Like I’m taking deep philosophical divides on topics underlying culture and politics. For instance woke family members who promote ideas that are toxic to the whole concept of family and community itself yet they push these with such moral righteousness.

Don't get heated, just laugh. If they ask what you think is funny, laughingly tell them why what they're saying is either absurd or hypocritical.

Be specific?

If i had family pushing pro trans shit, and i had kids, they would NEVER EVER be allowed to see them.

>>508659064
Well let’s say you have a parent who is totally woke and will basically call you “racist” for expressing the desire for a culturally homogeneous stable society? Or an extended family member who preaches their morality and pro lgbt stuff from a position of moral superiority constantly .

I convince them to believe what I do, a little bit at a time.
I don't know what things people in leafistan value but I never got the impression philosophy was one of them. I say this not only to insult your gay country but also because some of the people with whom I've had the toughest political discussions to reconcile were those who did not think particularly deeply about many of the causes in difference of opinion, instead leaning heavily into strong emotion or strong boomer indifference (any opinion is the wrong one). Convincing someone they have been deceived into being angry about the wrong root cause is easier that trying to convince someone to care about something.
If they seem to have different morals, it's possible they just don't think very hard about anything and get wound up by jew media. If they have an actual opposing philosophical alignment like the Borg you're in for a ride, but it's not common. The place where they might intersect is preaching something out of guilt, which can be a huge mess and not easy for beginners to deal with.
Assuming it is the former, you simply need to identify what things they value and frame your beliefs in a way which support those values. Then use verifiable information, logic, and empathy to support your alternative ideas. This requires a calm discussion, which means you would want to learn conversational techniques which make them believe you are a reasonable person that talking to them rather than a shitter starting an argument. Just remember for your own reference that TV politics aren't real and woke isn't a very specific category.

>>508657671 (OP)
You must stand strong and stick to your principles.
Don't punish or reject them as people. Love your family, but be clear that you find the woke bullshit abhorrent and you won't allow it around yourself or those you care about.

>>508659222
Muh racism is often the first instinct of emotional jew media addicts. I would lean toward trying to soft-decouple race from culture/nationality/religion, or at least be ready to question their reason for making them inseparable despite living in a multicultural american country.
To use some of the things people commonly claim to value for example:
>Don't ["minority"] people deserve the opportunity to preserve their culture?
Sidestep anti-white ideas by pointing out that other people have culture as well, and probe their idea of what cultural preservation would look like. You can use their answer to ask revealing questions, but if you don't do it in a way that seems sincere, they will react emotionally and you may not make progress that day
>You aren't worried about their culture because they have their own country? Should all cultures be allowed to have their own country?
>You don't think culture should be preserved? Anything that becomes unpopular in our [corporate/racist/whatever they don't like] world deserves to be forgotten?
>You aren't worried their culture is in danger of being lost? What about [native americans/buddhism/fallen civilization/history is racist/example you research yourself]
There is allso a risk they'll call the whole line of thought too unrelated if you execute this strategy poorly, which is part of why specifics matter.

>>508657671 (OP)
Do your own thing and uphold your principles. Don't back down when it becomes relevant but don't be hostile and start fights either. Let them be the one's alienating family over politics. People generally care about their famlies and even with ideological echo chambers reaffirming things and active efforts to influence even stupid people are capable of some level of introspection so giving them a chance to see how their politics are damaging family relationships tends to mellow out all but the biggest zelots a bit. It won't change their mind but it will pull them back a little and even make them ever so slightly less willing to engage as fully with those divisive positions than if everyone around them were supporting them in it. Love your family and trust them to be able to see when they're the ones that are being the bad guy.

>>508660086
Hmmm very interesting. So asking leading questions? I’m going to actually try this. It’s just difficult because so much of how these people talk is in the form of lecturing where they simply assume their options are true in all possible worlds.

>>508657671 (OP)
"Can we not talk about politics? Thanks."
And if they insist just stop visiting.

>>508660086
This kind of reasoning won't work with most normalfags. They're just too dim-witted and ignorant to even begin to comprehend the difference between race, culture, and ethnicity. This is especially true for woke liberals. Anything that conflicts with their (((narrative))) will be met with anger and accusations of Naziism, racism, fascism, or whatever buzzword they're using against non-wokesters.

>>508660238
With the people im talking about it’s difficult because it’s like their mind has become crystallized around their beliefs. I have this one fat old possibly lesbian aunt who created multiple broken homes and her own kids don’t talk to her. Yet she lectures on how bad men are and all this stuff and it seems so disgusting to me cause from the outside it’s clear her whole outlook produced nothing but failure yet she lectures and displays no interest in other opinions. It’s hard to see how a relationship can be had with someone like that although honestly I do yearn for the connection since she is family.

>>508658055
He says while holed up in his attic room in mom's house, aged 32

>>508660513
This is what I’ve gathered. It’s like they can’t respond to other opinions without total moral condemnation. I often wonder what death and dying will be like for people like this.

This whole issue has led me to research multiple perspectives. Two that are interesting are the Nietzschean perspective vs that of Jesus.

Nietzsche would say these people are possessed by weakness, and resentment and therefore can’t be saved and must be totally ignored lest they drag others down as they wither into nothingness.

Jesus on the other hand preaches forgiveness that they really don’t know their error in their ways, to maintain healthy distance but also wish the best for them.

I honestly go back and forth between the two perspectives.

>>508660270
Part of what I was getting it is that although there are some genuine philosophical opposing positions around, many people are just emotionally charged with minimal reflection on how current thing is tied to even their own values. They often have doublethink beliefs which are not even compatible with each other, let alone reality. When their desire to talk about how right they are reveals these incongruities, you can show some compassion and give them an out by explaining how a slightly different view would make their ideas make total sense, even if those ideas are ultimately just emotions.
>>508660513
Thing=bad normie programming may be strong, but their unwillingness to actually think about the reasoning makes it easy to disarm by simply switching out specifics with other things. Hypocrisy becomes something you can take advantage of so long as you wait to point it out until further down the road.
Getting to the point of a calm conversation instead of them being prepared for an argument is the first step but may be the longest. Talking in private so that they don't feel the need to signal to someone or represent something can sometimes be effective.
>Hey I heard you talk about x is y but why do you think that? I can't find anyone to explain to me.
And leave out the opposing opinion entirely, again so they don't come in expecting a debate.

>>508660938
To add, some of these strats are mainly useful for disagreements with family and maybe friends-of-friends. With family, you can spread conversations across days and weeks and years, whereas your street normie will stop talking to you after the conversation is over in many cases. Family is also more open to and deserving of compassion and reasoned discussion rather than the more incendiary methods to "deal with" disagreeing people found elsewhere.

>>508657671 (OP)
You sound gay and retarded, possibly brown

>>508657671 (OP)
My parents are Reaganite boomers. My oldest sister is a Leninist, my older brother is a Adam Smith capitalist, and my younger sister is a radical progressive socialist. Political discussions are very interesting and can often be quite fun.

>>508657671 (OP)
Get away from them

>>508657671 (OP)
Cast them out

>>508657671 (OP)
>For instance woke family members who promote ideas that are toxic to the whole concept of family and community
like universal childcare and free lunches in school and healthcare and higher wages and