How will the US survive without Mexican labor?

Taco rationing

How does that even happen?

>>508703464 (OP)
Why are you making a house out of plywood?

>>508703464 (OP)
What's Mexican labor

>>508703464 (OP)
you get what you pay for

>>508703464 (OP)
Only black people hate plywood townhomes and jeeps :(

>>508703464 (OP)
The "Three Little Mutts" is banned in America.

>>508703464 (OP)
>If you squint, it's mint.
>Can't see it from my house.
>Building it, not buying it.
Et cetera

>>508703464 (OP)
Guess all the DEI workers and school faculty will have to take their place.

>>508703464 (OP)
>uses OSB on roof
third world

>>508703575
It's cheap. Contractors buy materials in bulk for cheap and slap up housing developments for big bucks.

>>508703575
Plywood is very strong and flexible. That said, this isn't even plywood, it's chipboard which is trash.

>>508703464 (OP)
Never seen 3 inch plywood before lmao, what the fuck is that AI garbage

>>508703561
some of the spic construction workers use rulers with inches some with centimeters and they don’t know the difference

>>508703660
Could be worse, could be foam.

>>508703690
If they were to buy quality materials in bulk the cost I imagine wouldn't go up that much but then you'd need people skilled with those as well so the labor costs also go up.

>>508703741
This actually makes sense.

>>508703575
>Why are you making a house out of plywood?
Looks worse than plywood, it looks like what we call particle board here.

Basically wood chips and glue.

>>508703464 (OP)
The difference in quality of construction, both labor and materials, from 30 years ago is absolutely appalling.

>>508703758
ICF have their uses imo. In cold weather areas it holds interior heat very well and there are no termites to in it. Using it anywhere else is absolutely retarded.

>>508703856
That's deluxe particle board: oriented strand board or OSB.

>>508703660
they use OSB for everything
they are a OSB nation, filled with OSB people, with OSB minds, consuming OSB garbage, living in OSB houses

>>508703561
What do you mean, how? Jose comes back from lunch after slamming a few few Modelos and he cuts the board plus or minus an inch here and there, you throw a ridge cap over it and nobody fucking checks.

>>508703464 (OP)
That looks like the work of mexicans if you ask me....

>>508704054
European genes made them retarded

>>508703561
by hiring illiterate third-worlders

>>508704030
>That's deluxe particle board: oriented strand board or OSB.
Huh, hadn't come across that before.

>Oriented strand board (OSB) is a type of engineered wood, formed by adding adhesives and then compressing layers of wood strands (flakes) in specific orientations. It was invented by Armin Elmendorf in California in 1963.[1] OSB may have a rough and variegated surface with the individual strips of around 2.5 cm × 15 cm (1.0 by 5.9 inches), lying unevenly across each other, and is produced in a variety of types and thicknesses.

The more you know.

>>508703464 (OP)
lower tolerance build specs allow for more flex and durability, that house is like the AK47 of designs - if the joints were all tight it would be too rigid and fall down from high winds or earthquakes

>>508703628
>scandi house
>constant 700mph winds changing directions twice a minute
>hail the size of bowling balls
>frequent godzilla attacks
>gets uswed for generations

>yank house
>someone has the boombox on too loud
>completely shatters
>lord have mercy if it rains one day

>>508703561
Retards didn't think to check ff the house twists. All this can be avoided if you have the mental capacity to run a piece of string between first post and last post.

>>508704000
we use the foam outside of our concrete houses and its top
granted we have quadruple-glass-pane insulated windows solar to make warm water, pv to generate electricity, geothermal nodes to heat the floor and a regular oven chimney because we can yesterday it was 31°C outside while it was 18°C inside with no AC,

>>508703464 (OP)
Straight lines are a social construct invented by the white man to keep the brown man down.

>>508703561
Eh, ees good enuff essé

>>508703464 (OP)
>>508703561
>>508703599
>>508703603
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>>508703983
hellooooooo

>>508703728
clearly beaners got kicked off the job for shit work and it absorbed rain water for several months.

>>508704054
Driving OBS trucks amen

>>508704332
>if the joints were all tight it would be too rigid and fall down from high winds or earthquakes

This is only an american problem. The rest of the world build houses to withstand the elements.

>>508703550
rare

>>508703561
idk just ended up like that o algo

>>508703464 (OP)
I'm proud to say we never had spic work crews in my little big town, we're proof they were never needed and can all go back now.

>>508704332

>>508704471
ICF is basically foam concrete forms stacked up like lincoln logs and filled with concrete to provide the structural integrity. Pretty cool alternative option if you don't want to live in a concrete block bunker. Some jew tried to bring the system here but found out that while termites don't eat the foam, they nest in it and use the foam as a highway to eat everything wooden in the house.

>>508703464 (OP)
why is the roofing panel 2 inches thick????

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>>508703758
It's literally over. Muttmerica will collapse in our lifetime.

>>508703690
>It's cheap
I guess it's easier to make a skeleton, stuff it with glass fiber and wrap it in plasterboards, but I don't imagine that house is gonna last long, especially if its a humid environment

>>508703561
most lumber is uneven and warped at homedepot/lowes where a lot of construction materials come from. even lumber yards have this problem. it "can be worked with" but my opinion is the workmanship using warped lumber will always be substandard, as in uneven, mismatched, etc.

we build houses out of OSB and sticks and asphalt shingles because it's cheap and we have a ton of land we need to build cheap houses on. Now, that will be $599,995.

>>508704860
like communism in my times?

>>508703464 (OP)
You have 140 million Americans, how is that not enough?
>>508703628
I feel bad for whoever wasted their lifetime building these straw houses.

>>508703464 (OP)
that will be $800k, plus tip and yearly property tax. Oh and you also live next to loud nigs. Enjoy!

>>508703561
Unskilled Labour who barely speak English on low pay with no job security. That'll be $650'000.

>>508704030
>deluxe particle board

>>508704955
There are houses built like that which still stand since the 1950's. It can be done correctly. The material choice is a bit different these days. Maybe the wood is worse qualty. Who knows.

>>508705031
There are plenty of communist countries in Asia left you can stay butthurt at.

the US will benefit from the eviction of mexican "labor", boomer will be force to hire zoomers at greater cost per laborer but more value added per money spent, aryan craftsmen are honest and far superior

>>508704955
And god help you if you have to deal with infestations and bugs...

>>508705211
>all those international signs and English letters
I wonder what the total amount of money went to funding leftists and faggots in this country ended up amounting to especially in the USAID program.

>>508705211

but there are still many capitalist countries where people live better. why don't you show north korea all the time in the same poverty only the spiritual leader of the socialist soul changes

>>508704750
Mexicans are actually just fine at construction, it's how they are paid that results in shit like this. Subcontractor crews are all doing bid work, not hourly. Nthe laborers may be hourly, but the alpha Mexican in charge of the crews and who carries and Comp and GL is paid based on a predetermined price per sheet/SQ. So, of they fall behind, it results in shit like this. What I like to call Mexican Shit. You can literally say this to Mexicans and they laugh because they know it's true. Also, all you retards that think it's white people exploiting illegal labor, it's not. It's Mexicans exploiting other Central American immigrants.
Trades by bets race to do them
>Exterior siding and trim - Koreans
>Drywall - Mexicans
>Roofer - Mexicans
>Painters - White people
>Interior finish carpenters - White people
>HVAC - white people/blacks (my HVAC sub is black)
>Electrical - runs the gamut
t. commercial roofing contractor
I would never have a white roofing crew. They will 100% smoke meth behind one of the RTUs and come back to steal shit later on.

>>508704955
Well if you're in an area with large heating/cooling cycles (like Canada where it can be 40C in summer and -40C in winter) wood is going to fare much better than brick or concrete. All of the brick and concrete structures here are fractured due to frost heave and water ingress. Wood just shrugs it off year after year. The small bridges with lowest maintenance here are all creosote coated wood.

For large structures obviously steel-reinforced concrete is the way to go but for houses you're far better off with wooden frame + ply walls. Once the ply is on it's incredibly strong, handling everything short of a tornado which isn't really an issue for 99.9% of Canadians.

>>508705495
>but there are still many capitalist countries where people live better
Pension age in pooland. 67 years for both men and women (no gender difference). You're jut a few years behind Denmark, which is 70 years.

In communist China their pension age for women is 50.

>>508705043
200 million White Americans can't take on as much debt as 350 million brown Americans. The population must always increase because that's the only way to increase the debt load and keep the banks lending. A debt-based economy doesn't work with a stable or shrinking population.

>>508703464 (OP)
is this built to code?
>>508703575
plywood would be an upgrade

>>508705802
retirement age is taken into account the average age of a woman and a man kek the expected age of a woman must be around 60-70 years if you are telling the truth about china

>>508703628
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>>508705043
That only happens when the builder is incompetent. You're supposed to put the OSB panels on the first floor before starting the second floor. The OSB provides rigidity and keeps the beams from flexing at their joints.
What they did is akin to building a brick wall without using mortar to hold the bricks together. It's a system of construction and you can't just skip steps.

>>508704367
The big difference in how we frame houses is that we use lateral bracing in our frames while Americans have fallen in love with OSB and composite board as a structural element, it's actually more thermodynamically efficient because there aren't as many heat bridges in the frame but I would still feel iffy about not having lateral braces as part of the frame, especially since composites will fall apart if wet so any structural damage to the roof could potentially collapse the whole house.

t. Tradie/sparkie

>>508705043
Unironically big lumber lobbies the govt against using other building methods. Steel and concrete framed houses are common all around the world except for the US. I used to work for one of the US steel framing companies and for every 1 house they did there were 5 6-story hotels that were built because of fire code laws which residential homes don't have.

>>508705533
>It's Mexicans exploiting other Central American immigrants.
I grew up in Texas, and these crews are everywhere here in The South.
>Electrical - runs the gamut
I'm a white American, and I folded my electrical contracting operation a few years after COVID started (after firing all but my two best clients, in 2020).
...The inability to fairly compete with unlicensed "tradesman" was a primary consideration (because it's expensive to get all these licenses renewed annually, in addition to paying taxes)
My biggest professional mistake was leaving commercial IBEW work to start my own residential shop.
No clue what I'll do next (just living off of savings, no rush to rejoin the ratrace), but I do know I'll never enter another home to do underpaid work.

>>508703464 (OP)
Hire me i know how to frame and do trusses + im white

>>508706135
>retirement age is taken into account the average age of a woman and a man kek
Nah, you're just plain wrong. Pension age is picked by economic surplus.
Oh, and now you will have to pay 5% to your war machine, so in 20 years your pension ag will rise again. Just like Denmark's.

>if you are telling the truth about china
Oh my bad, it can actually dip to 45 years in China.

Let's how your system evolves over time as Germany become poorer and import less from you. I'm not sure where your confidence is from, but it's going to b hilarious.

>>508705802
minimal pension in china 1430 CNY=777PLN
average salary 5,493 PLN but in poorland 8,962.28 PLN but we schould fear a cin tiger

>>508706354
That's a Texas state licensing issue. All they have to do is have the municipality require inspections for ICC compliance on trades. We have them in Indiana for everything ironically but roofing and framing as long as it's a "remodel permit". Even then, INDHS administers code compliance and they are starting to require inspections because they have a new administrative rule that once a remodel reaches a certain minimal threshold (usually as outlined in IRC or IBC), it has to meet code compliance for new construction. The company I work with is based out of Colorado, and PPRBD actually comes out to look at least once at everything. Tile and batten mounted stone coated steel requires a mid inspection for batten placement and spacing. You should consider PM like I do. I do insurance work primarily related to hail damage, and Texas is the best fucking spot in the country for shitty weather (besides front range of Colorado).

>>508706354
I knew someone who had 0 (zero) experience building who became a GC in Texas. Texas is a shithole.

>>508703575
Wood and steel frame construction is an objectively superior method of construction compared to stacking rocks like they do in third world shithole nigger countries like yours.

>>508703464 (OP)
I would caulk that gap, if you know what I mean, ese..

>>508703464 (OP)
thats some heavy duty fucking plywood. jesus its thicker than the 2x4s

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>>508706817
china getting welth like japanse stealing intelectual properyty but with extra steps with slavery

What would you do in this situation?

>>508706163
>It's a system of construction and you can't just skip steps.
Obviously you're not in construction, because it seems like the biggest corner-cutters make the most money.
I'm a semi-retired electrician, and it surprises me that more places don't burn down entirely.
As a sub a few years ago, a floorheat guy told me to "not make this more complicated than it needs to be" after I told him I wouldn't energize the 35A of heating coil he expected to run continuously on a 20A circuit (i.e. 16A limit on such a circuit, because used 3hrs+).
When I told the GC "no," he asked me why I cared so much. After telling him "because I don't want to damage your or my reputation."
...GC's response to me was "that's what I pay insurance for; connect the floorheat!"
Modernday construction is a disaster (particularly in residential; but I was IBEW for years and saw plenty of crappy work in commercial, too).

>>508703719
>Plywood is very strong and flexible
And also rots in outdoor conditions, no matter what you slap on there that "roof" is going to have a hole in it within a year.

>>508704114
This. They cover it up and no one notices until the roof starts leaking a few years later.

>>508706687
also good night i have to go sleep to get my 777 pln per month

>>508707098
Why does she have antenna? Is she Chinese or something?

>>508704958
If we scrapped all the "substandard" timber, we'd go out of business because 80% of it is warped, twisted, bent, smashed into with forks, split down the middle, knotted all over, and God knows what else.

>>508703464 (OP)
>shows picture of mexican labor.

>>508703464 (OP)
An increase in price but due to the piss poor quality people won't buy it so they will need to up the quality to match the price.

Plywood 1.7k square foot shacks are not worth 500k anymore.

>>508703561
The other anons are retarded. Its most likely the wall they used to square up those trusses wasn't square. Trusses 85 percent of the time can be bent to square, but when the wall is fucked, not much you can do.

>>508703561
2x4 are not even 2x4 anymore yet retard boomer contractors keep saying they are 2 inches by 4 inches. New workers will measure once, cut twice because the given measures were given based in the 2x4 size instead of the actual 1.5x3

>>508703464 (OP)
Well our houses would be built nicer that's for sure.

>>508707279
She's a dragon, a perfectly normal dragon.

>>508706817
>minimal pension in china 1430 CNY
This is because it' super cheap to get food on the table in China. I heard food is heavily government subsidised over there.

>but we schould fear a cin tiger
Your thoughts are about fear? I thought we were casually comparing who is living well?
Isn't it curious that as soon a I point out some positive metrics in China, your brain's immediate instinct is to judge whether or not you should fear it?

That says a lot about you.

>>508707286
Today's lumber has as many knots in it as a canadian white woman

>>508704395
kek, this is drunk spics we're talking about here

>>508706163
You're also supposed to have support beams tying together the structure, in the video there clearly are none, they've just laid 2x4s straight up like matches with nothing holding them together.

>>508703856
Are you retarded? You realize wood is just lignen and resin right? The natural material is simply fiber and glue.

>>508707241
Yes, run away, and try to not be so scared all the time.

>>508703856
OBS on roof is basically insane.
It doesn't matter how well the roof is sealed. You need to use planks or plywood. There's just no excuse for this especially when houses cost 100k+ in a non-degenerate part of the country, let alone 500k+ in the tax prisons and HOA gated communities.

That "wood" looks like a fucking Graham cracker.

>>508707029
That seems to be OBS and it seems to be already puffed up by humidity or water

>>508706918
>I do insurance work primarily related to hail damage
Would this be equivalent to being an "insurance adjuster?" How much time do you spend in your vehicle/travel (and is it comped)? I figure this would be a travel-heavy and seasonal job?

>>508704030
Why does it look like it's 1" thick, or more? Usually you only use 7/16" on your roof. And those aren't factory trusses.

>>508707342
>1-5/8" x 3-1/2"
The US stopped using nominal 2x4's in the 60's when all of the old hardwood was used up.

>>508703628
Spics will be quick to blame Chinese nails.

>>508703464 (OP)
>sorry kiddo but my house that I bought and now own over 40 years ago was made by whites, it's a small price you have to pay for my fat worthless fucking ass to inhale tacos 2x a week, yummy yum, bootstraps bucko, lol!!!

>>508703628
Wrap the ground floor in plywood sheathing before framing the next floor and this doesn't happen.

>>508707279
>t. virgin

>>508705533
Lol it's so true, white people cannot fucking roof. It's some combination of the drug addicts, being taller so we don't get proper roofers legs before back injuries or falling and inability to take the heat. We can barely manage painting without alcohol. It's always mexicans, they're fucking great at it. Yu can always tell whose in charge by who wears the biggest straw hat
You forgot:
>Stone/masonry/tile: White (non american).

>>508703464 (OP)
Working for judeoamerica is non-Aryan behavior

>>508703464 (OP)
conscript the work shy into a civil labour force, let them earn their welfare.

>>508703464 (OP)
These houses are everywhere the southwest, such shame. A Midwestern home built 50+ years ago is much more reliable

>>508707489
What's lignen?

>>508703575
Profit margins.

>>508704030
>luxury plywood

>>508707857
my sides

no hay problema pendejo

/diy/lets abound in this thread. This is actually correct for new roofs. You put a vent over the top and it lets hot air escape the attic space. Fucking retarded racists itt lmao.
Try picking up a hammer and doing some real work for a change instead of being a manbabby living in mommy's basement.

>>508704955
>I don't imagine that house is gonna last long, especially if its a humid environment
That's because you are a retard who doesn't know shit about fuck. A house like that will last indefinitely as long as the owner takes care of basic upkeep like fixing any holes in the roof or broken windows.

>>508707857
lignen balls

>>508707857
lignen balls

>>508703741
They also cut at the line so things measured short will be even shorter so they start using random scraps of wood as spacers.

niggers

>>508703464 (OP)
pic rel is unironically the fault of white boomer/gen x who lead the job site. the laborers they use just makes the problem worse because they finish the job before reporting or finding any issue. by then it's too late and the job lead says "we can't start over or fix that now so just make it look nice on the outside" and they cover it up. all in the name of profit margins. time is money, wasted material is money. extra work is money. houses like that cost $500k after interest in bumfuck nowhere towns where the land was bought for dirt cheap and turned into suburbua by richfag developers overnight. then locals are priced out of their own hometown and have to leave if they ever want to own anything. the shitty laborers are merely a symptoms of the boomer/gen x greed.

>>508703628
Definitely made by Proud Boys

>>508707489
>You realize cast Iron and steel are just "iron and carbon" right?

>>508708133
>>508708192
Thank you.

>>508703628
It's the three little piggies story in real life.
I hate how literally everything in america is so garbage that even our houses are essentially made out of matchsticks.
And why?
Because it earns siverstienblattburg an extra quarter.

>>508703628
Americans and their tipping culture

>>508707646
My question is why wasn't the new lumber be milled to actual 2x4 instead of everything being smaller than what it actually says.

>>508704367
>Sweden
>some cold weather and a little breezy once in a while
>wow look at what our houses stand up to, we're incredible

>US mid atlantic
>100F and 99% humidity for half of the year
>snow the rest of the year
>hurricanes every year
>tornadoes on occasion
>LOL THESE AMERICAN HOMES FALL OVER CONSTANTLY HAHAHA

>>508703464 (OP)
All new builds are shit. All the western nations have exported construction to people who can barely wipe their ass.

>>508703758
That foam is really cool up in the mountains. My uncle made a cabin out of it. Light weight. Skinned it with faux wood and stucco. Cold in the summer warm in the winter.

>>508703464 (OP)
This is fine though. At the end of the day laborers have to work with the supplies the owners give them. Here in the US all these guys who own construction companies cheap out on material so they can have shit done quick and make an easy 200k+ and leave. But you cant really expect them to change when theres decent profit to be made, you would need regulations against using cheap materials but that would DECIMATE current home values. The houses built here genuinely are a ticking time bomb, but this started over 100 years ago.

>>508707210
What are you talking about? Most houses here have had plywood roofs for ages. You put a membrane over it and then asphalt shingles or sheet metal, it lasts for generations. There are plenty of houses on their 7th or 8th re-roofing without even replacing the wood, just the shingles.

>>508703464 (OP)
>pic
take a sheet of L-shaped metal, cut it to size, fasten it to the top
there, no Mexicans required, just using your fucking brain

>>508708636
>>100F and 99% humidity for half of the year
>>snow the rest of the year
>>hurricanes every year
>>tornadoes on occasion
All solved by building stone castles

>>508703464 (OP)
We'll hire the mexicans

Did you forget we can do that legally?

>>508703464 (OP)
It’s not like these fuckers come here right out of Mexican roofing school, or master plumbers.hss2j

>>508703464 (OP)
>those plumbcuts
>that ridgeline

>>508708636
>hurricanes every year
That's just everywhere coastal

>>508703561
Fake pic. The 1/2" sheeting is thicker than the 2x4s

>>508708602
I'm pretty sure it's mostly for standardization because lots of wood dries differently. A 2x4 out of pine will dry to a different thickness compared to a 2x4 out of cedar. I think the wood gets rough cut to a 2x4 and after it is dried and treated it is planed down to the 1-5/8 x 3-1/2 so that all wood "2x4"s are the same size making building easier.

Also to save money on shipping and yield per log I'm sure.

>>508703628
Oh no that’s Houston. Any info on the builder?

>>508703561
drinking 24 cervezas and smoking a few blunts before and during the shift ese
I'm surprised it's not a full curve desu
even the guy cutting the wood seems drunk, look at the middle rafters. I hope he didn't lose too many fingers

>>508703719
OSB (offset strand board) is stronger than plywood.
Ever notice that when a 2x4 cracks it follows the grain like a zipper? Thats eliminated with OSB.

>>508708891
>just hide it
The problem with that is most of the load of the roof is being taken by very few trusses. Over time it will settle and buckle the roof leading to even more issues. You can see it's already happening due to the gaps at the top of some trusses where they are being pried apart, while others are pinching. I bet those trusses aren't even engineered, and were built on-site by the same retards who raised them.

The entire house needs to be dismantled until problems stop being found. This roof is a write-off and unless they hired different framers for the walls (unlikely) the rest of the house is just as bad.

>>508703660
you guys dont even have houses, you live in apartments

>>508703464 (OP)
>We use the imperial measuring system here, Paco.

>>508703575
you wish it was plywood boris
plywood is unironically one of the best siding materials to work with
the exterior is obviously never plywood, and in good builds all framing is actual lumber, 8x8s, 2x6s etc
now they're pushing this engineered wood bullshit everywhere, even here and we certainly don't have a shortage of fucking trees

>>508703575
American homes are build to be torn down. It's almost as bad as Japan

>>508707558
This. I don't understand why OBS roofing became standard. The second a drop of water gets in, it deforms, rots, which lets more water in and you're fucked.
A roof is supposed to last you decades. Eventually, water WILL get in. You'll have very high snow, or rapid snow / melts, or hard rain with wind just in the wrong direction. There is not a single house that hasn't had water get in under the roofing.

My roof is hardwood boards. It doesn't care about even a lot of water getting in. Particle board like this means redoing large segments of your roof every time this happens.

>>508709458
>they're pushing this engineered wood bullshit everywhere, even here and we certainly don't have a shortage of fucking trees
That's because only the rich get hardwood. Us plebs get the left-overs.

>>508709323
100% with you, but what can they do at this point. the drunk pacos already fucked it up and for sure it will have structural issues in the future. I very much suspect the same "team" did all framing so it's all fucked up. Either hide it and try to jew out some insurance shmuck when it cracks, or eat up the cost and level it.

>>508703660
most houses in Sweden are built this exact same way you homo

>>508707210

Quality plywood is amazing, idk what to tell you. The secret to building wooden homes that last a very long time is not preventing the wood from getting wet -- that's impossible, no matter how many engineered solutions you throw at it -- it's about having ways for the wood to dry in a reasonable time frame. Airflow.

I've renovated a couple homes built in 1900-1940s with all wood framing and siding. They were drafty sure, but the lumber, siding, roof, floor, etc were all in great condition. Old houses get fucked up, and very quickly, when you insulate and "waterproof" them without know what you're doing. Old homes need careful attention with how you renovate them so that everything still has the ability to dry quickly, including brick. Can't tell you how many times people gut an old brick home, spray foam the interior side of the brick, and within two years the whole brick wall is declared structurally unsound because old brick needs to dry to the exterior AND interior or freeze/thaw will fuck them up royally.

>>508709731
What's insane is that those boards all come marked every direction so you can make sure you're lined up and have your dimensions at a glance.
The markings aren't super reliable and you still wanna make sure yo chalk line, but look at that roof in the OP. Nothing is even close to lining up.

>>508709458
Its about big lumber trying to make even more money repurposing the "unusable" parts of a tree after they get done cutting out the stick lumber.

>Ah not enough of the log left for a 2x4? Lets just shred the scrabs and make a chicken nugget amalgamation 2x4 and market it as "engineered lumber" so we can sell it for the same price as a normal 2x4.

>>508709289
Barely, and just its shear strength which isn't really important for roofing, that's what trusses are for. For a roof you want water resistance so you can repair a leak without replacing panels which is why you go with plywood. OSB for a shed floor is fine.

>>508703561
average Murican cheap million dorrar house.

>>508707682
The Mexicans are welcome to the roofing careers, sounds like a horrible job

>>508709731
Really depends on the circumstances. If it's part of a larger development it will definitely just get hidden and sold to some sucker. If it's a private build the inspector should raise a massive red flag and protect the homeowner, and it would go to court... but people are retards and will often go with an inspector recommended by the builder which is obviously a scam. The weak should fear the strong.

>>508703561
Pay as little as possible to illegal aliens, have them build it as quickly as possible.

>>508708081
Better than no hangers but damn, that is retarded.

>>508703628
What most amazes me with these is that these house are built without a single load bearing column. It's all 2x4s and nothing but 2x4s. Which are actually 1.5by3, most of them warped because no one dries to even 70% anymore.
and then they get shocked this happens. Adding just a few hardwood columns to support core beams and corners would prevent this. But that would cost like... 500$ more on a build that's selling for 500K. Oh no.

>>508703550
based virgin

>>508710177
>OSB for a shed floor is fine.
I just finished building a 119sqft shed, air conditioned, here in Bumblefuck, Tennessee... and I didn't use a single piece of OSB trash!

>>508710177
Exactly, roofs still need plenty of shear strength, especially if it is a gabled roof with a large flat end. Sheathing on the top of the truss won't prevent racking. Shear blocking or web runners provide the roofs shear strength.

>>508710494
Kek, any time you see a beaner building trusses on site you are 100% guaranteed to have major issues since they just cut to measure and measure to cut as they go. I've seen roofs over a foot out of square before. All to pocket another $2000 instead of having engineered and warrantied ones shipped to site.

>>508703464 (OP)
So I'm someone who hires illegals to build these homes because I hate other white people and that crooked design is actually the way it's supposed to be ok? If you have a problem you should be back to europe fucking mayo monkeys.

>>508710714
I've built several rooves using both straight lumber and also with trusses (helping family, I am still a blue collar electrician/rentoid) — the only acceptable use of the former is for sloped, single-pitch rooves (i.e. no apex).
All others, use trusses.

>>508707304
The drop in general housing demand from removing 50 million+ illegals would pull prices down more than the hike in labor costs would raise them. The boomers running this racket would cry foul at the golden days of throwing up a shitbox for 50 grand and flipping it for 450 are over, but the rest of us would be fine.

>>508710567
Load bearing columns aren't going to keep a building from racking if there are no shear walls, it doesn't look like there are any in that building as there are no large flat surfaces to push on, that was just horizontal pressure on the studs kek.

>>508710609
Based. I don't use it either, I built my shed and fully insulated chicken coop out of 4x4s, 2x4s, and 3/4 ply, anchored to concrete.

>>508705163
That's some gourmet shit right there kek

>>508710947
You can build houses in Mexico instead.

>>508703464 (OP)
look at that workmanship! they must have so much pride!

>>508711198
Mine isn't without its faults (it IS a shed, still), but the 20ft LVL (it's like 12"H x 6"W) supporting the extended roof always makes me smile (roof is just under 400 sqft~, for a 120ft sqft structure).
My shed is THICC (it also has internal 9"H x 4"W headers above the 2x4 walls, parallel to the main porch section). I love it.

>>508710644
Yup. We get hurricanes here pretty regularly so when I upgraded my gable venting (got some free 14x14 industrial ones from work, with flapper vents) I stripped the siding and added another layer of ply for the fuck of it, and added even more gussets to the trusses from inside the attic. Not that it needed it, but it's a great way to use up offcuts that are otherwise garbage.

>>508710644
That picture is very racist

>>508703561
Through hiring illiterate third world labor on the cheap.

>>508703578
It's something your immoral people exploit

>>508708195
I never worked construction but are you not supposed to cut at the line? What is the line for, then?

>>508707286
very true. and nothing is truly level or perfect in the end. but people find it difficult to justify the price of hundreds of thousands even millions of dollars when you aren't getting something that's perfect. some peoples' solution is to not care and make more money, others is to build themselves, and another option is to cut cost however you can since imperfection is inevitable.

>>508711573
Awesome, anon. There are few things better than taking pride in something you built... nobody else is going to put in as much effort or care, it's the way to go.

I'm building a little boathouse this year (don't need a permit for under 205 sq ft) and am really looking forward to it.

6 million legal curryjeets could easily insulate that with enough poo

>>508708119
Ok,Pablo.

>>508703464 (OP)
That's AI.

Those sheets of OSB would weigh 300lbs.

>>508703561
Can't see it from my house.

>>508703464 (OP)
Build it yourself? I mean it's shitty anyways but at least it's pure American shit. And who knows... Over the decades... Or centuries.. You'll learn how to build whole houses too? Wow! Wouldn't that be great?

>>508709771
Yea but he's not wrong, is he? That's still a 3rd world nation.

>>508712093
It's probably 1-1/8 board but cut at an angle with a reciprocating saw, making them look 25% thicker. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of swelling from rainfall too, this is likely an abandoned build in legal limbo. Hence the photo.

>>508712433
Nah the angle is all wrong. That's fake as shit.

>1900s-1940s
>You could buy all the raw materials, tools, fasteners, fixtures and step-by-step instructions for building a house out of a fucking catalog. Everything would show up pre-cut, pre-drilled, ready for assembly in a few weeks and you could assemble, plumb, wire, and finish it in under a month.
>Adjusted for inflation, a premium four-bedroom kit home cost the equivalent of $20K
>Today that house is probably still standing, has probably only been updated 2-3 times to stay up to code and styles, and is worth half a million dollars
>That same half a million dollars today will buy you a shitheap of barely-joined, ill-fitting 2x4s and particle board that will fall apart in the first light breeze

>>508703578
Mexican labor is what makes all meat and produce production function in the US. Meat packing is like old manufacturing jobs. Physically difficult high paced and extremely repetitive. Almost all produce production requires human hands. Unlike things such as onions beans. If you want meat and dont want to be a onions boy you had better praise Mexican labor. Papa Trump don't care how much you have to pay for food. Or "Groceries" as he likes to call it.

>>508703640
Sure as hell won't be any Incel basment dwellers stepping up to work.

>>508709062
probably the only useful comment

>>508712547
It's just upscaled (likely in-phone, maybe after the fact) and a shitty little sensor. Everything checks out... look at the tiny details like splinters at the truss peaks, all the paint marks on the panels are normal. They also follow the wavy pattern of the offset trusses. This is a real photo, just a very shitty one.

>>508703561
Slics pack off all the good limber and supplies, leave the work half done for weeks and it gets rained on and warps. The jews that own the construction company just hire more spics to cover up the bad work. Still charge 3 million for a 2 bed 1 bath house. Literally will fall apart the first year there. Water draining into the walls/floors, electrical wired poorly and since they stole the copper wore to buy beers and weed they used the aluminum wore and you get a fire the first time you use an air fryer. They do also hire a few niggers for the government mandates and tax breaks but they just smoke weed somewhere and take a nap and show up when its time to go home.

Get good at something in construction and you will never run out of work fixing everything the mexicans half assed or fucked up and painted over.

>>508709056
lol no
europe feels as many tropical storms in a decade as the southeast US does in a season

>>508712940
I would argue they see none, since it's nowhere near the tropics

>>508711808
>others is to build themselves
I've built structures for several family members.
This is the expensive way to damage relations.
A few years ago I started requiring family to get outside bids, and then would always make my own bid non-competitive.
I'm just an electrician that knows enough to be dangerous (particularly in other trades), but so far none of them have burnt down =P

>>508703464 (OP)
Americans have done fine without Mexican labor.
It's American businesses that would be fucked.
American businesses that hire illegals should be put out of business.
I don't care how much grass they cut or how many donuts and hamburgers they serve.

>>508704793
R-rare?
>Termites
>>508704471
>Dies of mold

>>508707196
What does the GC do, buy off the inspector?

>>508711587
Good shit, people don't know you can actually make your home stronger and give it a longer lifespan even after its completed. I own a company that builds hurricane resistant houses out of steel on the islands which is why I'm so autistic about construction in this thread.

The number of houses that are still roofless after Maria is insane. People built their homes out of reinforced concrete block but put a wood framed roof that just blew off during the storm. A Simpson H1A hurricane tie on each side of the wood rafters/trusses would have kept the roof on 90% of the homes that lost their roof in the storm.

>>508713043
Electricians are corrupt
You are no different than mechanics and doctors.
You can't help it your industries teach you to hate people for a buc and a pickup truck.

>>508703464 (OP)
they hiring dominicans and puerto ricans.

Trust me i know

>>508707451
Underrated post.

>>508710494
>I know a race who can do it cheaper

>>508703575
they get what they pay for. Nothing to do with the contractor.

>>508709056
how many hurricanes hit denmark in last decade anon?

>>508703578
something you rats have never done in life

work hard.

>>508712093
Image predates ChatGPT. I believe it was taken after a hurricane

>>508703561
Wondering if this is a re-roofing. House could have settled over 10+ years and things get a bit wonky.

>>508703741
>>508703561
humidity

read physics, niggers

>>508703464 (OP)
So no more taco bells?

>>508712751
Dimensional 2x4s are only 1.5" thick and you're looking at them from a shallow angle. 1-1/8" OSB isn't ripped down stock, it's manufactured so actually is the stated thickness. Add water swelling to the mix and this is what it looks like. You can already tell there's water damage by how much the OSB is conforming to the trusses... look at how much it's sagging, it has no fight left. This roof's cooked and they stopped working on it.

AI would fuck up so many nuanced details here, this is a real photo taken with a photato.

>>508703561
Jose telling the GC not to buy the trusses from 84 Lumber and fabbing them in the driveway instead.

>>508703628
This is why I don't give a shit about this country lmao. That will be $650,000 + tip/interest, thank you for your attention to this matter.

>>508709072
>Houston

>>508703464 (OP)

#boycott taco tuesday

>>508707305
I don't see any nail plates where they line up. I don't think those are trusses.

>>508704528
kek

>>508703464 (OP)
>>508703561
That's a ridge vent to vent the attic, morons. Almost every home has one

>>508714086
7/10 You'll get someone with it.

>>508709992
I'll be. The leaf is right.

>>508703628
Forget about it's a house of cards, but if it is just wood stuck together, shouldn't you at least impregnate it.
Or it will collapse on its own before any insect damage so it's not an issue anyway.

>>508703561
Mexicans can't read numbers I guess.

>>508711803
You want to cut a little over the line to account for blade thickness. If you fuck it up and cut too far above you can just sand it down to size.
If you have a really thin band saw you can cut at the line. At worst your finished cut is off by ten-thousandths to thousandths of an inch.

>>508713504
Last decade? 3 That were classified as "orkan". But I'm having a hard time trying to find a direct correlation between our rating scale and the American one.
As far as I can tell, there is at least one fall-storm a year in Denmark that would qualify as category 3 or 4 on the Saffir-Simpson-scale.

>>508713817

>>508714149
>what is a ridge vent

>be amerifat
>go 50 years into mortgage denbts paying 1mil+tax+tip+tariff to buy a looney tunes house made of shit and sticks by spics that will get blown away by some wind
>only to end up seeing spics, niggers and other mystery meat on a daily basis

Grim.

>>508710494
0:09 always amazes me. I don't think I could force myself to do that if I was blind drunk.

>>508703561
Job security.

>>508703464 (OP)
these houses were made to host more mexicans anyway

>>508703464 (OP)
>How will the US survive without Mexican labor?
Same way we built it w/o Mexican labor.

>>508703464 (OP)
By paying workers a living wage that they pay taxes on and spend in the economy thus growing the economy as a whole instead of throwing money at slave labor that pays no taxes and sends it all home.

>>508714352
Amerifats inherit houses their grandparents bought for 10k

get you're facts right.

>>508714282
I see, thanks.

>>508714586
Amerifats get thrown out like stray dogs once they turn 18

>>508711928
>There are few things better than taking pride in something you built
Thanks, anon! I'm definitely crazy (e.g. having spent so much time on this) but it is making a fantastic office/workshop, and was a great method of mourning parental loss.
The roof slopes from 8ft tall to 12ft tall, over 18ft span... which allowed me to build a lofted bed (~8ft x 30in)... which allowed to creatively build a shelf/ladder (to climb up).
Spent less than $5000; would have cost multiples more than that (for a shittier outcome) if I hadn't done everything (!!!) myself.
Thanks for motivating me to share/humblebrag/build.
picrel — doing the roof next month (aluminum R panels)!

>>508714541
>By paying workers a living wage
Cannot be done, increasing wages causes inflation expectations to rise, this causes interest rates to rise, in a credit/debt based system, interest rates rising means the game ends.
Structurally the system you live in, needs lower wages to keep the "money printing" game going. Some people are allowed to do this, and someone needs to lose.
The losers are wagies.

>>508703464 (OP)
That will show in the roof

>>508703856
Thats MDF lol

>>508711803
they forget about the saw blade width

>>508713301
Hurricane Juan fucked up my neck of the woods pretty badly in 2004. That was before I owned my house though, but I got the stories from the guy across the water from me. We're on the ocean here, and apparently the storm surge was halfway up our driveway. Not worried about it though, the house itself is another 20 feet higher than that. If it ever floods, half of the province would be underwater. It would have to be a tsunami not just storm surge. We've had a few lesser hurricanes since and the water has only been about 2' deep at the foot of the driveway.

This is why I'm putting my boathouse (which will be at the edge of the water obviously) on concrete pilings. I'm working on a draft for it and one of the major features is excessive strength for high winds. It's only 10x20 so easy to spend a little extra to make it strong.

>>508713896
Holy shit, you are correct memeflag. They probably built those fuckers on site.

>>508704528
Kek that’s not funny!

>>508714330
Soul, soulless.

>>508703561
"measure once, cut twice"
>bean logic
>they work by the hour

>>508713271
My area's top custom-home builder used to employ half of our local inspectors — I've had permits approved without them ever crossing the threshhold ("how's ole GC doing, anon?!").
But when I build a family home independant of GC, they raked me over the fucking coals!

>>508703464 (OP)
Never buy a track home. Every square inch has been used as a toilet. T. ex contract plumber. I have quite literally seen shit you wouldn't believe. But they mostly just drop trowe and take one in the bathtub. Mexicans are too lazy to walk the 80 feet to the porta johns they park all over the sight. The rest they use for a urinal.

>>508706956

>Wood and steel frame construction is an objectively superior method of construction compared to stacking rocks like they do in third world shithole nigger countries like yours.
>t. coping muttoid

Bricks and reinforced concrete is the best way to create a house. You can cope all you want, but our "stacked rocks" will outlast your plywood houses. The white men build stuff using stones, bricks and concrete. Tell me, do you faggots not read "The Three Little Pigs" to your kids?

>>508715049
I moved down here around 3 years ago, the largest storm I've been through wase a category 1 last year that only knocked power out for a day.

I'm more scared of a serious earthquake hitting us than a huge hurricane. 99% of the homes here area are built using bricks and block. If an earthquake the size of the one that hit Haiti in 2008, 75% of the buildings on this island will pancake.

Since we build out of steel, all of our buildings will be fine but its still a scary thought.

>>508703464 (OP)
Kek

>>508714734
Fucking awesome, I'm proud of you. You sound like a tinkerer... I'm the same way. Nothing beats custom, for cool factor as well as fun. I always work slowly, often changing designs on the fly to make them more fun. Been working out how to put a small deck on my roof that I can access via ladder from my upstairs hallway.

Here's the inside of my chicken coop. I made a completely unnecessary automatic heater. Only turns on when there's a bird on the perch (beam break detector on a thermostat and 2 relays) and only when it's below -8C. It's all very safe (used fiberglass and aluminum for the shield) but even then I added an Arduino sensor that will turn on a water sprinkler and pop the coop door open if it detects a very specific wavelength of light (wood/hay fire). It also alerts my phone as well as a wireless doorbell in my house. All scratch built, I don't do off-the-shelf shit.

>>508715699
Nice.

What do you do for work.

>>508703628
That's what happens when you don't put vertical mulch up before starting the second shit tier floor

>>508715049
>This is why I'm putting my boathouse (which will be at the edge of the water obviously) on concrete pilings. I'm working on a draft for it and one of the major features is excessive strength for high winds. It's only 10x20 so easy to spend a little extra to make it strong.
It's so incredible that local framing crews skimp out on strongtying the roof down!
I know you won't make the same mistake, anon.

>>508710714

The builder I went through made a point of highlighting that they use pre-assembled trusses for the roof. Also the quality of lumber they used was great, all of it straight without twists and bows

>>508703561
By not caring.
Why should they?

It will still pass inspection somehow and some beta cuck will pay half a million in principle, x3 that or more in interest, plus tip to the realtor.

>>508703628
Three joggers were jogging through that construction site and tragically passed away. Give me a moment and I will post the article. RIP Deshauntae Johnson, Marcus Jackson and Tyronius Sinclair Brown.

>>508704793
What if you added Diatomaceous Earth into the foam or coat it in Diatomaceous Earth? It kills termites but is safe for humans and pets

>>508715619
>But they mostly just drop trowe and take one in the bathtub ... too lazy to walk the 80 feet to the porta johns they park all over the sight. The rest they use for a urinal.
I wish you were wrong, anon (you're not).
My favoritest "wife on-site" story is when she opened up the toilet (plumbed but no water supply, yet) to the nastiest bean-burrito surprise ever. You could hear her yelp across the entire 6k-sqft mansion!

>>508703464 (OP)
That'll be 700k plus tip.

>>508703561
amigo what is 3 and 22/32 inches? 3 inches work good okay?

>>508714795
You're not immune to propaganda.

>>508715864
I used to work in engineering/machining but quit that to be more self-sufficient. I do a lot of odd projects, most of which I couldn't post without doxxing myself.


I guess picture Ben Heck but not fat and I don't know how to code very well, kek.

>>508703561
It's called being a jobsworth. They should have put a ridge beam in.

>>508715699
>Been working out how to put a small deck on my roof that I can access via ladder from my upstairs hallway.
We tinker together, anon — I was exploring the same idea for this shed (accessible via a skylight) and still haven't entirely ruled it out, yet... it'll be an on-the-fly decision (and a waterproofing nightmare BUT THIS IS WHAT WE LIVE FOR, RIGHT?!) that won't be made until next month's roofing supplies arrive.
Does a spoilt chicken (i.e. your coop) lay better-tasting eggs (I would recon: yes)?

>>508716202
I'm sure it would work but there's no real reason to do that if you think about it. The product is meant to be used in areas where there are no termites, making it termite proof would just be a waste of money that makes the product more expensive.

>>508710494
that will be $700.000 plus tip

>>508704793
I have worked on a couple Nudura builds and they are fascinating. Really cool concept and would definitely build with it if I wasn't broke

>>508714734
tf is this?
you bring 4chan alongside in the real world ?

>>508716083
Yeah, they are assembled on a massive table jig. If a piece of lumber rocks at all it is returned to the supplier. Definitely the way to go for a large crew that builds regularly. For a lone gun you can do just as good on your own, provided you had a flat surface. I've never seen one remotely big enough on a job site though, even most parking lots aren't flat enough.

>>508703561
>How does that even happen?
lmao not a single one of you has ever worked with your hands or thrown a shingle in your life, have you?
have you ever wondered what the round bulge that runs across the top seam of your roof is?

>>508703758
imagine the fire

>>508714347
So that's where my farts go

>>508703464 (OP)
Same concept as meme related.
>Who will pick our cotton? Guess we better i.port more niggers.
ngmi

>>508710494
Ontario Canada is similar

>>508708081
kek, that's a new one

>>508717059
Yeah I've also got Peep the Toad™ ("for when you can't afford high-quality genuine memes") and Luigi ("Patron Saint of Denials") on the back of my paid-off Camry.
I really enjoy watching (most) people smile, in my rearview mirror.
My state recently passed a law which severely penalizes written hate speech (I'm not a hater, the law is just vague AF), so I've stopped posting in public places.
Color laser and laminator are among my favorite possessions =D

>>508703464 (OP)
We can exploit the beaners on their own soil the same way we exploited Chinese slave labor.

>>508716925
It's almost twice that amount.

>>508703464 (OP)
That’s horrible. But I see more and more of it on newer construction. Pre 2000 home? The lines, plumb and angles are perfect nearly every time. Post 2005 or so? Not so much. Recently built custom homes are still quality construction.

>>508703628
They should have put sheeting up on the corners and that bracing is pretty shitty
Even then that shit was water logged and the wind was blowing just right to push it over like that
it’s actually better to sheet the first floor before building up because it provides a lot of rigidity so it doesn't rack or blow out

>>508713544
just like spics

>>508714713
You are Russian in denial.

>>508703856
OSB (what you call particle board) is actually a good building material.

>>508703464 (OP)
housing has been shit for years because of cheap mexican labor

>>508716826
>waterproofing
Yeah, that's the big thing. And building codes, which I think I have figured out for this project. It's just a pipe dream at the moment and won't happen until I replace my roof which won't be another 15 years probably. I'll go metal roof. I hope you can make it happen, sounds like fun.

Yeah man, pampered hens lay more regularly (I have 6 birds and get 5-6 eggs per day) and taste infinitely better than store bought. Plus chickens are actually kind of intelligent and display traits of self-awareness and even empathy... they are nice animals and should be treated nicely. They have an acre to free roam on until dusk, they have it easy.

Pic rel is my egg count from yesterday. Chickens are getting plenty of calcium, you can tell by the bumps on some of the eggs. Pretty sure it's from eating snails.

>>508717036
I built a house with/for my brother, into the side of a mountain; so, 10ft stem walls (~8" thick IIRC).
He thought we'd save money building our own concrete forms (instead of e.g. Nudura), and it was such an expensive nightmare (we literally drill holes at the corner of every sqft, to pass support wire through).
He designed these stem walls using an Army field assembly guide... the only way this would save any money is when your labor is practically free ("enlisted").
Use the proper tools, anons.

>>508709289
Nigger, OSB is trash compared to plywood. And God forbid you get it fucking wet ever.

>Oh shit my roof leaked and now I have catastrophic damage.

>>508717267
The first 4 are sandwiches. The last 5 aren't. Simple as.

>>508714938
That's LDF/Particle board retard

>>508703856
particle board is made of horse shit and glue
chip board is wood chips and glue
plywood is like toilet paper and has sheets of wood shaved off of logs and laminated in crossgrain layers.
which is the strongest?

>>508710567
>Load bearing columns
>Is confused by stick framing
>Canadian
VPN chink detected

>>508717867
D-do you haf any med from cow shit, saar?

>>508717267
>>508717792
wrong meme, fuuuuuck

>>508717239
>>508714347
SMELLY Muttmerica roof!
Disgusting.

>>508717682
The main think with the Nudura form included having rhe insulation but the plastic webbing is great. It doesn't sit quite well for us in the UK for 600mm or 400mm centres but you can slap cladding on the outside and plasterboard on the inside directly to the insulation. Mad making all the firms yourself, must have been a nightmare trying to stop blow outs too

>>508703464 (OP)
The trusses are premanufactured before being delivered to site. It is not a typical to have wonky measurements especially with modern houses with all the cut ins and stuff

>>508717867
>which is the strongest?
Presuming you can keep it dry (you cannot), OSB is technically strongest.
But there's a reason it's cheaper, anons. The world is never perfect, and OSB swells up / rots LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER.
"There is no such thing as water-proofing, only water-management. And water only ever obeys gravity."

>>508704054
>buying 2K plywood on 10K plot dpr 500000$
>I'm rich!
Burgers cannot be real they are the simulation to the world

>>508705533
>t. Faggot

>>508703464 (OP)
Kek

>>508718219
Aww dang.

>>508718258
>Mad making all the firms yourself, must have been a nightmare trying to stop blow outs too
The maddest part was not even finishing all the stringers UNTIL A FEW HOURS BEFORE the concrete/pumper showed up. Surprisingly, we had ZERO blow-outs (but it was nerve-racking AF).
This is Tennessee, though, so of course we also parked trucks against the bottom at the most-concerning locations =P

>>508717682
Kek, this man has seen some shit.

>>508706966
No.

>>508703599
Skilled construction labor is never coming back. The market has always been the determining factor of labor costs, not the supply of available labor. If we kicked out every Mexican, we’d just have niggers or retarded white people doing the same shit work.

Construction workers in current year don’t posses the innate skills required to be proficient at framing. Inb4 “I frame houses and I’m good at it.” You’re also too retarded to understand generalizations.

The class of people you see building houses are just smart enough to work as general labor. That is, they can feed themselves and won’t drown in the bathtub. But farm labor was mechanized eons ago, so they moved to factories. That was a great move for many; some really are smarter than the next guy and can handle more than just taking boxes from a conveyor belt and placing them in a bigger box.

Of course, factory work was offshored to Asia. That left an entire class of retards without a way to earn money. So now they have three viable choices: become a homeless drug addict (very popular), drive a truck, or “muh trades.”

It’s why so many homeowners take on simple projects despite not wanting to waste the time. Why would I set a toilet or hang a door myself when I could easily afford to pay someone else and time is the most precious resource? Because whatever dumbfuck they send over won’t be able to do it correctly because he’s borderline retarded.

>>508718435
haha

>>508717681
I don't use a lot of eggs (maybe a few dozen annually), but a neighbor of mine barters eggs with me — they're definitely tastier (and don't require refrigeration).
Thanks for the fun memories, anon; gonna go work on my shed now (you've unfortunately motivated me to think more about building my shed-roof-deck — I didn't 16"oc my roof for nothin!)

>>508718219
You're about to see this play out in real time
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/supervised-toothbrushing-for-children-to-prevent-tooth-decay

>>508718659
This. The best construction you'll see outside of major commercial is some farmer and his buddies doing it on a budget. Even 90% of those are shit though, because the population is majority-NPC.

>>508718807
Godspeed, anon. It was fun talking with you. I'll be out working on shit in about 3 hours myself.

>>508707451
holy kek

>>508718810
>be me
>grow up in canada in 80s and 90s
>school comes up with 4 programs:
>vaccination program (causing autism, infertility)
>milk program (female growth hormone)
>fluoride program (turns you into zombie)
>unicef program (collect money for jews, for free)

Just waiting for a Hitler.

>>508718637
We joked, on-site, that "this is our 'Nam."
Probably the most-dangerous part of this was when we were between the excated mountain and the forms —you can only shore so much into elevation.
We live in a temperate rainforest (Appalachia), and fucked ourselves up trying to "save money."
>Seen some shit
I imagine you have, as well, fren. We've all been forced to do things out of necessity.

>>508719099
>appalachia
Oh fuck, I imagined Arizona or Colorado or something... you aren't kidding, you took on a hell of a lot. How has it been water-wise? I'm East Coast and know how the granite is here and how much water it can hold. Badass, man.

>>508717420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU5K4mKHMBo

>>508703575
For the insurance money, stupid.

>>508718892
>It was fun talking with you.
Absolutely the same to you. One of the few times where I've wanted to IRLfren a fren from here.
I just went up the roof, and it's 98°F (for fuck's-sake!) so I'm gonna go print some shedmemes instead (but still need to get off computer) =P

>>508717131
The top seam of my roof doesn't have a round bulge, because it was built before such garbage.

>>508709289
OSB loses all of its advantages over time. Plywood is much more resilient, which is what's important. "Strength" is almost meaningless simply because everything is engineered to meet spec. You need building materials that will last the test of time and for a house that means it needs to handle elemental abuse. OSB is really soft wood and glue. Pests beeline towards OSB because it breaks down quicker than other materials. It swells like MDF when wet. It's shit.

>>508719703
Warms my heart Anon, no joke. Keep posting in the construction crisis threads, I always lurk in them and post random shit. I'm sure your parents would be proud of what you're doing.

>>508719912
Yup. You don't see any outboard motor mounts made out of OSB but ply will last for years if you seal it.

>>508719421
>How has it been water-wise?
There are two primary levels (cut into earth) so we have two levels of french drains —each with a primary and secondary (backup) 4" drilled PVC.
Metal roof (definitely do this, it doesn't cost anymore if you're DIYing it — & lasts forever) sheds the water so very well that the little bit of earth seepage is barely noticeable at the drain exits.
We did this all almost a decade ago —no way I'd have the energy to do this again (which is why this year's shed is so damn small —I wanted to see if I could even still survive in this heat).
>Granite on east coast
None of that here — instead it's all red clay (which swells like a MF) — concrete void space ALL THE SLABS!@