Is it even possible to go off grid in this day and age?

>>508695580 (OP)
Its easier than ever with availability of solar and great if you have ground water well.

Yes, if you can’t afford to split a farm with friends/family then you can find a place to volunteer here: https://ecovillage.org/

>>508695698
This too. Also satellite internet is way better. You can easily generate your own electricity, water, food, and still be able to jack off to porn if you can’t find a farm bae.

>>508695856
What's the point of going off grid if you're still going to poison your mind with internet?

>>508695580 (OP)
What's the matter you can't use your fancy eye camera phone to talk to someone who successfully is fully sustainable and doesn't need a grid and ask them?
What is that? You are asking a pokemon basket weaving community instead?

>>508695856
if you can do all that, getting a woman to lay about your property is literally child's play, that's every woman's dream just lay around get fucked and not have to do anything except maintain the homestead

>>508695698
>Its easier than ever with availability of solar and great if you have ground water well.
fpbp

Off grid has always been the norm in rural Aus and it's never been easier.

>>508695580 (OP)
If they want to watch you, they'd watch you and you'd have no privacy. This was true in the 1970s. It's a lot easier now, but they seem to be a bit worried that the dumb livestock who they don't watch every waking moment might catch on.

>>508695580 (OP)
of course it is you just need to be more open minded about the locations

>>508695580 (OP)
It's ridiculously simple outside of the major urban places.

>>508695727
Careful anons, these places are notorious for death cult shenanigans.

>>508696316
agree. the worst thing in rural, off-grid locations is the other people. keep them a good distance away.

>>508695698
Unless you want to shit in a hole you need to get someone to come and suck up the shit and piss in your spetic tank, and you need lots of water for toilet, faucets, shower, etc…plus you need garbage pickup ….

>>508695580 (OP)
"Off grid" means larper who has enough money to build their own grid. Not even the homeless are off grid because they get Obama phones

I thought that was a container full of broccoli

>>508696626
there is no need for electricity. people lived without it for most of the periods of history you read about.

>>508695580 (OP)
I've been looking into homesteading for a year now and it's much harder than you think. For power, solar is still a pain in the ass. For water, you really need a well and if solar cuts out, it will backflush and stir up sediment. It's very hard to grow enough food to eat and also make a profit, so you will always need a normal job somewhere for a main income. Basically, you have to already have a lot of money to get set up, so many homesteaders already had equity from selling other property and have some kind of residual income, like retirement or other benefits.

>>508695580 (OP)
Yeah. You don't live in a totalitarian society. Leave the government alone and they will leave you alone.

>>508696479
>get someone to come and suck up the shit and piss in your spetic tank
What? That's not how a septic system works.

>>508696871
it's not about leaving them along so much as not competing with them in any way.

>>508695580 (OP)
>>508696246
The problem really is
>Why should I work 80 hours a week for you to watch me working while you enjoy your comfortable air conditioned government surveillance post with meals provided?

>>508696479
This. The best balance is to become a hermit who lives on several acres outside a smallish town in a southern state. You can get electricity, well water, garbage pickup, and cable. Then just rarely go to town or interact with anyone other than family. This way you can live the off grid lifestyle with minimal cost of the few luxuries you want from the world.

>>508695580 (OP)
Most off grid larpers are just doing youtube vids for $. They will even block you if you start asking about property taxes. But there are a few ways to truly go off grid but I refuse to share due to the America's locust like nature when it comes to old things being new again. If you really wanted to know the info is all out there..

>>508696479
>you need to get someone to come and suck up the shit and piss in your spetic tank,
if its done right you dont need that because bacteria digest the solids away, but even if you need a truck every 6-10 years its hardly a big deal unless you have not road at all to your place.
Another way to do it is composting instead of flushing to a tank. look up the Humanure handbook.
>lots of water for toilet, faucets, shower, etc…
water is important of course. most people will get a drilled well, one of the main expenses afte buying land. if you have limited water than you trim down what you need to use and make the most of rain fall etc.
>plus you need garbage pickup ….
most of it can be either burned or avoided in the first place. you then just take your few bags into town to throw out every 2-3 weeks, or longer.

>>508696781
>solar is still a pain in the ass
how so?
> you really need a well and if solar cuts out, it will backflush and stir up sediment.
a well is best for sure, but never heard of the backflush thing. pumps just sit there until you activate them. must be some kind of system ive not seen before.
> It's very hard to grow enough food to eat and also make a profit, so you will always need a normal job somewhere for a main income.
thats true enough. living off grid is pretty much a work in progress for most people but thats ok. its a nice ideal to have in mind.

>>508695580 (OP)
What do you mean off grid? Do you mean Amish? Do you mean not connected to public utilities? Both are possible, easily.

>>508696263

>>508696110
that's an unusual collection of vegetation.

>>508696012
instead of goon cave
>Goon field
>goon grotto
>goon forest

>>508698690
you definitely need a goon shed

>>508695580 (OP)
its totally possible. i do a homestead and my biggest thing is water. i am hooked to the grid because its cheap and convenient, if i could get water without electricity i would consider just going without power but theres not enough wind for a windmill and i would pump myself to death with a handpump watering all my gardens. septic is not an issue at all unless you have a giant family, a couple of people dont make that much waste.
picrel, blackberries i pick this morning, im making jam this afternoon on my rocket stove

>>508697074
underrated post

>>508695727
Just buy a cheap farm poorfag, don't forget to put a few million grand aside for equipment bro.

>>508697074
kek, this is me.

>>508699272
>nigger berries
neighborhood ruined

>>508697074
And what do you do for a living

>>508700231
is that black cock up your ass still?

>>508696479
What is an outhouse for 300?

>>508695580 (OP)
no

>>508700611
This is the way to go for the cheapest offgrid toilet.

https://humanurehandbook.com/

>>508695580 (OP)
Every boomer partitioned and sold off every bit of land they could so most properties are tiny in 2025 year of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Any large properties are absurd expensive.

>>508700731
you could live in a shack by the coast and live from fish and seals

>>508695727
why the fuck would anyone do that? the entire point of farming or fishing is to get the fuck away from you fucking assholes.

>>508695580 (OP)
OFF THE GRIDDD

>>508696871
> You don't live in a totalitarian society.
Holy mother of Waco. Discount Austria has gone bonkers.

>>508695580 (OP)
Yes, you just become a wilderness vagrant and never stop moving for more than a few days. You can call yourself ascetic so it sounds more mysterious.

If you mean buying land, no, if you're paying property taxes and shit i don't think that's being off-grid, although if the property tax is cheap and you can afford the land i don't see why not do it.

>>508695727
Hippies and drug addicts at those places lmao.

>>508696781
Sandpoint well
Outhouse
Yurt
Yard tools
Rifle
Solar panel and battery for electronics.
Big ole yurt to live in
Wood stove.
Youre retarted
Kys
I live like this for 5 years in my early 20s. Buy a horse trough and fill it with filteted rain water then add 3 or 4 pots of boiling water to bring it to temp. In the spring move your yurt 50 yards. Rinse repeat.
The hardest part is firewood and wildlife fucking up your garden, keeping enough on hand and keeping animals from decimating your shit is a pain.
Otherwise you work a part time job to afford property taxes and you set your address to an actual livable home like your parents house. Its easily done and you only need to do like a weeks work at max during the year. The rest is maintaining shit after the heat of the day.
Things like goal zero electric coolers work wonders for keeping food good.

>>508697098
>the info is all out there
could you give some hint to a fellow europoor?

>>508701067
This, communes here are either scams or fronts for drug trafficking and even human trafficking.

>>508700494
i mow my neighbors grass to pay my power bill and phone. the rest of the time i spend working on my homestead. trying to grow enough food to survive is a shit ton of work. ive been up sin 630 picking blackberries and green beans while watering my garden. now i have to snap beans and make jam and can both. its super hot right now, my raised beds need watered almost everyday

I don't think you can count it as off-grid when you are reliant on solar panels, have a cell phone, rely on a septic company, etc.

>>508701103
>yurt
kys

>>508695580 (OP)
no,
you need to pay the property tax

>>508701201
The least visited terrains are forrested with low seasonal vegetation and a slope from 35 deg upwards.
You're not the first one.

>>508696316
>these places are notorious for death cult shenanigans.
but enough about incel forums

>>508701562
mine is $51/yr, not a big deal

>>508701275
Off Grid just means off electric grid
Doesn’t mean you have to live like a cave man

>>508695580 (OP)
Depends where you live. Good luck doing that in Canada without getting the full force of government lapdogs crashing down on you.

>>508695580 (OP)
No. Earth is overcrowded and there is no land left. Of course you can buy some land but then you have property tax and you have to ask the government if you want to build something on it or cut a tree down. That ruins the purpose of going off grid in my opinion. Of course you could somehow make it to an uninhabited island somewhere but you won't survive there.

>>508695580 (OP)
possible but only if you have land or know someone who would let you stay on their land

most don't have this option

>>508696110
Australians live so off grid they've turned into desert Hobbits
>picrel

>>508695580 (OP)
You don't want to live off the grid, you want to live free from the government and usurpers alike.

>>508695580 (OP)
Don't you have to pay property tax?
The government won't just let you mind your own business

>>508698690
based

>>508702047
You can use any crown land in canada for personal use for up to like a month then you have to relocate a few kms away. It's comfy during the warm months, you just have to avoid injun reserves and respect fish and wildlife officers.

Only in western states. Most land east of colorado is privately owned

>>508701324
I actualy did this. Unlike you, who talks about it. But okay good luck with your buildig permits or codes or whatever the fuck. Ill just move my shit periodically and be fine

>>508701103
You fogot all sorts of ZOG agents making all that impossible.
>Sandpoint well
"It's messing with... uhmmm... water circulation! Remove it or else!"
>Solar panel and battery for electronics.
"Mr Anon, your solar panel is not certified by (((Certification Organization (TM))), it must be removed or else"
Etc, etc, etc. Welcome to the kiked world.

>>508695580 (OP)
I feel like I've seen that image on /x/, OP. I think it was attached to some greentext story about a guy and his friend doing work on a dude's property. I can't find it, though.

>>508698690
Goon grotto LMFAO

>>508702694

>>508702431
here my property tax, i even get a homestead credit.

>>508702902
Thanks. So now we have a Burger flag homesteader, Czech depressionist and the thread with a clueless UK redditor.
Can't wait for a romantically supressed Kazakhstani coal miner, that would be banger.

>>508695580 (OP)
Its easier than its ever been.

>starlink internet
>WFH jobs
>prefab homes
>solar power
>battery storage
>electric cars
>eons of knowledge for free on youtube and internet
>advanced sustainable sewer sanitation that could theoretically last forever with little maintenance

People don't want to live off grid. They just don't want to live around niggers and spics and jeets. Running away to Montana or wherever is not going to fix that. They will always follow us eventually once everything we abandoned to them falls apart.

If there was a place that specifically banned non-Whites, I'd move there. But I'm not packing up my entire life for any of this "implied" bullshit. That's all it ever is. Implied. They are implying that if you move to one of these shithole states that you can live around White people, but they never put it in writing. Then 10 years go by and every lazy ass faggot needs 100 beaners to work in his factory or his shitty landscaping business and you are right back to living like you were, except now you are in bumfuck Idaho or wherever.

I want to see it in bold fucking letters

>THIS CITY IS TO BE INHABITED EXCLUSIVELY BY WHITE PEOPLE, AND RUN BY WHITE PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BENIFIT OF WHITE PEOPLE.
>NO SPICS.
>NO NIGGERS.
>NO ARABS.
>NO ASIANS.
>NO JEWS.
>VIOLATION OF THIS CORE TENANT IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.

>>508696054
>that's every woman's dream just lay around get fucked and not have to do anything except maintain the homestead
that was before divorce. now, every woman's dream is to divorce rape at least one, if not multiple husbands. that way you get an allowance and don't even have to spread your legs any more.

>>508702628
No american, doesnt know how coubty codes work.
Opinion discarded.
You can put a sandpoint 30 ft down ano nobody knows. Its even there untill ypu show them the pump. Permits not required in many rural areas.
If youre not in a farmland zone and rural you dont have to worry about much being in the ground water either.

>>508704291
Trust me, the kikes will invent 1000 of ways to fuck with you when they want to.

>>508695580 (OP)
I just can't afford the land, everything is so fucking expensive and the longer I save the less I can afford. It's insane.

>>508704537
im doing it and the government is the least of my concerns. its the retards from r/homesteading that bother me the most

>>508705560
How do virtual people from the internet (most likely bots) bother you?

>>508705655
i have seen at least 10 people show up around me to live off the land, and it didn't work out. you have to be multiskilled and be ready to work alot. its not like their youtube videos

>>508696012
The internet is one of the fee good things about this era, you fool. Not my problem simpletons can't handle the power

>>508700043
the first 3 rules of real estate value: location, location, location

>>508700771
>508706566

>>508696781
>dude it's really hard to build a house. You have to drill a well AND set up your power source
You can tell 90% of off grid posters and underage or neet larpers because they don't know that these are all things regular on grid homeowners deal with everyday. It's not even an underage thing. It's people raised like cattle in city appartments who can't fathom having to do anything for themselves. Sad

>>508706566
>wanting to live in Iowa

>>508700771
>>508706566

>>508706079
Living solely off the land is almost impossible nowadays. Permaculture fags say an acre is enough. As if.
A fucking acre, which is 5x as much as is typically available in Europe is not enough to feed, clothe, tool and medicate an average family.
You're effectively fucked without like-minded community. And that's now, imagine how it would look once you'll get old.
I'm not even going into pesticides and newly introduced pests, which is a very broad subject.

>>508706971
>What is wanting to go off grid

>>508695580 (OP)
I gave up trying to be totally off grid after realizing I will be suckling at ExxonMobils tit for as long as I live

>>508695580 (OP)
WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS OF THE SPEED LIMIT BEING LOWERED EVERYWHERE AND MOTORIZED VEHICLES BEING MORE COSTLY AND HAVING MORE HOOPS TO JUMP THROUGH EVERYWHERE??

>>508695580 (OP)
ted kaczynski did it for decades

>>508707027
isn't an acre just a regular (euroean) football(soccer) field, though? seems like enough for a single person, if you ask me...

>>508695580 (OP)
Not in the Western world.

>>508696781
>a well and if solar cuts out, it will backflush and stir up sediment
I have a well, thats not how it works.

I post this all the time in /out/.
>I have a cabin innawoods on about 40 acres. Bought the first half for about $1,400 and acre and finally secured the second half (about twice the price unfortunately).
>was raw land, didn't even have an address assigned.
>$10k for well. 220 feet deep. Water at about 120 feet. Pump sits at 170 feet. Well driller rated it at about 100 gpm (capable). 1/2 hp pump, 100 gallon expansion tank.
>septic was $2k (pre covid). 1,000 gallon concrete tank. (2) 75 foot leach lines. PVC prices sky rocketed and same system is about $5k today.
>Im on grid (my neighbor is not). My cost was about $700 to install a service pole. Power line was close enough to hook up with no additional charge. First 300 feet is free, after that its 4 bucks a foot overhead, 7 bucks a foot underground. This is how I scored the second plot- it would have been $8k to get power to where he wanted to build (i wouldnt give eqsement for power line across my.propertt and he would have had to go the long way around).

Yes its doable but takes a lot of effort. Otherwise youre living like uncle Ted and will probably wind up just as mad.

>>508695580 (OP)
Depends where you are if you are in Canada, Russia, the US then yes it is possible if you are in the Western Europe it is not

>>508695580 (OP)
>
depends on where you live. in canada you can go off grid pretty easily by just driving north

>>508707386
yeah, but teddy bear also lived in the goddamn forests in northern america. the u.s. has fucking forests that are larger than the entirety of western europe, dude. also, he didn't even succeed, even with his genius-tier intellect. he often had to go to the local vacation homes in his area and scavenge through them for food and clothing and cans of beans n stuff. i thought he was supposed to be a hardcore fucking genius???? doesn't sound so fucking smart to me, eh??? he also routinely begged his family for money, because even though he was a supposed genius, he didn't know how to survive in the wild, somehow...........

>>508708164
>cont
Tired green text.

My neighbor has solar and even a windmill. Its still expensive. Its not just solar panels. its a shit ton of batteries and wiring. Everyone has had a dead battery in their car. Now imagine dealing with 20-50 of them.
>imb4 amazon says I can get a setup to run an entire house for $5k!
You forgot to read the fine print
>*without A/C
A standard home service is 200 amps. That AC unit will pull 80 amps when it kicks on and 40 when running.
That badass gaming computer you have is pulling 10 amps.
Shit adds up fast.

>>508708164
sounds pretty good, pvc has came back down, i bought some 1" the other day for $3 a stick

>>508708059
Fuck firefox, fuck android and fuck that nigger who implemented power saving.
Now that my effort post is gone, the answer is still "no".
One koku requires 1000 m^2. Add to that another 1000 m2 of woodland for fire, coppicing and fungi, 100 m2 of kitchen garden for spices and medicinals, and we're easily above one acre. And that's for an individual, yet we need to support large families.
It's designed to be beyond our reach.

>>508708910
i can tell you are actually doing what you say because i have experienced the same. i have a mini split and it really is energy efficient. they even make ones for solar because a minisplit inverts to dc anyway so the just cut out both inverters and run straight off the batteries

Alaska seems the most viable for the most entrepreneurial, skilled, and resourceful with money saved. The 5 figure properties in this picture are 10 acres or more and property tax seems negligible in the middle of nowhere because it's all local. Of course you will have to do the rest literally yourself without any contractors or easy way to transport things. Also better learn how to fly lol

>>508707287
Just suck it up and use solar panels and batteries you retard

>>508710223
arkansas is really good, no codes or permits for anything. land is cheap and the climate is great for gardening.

>>508708910
even mid range lead acid batteries will go 7-10 years so long as you dont deep cycle them. it would be hard on a system to run a big AC unit though thats for sure. if you dont need that and can make so with a smaller window unit just int he bedroom or something then its not a problem

>>508696720
>history you read about
Then most of it is bullshit as its more likely we spent a relatively small amount of time without electricity before it was 'rediscoverd'

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