Thread 508709719

Climate change is real.
Yes, it happens constantly throughout history. But not so fast.
Stop deceiving people by showing random pictures of the weather forecast for 2017 or 1989.
Every summer day is awfully hot. Maybe you were a Zoomer but back in the mid-2000s the average summer day was considered abnormally hot.
Winter is gone. No more snow, almost no negative temperatures. You may see it as a good thing, but in fact it destroys nature, especially plants. Traditional agriculture is simply not possible today.
I’m not some Greta Tunberg or green tech. Most eco-activists are fools and probably work for the government. Most green technologies are terribly harmful (except for the windmills, which for some reason Trump hates, they’re pretty good, but don’t overestimate them). Nothing will help. Collapse is inevitable.
The desert is growing.

>>508709719 (OP)
uh oh better introduce those carbon taxes and bugs on the menu

>>508709719 (OP)
>The desert is growing.
Haha sucks for you, we're getting record rain year after year and getting greener.

>>508709719 (OP)
>The desert is growing.
it grows in one area and dissapears in another. this is a water planet. the more heat the more water vaporises into the air from the oceans which ultimately drops somewhere.

co2 can be up to 4 times higher for best plant growth.

>>508709786
why the fuck are you posting graphs from the last 100 years. completely irrelevant. you need charts that show hundreds of thousands to millions of years.

>>508710035
>uh oh better introduce those carbon taxes and bugs on the menu
I don’t care, it won’t work. It’s just smoke and mirrors that distract people. Perhaps even to deceive themselves, convince themselves that everything will get better.
>>508710211
>>508710434
Meme that we are not becoming a desert but the jungle is not true. Warming occurs so fast that nature will not be able to adjust to new conditions.
>>508710514
During these 100 years there has been a very sharp warming.

>>508710764
>Warming occurs so fast that nature will not be able to adjust to new conditions.
The earth has suffered far more severe and rapid temperature shifts than this mate and nature is still here.

>>508709719 (OP)
we are getting dinosaurs back, do you hate dinasaurs or something?

>>508711054
Nature will eventually stay here, human civilization will disappear.

It’s all so tiresome…
30 years of doom shilling, and not a single one of their predictions have ever been right.
Climate “scientists” have as much to do with actual science as astrologers.

>>508709719 (OP)
>Stop deceiving people
You first.

>>508709719 (OP)
>in and around
did Madrid change at all? is there more of madrid around the meteorological measuring sites than before? can anything have changed to cause an increase in measured temperature other than GLOBAL CATASTROPHIC MANMADE DEVIL GAS DEATH?

>>508710514
Because that would destroy the narrative. It would show that CO2 changes lag temperature changes, they’re not a driver. It would show that current temperatures aren’t anything out of the ordinary. It would show that even higher temps/CO2 don’t involve any goddamned tipping point.
It would remind people that we’re living in the middle of a fucking ICE AGE and for the vast majority of the Earth’s history the planet was warmer, wetter, greener, and far more biodiverse.
And then the death cultists that infest the “green” nonprofits and academia who want to end technological society and kill off billions of people would no longer have an argument.

>>508711407
>not a single one of their predictions have ever been right.
this. its a religion for them, a cult that can ignore its own failed predictions even more effectively than the jehovahs witnesess.

>>508711054
>The earth has suffered far more severe and rapid temperature shifts
This is not true when it comes to warming.
>>508711407
>Climate “scientists” have as much to do with actual science as astrologers.
Most of them are definitely lying. Just like you.
I don’t urge you to do anything other than find the safest place for you and your family.
I’m not even sure if it’s due to an anthropogenic factor. I don’t think it can be stopped. If it can be stopped and it goes away because of a person, no one will take real action. It’s too uncomfortable right now, even for the sake of better life for generations to come. By the way, I think the low birth rate in most of the world has the same nature.

>>508711937
Did the dinosaurs produce radioactive pollution that decomposes over millions of years? Chemical pollution that destroys soil for centuries and thousands of years?

>>508711937
i read about this the other day

https://www.dri.edu/ice-patches-on-beartooth-plateau-reveal-how-ancient-landscape-differed-from-todays/

shows how things were warmer not that long ago so that mature forests grew a much higher elevations than they do at the moment.

>>508709719 (OP)
Remember when you tards were pushing "consensus" just for everyone to learn the notion was from a 'study' by a college dropout and political cartoonist from Australia. Who was shamed into going back to get a degree and picked "psychology" like every other brainlet 'science fan'.

insurance adjuster here.

>climate change isnt real

i dont really care if its manmade or natural. your premiums are going up because my actuary tables says you live in a flood zone now.

>>508712452
>Did the dinosaurs produce radioactive pollution that decomposes over millions of years?
You know things like uranium are radioactive, right? This planet was radioactive before the dinosaurs ever roamed. Did you skip basic science in high school mate?

>>508709719 (OP)
>why is this enormous expanding slab of concrete getting hotter

>>508709719 (OP)
Yes they will all be desert that's for abandoning your desert homelands and becoming first a jungle monkey then a bricks and jungle monkey

Now humanity will live like I grow up, in a dry and desolate land of dust tornadoes

>>508709719 (OP)
>Every summer day is awfully hot.
Damn, send some of that heat my way.

>>508712677
This. Cities are concrete jungles with very little vegetation.
>>508709719 (OP)
Come out to the smaller villages with a lot of vegetation. It's way cooler than in the cities.
I'm fairly convinced that it's only an issue in the cities.

>>508712132
Anon, I’m not lying. I know far more about this than you do. I’ve read the “foundational” papers these faggots wrote back in the 90s that started this mess. I’ve seen how they cherry picked their data, played games with the statistics and p-hacked the shit out of it until they “found” a signal in the data. I saw them pull the “fact” that tree ring widths correlate to temperature straight out of their hairy assholes and use that to rewrite the historical temperature narrative. And then constantly rewrite the historical temp record that was based on thermometer readings to “fix” it so it supported their narrative. I’ve read the Climategate emails where they admit to colluding to alter the data, hide results that didn’t fit the narrative, and shut out anyone not following the script.
I know that the physics behind their claims is flat out wrong, because the greenhouse effect due to CO2 is logarithmic, not exponential or even linear. What they claim is simply not physically possible.
I’ve seen their dogshit Global Climate Models that are so bad they can’t even hindcast. What that means is if you start the models running in 1940 and adjust for the way conditions changed they do not produce current climate conditions when you run them forward. And this is what they are basing all of their predictions on. Not science, but the output of models they know don’t work.
And they lie through their fucking teeth about the accuracy of their results, when the margin of error on their measurements and outputs is an order of magnitude higher than the values they claim to be measuring. In any actual science that would lead to the results being dismissed out of hand because they’re meaningless. But not in climate “science.”
Every prediction has failed for 30 years. The conditions predicted by their models do not occur in the real world.
It’s pure junk science.

>>508709719 (OP)
oh no all our enemies will fry while we have milder winters (only -20)

>>508709719 (OP)
>>508712452
Hey retard, did you know that mountainous regions have forests underneath them that are buried in 40+ft in snow? Sometimes when hiking up there in different spots you can see the tops of the trees sticking out. If the earth has only been warming and continuing to warm, how the fuck is there a forest buried underneath 40+ft of snow year-round for decades and decades straight if not longer?

Use your brain, numbnuts.

>>508712650
>Did you skip basic science in high school mate?
Do you? In the natural world, uranium is hundreds of times less radioactive than after use. It’s often in low concentrations, incredibly deep. It doesn’t come into contact with the biosphere. Every nuclear power plant and waste disposal site is an ecological disaster. But I don’t think anyone will close them. Hopefully one day we will be able to get rid of the radioactive contamination that we created.

>>508713256
>the greenhouse effect due to CO2 is logarithmic, not exponential or even linear.
yeah this 100%. when you find out what the absorption capacity of CO2 means you have to wonder how this con keeps on going

>>508710434
>>co2 can be up to 4 times higher for best plant growth.
>assumes soil quality and water supply are homogenous
ngmi

>>508709719 (OP)
Schau dir mal den Sommer 2003 an, dann kannst weiterreden Benjamin.

Its almost like as more of the city is paved and developed the hotter it gets

1900: 500,000
2025: 3.5 million

>>508711937
>doesn't understand basic calculus
many such cases

>>508713256
They purposefully misread the studies that don't take the evaporative cooling cycle into account. The ocean is the great regulator. Also, it doesn't matter. The more co2 the more plants the more oxygen. Ocean plants included. Its about controlling the population and really about deflecting from big plastic corporations and china which actually are damaging the environment and boosting cancer rates. Just like the trans identity movement is to deflect from all the companies that use cheap hormone altering chemicals.

>>508709719 (OP)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%BCrre_in_Mitteleuropa_1540
45°c in 1540 oy weh

>>508712512
People in fields like geology are quite well aware that most desertification is due to the lakes which were created by melting glaciers at the end of the last glacial period drying up. They weren’t “naturally” occurring lakes caused by the accumulation of runoff water that were self-sustaining. They were one time affairs that in most cases were doomed from the outset.
And the climate faggots completely ignore normal climate variability. A few thousand years ago the Sahara didn’t exist. It was savanna. Desertification happened shortly before the Egyptian civilization arose on the Nile. This has occurred in a regular cycle for hundreds of thousands of years, and has nothing whatsoever to do with humans or CO2 levels.

>>508709719 (OP)
This. Now factor in every other impending disaster. Peak oil. Overpopulation of niggers and non whites. White population implosion combined with mass immigration which will only get worse because 1. were running out of workers and 2. Nigger countries will be death zones due to agricultural collapse and rising temperatures around the equator. The death throes of the West in general and potential for conflict with the would be usurpers.

We’re living through the last months and years of the peak of human civilisation. I don’t think any of us can even comprehend fully what’s happening. This isn’t a “the end is nigh” larp.

It won’t be over in a bang. But we’re hitting the peak. It will become more and more difficult to produce enough to live the lifestyle we’ve lived up to now. Resources will become more and more tight. Funding and political/ economic will for research and advancement will dwindle. We will retreat as a civilisation and I’m afraid to say we will never develop the momentum again. It may not be a hundred years. Maybe not a thousand. But humanity as we know it is confirmed extinct in the relatively near future. We could’ve changed course. Maybe Hitler could’ve pulled it off. He certainly was aware of the catastrophe awaiting our species.


> If, with the help of his Marxist creed, the Jew is victorious over the other peoples of the world, his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity and this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men.

>Eternal Nature inexorably avenges the infringement of her commands.

>Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord

>>508713521
Because the vast majority of people are completely scientifically illiterate.

>>508710514
Retard we lived in forests thousands of years ago and didn’t exist millions of years ago. Complex agriculture was ONLY POSSIBLE in the last 7,000 years at the end of the ice age. We didn’t suddenly develop it with one guys bright idea. The environmental prerequisites simply didn’t exist before then.

Now this age of temperate climate, ideal for farming and civilisation, is coming to a rapid close. It could’ve gone on a lot longer but we accelerated the beating that always takes place anyway. Our agriculture will fail, lakes will dry up, and the cascade we’re already seeing from sociological reasons will accelerate.

without manmade global warming:
>climate change and agricultural collapse takes place hundreds if not thousands of years from now

With manmade climate change
>the collapse is coming, paired with race war, paired with great powers fighting to preserve themselves over the others. Paired with mass migrations of starving niggers from 50 degree c Congo and Nigeria and India.

>>508713419
Your country is likely to become the second Sahara.
>>508713244
>>508712677
true
>>508713256
There is a real fact of rising temperatures and the expansion of all deserts in the world. By the way, man-made methods reversing desertification does not exist.
>>508714020
>For eleven months
wow

Hurry up everybody
Start eating bugs and using paper straws
Whatever extra money you have give it to your government so they can study this and figure out things to do
Not much time left

>>508709719 (OP)
>>508711256
>>508711937
>>508712790

what if US and Norwegian HAARP devices are used in combination to CAUSE the climate change?

they bombard ionosphere with magnetic particles, changing its composition gradually

>>508715021
None of that will help. Besides, it’s too late now. Unironically the only thing that would help is if billions disappeared. But that would doom civilisation. But if they don’t civilisation is doomed anyway. But we’re ruled over by bleeding heart retards who are addicted to kicking cans down the road. It’s unironically over.

>>508713489
>Hey retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Kilimanjaro

>>508709719 (OP)
>pole shift is real.
Fixed it for you

>>508714835
No, temperatures aren’t rising. The fact is that the “scientists” constantly alter the readings from the satellite data upwards. This is documented in their own publications and has been well known for the last fifteen years. Historical temperatures are revised downwards while current data is modified upwards.
Desertification is largely due to the glacial lakes that appeared at the end of the last glacial period drying up. They weren’t formed “naturally” and they weren’t sustainable. And the process was happening long before we started industrializing.

>>508715215
Yes, every Pole under 60 made a shift to some more western country.

>>508712452
Did you know there is an entirely natural nuclear reactor in Africa?

>>508709719 (OP)
Stfu, retard.

>>508715327
>Desertification is largely due to the glacial lakes that appeared at the end of the last glacial period drying up. They weren’t formed “naturally” and they weren’t sustainable. And the process was happening long before we started industrializing.
idk I think it’s bullshit
The Aral Sea also disappeared for natural reasons?

>>508709719 (OP)
See pic. That's the carbon we use.
Can we go now? Got other bullshit to deal with.

>>508715547
wat?

>>508714656
>lakes will dry up
fucking retard the planet is 70pct water. if it's warm a lot of water evaporates and then it falls down again. lakes will never dry up. new lakes will come all the time. in fact the hotter it is the more lakes will come.

>>508714835
>Your country is likely to become the second Sahara

I'd like what you are smoking

>>508715173
Hey retard. We are living in an ICE AGE. That’s why there is ice at the poles. The normal state of the Earth is to be warmer and wetter and greener.
We just happen to be in an interglacial period right now. Which is overdue to flip back to another glacial period, by the way. We really don’t want it to get colder, anon. We really don’t. And removing greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere given that fact is nothing but playing Russian roulette.
If we fuck around with carbon sequestration and geoengineering projects to cool down the planet like Bill Gates and the other death cultists want to do, the temperate zones in the northern hemisphere are going to be under 2 mile thick ice sheets again. You know, those places where the vast majority of the worlds food comes from?

>>508713489
>how the fuck is there a forest buried underneath 40+ft of snow year-round for decades and decades straight if not longer?
this doesn't exist
>Use your brain, numbnuts.
you first, fucking dunning kruger 80 IQ waste of oxygen

>>508709719 (OP)
>The desert is growing.
Literally the opposite and provably so.

>>508715828
>>508715749
>>508715462
>>508715173
>>508714835

when can we expect all activists, politicians and millionaires preaching about climate change to sell their private jets and all their (soon underwater) coastal properties?

>>508715848
Anon. Tell me. Where does the water that feeds our crops come from. The ether? A magic hole in the ground? The moon? The Sea? It comes from inland lakes. Same with our drinking water. Inland lakes which deposit into rivers which deposit into seas after. Take a look at some maps. How many rivers and lakes do you see in the green and fertile areas on the Earth. Now let’s look at the sandy barren hellscapes. They’re surrounded by sea, yet no life.

> lakes will never dry up. new lakes will come all the time. in fact the hotter it is the more lakes will come.

I sincerely hope you’re trolling
>Aral Sea

>>508715749
The Aral Sea was pumped dry for Soviet irrigation projects. It had nothing at all to do with “climate change.”
But it was a relatively modern lake that was only created by natural climate change during the early Holocene. It’s only about 12,000 years old.

>>508709719 (OP)
buy an ac

>>508709719 (OP)
>But not so fast.
No, it had changed much more rapidly in our own recorded history, and prior to that. Climate in a interglacial system is fundamentally unstable.

>>508709719 (OP)
Now show me a graph of the millions of tons of concrete, steel and asphalt in and around Madrid each year, Chaim.

>>508711315
A white empire could simply prey upon shitskins and inhabit any land which is desirable. Once again genocidal racist imperialism is the best bet. Kill all shitskins and you have enough time and money to do just about anything, kill the libtards/kikes and you have the political impetus to pursue your interests without restraint.

>>508716662
Here in the US we dig lakes by the 1000s every few months so...
Just dug a pond of probably 50,000 gallons myself.
You should try it. You just dig and dig and dig and dig and eventually you stop and then water fills it in and you do nothing.

Climate is not static retard, and has little to do with humans, pollution only fuck life, and mostly locally, like all the chemical leaks and purpose spill by the burgers chemical industries in local rives.
But nothing compare with what chinks, jeets and mudslimes to in terms of not polluting themselves, but others.
Either way, this is not the main topic, the environment is not the main topic, the main topic is invisible power level by human existence causing climate hoax, and that's fucking gay, you're a normie faggot and should kys.
>why is so hot
well, do you forgot what happen in the last 100 years? You lose your north pole, because it was a block of ice that ships and submarine feel like breaking all the time, imagine all the countries that did that even more during the cold war, kek.
you literally deleted your iced block cooler on the north, not my problem.

>>508714835
Nigger

>>508717001
Remember when NASA just decided that changes in the surrounding environment which increased ambient local temperatures didn't invalidate collected data but when the changes, like say increased tree cover, decreased ambient recorded temperatures they adjusted them upward? And then when they were called out for it and for adjusting satelite observations without publishing the raw data they called it a "conspiracy theory" and never adjusted their models? Peferage Farms remembers.

>>508715710
This is fake
https://time.com/vault/year/1977/

>>508709719 (OP)
Hey retard, we are just saying it's not man made.

>>508716754
>It had nothing at all to do with “climate change.”
This is a direct, man-made destruction of several countries' ecosystems.
>>508716631
>provably so.
I’m waiting for your proof.
>>508716270
>ICE AGE
This is the only real way to restore the planet’s resources. That’s good, but we have no way of getting closer or further away from it.

>>508709719 (OP)
Yawn.
Why don't we fix it then?

>>508711407
>no link
>no archive
This never happed.
>it was real in my mind. Ok.

>>508716574
Why is it people who invoke Dunning Kruger are always the biggest examples of it?

>>508715173
Why do retards think Wikipedia pages are arguments?

>>508718437
stfu zoomer retard, climate hoax has being on the media for literal decades, even before the first millenial was born this was already shill, before it was global warming and before that it was cooling, until they decide for the current itteration of the propaganda that only serve to siphon more from the masses towards globalists, are you a globalists gaining money? I mean, the banker with the last treaty got 13 trillions euros worldwide.
Or are you working for them on some shill from (((think))) tank scam pay by globohomo?

>>508719450
>muhuh
>still no link
>IT WAS REAL IN MY MIND DAMIT
>name calling, because i can not find a link
>because it just want to belieeeevveee
OK. Sorry. I didnt know your meds are late today.

>a bloo bloo bloo collapse is inevitable
just kill yourself then?

>>508709719 (OP)

As of June 2025:
Population:
The estimated metro area population of Madrid in 2025 is 6,811,000.
The municipality of Madrid itself had a population of 3,422,416 inhabitants according to the November 2024 INE census.
Estimated Size:
The municipality of Madrid covers an area of 604.3 square kilometers (233.3 sq mi). The metropolitan region of Madrid covers an area of 4,609.7 square kilometers (1,780 sq mi).

In 1900, the population of Madrid was 539,835 or 540,109 (sources vary slightly, but both are very close to 540,000).
Regarding its estimated size in km$^2$ in 1900, it's more challenging to find a precise figure for that specific year. However, we can infer some information:
* Madrid's current municipality area is 604.3 km$^2$.
* Historical accounts mention that Madrid's population doubled from half a million in 1900 to almost one million by 1931, indicating significant growth.
* The city's expansion during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, with developments like the Paseo de la Castellana, suggests a growing urban footprint.
While there's no exact figure for 1900, it would have been significantly smaller than its current area of 604.3 km$^2$. The city would have been much more concentrated around its historical center, with less urban sprawl than today.

Also:
while we know electricity was present and growing in Madrid in 1900, a specific "yearly electric power used" figure like the 27,113 GWh for 2023 is not available and would have been orders of magnitude smaller. The concept of widespread, centralized electricity consumption tracking was not in place at that time.

>I can't be bothered NOT to provide AI slop but I have a feeling stats about "in and around Madrid" is a total retarded way to use as a supporting argument.

>>508709719 (OP)
climate change tongue my anus

>>508709719 (OP)
This isn't even record heat. These dumb niggers like to pretend Greek Summer is caused by global warming.

>>508709719 (OP)
it's the ''green'' wind mills in the ocean

>>508709719 (OP)
>Nothing will help.
Rather nothing will be done in time - unsurprisingly. They didn't even manage to adhere to the most lenient long-term climate goals.
There is no short term solutions, which is the main issue in the modern day world.
>plan for the next 100 years
roflmao, lol even

>>508719148
>if stuff gets warmer then why cold exists?!

>>508711407
Generally when someoboday they are an "X scientist" they are full of shit. Ask them if they are are a geologist(and sub-discipline), geomorphologist, climatologist, hydrologist, oceanographer, ect.


>>508721037
Chinkland and Pooland exist, so even if we bought into a specific climate model and it turned out to be correct they wouldn't comply with any restrictions nor would any shitskin nation. It's just a grift for public money and kikes/libtards support it to try and deindustrialize white nations. Everybody has ulterior motives.

>>508709719 (OP)
European data barely extends before 1930, US data, the gold standard in historical weather tracking, only goes into the mid 1800's

>>508709719 (OP)
I'm an old fag and remember having nice summers i spent outside and winters I went ice skating on frozen lakes.

>>508709719 (OP)
> DONT LOOK AT THE SUN!!!
another retard

>>508709719 (OP)
The windmills are actually really bad the blades are just thrown into giant landfills they constantly need repairs and it takes a shitton of steel to build one. It makes sense in the netherlands but generally just build a nuclear plant underground

>>508709719 (OP)
Nobody is denying climate change though, but people are questioning how much of it is man made and how much is just natural long term fluctuation.

And even if you accept it was enttirely man made, there's no denying most countries justy don't matter when it comes to CO2 emissions compared to likes of China, India or USA.

>>508709719 (OP)
Don't bother, op. This place is full of brain damage these days. Average IQ is in the gutter.

>>508722529
I've seen plenty of retards here denying it's even happening at all, irrelevant of the cause.

>>508709719 (OP)
Lmao here’s a list for you graph, retard. Nothing ever happens

>>508709719 (OP)
Breaking news: the sun works in cycles and is more active now than 50 years ago!

>>508709719 (OP)
It almost looks like you're posting misleading graphs without context, and urban concrete sprawl insulates heat more than the previous naturally forested areas. Obviously this is because of climate change, that has never once been accurate, and couldnt possibly be anything else.

Whoa, I should give you all my money because it's hot outside

>>508709719 (OP)

We cannot measure the climate accurately. None of the models predict anything accurately. We have a cloud of models that must be constantly renewed because they eventually fail out even with tweaks after the fact. And we pretend they tell us something.

it's too late to stop it now and the world has largely given up on trying to prevent geo-political-crises level changes.

i really believe that the people in charge are like
>maybe ai will fix this, because if it doesn't i'll be dead anyway

>>508716662
>>Aral Sea
entirely man made by the way.
> They’re surrounded by sea, yet no life.
its not that life comes from the rivers so much as its a general climate which allows there to be rivers in teh first place. But not only that. Look at the Nile for example. great big river but desert all around it. Why? The general climate is very very dry. Its all about the air masses and current either bringing moist air over the land for rain, or that moist air being blocked.

>>508709719 (OP)
>but in fact it destroys nature, especially plants
Don't make us post the satellite pics of the world greening, faggot

>>508723482
Oh look, an antihumanist memeflaggot appears to spew doom without context. How convienent.

>>508709719 (OP)
shut the fuck up dude

>>508709719 (OP)

Just two more weeks for that climate change to kick in!

>>508723557
>without context
the context is the thread dumb negro
btw it's good that your country takes so many immigrants because as dirt poor as fuck places start burning up and become arid and unlivable they'll all be flooding your town

nice try

>>508723200

That's because you Niggers only ever position that climate change is entirely man made whilst ignoring natural climate cycles. It makes it easy for people to ignore you when you've coached them into a fallacy. If it was pretended in a way that doesn't simply imply everyone is an immoral scumbag for simply existing, more people would listen to you.

People will ignore your doom saying given your only causation and solution are to insult and deride. Fucking Nigger, learn how to sell your message or just shut the fuck up.

>>508709719 (OP)

Probably all the wireless data cooking the atmosphere

>>508723905
Isn't it a funny coincidence how climate change and the industrial revolution correlate so well? Of course there is no way they could actually be related. The other thing is there is no reason other than climate to limit pollution. Pollution is based and very masculine.

>>508723694
>Fear based programming
Memeflaggot I don’t fear death. I welcome it. But thanks for revealing your kikedom by advocating for immigration and white genocide

>>508724892
i mean i was warning of the inevitable mass migrations this will cause, but yes, white genocide is a nice bonus
the sooner the better i say

>>508723694
>dirt poor as fuck places start burning up and become arid and unlivable they'll all be flooding your town
perfect NPC ideas right there. yes yes, you must import the 3rd world because of climate change.

>>508723439

Not even climate.
I check the forecast, one says the next HOUR (not decade but hour) it will be raining at 75%, the other says it's 5%, the third says it is raining right now but it's bright as hell without a drop.
I can hardly wait our AI overlords maybe they will be able to tell me of it's raining right now or not so I don't have to take a look at the sky. They can't even predict the temperature next day, it is off by 5 Celsius sometimes, I can guess better based on spilling chicken blood in a bowl.
But even if all of their long term predictions in the last decades were wrong over and over again, I'm sure this time they get it right.
And all that being said while I'm 100% sure the global climate has changed in the last 30 years based on my memories but I'm also 100% sure they have no clue about what is happening and why.
We might as well enter an ice age in 5 years and they wouldn't know it even after it happened.

>>508723694
So you're saying to save the climate we need to burn down india? Cool. I buy that.

>>508726420
>need to burn down india
imagine da smell

>>508724779
>Isn't it a funny coincidence how climate change and the industrial revolution correlate so well? Of course there is no way they could actually be related.
Isn't it funny how in the 1970's all the data indicated we were heading into an ice age
Isn't it funny how Paul Ehrlich was fucking everywhere peddling this shit?
Isn't it funny how all the data that once predicted an ice age, now doesn't at all?
Isn't it funny how all the scientists 50 years all got it fucking wrong en fucking masse?
Isn't it funny how if you actually include tree ring data that was deliberately left out, the famous hockey stick graph almost levels out?
Isn't it funny that this new "global warming" shit kicked off shortly after the Fourth World Summit organised by Maurice Strong where he announced the plan to buy land out from under governments by bankrupting them by making them adhere to unattainable climate goals because of this new thing called "global warming"?
Isn't it funny he wheeled out the guy who a year later would sit in front of US Congress and say "global warming" was the new threat?
Isn't it funny Strong got made Under Secretary General of the UN?
Isn't it funny Strong organised the Rio Earth Summit?
Isn't it funny Strong organised the Kyoto Protocol?
Isn't it funny that to evade Canadian fraud charges Strong had to flee to Communist China and live in exile until this fraudulent scumbucket got cancer and died?
Isn't it funny this fraud is STILL worshipped to this day by leftist green fuckwits?
Isn't it funny that he was a fraud, climate change is a fraud and you're a fucking fraud too?

>>508726709
It'd be like farting in the shower. Sure, it smells bad right now, but soon everything will be clean and the world will be a better place. But unironically ending immigration and putting hard caps on emmissions for india and china would solve the "issue" in a way recycling never could. That's my usual argument:
>oh, the climate, yes yes
>did you know planes are one of the biggest pollutors?
>oh, yes. And did you know that the most polluted places on earth are in india and china.
>really? You didnt? Wow, maybe we should stop allowing those people to fly en masse into our country.
The short circuiting retard faces they make are always priceless.

>>508714170
modern lithium batteries have basically ensured that the doomsday peak oil situation cant happen. Nearly half is used for road transport, only 10% is used as chemical feedstock. Gas car sales peaked worldwide in 2017 and china hit peak gasoline and diesel demand already despite car and motorcycle ownership going up. As prices rise more people will switch keeping oil cheap for hard to electrify sectors such as aerospace. Electrification reduces primary energy demand by 2/3 in most applications so even if we dont use renewables for electricity immediately theres still lots of room to improve.

>>508719874
lurk more, newfaggot.

>>508728982
Wait till you learn about tides, chimp

>>508709719 (OP)
>Every summer day is awfully hot.
I remember one not so warm, mostly wet
>Winter is gone
could built snowmen last three
>the average summer day was considered abnormally hot.
you want anomaly? snow on 1st June in Poland
>>508709719 (OP)
>harmful except for the windmills
stfu Siemens shill, garbage from them is asbestos tier, need special disposal

>>508729168
It's funny how everything built to accommodate high tide during the 1900s isn't underwater.

>>508709719 (OP)
German shitposters are becoming a massive issue, I thought that was an Anglosphere job? Give us our work back or else, you fucking flat head. You screwball with a fucking flattened head.

> But not so fast.
We've got a time traveler here

>>508709719 (OP)
>Muuh climate change
Where did all the cool Germans go?

>>508709719 (OP)
>>508709786

>what is urban heat island effect
>what is more accurate temperature monitors


You realize we have only had accurate temperature data in Europe and North America for about 150 years and we’ve only had accurate temperature data for the rest of the world for about 50 years

We have no idea what normal or not in the grand scheme

>>508729540
they died in the snow during stalingrad

>>508724779
Sorry faggot
Forests are cooler than cities
Cities have been paving everything over causing higher temps

1900: 500k milian and surrounding area
2025: 6.5 million

>>508729378
global sea levels have risen about 6 to 8 inches in the last 80 years, enough that some islands in the pacific that are inhabited are going to have to be abandoned. It's not a lot but it's a bit, not saying it's man made problem though.

>>508709719 (OP)
now add population, car traffic and energy usage in madrid to the graph...

>>508715772
Why do we say we breathe oxygen when we actually mostly breathe nitrogen ?

>>508715848
I live in one of the hottest places in the world, the nearby mountains have had their two snowiest winters in the last 5 years

This year skiing was open until June 1st for the first time ever, which is 2 months later than normal

These niggas want to tell me the earth is warming

I'm wearing a wooden jumper and long John's right now. Spring is getting hotter, summer is getting colder. I'm not interested in statistics because I've observed this myself by touching grass

>>508730268
*Woolen. Kek

Here you go, all the climate change..

>>508729927
>global sea level has risen 6 to 8 inches

No it hasn’t

>>508709719 (OP)
OH MY GOD I AM AFRAID OP

OP why are you not offering any solutions OP

I WILL GIVE YOU MY MONEY IF YOU CAN TAKE AWAY MY FEAR OP

I am afraid.

>>508715153
Why would it doom civilization? Civilization wasn't doomed when it was 2 billion people.

>>508709719 (OP)
Who cares if climate change is real or not? I, as an individual cannot make any meaningful contribution to reversing it. No amount of paper straws or plastic recycling is going to make a difference. It's entirely up to megacorps and governments to step up and do something.

>>508730878
that's what they're doing, knucklehead

>>508715772
now zoom in on the green square and see how big that white dot is compared to the green one.

agent smith was right

>>508716270
>ICE AGE
>chart has a high reading

more like heat age

>Decreased pollution during lockdowns actually warmed the planet.
What am I supposed to believe?

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/02/210202164535.htm

>>508718342
it's a bit weird that someone took the time to fake a cover when there was already one to the effect and in the same year no less
https://time.com/vault/issue/1977-01-31/page/34/
though, if you read the thing it's a bit more broad and speculative in its scope

More proof global warming is fake

Here is my 10 day forecast the red box in the middle that’s normal temps for us

The blue is low, we’ve had a cool wet year all year it’s seemly going to be rainy and below 100 on 4th of July which is u heard of

I guess it’s that global warming

>>508732261
hi fellow Scottsdale bro

>>508709719 (OP)
Puts concrete everywhere
OMG goyim is the climate
Our automatic weather once give you the dará free, now not anymore, only Anglojew Sar data

>>508729927
>global sea levels have risen about 6 to 8 inches in the last 80 years, enough that some islands in the pacific that are inhabited are going to have to be abandoned
Nope
What has happened is that islands in the Pacific *which are made of mostly SAND* have been eroded and have apparently been victims of "rising sea levels" when in fact they've just shrunk. They account for about 25% of such islands. The remaining 75% have actually been gaining MORE SAND and thus apparently sea levels have been decreasing for them.
But climate alarmists ignore those and ignore the fact that sand is washed away from one place and deposited in another, not because they're drooling halfwits, but because it doesn't fit their narrative.

>>508732442
Sup nigga

HH praise Trump

>>508729168
>leaf street-shitter untermensch calling anyone a newfag
Go use your state sponsor kys machine, leaf. Only YOU can stop the pollution of shit and leaf on the ground.

>>508709719 (OP)
Chart shows urban heat island effect and urban sprawl for Madrid, not global warming.

>>508709719 (OP)
>The desert is growing.
Deserts are greening.
Related pic is some perspective.
Warm is good. Cold is bad.

>>508709719 (OP)
Climate change means fuck all. Just stop polluting my waters and streets with immigrants. They don’t know how to not turn a place into a third world dump.

>>508728467
the grid can't take it.

>>508709719 (OP)
I don't believe any of this because of climate gate. They hide the raw data and only show you the processed data through their models which they tweaked until it gave them the results they wanted.

>>508731626
same thing happened when the grounded flights after 9/11, turns out out water vapor and clouds have a hugely insulating effect.

>>508733819
Albedo effect, bounces the sunlight back into space.

>>508709719 (OP)
I guess you missed the early 90s when we warned you that the jews were going to alter the climate as an excuse to enslave us all.

>>508734250
Chemtrails aren't real but we do do aerial spraying for multiple purposes, including causing climate change via geoengineering, which involves dumping mystery chemicals into the atmosphere.

>>508734091
ah cheers for correcting me, isn't it also considered by far the most powerful greenhouse gas, orders of magnitude higher than CO2?

>>508734418
Telling people water is in the air does not instill as much fear.

>>508726949
>Isn't it funny how in the 1970's all the data indicated we were heading into an ice age
stopped reading there. Global Warming dominated Cooling in peer reviewed studies even in the 70s.

>>508734861
Lolno.

>>508734861
>stopped reading there.
Then you're an idiot
Your little cult was started by Maurice Strong, a fraudster. And you have no answer to that. Rio Summit organised by a fraudster. Kyoto Protocol organised by a fraudster. Maurice Strong's fingerprints were all over your shitty IPCC lies.
And highly doubt global warming did actually dominate cooling. This is likely a fabrication to cover the asses of the climate fundies, who all conveniently ignore most of the temperature records are held by the 1930's to this very day.
By the way, the head of your cult was a fraudster. (As well as a new-age fruitcake who literally belonged to a cult, but that's another story). Such is the calibre of your climate heroes

>>508734418
No worries. I'm guessing we both watched Horizon after 9/11.
And yes, water is the most powerful greenhouse gas. Mysteriously absent from many alarmists computer models.

>>508709719 (OP)
Madrid. Full of concrete, asphalt, and steel? What was the average temperature 30 miles outside of the city?

Bad data leads to bad results.

>>508733668
Thats an easy problem to solve, just add more power plants, transmission lines and rooftop solar on private homes and businesses to ease the burden on the centralized power generators. A mix of renewables and nuclear absolutely can replace oil as an energy source, the only obstacle now is the cost of the equipment which is rapidly declining and has a lot of room to improve.

>>508709719 (OP)
>Every summer day is awfully hot. Maybe you were a Zoomer but back in the mid-2000s the average summer day was considered abnormally hot.
So instead of one adjective, it's another? Horrifying!
>Winter is gone. No more snow
What parallel universe do you live in? Post ONE link that shows this.
>>508713489
Your rebuttal is almost as bad as the OP. Impressive.

>>508733668
It's an outdated system. Power generation needs to be more localized.

IDK fugs why are you talking about bugs and thinking I’m some kind of green activist. You haven’t even read the oppost.
>>508733391
No real proofs. all the deserts in the world are only growing. All you can provide is either state propaganda of the third world dictatorship or PROPAGANDA OF ECO-ACTIVISTS.
>>508733391
>>508730328
>>508731317
I think the only cure is to experience new, inevitable icing. The big ice will heal most wounds, and when it comes down, the world will be as good as new.

>>508723287
People who think that oil is literally infinite are characters of a joke.
>>508723905
I literally wrote here that I don’t know the real reason and admit that the main change is not anthropogenic. Maybe god/planet just fucking hates us and wants to destroy us. But destructive processes are real.
>>508730164
This is part of the problem
>>508733517
Are you familiar with the concept of invasive species? Most green people hate nature.
By the way, people here write about personal experience. I also rely on personal experience a lot, in particular when talking about the weather. I’ve been to many forests in different countries, and I don’t know how you can talk about some kind of restoration or expansion at this rate of deforestation.
>>508735730
She hates nature.

>>508726949
>>508724779
In fact, the industrial revolution is the reason why people forget how to have children in even the least developed country. Urbanites are sexless ants.

>>508736251
>Thats an easy problem to solve
Nope
"It's a pipe dream"
t. the chief engineer of nPower, a UK energy company. The man responsible for writing the manuals on building and operating power stations and all the infrastructure needed to make an energy grid work. Said in a talk with staff (of which I was one) where we being briefed about nPower's future strategies. There will not be charging points in every home for electric vehicles, there will not be full capacity for even current population to continue energy usage at current rates because renewables can't handle it and smart metering is very much a way to ration electricity and not a conspiracy put about by tinfoil hat non-compliants resisting progress. And that latter detail was confirmed a second time by an nPower actuary coming fresh out of a meeting about it and collaring me over lunch.
Your shitty little green utopia is a fucking pipe dream

>>508709719 (OP)
>>508709786
>>508710764
>>508711315
youre right
please be aware that you are talking to paid shillfarms on this abord
they swamp evvery thread on climate change
nothing will convince them, because that is not their intention
its like Hitler decribing when he tried talking to jews

>>508736636
There's nothing to say Germans making threads should be legalised, in fact I encourage the wholesale BANNING of Berliners at the least from this board. No, not only this board but the internet entirely.

>>508737931
drown in nigger piss, you worthless island monkey

>>508736251
>easy problem to solve
no
>solar
Extremely non-ecological (just read how they are produced), and very expensive. Short service life. Difficult to dispose of. Often useless if installed incorrectly. This technology is most likely fraud like biofuels.
>can replace oil as an energy
no
You can’t imagine the scale of oil consumption. Also, oil is not just a fuel. It’s almost any thing that’s around you right now.

>>508709719 (OP)
>I’m not some Greta Tunberg or green tech.

They've been at this since before I was born..
>1972 and 10 years to stop it
I was still born though and I'm still alive.

>>508739230
that guy is a fucking grifter

>>508737821
It works fine in china and scandinavia

>>508736704
when the permafrost melts then the positive feedback loop takes off and methane spikes and oceans rise and SHTF unless we ramp up aerosol geoengineering while switching over to nuclear

>>508728982
>still not able to post a simple link
>deflection
Kek what a fucking retard you are. You can just post the link and i had to shut my mouth. But no.

PROVE ME WRONG! YOU CANT!

>>508739338
>that guy is a fucking grifter
dimwit take
he's just arguing for Nuclear

>>508739230
The "apocalypse" has happened before, and will happen again. The human species was just lucky. Now humanity is deliberately trying to kill itself.

>>508738861
it doesnt matter how environmentally friendly they are, that has nothing to do with its viability as an energy source. Solar panels and LFP batteries last 20+ years and are quite cheap now. Only 10% of oil is used to make things like plastic and rubber, it doesnt need to be completely removed from our society altogether. 2/3 of the energy in oil is just wasted as heat, we only need to replace a third of the energy provided by fossil fuels with something else. there are already countries with 100% renewable grids right now, it definitely can be done and will be when the cost of burning oil is too high.

>>508736029
Climatologists flat-out lie.
Here's a couple quotes from sites "debunking" (supposedly) this "myth" that they weren't predicting an Ice Age in the 70s (they were, I'm old enough to remember. Even BBC's Tomorrow's World got in on the alarmist fun, so it wasn't a fucking "myth")

1. There was a period of cooling from approximately 1940-1970

This is from the hilariously misnamed "rational wiki". The website concedes there was a cooling period and yet claims scientists predicted warming. This makes scientists sound like fucking idiots, to be frank. "Hey, it's been getting colder for 30 years, that means global warming!"

2. Ditto "Skeptical Science" which reproduces your fucking pie chart. They say:
"In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend."

Again, fucking stupid scientists observing "available temp recordings" showing it getting colder, somehow reach the conclusion it's obviously getting warmer.

There comes a point when it's plain that you're all fucking liars. Even when attempting to debunk the idea, you have to admit all the fucking data pointed to it getting colder.
Did all this fucking data disappear?
Were the scientists holding their graphs upside fucking down?
No.
They were PAID to predict an ice age and when it didn't materialise they were paid (by Maurice Strong and his cronies) to predict the opposite.
Maurice Strong was a fraudster who died in ignominy. And you cunts still parrot the BS he started.

>>508735837
Oh thanks for jogging my memory, I had long forgotten the title of this program
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.shtml

>NARRATOR: This is the real sting in the tail. Solve the problem of Global Dimming and the world could get considerably hotter. And this is not just theory, it may already be happening. In Western Europe the steps we have taken to cut air pollution have started to bear fruit in a noticeable improvement in air quality and even a slight reduction in Global Dimming over the last few years. Yet at the same time, after decades in which they held steady, European temperatures have started rapidly to rise culminating in the savage summer of 2003.

fascinating read

>>508739586
>>508739230
>Rather, he posits that technological innovation, if allowed to continue and grow, will remedy environmental issues.
In reality everything will be as it is now - you shit all around, but the reports for decades will say that everything is fine, you can continue production.

apart from the fact that 21 of the hottest years on record have come in the last 25 years, all data points to a cooling trend!

It's awful. No more winter.
Used to have solid 2 full months of snow.
Now it's barely 2 weeks.
Summers are insane here. Have to wear gloves so your hands don't burn completely.
It was nothing like this in the 90s and early 00s
Shits unliveable

Windmill massacre birds so they are not that good.

Cool, now show the forestation and concrete/asphalt coverage around Madrid.

>>508739416
Two things:
1. China lies
2. It can work in smaller countries. Iceland can and does get plenty of geothermal energy. This is not commonly available in many other places. Denmark is small enough that what it gets from wind can be routed to any part of the country. The problem with wind generated electricity is routing it further. In the UK for example, every single day wind farms are paid NOT TO add electricity to the grid, because it can't be moved where it's needed. Literally £50k-£100k every single day paid out to NOT supply power. You do the maths. In the UK solar is wholly unreliable, people who imagine they're going to pay off the outlay for their solar panels over their lifetime, aren't.
No Scandi country, with the possible exception of Iceland, can go full green.
If they could, they wouldn't have needed a smart meter rollout
t. An analyst who studied the European smart meter rollouts (me)
btw, the smart meter rollouts are from a European Union directive intended to establish one single Dept of Energy in Brussels, and abolish any national energy departments in Europe.
Totally not building a European superstate headquartered in Brussels guys, honest....
c.f. also "Oh noooooo, Russkies, we must have a European Army under single command!"

>>508709719 (OP)
Okay lets de industrialize China and India.

>>508734399
Fuel additives. It isn't even secret. They are for wear reduction and emissions control and "coincidentally" have a blanketing effect.

>>508709719 (OP)
Sorry but after the last 5 years of psychological operations and noticing you fags are not going to play climate games even with the most brain dead normies. It’s over.

>>508740922
By the way, the CEO of nPower's German owner - RWE - wrote a book debunking climate change. Funnily enough he got cancelled by the Greens and removed from his chair of a wildlife conservation society.
Greenies really don't like qualified scientists who live and work in the energy sector debunking their nonsense, it seems.

>>508740922
why dont you just make some new power lines and battery packs then? you cant use renewables without batteries

>>508709719 (OP)
Can you tell me who cares?

>>508740087
Yep, I remember the documentary quite well.
Ironic that now the UK is actually proposing we should "dim the sun" by pumping shit into the atmosphere, when at the same time they want to cut air travel and close airports.
Er, more air travel does what you're currently proposing Mr Starmer. You should be encouraging people to holiday in Ibiza.
But he's a Fabian party commie and a Jew so he just wants to destroy the country

>>508740906
>Windmill massacre birds so they are not that good.
Any moving object sometimes kills birds and makes noise.
>>508740922
>1. China lies
true
>Totally not building a European superstate headquartered in Brussels guys, honest....
I don't care about it anymore.
>>508741044
You can just wait a few decades or start a war if you still have the balls.

>>508709719 (OP)
He's seething

>>508741521
Why don't you wave a magic wand and make everything better?

Because the real world has checks and balances and costs you fucking halfwit.
Look, I have a choice, I can believe what our chief fucking engineer told me to my face or I can believe a blithering fucking burger idiot on the internet.
Sorry, I'm going with the engineer. He doesn't sugar coat stupid fairy tales that are not going to happen

>>508741722
In a few decades western civilization will be below 85 average iq and in collapse.

>>508709719 (OP)
>Climate change is real.

Heat island effect.

They paved the area around the thermometer then didn't compensate for the effect that they knew exists so they could tell you that the world is coming to an end so you'd support more government, more taxes, and more regulation.

Here's the official government NOAA temperature data for the last 20 years in the United States, as you see no warming. The sky isn't falling, your doomsday cult is full of shit, you lose, you get nothing, good day sir.

>>508709719 (OP)
If the desert grows the farmland just moves further north. Who the fuck cares lmfao. Imagine being worried about it being hot outside in a world with air conditioning. Eurofags are complete and total cucks, and it's fucking pathetic.

When you finally understand that 'climate change' isn't about actual climate change it's about the preservation of natural resources for the rich to enjoy while restricting them from the average pleb, then you can understand the grift.

>>508741910
you are a small country. Norway is larger than the UK and they pulled it off.

>>508741913
Quite possible. China, Russia, even India are dying too. China has the worst demographics in the world, it’s mostly big South Korea. Maybe the West will fall, but they too will. It doesn’t depend on who wins or whether there will be a battle.

>>508742079
>you are a small country. Norway is larger than the UK and they pulled it off.
Except no, they suffer the same problems as us. They can't properly transport the electricity from where it's generated to where it's needed. On top of that, they've got some kind of stupid kickback from the government, without which their stations wouldn't be profitable. It's only because businesses are rewarded for buying green energy, that the energy companies get paid enough to generate it.
So, the energy sector would collapse were it not for these kickbacks, though I will grant you, if they went full communist, they could achieve over 90% renewable energy because cost matters less to commies.

>>508743077
you guys did the industrial revolution the first time, theres no reason you cant modernize your power grid

>>508743439
they simply require far too much voltage, the energy draw from 1 single electric car is equivalent to over 1000 family homes at idle.

>>508729927
Sorry faggot
Anything built on a swamp slowly sinks. Most land near the sea is marsh. Like Miami. They knew it would slowly sink when they built it.

>>508743439
Jesus, it's like talking to a child
SHIT COSTS MONEY, ASSHOLE
Also, there's the question of resources.
There is never gonna be enough batteries to make your stupid utopia work, and there's not enough money, willpower, resources or manpower to build an entire new grid and put charging points in everyone's fucking home
It is not going to happen. Period.
Engineers deal in realities
Toddlers like you live in la-la land

>>508729927

Sure, sure.

Two more weeks

>>508743077
Actually you can transport energy super far cheaply in this new gas filled conducter. Have to convert it to DC though
Am talking hundreds of miles

>>508709786
It's true. It's just not cold anymore. And when it's cold it's weirdly in fuckin march

>>508744455
Geoengineers have been working aggressively to change the climate these last 10 years. Look into aerial spraying.

>>508709719 (OP)
>The desert is growing.
Retard, CO2 causes a greening of the earth and that is exactly what all the metrics show, the deserts are shrinking every year. Plants love CO2, they grow faster and larger with more co2. It's good for animals too up until like 10% of the atmospheric content, which we are extremely far from. The only potential concern is melting ice and its consequences

>>508743765
A level 2 charger uses about the same amount of energy per hour as a central air conditioner, 10-20kw.
>>508744188
of course they can make enough batteries. "rare earths" arent actually rare they just exist in low concentrations. Theyve eliminated most of the really expensive ones already.

>>508744656
the problem is that plants can't use more CO2 without having more water, and droughts are becoming more frequent. There are other factors involved -- such as dieback from insects spreading to new areas -- and lots in the literature (you source) about large forests becoming sources not sinks

>>508744339
a. you gotta dig up everywhere to lay them
b. you need safety valves and alarms on them
c. you need pressurised pure nitrogen available, the handling and storage of which is itself dangerous
d. you need blast protection around your stations in case of ruptures
e. you need some method built into the systems to equalize the pressures in your lines should one of them develop a leak
Theoretically yes. But as I mentioned above, there's costs.
This is the problem:
"Why don't you just build entire new network of stuff bro?"
My own company went fucking bankrupt deploying smart meters you daft bastard. As did several other UK energy companies. Shit costs money and companies need to make a profit. You can't make £120m a year profit when the government tells you to spend £3billion replacing everyone's fucking meter.

GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS, YANKS

>>508709719 (OP)
This is useless because all metropolitan areas around the world have become urban heat islands since the post-ww2 industrial boom. Millions of tons of asphalt & concrete have been poured in Madrid over the past several decades, which absorb and emit heat. There are now far more vehicles, industrial sites, and other heat-emitting objects, contributing to localized heat. Madrid in particular has immense urban density and a robust highway network going through the city. You'd have to be a complete dullard to not think the city was going to be several degrees locally warmer now, on average, than it used to be.

>>508741928
really, if warming is just due to a heat island effect why is the fastest warming place the arctic? picrel

>>508744761
yes, this country couldn't handle every home having aircon either, our grid is ancient.

>>508745317
see>>508745323
most temperatures are taken at airports outside of downtown, and urban heat effect is controlled for

>>508744761
You live in a fucking delusional bubble where everything is free and shit costs nothing to make.
Neck yourself you fucking retard. I'm done with your bullshit

>>508745255
They have been using them for 10 years in NY
Zero problems

>>508745255
>My own company went fucking bankrupt deploying smart meters you daft bastard. As did several other UK energy companies. Shit costs money and companies need to make a profit. You can't make £120m a year profit when the government tells you to spend £3billion replacing everyone's fucking meter.

Your government wants you replaced
Your company was probably led by brown retards and women

>>508745621
I don't think you quite realise how poor this country actually is.

>>508745771
I do feel bad but here in NY we might be fucked with a muslim mayor also. 2 once greatest financial cities taken over.

>>508742189
China has the sense to at least put them in camps to segregate the intelligence segments.

>>508745621
Well good for them, whoopee do. Meanwhile in New Zealand the soil fucking eats them. So it's swings and roundabouts really.

china is serious about solar

>>508745756
>Your company was probably led by brown retards and women
Actually it had a 100% white male board and they were very fucking based. So based they pissed off all the women and browns in the company.

>>508746053
>>508745323
>oh no a graph with a very small scale horribly designed with a bunch of overlapping lines and obscure datapoints, whatever will we do?!

>>508746390
well you certainly won't make an argument

>>508709719 (OP)
Agreed. Climate change is a massive problem and time is running out. Elites are trying to position themselves to eradicate half the planet without causing further damage (no nukes) and also not sacrifice their quality of life and control.

>>508745157
Regardless of all that the world is becoming greener and the deserts are shrinking - thanks to co2.

>>508746590
Atmospheric CO2 has been above that line, significantly above that line, in every single ice age.
Weird that.
It's almost as if a fuckton of CO2 DOESN'T cause warming
Moreover, carboniferous rocks, which can ONLY be laid in periods of high atmospheric CO2, (and which contain a fuck ton of fossils, i.e. life) almost surround the entire coast of Australia above the sea level currently. It's almost as if CO2 doesn't warm that much or cause sea level rise. Weird.

>>508746590
Neither is spamming poorly designed graphs without context. What's the standard deviation in the dataset? How many points are in the dataset? What was the methodology for the collection? Were there pruned outliers? Oh, you cant answer any of it? Exactly. Basic research design; I'm not being pedantic, this is extremely basic stuff.

>>508745393
so why dont you update it? Its not a problem for us.
>>508745409
are you never going to replace your car no matter how old and beat up it gets?

>>508746904
>your graph from NASA is wrong
>listen to me instead
>>508746907
>extremely basic stuff; none of the scientists behind these graphs know any of this or are held to such standards by their peers

>>508747040
>are you never going to replace your car no matter how old and beat up it gets?
Stupid analogy from a simpleton
When the car costs more to replace than you earn in 20 years, tell me - how CAN you replace it?
You're a fuckwit, neck yourself.

>>508711937
>It would remind people that we’re living in the middle of a fucking ICE AGE
This is true, we live in a tiny atypical patch of warmth in the middle of eons of frozen hell

>>508747183
Oh, you dont know any of the information behind your position, just "scientists know"? You didnt read the literature and just posted a graph that looks scary because it was designed in a manipulative illegible way? Exactly what I said, and exactly why you shouldnt be trusted. You dont know what you're talking about.

>>508713256
>Every prediction has failed for 30 years.
This is really all there is to it. Why trust these predictions when they've repeatedly proven to be based off of faulty data?

>>508747491
Which graph are you talking about, and what is it you would like me to clarify about it?

Most of the data collection is bullshit, but things are heating up and it ain't because of greenhouse gasses being produced by humans. It's the earth/sun disaster cycle and it's coming to a place near you!

>>508747515
models are actually doing quite well when it comes to temp increases

>>508747635
it's not the sun.

>>508747619
So you didnt read my post and just greentexted random that I dont know what I'm talking about? I was very clear. Any of them.

>>508747211
fucking uruguay has a 100% renewable grid. If brown beaners in the jungle can figure it out so can you

>>508747704
Top line is from cooked data.

It’s actually just the sun.

>>508747662
>model ensemble
>ensemble
Lmao how retarded. Look at the error distribution.

>>508747183
>>your graph from NASA is wrong
It very probably is.
When you can't tell me what the temperature is currently to two decimal places, I highly doubt you're going to be able to from a tiny air bubble 100,000 years ago.
And geologists who point out the carboniferous rocks, laugh at your paltry few hundred thousand years.
You have no explanation for how these rocks came to be, if your own arguments are true, nor how there can be million year ice ages with CO2 ppm many many times higher than what you're currently clutching your fucking pearls over.

>>508709719 (OP)
It takes more energy to craft and assemble a windmill than it will ever produce during its lifetime. Sustainable tech my ass

>>508747662
>>508747704
i just dont buy it! you're gonna have to fix it by yourself so get busy

>>508744279
>ITT people don't understand that tides exist.

>>508709719 (OP)
Why would collapse be inevitable if the world is still way colder than it was during the dinosaur days?

>>508747927
The NASA graph is for CO2 not temperature. You claimed to know the levels for the last 800,000 years, but you provided nothing to support your claim, which conflicts with the NASA graph.

>>508748152
Why would NASA merge a modern PPM measurement graph with the ice core readings without clearly explaining that they had done so in that graphic?

It looks very misleading without this explanation.

>>508747839
>your data is cooked
>my data on the other hand
is where?

>>508747823
36% fossil fuels, plus they imported electricity
Fuck off
These kinds of shitty claims are like the one California put out a couple years ago - "We had an entirely green month!". No, you generated about 50% energy and imported the rest from neighbouring states burning gas and oil you lying cunts.

>>508748265
>>508748152
Hey fagboy why did you ignore me? How hard is it to put an N value and a standard deviation? What about the methodology? Were there any pruned data points?

>>508748265
so suddenly you defend cooked data because I don’t have the time and funding to construct a comparison?

Strange considering you linked the source if your phony data: the models here
>>508747662

>>508748152
I don't have to. I'm fucking telling you that during every ice age the CO2 levels piss all over your wanky 400ppm and it's a FUCKING ICE AGE
By your arguments the seas should be fucking boiling.

but why is the temp at the bottom of the ocean also rising

why are other planets also heating up

how about the sun

it's almost like these are conditions outside our control and people are just trying to cause panic for political reasons so they can grift carbon rebates and green energy companies they have stock in

>>508709719 (OP)
It's not real, but I really don't give a fuck either way to be quite honest. If it's real, great, things'll get warmer. I really just don't care anymore. Go fuck yourself.

>>508709719 (OP)
they need to distribute long term graphs of time vs temperature change per time, there is a huge spike only now and it’s more convincing than the time vs temp graph which looks like nothing because the slopes are hard to tell and the x axis is log

>>508709719 (OP)
>Climate change is real.
Then we're doomed. Nothing we do right now will stop it.

>>508748028
ITT shitheads who trot out "tides" whenever photographs lay their stupid claims bare
Produce a photograph showing higher then you fucking lying cunt - protip: you won't

>>508717318
if you just look at the chart you can tell that cold periods have a certain way they get colder theb bottom out and get hotter. this current cold period unlike the others SUDDENLY SPIKES without actually going through the pattern. a graph of d(temp)/d(time) shows a huge spike only now

>>508748956
If you look at the chart you’d realize the data for the recent century was not gathered via the same methods as the data for the preceding three thousand years.

>>508744761
your fucking retarded. A avg household window AC uses 2000watts or 2kw. A whole house 4 ton centeral air system usually 4-6kw. A household plug in wall level 2 charger is 2-3kw.

Also you should understand AC does not run full throttle for 12 hours when the sun is out -- only if its 110degrees. Its duty cycle is very low. Charging a electric car is full throttle for hours and hours.

Your right though, a level 2 charging 'gas station' with 4-8 spots is 20kw-50kw easily. Thats similar to powering an entire neighborhood of houses.

Faggots like you cant understand power density and electric everything is only possible if we actually went into nuclear power age. But we stalled and don't have exceptional power growth anymore but our energy usage is exponentially growing still, so we are destine to die as a species

>>508748438
It's a solar cycle. The climate hysteria is the way they are slowly disclosing this information to the population.

>>508749493
Climate hysteria is about keeping energy price high and 'restricting' technology of cheaper energy.

>>508749609
That too. Free energy would solve a lot of societies issues.

>>508749373
thats not a whole lot of power. to put that into perspective a riding mower engine makes that much, a car engine could generate that much electricity while idling. Half of chinas cars are electric, it clearly can be done

>>508711315
and that's a good thing

>>508709719 (OP)
Great. Which brand of water should we start hoarding?

>>508749816
>Half of chinas cars are electric
No, they're not, retard
Half of new vehicles last year were electric. That doesn't mean half the population bought an EV
Jesus, you're fucking stupid

>>508749816
Why are they buying cars when they have 2 billion bicycles anon?

>>508709719 (OP)
>global cooling
>changed to global warming
>changed to climate change
>all "predictions" have been false
>faggots caught taking temperatures at airports (ambient temps are hotter there)
>icecaps are getting larger
>not taking it seriously, as the rich / people in charge will lose their life style the most
>siphons billions of tax payer dollars yearly
Oh vey

>>508709719 (OP)
you're free to kill yourself at any time to drop your carbon emissions to zero. be a part of the solution.

>>508749493
Memeflag right for once

There this chinese guy proved its all about our orbit and solar activity. Nobody can disprove him so they ignore him.

Plus every few hundred thousand years a solar flare will hit us. Next one will fry all the electronics on 1/2 the planet.

Taxes can't change the weather. But the weather is not climate. Therefore taxes can change the climate.

>>508709719 (OP)
Climate change is real, anthropogenic climate change is a scam