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Anonymous ID: rfAqQ75uUnited States
6/25/2025, 2:34:51 PM No.508684396
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Why do rich people support socialism if it was suppose to help poor working class people ?
Are the rich temporarily embarrassed proletariat?
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Anonymous ID: CrFrRi/+Australia
6/25/2025, 2:37:23 PM No.508684531
>>508684396 (OP)
Socialism is to help raise taxes it has nothing to do with helping poors
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Anonymous ID: rfAqQ75uUnited States
6/25/2025, 2:39:42 PM No.508684680
>>508684531
Donโ€™t forget it helps destroy any group with any power (nobility, the church , etc)
Anonymous ID: y2bHrfM+United States
6/25/2025, 2:40:44 PM No.508684745
>>508684396 (OP)
Right people take advantage of ngos, business tax loopholes, charities, etc which give the veneer of altruism while actually robbing people
Anonymous ID: ImYbr1bwSweden
6/25/2025, 3:19:44 PM No.508687334
>>508684396 (OP)
This book really helped me understand what's going on with leftism. Especially chapter 6. All the flaws of leftism which libertarianism talks about, they know about it, and agree with it, they do it anyway, for a reason. To give you one example I found in real life. Here in Sweden there is something called "nystartsjobb". It's a government subsidy to employers for employing long-term unemployed people. So what happens is employers will choose a long-term unemployed over a a short-term unemployed, thereby actually creating unemployement. Genius. You look at the official information about it it says it's about lowering unemployment yada yada. All bullshit. They're very much aware of the actual consequences of shit like this. They always have ulterior motives. In this case this policy is a tool for government to increase regulation of the market. If you have for example 5 car washes in a small town, and 4 of them have employees that are in this subsidy program, that gives them an economic advantage of that 1 car wash which doesn't. That 1 which doesn't is forced into doing it too, or they'll go bankrupt. This program comes with a bunch of conditions which have to be met.

https://www.liberalstudies.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Economics-in-One-Lesson_2.pdf
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Anonymous ID: CrFrRi/+Australia
6/25/2025, 3:31:24 PM No.508688100
>>508687334
Simply put, business pay taxes and only get a tax break if you hire untermensch. Same system in Australia

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/newstart-allowance

familiar to you?
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Anonymous ID: T+FDA6ycUnited States
6/25/2025, 3:39:09 PM No.508688594
>>508684396 (OP)
Socialism is basically collecting a bunch of money at gunpoint and letting a few well connected individuals decide where it goes. Why wouldn't rich people support that? They're the collected individuals.
Anonymous ID: XWA3YRoTUnited States
6/25/2025, 3:40:11 PM No.508688666
>>508684396 (OP)
>why do the rich want to take away anyone's ability to become rich
Anonymous ID: ImYbr1bwSweden
6/25/2025, 3:40:26 PM No.508688680
>>508688100
nystart means new start
I wouldn't say untermensch, it's people who are in long-term unemployment but it's this exact policy which is pushing them into it in the first place. You'd have the exact same people without it, just they'd get the job faster. So what's your point?
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Anonymous ID: mCvKqJVd
6/25/2025, 3:50:41 PM No.508689381
Uh
Anonymous ID: CrFrRi/+Australia
6/25/2025, 3:54:44 PM No.508689660
>>508688680
Yes I have google translate (and am not a fucking retard) I am aware what nystartsjobb means, I was simply offering the equivalent in Australia to demonstrate that it's a global problem.

I would call long-term unemployed "untermench" because that's the way the government refers to them unofficially.
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Anonymous ID: ImYbr1bwSweden
6/25/2025, 3:58:57 PM No.508689948
>>508689660
>I would call long-term unemployed "untermench" because that's the way the government refers to them unofficially.
They're literally making the business choose a long term unemployed over a short term unemployed. It's not two different people. It's short term unemployed guy goes there, is denied the job, goes back 3 years later, now he gets the job. That's why I said it's actually creating unemployment. It's just making you wait a few years for the same job you would have gotten right away otherwise.
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Anonymous ID: bnzcM/X4Croatia
6/25/2025, 4:16:32 PM No.508691250
>>508684396 (OP)
The fuck they do. They support socialism under their terms: more support for trans kids amd homos, more tax for you. Paid migrations for sub-Saharans, import taxes for you.
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Anonymous ID: ImYbr1bwSweden
6/25/2025, 4:21:41 PM No.508691635
>>508689948
To put it differently, they aren't creating a new job, they're giving a job to one person while denying another person the same job. What do we call a person who is denied a job, exactly, an unemployed. It's literally oh you've been unemployed for 3 months, sorry you're not hired, oh you've been unemployed for 3 years, welcome you got the job. They know what they're doing, and they have their arguments backing up why they do it, but they don't tell you that, they give you a bullshit explanation, and they have arguments for why they do that too. They're not dumb.
Anonymous ID: CrFrRi/+Australia
6/25/2025, 4:26:31 PM No.508692004
>>508689948
Seems like a great way to convince men to travel offshore and mix up the genepool.
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Anonymous ID: CrFrRi/+Australia
6/25/2025, 4:29:25 PM No.508692223
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>>508691250
LE CONTRAT SOCIAL
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Anonymous ID: bnzcM/X4Croatia
6/25/2025, 4:31:57 PM No.508692422
>>508692223
Picrel isn't me. I have no job and no gibs. I don't take part in society.
Anonymous ID: ImYbr1bwSweden
6/25/2025, 4:33:00 PM No.508692499
>>508692004
Don't know what you mean. Anyway, I didn't know they had this in Australia too. I had a job with this benefit for a while. I think the only people who worked there in this position at least were illegals and me and others before me with this "benefit". Literally the day this benefit ended they didn't want me anymore. That tells you they didn't want anyone who was a regular legal job seeker.
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Anonymous ID: Ds8rmnAvUnited Kingdom
6/25/2025, 4:35:24 PM No.508692677
>>508684396 (OP)
They are all public servants working public sector jobs. That means everyone pays their salaries and they dont have to actually produce results. ALL OF THEM - republican / democrat, prime minister / King they are ALL on the public payroll.

We are socialist nations
Anonymous ID: ImYbr1bwSweden
6/25/2025, 4:36:18 PM No.508692759
>>508692499
And as I said earlier, had this benefit not existed, then they would have hired people without it. But since the other businesses hire people on this benefit they have no choice, because choosing a regular guy is going to cost twice as much in salary, which means they have to raise prices, which means customers choose competitors instead.
Anonymous ID: 7/WspnFtUnited States
6/25/2025, 4:38:10 PM No.508692890
>>508684396 (OP)
There are always outliers in any group. Some rich people arent complete psychopaths.

But OP still hasn't explained why poor people should vote against their interests and simp for billionaires.

Why is that? Why does OP do it for free?
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Anonymous ID: ImYbr1bwSweden
6/25/2025, 4:51:18 PM No.508693914
>>508692890
Kek, I recognize you from your spam threads, still haven't read this book I recommended you like years ago. /Pol/acks hate learning.
https://www.liberalstudies.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Economics-in-One-Lesson_2.pdf
Birb ID: o/Zajf/iUnited States
6/25/2025, 4:53:53 PM No.508694126
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>>508692890
>But OP still hasn't explained why poor people should vote against their interests and simp for billionaires.
>Why is that? Why does OP do it for free?
They think voting actually matters when it doesn't.
Anonymous ID: Uaa0YflHUnited States
6/25/2025, 4:54:41 PM No.508694190
>>508684396 (OP)

Its never going to help the poor. It just centralizes more control with the rich.
Anonymous ID: +uNYnjsQRomania
6/25/2025, 4:57:03 PM No.508694377
>>508684396 (OP)
>Why do rich people support socialism
They don't, they support neoliberalism which promotes fags, women in position of power and unlimited immigration.
Anonymous ID: BHXpfC/FUnited States
6/25/2025, 5:04:55 PM No.508694979
>>508684396 (OP)
Let me break it down for you:
It doesn't fucking matter what system rich people support BECUASE THEY ARE FUCKING RICH AND WHATEVER RULES OF SOCIETY DONT APPLY TO THEM