alcohol.

You'd be surprised how many homeless drug addicts come from good families that tried their best.

>>508604519
>>508605890
She wants a baby and will trick you into providing for the next 18 years. Run away.

>>508586981 (OP)
How can a regular man compete when women can post their 5/10 bodies on twitter and get over 15k likes? How is one man suppose to compete with 10/10 chads that give these 5/10 a drop of attention? How can one man compete with an army of simps who kneel to anything with a warm hole?

>>508587035
>turned off by her ambition
In manspeak, aka logic, this means that the men she wanted actually wanted a wife in return. The only type of men she would want are older than her, richer than her, more masculine, and confident. When they're looking for a woman, they want a wife. They want someone that's going to handle the domestic issues while he handles everything else external. He doesn't care about her money because he makes enough for the both of them AND kids. And she wouldn't share her money with him anyway so what difference does it make? He's turned off by her ambition because her ambition does absolutely nothing to benefit him or a potential family. It's completely self serving for her and her alone. Why would a successful man want this?
>or weren't career oriented enough for her
I.E. broke men. This one's simple, she's priced herself out of 90% of men. To """qualify""" to be with her, you have to make X amount. And that's ONLY her financial standard. That's not taking looks, personality, height, age, or ANY other metric into account. She'll feel like she's "dating down" if she gets with a man at or below her level.
Notice how it's always shaming language, women can do no wrong. She was perfect in every single conceivable way and it's men either scared of her or not good enough for her, nothing else. Women bitching about not being able to find a man to marry are the functional equivalent of bitter virgins calling women whores for not fucking them. Both equally pathetic. I'm not even gonna start on her looking for a man past 30.

>>508588828
this, youre not yourself on these jewish poisons
they put you into fake esctasy state where everything is fine but its actuatlly not

>>508605495
>>508605631
>jeeta telling women the sugarcoated truth
Perhaps ive been too hard on your country, Indians. If its jeetas who save White men from feminism somehow, that'd be fucking wild.

>>508605890
Bro, just quit talking to her. It reminds me of my ex. She kept trying to get me back and telling me how great i was and trashing my new wife saying "maybe she can give you children " and saying she hopes my wife has a miscarriage. She killed herself last xmas eve probably I'm assuming thinking about my new family and her not having one. Just avoid the drama, she made her choice. Don't gloat over or anything like that, they can become dangerous.

>>508586981 (OP)
They arent giving up shit lol, no one wants to marry them. Classic femoid cope "I dont wanna marry!", bitch no one asked hahahahaahha

>>508586981 (OP)
Women find salvation through child bearing. No wonder this satanic world wants them single and childless.

>>508587258
*roastbeef

>>508590492
Yes but because men had this responsibility, it came with a corresponding authority. Men should work hard in dangerous jobs. Men should provide for their families. And because they should be responsible for their well being, they should have authority over them. This is a reasonable arrangement that's been tossed to the side. Society and women in general expect men to be responsible for providing and protecting, yet expect equal levels of authority. That disconnect is where we're seeing issues. These women won't be wives because they don't know what a wife is. They call themselves "partners" because they think a relationship between a man and a woman is equal in every way (every way she WANTS it to be, mind you).

>>508586981 (OP)

>embrace feminism and becomes completely undesirable.
>find yourself alone
>cope

>>508607235
I'm starting to believe that it's american women the ones that have unrealistic expectations out of men. Women from other countries tend to value men more as partners and companionship.
American women seem to treat mean and relationships as an accessory they can use and throw away whenever they see fit.

>>508606279
>It sounds as ridiculous as saying women are throwing themselves at men, begging them to fuck them and men collectively are saying "nah, I don't WANT sex".
Thats exactly whats happening though. You are still operating from the female matrix which says the only thing men care about is sex, beer and football.

>>508607071
I think you hit the nail on the head with
>She'll feel like she's "dating down" if she gets with a man at or below her level.
It's not even necessarily that their standards are too high in general (though they typically are these days), but that they overestimate themselves so much that their own match is beneath them. A lot of the ones who go on about "low value" men aren't even "high value" by their own standards.

>>508587035

She could at least get some bangs to cover the five head. And ya that's a rough 30.

>>508605890
You sound desperate and lonely. This is not a personal attack, I'm expressing genuine concern. You think you have the upper hand, and you do, but your lack of finesse will allow her to play you like a fiddle, while allowing you to maintain the illusion of control at all times. Be careful.

>>508607545
>Yes but because men had this responsibility, it came with a corresponding authority. Men should work hard in dangerous jobs. Men should provide for their families. And because they should be responsible for their well being, they should have authority over them. This is a reasonable arrangement that's been tossed to the side
\thread
Like I said not even the Greeks or the Muslims are hard enough on women. Ive done my work, see you around Brother.

>>508597612
Seethe roastie

>>508586981 (OP)
oh no that sucks, they cant find their rich yacht chad, thats so sads.

>>508607754
>You sound desperate and lonely. This is not a personal attack
Post tits or gtfo

>>508593335
Because women were told "do this and you'll be desirable". It's literally no different than guys bitching at not getting laid even though "they're nice guys". The only difference is this mindset is validated because women need to be validated whereas men get their shit pushed in if they're retards.

>>508607620
Yeah. Nice insight, unironically.

>>508607872
>Because women were told
No ome tricked women into acting like women. Youre just trying to deflect blame.

>>508606787
She's 35 that's almost impossible
>>508607295
I know. Shit sucks I've been having this on my mind since two women reached out to me last year whom I haven't spoken to in YEARS. It's funny because another new one just replied to a social media post of mine and all we did was hookup but then she had a kid. Shes probably divorced now. I'm over it all

>>508596499
But he's right. A damn near guarantee to breed was preferable to pre-civilization, which was fight the local males and take their women. It's either men work a job and get rewarded with 1 woman and 1 family, or they risk everything in nature and more than likely die to get absolutely nothing and their progeny ends. Civilization was built off monogamy, and monogamy gave the 80% of men that would get nothing in the wild a damn near guarantee if they followed the rules of society.

>>508608050
Why do you want a woman who can't even give you children?

>>508608283
>Civilization was built off monogamy,
Tell that to the muslims and chinese.

>>508608320
I don't want children I'm too selfish to be a good father and in recognizing that i don't want that responsibility

>>508588055
Its this sentiment that men share thats the exact reason no one wants to date them. Lol
Imagine, sucking so much ass that you cannot attract or maintain a relationship.

I'm a fit autist making 58k a year and I'm married to a QT 93lb Iranian woman who is stuck to me like glue.

The average dude talks about bringing back the 1950s as a cope for being a suck ass human being.

>>508608481
Then why do you even want a relationship?

>>508608494
>Iranian woman
In other words you racemixed.

>>508600042
Because they're all cucks who want a nigger son like Mike Johnson. Gates enjoys nigger cock so much his entire fortunes going to them instead of his children.

lol lmao

>>508608720
Or, even more specifically, he's not even talking about American women. The ones who are generally the topic of this thread. It's like expats saying
>skill issue i actually started a family somewhere else instead

>>508587035
> when the only thing you have to offer in a relationship is your body, people only use you for your body until they get bored and then move on to the next girl
What a shock

>>508605495
Women collectively have "Soulmate Syndrome". They truly believe that "their man" is out there. A man designed specifically for them. A man DESTINED for them. A perfect man for them.
This is self destructive because if you legitimately believe someone is there waiting for you, why would you put in any effort? This is pre destined. Why should I know what he wants? Care what he wants? Work out to keep up my figure? Learn to cook? Be a disciplined woman? My man is out there for me, waiting for me, and he'll accept me exactly as I am no matter what I do. And if he doesn't? Well, he obviously wasn't my soulmate then. Men don't like promiscuous women? MY man won't care ;)

>>508608494
fuck you doing here then shithead

>>508608050
Do not do it bro. You'll fuck yourself. She is dead to you, she died way back when she chose someone else. That person you liked is gone, she is now different in every possible way. No matter what she says or lies, that's NOT the girl you liked neither mentally nor emotionally and specially not physicially. You as a man, specially if older now have value. She had her value and threw it away, dont do the same thing. She is a loser now, a nobody, you deserve a high value woman as a valuable man simple as.

>>508608720
What logical person actually cares about race?
But yeah, I have sex with a qt Aryran.

>>508608859
I've dated American women, for years on end. They are alright just our ambitions ended up diverging.

>>508587035
>richer than me
>>intimidated by my ambition
>poorer than me
>>not career-oriented enough
At least she had her fair share of Chad dick in her 20s

>>508609024
I'm here because I empathize with the sentiment and I care enough about my fellow man to try to get them out of cycles of their own destruction

>>508589686
It's attributed that women are the gatekeepers of sex unless you live in a 3rd world shithole where you can rape women without fear of repercussions, which in that case you can have sex whenever you want.
So women are gatekeepers of sex only because in most civilized countries there are risks and punishments for taking what you want by force.
But ironically, there will always be whores and roasties spreading their legs out there so women in fact aren't gatekeepers of anything lmao.

>>508586981 (OP)
NOONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE OPINIONS OF LOW VALUE FEMALES!
The best women are married and popping out kids by 20. These old hags are wasted goods.

>>508609077
>our ambitions ended up diverging
Interesting way to sugarcoat the fact that the American women were not marriage material for you. Exactly the point of this thread kek

>>508609286
/thread

>>508608003
There's been generational conspiracies to convince women of certain things. They're not absolved of responsibility for falling for Jewish trickery, but to act like every single media conglomerate on the planet for the last 50 years hasn't tried their hardest to make women career skanks is dishonest.

>>508609311
Plenty of immigrant women anon, it really doesn't matter.

>>508587035
>10,000 hours
With a face like that, it was more like 10,000 cocks.
Slutface is real.

>>508609077
>What logical person actually cares about race?
You will be more genetically similar to other white americans than your child. Your wife will be mote genetically similar to random iranians than to her own child.
It will be more similar to ashkenazi jews.
>a qt Aryran
hahaha
>>What logical person actually cares about race?
This is what you are advocating for>>508601703

>>508586981 (OP)
>have been made more complicated by a growing divide in education and career prospects between men and women
If women want to do the independent bossgirl CEO breadwinner thing then they need to get over requiring a partner that makes more money than them and has a prestigious career shit.
But they won't. It's built into them at the most basic level. Like wanting a man taller than her and then wearing heels so that all men appear shorter so she feels worse about them.

>>508609447
I dont necessarily disagree with that at all. I really do hope you two are happy together. Good women are a needle in a million haystacks so if you have one around. Id take one of any color at this point.

>>508608462
Polygamy was limited to the few that could sustain it. For the average man, he had 1 wife and 1 family. Local dirt gamers and even higher class artisans didn't have multiple wives. Polygamy was limited to the top percentage of men, and not all of them engaged in it.

>>508608632
Companionship would be nice and getting old together sounds pleasant. However my career has me traveling the world for months on end frequently so a healthy relationship isn't feasible. Most guys here are divorced at least once and since I'm single with no kids I was thinking of going the "gf in every corner of the world" type of thing rather than a millennial flunky stateside
>>508609063
Thanks I needed to hear this

>>508587035
Total roastoid death

>>508608494
You are the real chad

>>508608494
Foid detected

>>508586981 (OP)
These are the hags telling me I can’t date an Asian Child

>>508589136
based and roastiepilled

Lower your standards or die alone.
Nothing else has to be said.

WMAF is the future

>>508586981 (OP)
>fat liberal catwomen that refuse to commit and just want someone to support them refuse to marry and become spinsters.

>actual feminine women who live as God intended get married and have a ton of kids with conservative men.

This is a W. Degenerates are self-selecting out of the gene pool.

>>508609475
>This is what you are advocating for

I get it, but nope. I'm black, I have a degree in HVAC, workin on welding, maybe plumbing. My wifes a tech women. I'm not driven by culture I'm driven by results. Mate what you're looking at isn't even a culture thing, poor people tend to either be stupid, or nihilistic resulting in destructive behavior.

And theres alot of poor people.

>>508608494
>The average dude talks about bringing back the 1950s as a cope for being a suck ass human being
Guess what? According to women, 80% of men are "suck ass" unattractive men. If your solution is "lol 80% of men don't breed then" then don't be surprised when society collapses around you. Society exists because undesirable men have a reason to work and follow the rules. Their reason was a family. Now that reason is eroding away. "Survival of the fittest" is not "I'm a pretty boy and make a woman's pussy tingle", it's "I'm going to fucking kill you and take your woman for myself. kill me and you can keep her". We realized civilization can't exist with this as our default setting, so we enforced monogamy and pretty much forced women to be with men they wouldn't have chosen on their own.

>>508590683
Easily fixed after the divorce panel.
>Cut off all contact with ex-wife and kids who she will poison against you anyways and find a trad latina to make ten babies with

>>508609647
>>508609743
We're all gonna make it brahs

>>508588828
This. At least in part.

I was on SSRI's for a bit after my first deployment. It just made me an emotionless husk. I wasn't depressed or sad with the shit i saw or the friends i lost, because i just didnt feel ANYTHING.

Getting off that poison made me actually process the shit i dealt with instead of masking it, but now i love my wife and i can smile when i see my kids. Humans are meant to feel.

The perfect shabbos goyim is a woman loaded up on SSRI's and Birth Control who will never marry or be a mom, and who will spend her entire life consuming content and product, while endlessly slaving away in corporate HR make-work jobs that just serve the rootless class.

>ask an honest man who's a 4/10 what kind of woman he deserves and he'll say 4
>ask an honest women who's a 4/10 what kind of man she deserves, she'll say "surely at least a 6. Probably a 7 because of my personality"

>>508589136
The only girl I ever loved died of bulimia because she didn't like me and dated some other redneck who called her fat all the time. After that, I've been numb. I literally have nothing in common with women and it doesn't feel like it's worth the effort.

>>508586981 (OP)
>10 years of "men are giving up on dating"
>N-no, women are giving up on marriage!
ok sure

>>508610118
troll detected

>>508610211
You could just become a desirable man.
Since the dawn of human history beautiful women have dated funny looking men.

I also can promise you that when all the hardwork pays off that you think you need to do to become a desirable man? Nothing hits as good as it.

>>508610456
Why would I openly state I only make 58k if I was trolling?

>>508592317
They'd be far more than sexbots in the future. They'll need to be developed to do more than that to be a viable alternative.

>>508586981 (OP)
>Women are chosing to be single
Utterly, utterly false.
Women control access to sex.
Men control access to relationships.
It's men that are giving up on women.

>>508610516
>Ra Ra Rasputin lover the Russian peen
Anyways, agreed,
Literally.
Just be attractive.
>B-but what does that mean!?
Be attractive.

>>508610673
The Perfidious Jew is behind this, undoubtably.

>>508608050
>She's 35 that's almost impossible

My mom had me at 37, she wants your money

>>508610631
I make 62k, but that's in monopoly money compared to yours.

>>508586981 (OP)
>where are all the 10/10 billionaire chads that I deserve?

>>508610673
Women will not give the time of day to 85% of men, and it is delusional and pointless to deny this. The problem is this trend has been going on for 10+ years now due to access to social media and dating apps. So now the decline of marriage is all but assured, as you've deleted an entire generation from access to either.

>>508610516
>everyone can be the top 20%
are you a woman?

>>508610516
That's an individual solution for an individual problem. An individual can always improve, but average men will always be average, and averages will always exist. The problem is that average is seen an unacceptable. Most people are average, it's what the word means. To say that average is so bad that you shouldn't breed is a societal issue that goes beyond "just be better". If all men worked their asses off and "were better", it just raises the average.

>>508609698
You're welcome, go and grab the world by the balls bro.

>>508592317
no retard
prostitution and transactional relationships
women will be bought and sold as commodities
i dont understand why you retards dont get this
>>508592494
>libido-killers
dude
thats an anti androgen
you know whats a libido killer? estrogen
kys

>>508610847
>Only the top 20% of guys get chicks

My brother in christ go outside, fuck the graphs and go outside.

>>508586981 (OP)
>a growing divide in education and career prospects between men and women
Funny how that wasn't a problem for men before. Men never cared. But women do.

>>508610898
Since the dawn of time pretty women have dated funny looking guys.

But lets play devils advocate

>Average person in the US is obese and addicted to social media/pornography
>Average male is a neckbeard

Looks like basic fitness already puts you above average
A hobby? Far above average.

>>508609193
You're here because the status quo is working for you (so far) and you want to shit on those getting screwed over by it.

>>508587035
I have two cousins who were both nurses and one of them married an electrician who honestly was more handsome than she was pretty. They're happily married, have a house, and have two children.

The other cousin hated her sister for "settling" down and compromising because she thought she deserved a doctor who is just better than her in every way.

She wanted a man who was a doctor and taller, richer, and better looking than the average guy. When I asked her what she has to offer to such a guy like that who is superior in every way, while she was just average, she just look at me with contempt.

She's still single, in her late 30s, but still chasing after men who are way above her league. I just don't get women who are offended when you tell them they're average, but for some reason they think they deserve more and should always go above their league.

This woman reminds me of my single cousin. She's average, at best, yet she expects a man way more educated, wealthier, and more attractive than her. She's going above her league and she just can't acknowledge the reality that she's isn't that valuable. It's some guy simping for OF girl and thinking he's going to be the one that gets to marry her.

I'm not trying to insult her, hate, or discourage her, but that wealthy top 1% man she's chasing isn't going to go after her because she isn't the top 1% of women. She's average. She would be far more happier settling down on her range.

she's in her 30s, most men aren't going to commit to that age where having children for women becomes a problem in their 30s.

>>508586981 (OP)
After all the white men OD'd in clown world a decade ago... This thread is gay, israeli, and has 1 post, but women almost entirely lack empathy in America. They are profoundly retarded. There's little that can be done, which is the less obvious and much more frightening part. We are Mr. Bones' Wild Ride to the end, best believe it sailor, you're on The Flying Dutchman.

>>508610516
>just become a desirable man.
>fuck the graphs (translation: fuck reality) and go outside (translation: YOLO against bad odds)
>is a christcuck
Christcuckery and their slaves are everything that is wrong with western society

>>508611222
>You're here because the status quo is working for you (so far) and you want to shit on those getting screwed over by it.

But I'm a loser that did it anyways, why can't you? Whys everything gotta be survivorship bias? Lol

Lift yourself up man, cuz sitting here brewing this hatred of women isn't going to do it for you.

And I say that coming from said position.

Desirable men can date whoever they want. If you’re not desirable you’ll have to stick to icky used grown women (15-30) with no boobies who are fat, too muscular, or bony. Men who are confined by other’s opinions are homosexuals (facts). Either way East-Asian women are higher quality due to Judeo values of the west. Don’t listen to the opinions of a cuck struggling with women in his age group lmao. If you’re a younger male you can just siphon desperate hag money, kek.

On Ra

>>508610516
Since the dawn of time rats have breed like crazy.
Put them in a particular setting and suddenly they'll become all fucked up behaviorally and despite having safety and endless food things will not go well.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

It doesn't matter what has happened since the dawn of human history. Or rat history. Or whatever. Our current environment is not healthy for us and things are not going well.
Ugg the caveman did not have to deal with social media. Everyone in a tribe of 200 knows everyone else. Today you can just lie about everything and treat people like shit and not get exiled to die. You can also do critical work necessary for our society to function which should be respected, only no one will know or care or appreciate any of it.

>>508611401
>is a christcuck
I'm agnostic
>Graphs are now reality

You do you friend, either way I wish you the best.

>>508611606
>It doesn't matter what has happened since the dawn of human history. Or rat history. Or whatever. Our current environment is not healthy for us and things are not going well.

It sounds like its quite easy to be an above average man with the bar set so low then.

Oh look another Femcel thread, and no, we won't be unvirgining ourselves to you any time soon.
This place is infested with women pretending to be /pol/ users because they know this is the only place where the marriage material men congregate.

Begone whores, begone from the house of god.

>>508611784
Kek this
Everyone who isnt me and this guy is just a woman LARPing for our attention

>>508607234
Lmfao youve never spoken to a woman in youre life. I can garuntee you birthcontrol isnt putting women in an ecstasy state

>>508590700
My grandmother was born in the Italian country side. This woman was as strong as an ox with forearms like Popeye. she was the sweetest kindest soul in the world who wanted nothing but to help provide for her kids and grandkids. Never a word of protest, never raised her voice. Woman used to have actual strength... physical and mental, now they have nothing but big mouths. They all work in office buildings and complain the air-conditioned room is patriarchal. These dumb cunts dont realize how easy life is.

>>508597612
Who buys the ring? Who sits on one knee? Who asks the parents for permission? Who gets the dowry?

>>508586981 (OP)
>80% of all divorces are initiated by women
>In 9 out of 10 cases, courts side with the woman
>automatic guardian status so no kids for you
>50% half of everything bcs fuck you thats why
>98 of the top 100 richest women got their wealth from divorce
>Only 28% of marriages last more than 5 years
>Men are starting to realize that only one side benefits from breaking the “contract”
>Incel and simp pandemic
>20+ body count by age 25
>whoreflation

Oh jeez… where have all the good men gone?

>>508611772
It sounds like you didn't understand my post. This has nothing to do with where the bar is set. I'm telling you that looking at human behaviour from years ago is no more applicable to today than comparing rat behaviour in the wild to rat behaviour in one of Calhoun's experiments.
Things are extremely fucked up out there. And while I'm a fucking wierdo who found a girl, unlike you I understand a good portion of that is just dumb luck. We call it "getting lucky" for a reason. Yeah, "hard work" can be important, but you also need to be in the right place at the right time and not be too ugly.
It is demonstrably a fucking disaster out there. Birth rates have basically collapsed. Telling some guy to "just be more attractive bro" is not going to solve this.

>>508597430
I noticed this internalized hatred towards men when I came back to college after ten years (trying to get a second diploma). Women flat out assume you are evil to the core. A monster who only wants to rape them. They look at you with this disdain, like you were the one who ruined their lives. It wasn't like this before. Women actually enjoyed men's company. Now they can't stand it.

>>508606312
>classical beta bux questions
What are these questions

>>508611939
The worst part is that they have a virgin fetish, that is the real reason they bring it up constantly, the girl that used to bully me in school was a couple years older than me and constantly told me i was a virgin until we met in a party and she asked if i would let her solve "my problem"

That is the real truth of the matter, they shame you for being a virgin because they want you to give it to them so they have to convince you it doesn't matter first.

All women are fetishists of the worst order, they spend literal hours and hours on end gooning to the thought of finding themselves their untouched virgin soulmate who was meant for them all along.

ALL OF THEM, EVEN THE WHORES DO THIS.

The worst part of women is that the truth is that only a small fraction of them actually unvirgin men, in my school the same 3-4 girls were responsible for taking the virginities of over 80% of the school boys. I know this because i saw it happen, the "normal' boring girls get NOTHING, maybe Stacy's scraps at best, but usually nothing at all.

The average woman is an incel that claims to have had sex to cope with the fact that no one has ever chosen her. They are unironic schizos that watched stacy take the guy they liked and bone him while they could do nothing but sit in a corner and sulk

Women are spineless losers and when you engage with them you should always keep this in mind.

You can thank me later

>>508587035
10,000 cock stare, everytime

>>508592317
>A male only society free of female influence.
Hoe would it be?

>>508612603
Okay im gonna break irony here and mention that when I was a sophomore in high school I was still a virgin. These two girls who sat by me in my geometry class asked me about it and when I told the truth, just kept bringing it up for days asking whywhywhywhy? I was an insecure teenager so I just said I wasn't into having someone touch me that much. It escalated until one day one of the girls started offering to give me a blowjob without talking or touching me in any other way, at which point the teacher stepped in as thot patrol. Blowjob girl was gross but im unironically engaged to the other one.

>>508609193
You just came here to lie and shame actual men. Fuck out of here shitskin.

>>508611401
>It's Christianity
>not Jewry

okay jew

>>508611784
Truth

>>508597879

>>508605631
>prioritize financial compatibily
Bitch still is a materialistic whore who only cares about what a man can give her, and not the man himself.

>>508612475
Questions to fish out your financial status in a roundabout way to avoid suspicion (lol). Can be as retarded as asking what kind of car you drive, if you have a 5090.

>>508613353
It was always this way, they can never admit to what they truly want because they fear you will then force them to negotiate for it if they did, that is why women never tell you straight up what they want, they always try to get the better negotiating position over you, women literally sabotage themselves out of a virgin husband and lifelong romance and marriage because they are too busy playing insane mind games with themselves and the local Stacy that gets all of the boy's attention and love.

This was always true and will always be true, do you think any normal woman wants their husband to be a simp for another woman? Fuck no, they fucking hate Stacy with every single fiber of their being but they will never openly tell you.

>>508608283
>But he's right
>he's
>wall of cope ensues
Nice try cunt

>>508605495
>>508605631
this jeeta fucking redeemed

>>508609409
>There's been generational conspiracies to convince women of certain things
The opposite is true. There are generational conspiracies run by women to convince men of certain things, such as the lie that men owe women anything at all.

>>508590096
>Women litetally owe their lives to men, theyd starve without us.
Unless the civilizational collapse happens (hint: Chuddha), they'll be fine as government takes from the pockets of men to give women to buy shitty fast food.
>Men provide the money and the food
Yes but not in a direct provider role which cucks men from seeing their side of the bargain upheld.

>>508586981 (OP)
Dating was the begining of the end for marriage. It is not our custom to date.

Any girl who has dated has been ruined for marriage by degenerate males before she met met you. Relationships between men and women began to degrade when dating was practiced.

>>508614645
Both are true, but all conspiracies are run by women.
Men don't even play on the same field as the deranged schizoid women. I can't really explain to you because we are both men and i should have to show you for you to understand but everything social, all of it is run by women.
Men kind of just bumble around the social game and most commonly get used by Stacy because she is the confident and pretty one that knows how to talk to men, 80% of women are losers that can't figure out how to get a husband, a relationship and much less a stable life.

>>508588210
Women have all the power in sex and relationships. Stop the cope

>>508614010
The jeet is the embodiment of capitalismo. Go to /biz/ and see the threads there 24/7 about financial success. It's all about money money and of course biz is filled with rich crypto pajeets.

>>508586981 (OP)
>American women give up on marriage
They really only mean white women who've lost their pair bonding ability from taking too many nigger dicks like vast majority of white women have. I think that is another reason burrito rolling and rice mixing are both sharply on the rise. For to date a white woman is now saw a being a cuck or beta in any social setting I've noticed.

Alao, ill say that feminism was alwaya gling to be a disaster, it was planned to be.

If women aren't dependant on men for survival they have no reason to be appealing to men and if living becomes too comfortable for people, there's not going to be much procreating.

>>508595572
This
I would be willing to work 70 hours a week for mr Shekelberg if I could come home to a robowaifu.

>>508612208
Yeah well this is what happens when you remove the divine part of marriage and you reduce it to a human contract.

>>508615157
This. Jeets are soulless. They swallowed up hussle culture hook line and sinker after the White goyim rejected people like Tate.

>Just get a Bugatti Saar

>>508587035
Imagine doing 10,000 hours of anything and come out of it self righteously saying
>I learned nothing

>>508592680
but they'd die out because they aren't willing to create their own society.

>>508613735
Take note how women always like to talk about themselves and we have had an influx of endless "women" posts for a while now.

I cannot be the attractive man that women are into. I will never be in a relationship.
Thats ok, there are many other beautiful aspects of life for me to experience.
I wish the women luck

>>508588457
>Glocktavius Jr
jej

>>508605631
What the hell kind of "adjustment" is that? She still sees marriage as a transaction; she's just changing the currency in which she expects to be compensated.

They truly have lost the plot.

>>508605495
>>508605631
>focus on financial compatibility
All women are gold diggers

>>508610516
>Since the dawn of human history beautiful women have dated funny looking men
Dating didn't exist before the 20th century.

>>508610737
>My mom had me at 37
r u ok, are you normal? or you have some kind of autism?

>>508614962
>Both are true
No. Women control political correctness from the ground level up through our schools and government and therefore the media. Women are in control.

>>508589136
Girl who dumped me in high school and strung me along through my 20s finally came back into my life at age 32. She seems genuine, says letting me go was the biggest mistake we've ever made, we have good sex and she wants to get married. I believe she's sincere.

But I cannot get over feeling like I'm a cuck and her fallback option. What do I do? Being with her was all I ever wanted but I'm miserable in happiness

>>508586981 (OP)
They're starting project bluebeam, whatever you do, do not board the ships, frens.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uY_xgaPRYxA

>>508617669
>Women are in control.
Correct but your statement should read
>Stacies are in control.
Again, the average woman is a loser that can't get a husband or a relationship, you really think people like that can build a conspiracy? I'll tell you right now, the answer is no.

>>508586981 (OP)

>>508586981 (OP)
>men don't want to marry them
>"they gave up"
EMPOWERING

>>508617656
I think I have some mild form of autism, but it's barely there. Don't have the major stuff. I do hate crowded places and can't read social cues well. Basically you wouldn't be able to tell, but I can feel it.

>>508590492
Yes but they did generally help raise his offspring kept the house clean and cooked three things modern women would refuse to do.

>>508617802
>>Women are in control.
>Correct but your statement should read
Nice try cunt. My statement was correct so leave it be, any attempt by you to change it is an attempt to alter the message

>>508618102
Shut the fuck up you limp dicked slim wristed anus licking cock sucking faggot, pic rel is me. Raise your voice at me again and i will break you.

>>508618228
>female hand pose

>>508618301
silence, bitch

>>508618377
Note how the spambots are always random non-English speaking EU flags. Obvious VPN bots.

>>508588828
It's not, because the same thing is happening in a vast array of countries where birth control and SSRIs are much less common or almost entirely absent. America, Japan, India, Poland, Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Turkey, Greece, Russia, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, South Korea, Iran, Cuba, Georgia, Vietnam and Azerbaijian are vastly different culturally, economically and medically, yet marriage and birth rates have crashed in all of them.

There's something much larger going on than just, SSRIs and birth control. The entirety of modern advanced industrial society, when it is present in any form, degrades the ability of most human beings to successfully mate. It's why every initiative to fix this problem has failed. The poorest countries with the lowest adoption of modernity (Subsaharan Africa, Central Asia) and those with the most fundamentalist religious views are the only ones to actually persist in this environment.

>>508618492
Note how the worst posters are from the country that fucks dogs, honestly, i wish your entire country would be permanently banned from the internet, i am tired of having to read dog fuckers posts.

>>508604629
Yeah they don't like rejection, even the land whales. Next up you see them with a total retard / simp, and it makes me think 'surely I'm not on that level?'

>>508617709
That's the classic, there's multiple anons that have experienced the exact same modus operandi in this thread. You're the safe backup plan now that she has had her fun. Look forward to a blowjob once a year in the future if you stay and then get divorce raped. Have all the sex you wan't with her using protection (and dump the used condoms in the toilet) to get it out of your system and then dump her.

It is pretty shrimple.

No guy wants to be the gentleman, the caregiver, the one to remember a sister in laws birthday, the one who makes more money, the one who needs to be understanding of a random bitchy PMS comment.....

When the same woman has drank cum in the backseat of a guy she has known for less than 24 hours.

We cannot undo the industrial revolution and there is scant chance of undoing the "sexual revolution."
You must keep in mind that the first sexual revolution was that of civilization and monogamy. I don't want to live in Afghanistan and I doubt anyone here does. I am simply looking for a woman who understands how much I will sacrifice for her and vice versa. Why can't we be reasonable?

>>508618678
Keep going. Memes are made fron cope like yours.

>>508619293
Looks like i've struck a nerve.
Mald, seethe, cope, cry, dilate, etc.

>>508619396
>no u