Which is it? Can we solve this debate?
Preferably with conclusive evidence and photos.

For example, are there more "I shouldn't have to work, everything should be free, the government should give me money" tweets or are there more "I want to work really bad but I can't get a job, will someone please hire me?" tweets?

When I search the archives and restrict to OP post only, I find 16395 "neet" threads, 2037 "neetbux" threads, 1632 "no pussy no work" threads, 5087 "wagie" and 1957 "wageslave" threads.
Conversely there are 14447 threads containing the words "can't get job" in the OP. Obviously, this comparison is not scientifically conclusive (some threads may contain the above terms but have the opposite or unrelated context).

Are there any advocacy groups, for instance, that message on behalf of white natural born US citizens who can't get jobs over immigrants with numbers to show for it?

the United States depends on mass immigration for its survival. Its never stopping. Immigration isn't optional. It's an existential matter. Its this way due to rightwing policies. Notably capitalism. Not due to leftists.

>>508771111 (OP)
We need real jobs again that people want to do and dont need marketing

>>508771111 (OP)
False dichotomy.

In fact, the latter creates more of the former.
People getting shafted by the current system are more likely to rebel against it.

>>508771111 (OP)
Americans in general are the consumer class.

The white Americans are luxury class on top of consumer class. I am talking about luxury on global context, not multimillionaire dollar rich wealthy luxury.

To expect the consumer glass to be globally competitive in low/mid level manufacturing is simply delusional. I mean, sure, Americans/Europeans can automate many of the labor like they already do and yet there will be still plenty of hard physical labor intensive jobs that whites will refuse to do. Their price is simply too high for the market to bear. There's no market for a $9 per piece banana. Similarly there's no market for $50 a hour picking fruits.

You can't expect consumers to be producers too. Both of them are in direct conflict of interest.

>>508771111 (OP)
They will work for the right money.

Is hard work measured in workload or effort?

No it's measured hours over pay

Americans are offered shitty job on shitty hours and they say no or they say si

>>508771182
Ain't no capitalists attacking ICE and demanding sanctuary cities and anti discrimination laws if you dont want to work with migrants.

Left sold out workers for universal egalitarianism

These capitalists are basically gang masters. I dont care about guacamole I'm sure Americans can cope.

>>508771898
People aren't going to work hard for a system that is giving them the shaft.
It's not even totally about payment in dollars, it's about the state of society, the longterm prospects. What is my stake in spending my life working hard building an estate? Is it just going to be taken away by some communist? Is it just going to be destroyed by some nigger?

Why work hard if it's all going to go to hell? Better off being a deadbeat and focusing on other pursuits

>>508772015
I dont care about what youre watching on American cablenews and scrolling on X. Youre the ones responsible for immigration on the right. Youre the capitalists. Capitalism makes America rely on immigration to survive. Its not optional under capitalism.

>>508771847
This is the real problem, desu.

The Nixon-Era shift to outsourcing all of our manufacturing jobs means, basically, there are no high value jobs in the US anymore.

You were never going to make stocking shelves at Walmart what your dad did in a steel foundry. It just wasn't gonna happen.

Americans want good jobs and careers. None of them are, "scared of work." They just want to be treated sensibly and be paid well enough to have what their parents did. It's that simple.

>>508771915
Henry Ford proved that theory wrong.

Consumers need to be paid to buy.

Indians don't buy shit they just demand shit for free and scam

Banana pickers are from banana republics and fruit picking machines have existed for decades

>>508772107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEtbJmUoE-w

Thanks joe

>>508771182
>the United States depends on mass immigration for its survival

Really because where I'm sitting mass immigration is literally destroying what makes the United States a place worth living.

>>508771111 (OP)

Nobody actually fucking wakes up in the morning and says I can't wait to go to work today unless they're fucking the sectary/ co-workers etc. What people really say is wow going to work today sure was worth it because when I get off work my life will be so much better off for it and the work is TOLERABLE and even character building.
What happened is that somewhere around the 1970's lot's and lot's of women started entering the workforce and the wages were cut in half because the labor pool doubled *supply and demand*. Employers took notice and started flooding the country with as many more people as possible. Soon the equation became. Wow I sure hate going to work; but at least I can afford to live. Then somewhere along the 2000s. Employers figured out that people didn't have to afford to live. They could simply mooch off their parents and never develop or have a family. And soon the equation beame. Wow I sure fucking hate going to work, and it pays like shit but at least I can inform people that I'm not a fucking loser because I have a job. And then the social stigma finally fell off when video games got good and people started saying; hey did you see this new game or internet meme or political post? And now here we are with most American youth woefully unemployed, uninterested in working, and frankly unemployable. Employers are kinda faggots about everything. They think they can abuse people up until the point that they snap and all they have to do is reel it back in just a pinch and that people will just show up to work for them. People don't work like that, they work their ass off in the begining and take notice if they get rewarded or punished or neutral. If they aren't rewarded they stop trying so hard. If they are punished they give up. And if this happens again and again people stop fucking trying entirely. And then one day the employers go come on baby I'll treat you real good just come back to my factory. And then the public says fuck off

>>508772107
Capitalism existed perfectly well before mass migration dumb ass.

In fact you can not protect your own economy with it.

It leaks out wealth. Capitalism is founded on nationalist policies such as tariffs and borders, see Adam Smith

>>508772155
Yeah what did I just say? Don't care about your cableTV platitudes. Immigration is necessary for capitalism and youre the capitalists on the right.
>>508772238
No. Capitalism has always existed with mass immigration with no exceptions.

>>508772230
OK well you did it to yourself through your racism that made you vote for capitalism which then brought you more immigrants. Youre a moron like racists are famous for being.

>American white people have built and maintained the country - This takes hard work, dedication and skill

>Non white immigrants have built and maintained a garbage dump in their 3rd world country - this takes no hard work, dedication and or skill to do

Reality is there is no logical explanation for calling Americans lazy and immigrants hard working.

>>508772285
It's necessary for communist politics, such as for example the latest democrat primary winner being a brown arab voted in by nonwhite foreigners

>>508772314
>>508772230
>OK well you did it to yourself through your racism that made you vote for capitalism which then brought you more immigrants. Youre a moron like racists are famous for being.
PS racists are famous for being morons who think theyre smart. Like totally convinced theyre smarter than everyone else but theyre not. Theyre just not.

>>508772331
Nope communist countries dont have immigration. Only you and your stupid far right frothing racist ideas bring immigration. Youre idiots.

Its poetic seeing racists get replaced by brown people in their own nations through their own racism. And STILL not accepting accountability for any of it. STILL trying to blame leftists or jews or whoever else.

>>508772374
All the country's you're talking about are brown

>>508771111 (OP)
The first is a lie so it doesn't contradict the second.

>>508772415
OK well so is yours now due to your capitalism too. So you played yourself. And maybe some of them are but they dont have immigration because they dont have capitalism. So get fucked. You lost. You are going extinct.

>>508772462
>>508772415
>OK well so is yours now due to your capitalism too. So you played yourself. And maybe some of them are but they dont have immigration because they dont have capitalism. So get fucked. You lost. You are going extinct.
PS and no matter how hard you kvetch understand this crucial factor: YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME FOR IT BUT YOURSELVES AND YOUR OWN FAR RIGHTWING POLITICS. MORONS. EXTINCT SOCIOPATHS WHO DESTROYED THEMSELVES THROUGH THEIR OWN IGNORANCE, HATRED AND GREED.

>>508772462
US is turning brown so that communist/democrat politics can take like we see happening in new york.

Joe said it very clearly, and then did it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEtbJmUoE-w

>>508772511
Yeah great. Go ahead and just keep posting that and keep saying "democrats are doing it" or "joe biden is doing it" and keep on getting browned out of existence through your own rightwing policies. See if it matters to me. Surprise ignorance leads to extinction. Its called natural selection. Evolution was real all along it turns out.

>>508772285
Mexicans are Obsolete Farm Equipment.

>>508772569
You can't refute it so you just crying at this point.
I accept your concession

Surprise that the people who tell you Earth is flat, germs arent real, holocaust didnt happen and all of the rest, also didnt have Americas political and economic issues sorted out enough to fix any of them. Natural selection. Evolution. Its real.

>>508772153
The modern day American capitalists don't treat Henry Ford as their role model. We live in neoliberal late stage capitalist world.

Here, free market is the law of the land.

Its not me who made these rules. Your people did.

Nobody is winning against Chinese manufacturing. And you ain't getting $65 per hour janitor job in your lifetime.

>>508772595
Great. "Accept my concession" Go ahead and say that. You're going exist. Ding ding ding you dont matter anymore. Just keep saying "Joe Biden and the lizard communist antiwhites, and the jews are doing it all to hurt white people" go ahead and keep saying that cuz as long as you say that its never stopping.

>>508772655
>>508772595
>Great. "Accept my concession" Go ahead and say that. You're going exist.
extinct*

>>508772655
It stopped when trump became president.
Must hurt your head pretty hard to have so many inconvenient coincidences. But i guess you've grown used to the pain at this point, being as stupid as you are.

White people deserve extinction since they didnt have the heart or soul to overcome capitalism. They voted for enslavement and billionaire interests out of racism towards others and that eventually resulted in your own destruction as well. No one's to blame for it but yourselves no one.

>>508772746
Yeah? You think immigration to America stopped when Trump became president? OK. Its at exactly the same rate it ever was. And Trump's 1st term immigration record was materially worse than Obama's. This term's will be no different. Enjoy your delusions though dinosaur.

>>508771111 (OP)
For a recent example, look up Glenn Valley Foods.
>Meat packing plant in Omaha, Nebraska
>ICE drops the hammer, raids the company
>Illegals rooted out and arrested, basically most of the low-level workforce
>Two days later, place is packed with US citizens applying for work

...Yeah, I'm thinking B is the correct answer.

>>508772753
>They voted
See, this is where any intelligent person stopped caring what you had to say.

>>508772790
Ahh communist moron can't read a chart. Not surprised

>>508772821
Uh huh yup they voted yup and so did you.

They just don't want or NEED to work. I've been trying to get people the easiest, most fun, and least stressful "job" in existence: A gaming youtuber. I post this every fucking day for 2-3 years now and no one, and I mean, NO ONE takes me up on the offer that doesn't already have an easy or good life:

I'm looking for gaming bros to troll video games with. Pic related. I can cure your inceldom and give you keys to be a youtuber neet. All I ask is friendship. White straight American naturally born 18-49 year old Men only who don't smoke/drink/do drugs or have tatts and only if you make under 35k a year and never went to college allowed.

Answer some questions first:

1) What video games do you play or want to play?
2) Do you already have people to play video games with?
3) Do you like trolling in video games?
4) How much do you make per year and what is your job?
5) Ever been to college, or want to go to college?
6) Do you tryhard in video games?
7) Are you part of any gaming clans or guilds?
8) Do you smoke, do drugs, drink, or have tattoos?

>>508772830
Yeah it doesnt matter what charts you post. It doesn't work in the way /pol/acks seem to think it does, where you post something asinine, cherrypicked or wrong on 4chan and then say "hahaha I owned the libs". In reality your borders are still open and youre still going extinct from your own racist rightwing policies. Tough noogies moron.

>>508772849
Every year I write in Nigger Raper for president. Don't blame me.

Does anyone else appreciate the ELEGANCE of how this whole thing works out? Seemingly karmically? Where an entire race of people goes extinct literally cuz they were so racist that they voted for this capitalist system primarily in order to harm black Americans whom theyd previously enslaved?

>>508771111 (OP)
>For example, are there more "I shouldn't have to work, everything should be free, the government should give me money" tweets or are there more "I want to work really bad but I can't get a job, will someone please hire me?" tweets?
Ask Grog, it should know the answer.

>>508772914
Great. I don't care. Youre just an ordinary republican no different from any of the other ones here no matter how much you all want to pretend youre special and edgy. And soon you'll be extinct.

>>508772892
No you don't understand I am just using you as an object of ridicule. You are a typical communist too stupid to even read a chart.

You are hilarious 4chan prop thank you for posting this stupid tripe

>>508772945
>where an entire race of people goes extinct
this is only happening in your deluded imagination, in reality there are currently more white people alive right now than at any previous point in the history of the planet

Americans used to pick crops, process meat, roof houses, and do janitorial work back when you could actually make a living doing those jobs.

See you guys all have this denial and gaslighting thing you're doing. Keep doing it and have fun. You're going extinct from it LMFAO. You're not "owning the libtards". You're going to extinct from not recognizing basic facts about the world around you. "Extincting the white race to own the libtards"

>>508772978
>you'll be extinct
I'm a mutt. There's more of me every day.

>>508771111 (OP)
Welfare removes workers from the workforce, who are then replaced by immigrants who work for less.

But really the cost of the immigrant worker is his wages plus the welfare paid to the person he replaced, so the cost is actually very high.

>>508773009
Heh. Heh. Sure thing bud.
>>508772988
Cool. Great. Nice story. Borders are still open anyhow.

>>508773071
No. No. Youre society very much has open borders and youre going extinct.

>>508771182
EXACTLY capitalism require us to remove border and completely remove the concept of the state. Capitalism requires the entirety of the world to be considered worker for the USA. Effectively making them all citizens. Capitalism needs borders destroyed.

>>508771111 (OP)
Americans are the most industrious people in the history of the world. I'm sure they just lost that in 1 generation. Probably no way that jews sold them out. Definitely just got lazy.

>>508773127
>>508773089
>>508773071
>>508773009
You guys wanna know how totally full of shit this website is? Look at these exchanges. Look how fast /pol/ moves from "white genocide and replacement is happening" to "no, actually America doesnt even have an immigration problem" once a leftist moves into your midst and starts pointing it all out from a leftist point of view. Because the posters on this board, in reality, support openborders.

>>508773127
>Youre society
Which society is mine, exactly?

>>508773167
Yeah but youre all the ones who are supporting and promoting capitalism here on this board. As rightwing racist dumb people. Whether you realize that or not.

>>508773220
Aaaaaaaaahahahhahahhahaha another chapter in what I am talking about here >>508773183. Now the supposed nazi nationalists are suddenly rootless comsmopolitans with no ties or nation!

>>508773089
>Heh. Heh. Sure thing bud.
I accept your lack of refutation as a concession.
There are more white people now than ever. And they're more racially conscious than they've been in 100 years.
>>508773183
Does America have an immigration problem? Sure. But you're retarded for thinking that white people are going to willingly race mix themselves to extinction when whites have all been getting nigger fatigued and more racist. Jews survived for millennia by going out of their way to avoid mingling with goyim and there will always be white people who do the same thing.

>>508773183
>>508773256
See nazism is a false song guys. These people are just using racism and ethnic scapegoats to keep you voting for capitalism and they KNOW that capitalism is causing you openborders.

Theyre using your hate against you to profit and youre left paying the tab. This is why educated and smart people always note racism is stupid. One reason anyhow.

>>508772871
I think you are severely limiting your talent pool by saying no college allowed.

Most of the most talented gamers go to college.

>>508771111 (OP)
It's

>westerners get paid significantly less than their labor is worth, so they both want to work and don't want to work
>migrants are being paid significantly more than they'd have gotten in their country of origin so they don't mind as much

>>508772945
EXACTLY. The children of today should be punished for things that other people did in the past. THAT is what karma is. You do a good thing the universe rewards you. You do a bad thing. The universe will punish you. That is what karma is!

>>508772945
>Where an entire race of people goes extinct literally cuz they were so racist that they voted for this capitalist system primarily in order to harm black Americans whom theyd previously enslaved?

Jews aren't white. And they rape kids.

>>508771111 (OP)
There rally is no debate, that is just out-of-touch stupid lies that CEOs say to try and save face. Yet they wonder why their brains get turned into salmon noodle casserole for some reason...

>>508773340
It is like when the body tries to expel the disease but then dies of the disease

it's karma

>>508773300
"I accept your concession blah blah blah" you people have REALLY started overusing this phrase in a way thats become cringe and pointless.

So funny though that now all of the sudden America's immigration problems are no big deal! Whites arent going extinct! "White genocide" no longer is real hahahhahahahahaahahahahahahahahaa. Cuz youre all totally full of shit from the start. And your politics here are about peddling racism and antisemitism so you can blame jews, or another convenient scapegoat, for your own crimes as rightists.

>>508773231
Do leftists believe in the concept of a state?

>>508773360
/pol/acks. Youre talking about /pol/acks. /pol/acks arent white and rape kids. As always you people are intentionally just blaming jews for everything you do in a vain effort to appear less guilty.

>>508773394
Yeah of course we do what kind of a stupidass fucking question is that. Waste of time. What a waste of time.

>>508773382
No, sorry you don't actually know what karma is LMFAO

/pol/acks rape kids. Never forget it.

>>508773434
???????

Like the main purpose of marxism is to destroy the concept of the state. Do you even know your own ideology?

>>508773437
if the body had just ignored the disease and focused on organ class warfare it would have been fine

/pol/acks raped the entire white race and replaced them for profit. All while pretending to be racist and blaming jews for their own crimes.

foreskin check
which guys in this thread still have theirs?
i do

>>508773484
No none of your rightwing strawmen of marxism are, in any fashion, rooted in reality.

>>508771182
>>508772107
>>508772314
>>508772285
Holy mother of Based

This seems very interesting.

/pol/acks rape kids. /pol/acks rape whites. /pol/acks replace whites. /pol/acks fund wokeness and gay parades and all of the other stuff they pretend to hate in order to keep people voting for fascism. /pol/acks do all of the wars. /pol/acks did 911 in order to justify more wars for capitalism in the middle east. /pol/acks do all of these things and then just say "jews did it"

>>508771927
>They will work for the right money
>nooo muh inflation why is a big mac meal now $18

Can’t have it both ways, rightoids

>>508773566
>pojeet agrees fully with psychotic communist punching bag
pottery

>>508772620
We live in a neo Marxist Keynesian economy which is the opposite of a neo liberal one.

Neo liberal economies enforce borders

The rules of the market are called ESG and CSR and favour diversity equity and inclusion. This is not a market system.

Role models are irrelevant, regulation isn't.

You can win against Chinese manufacturing by not buying any of their cheap shoddy crap. This is done through tariffs. It can make or break the economy very easily. If America had access to china to sell products, this would debase their wealth as it has with the West.

Nobody in china is getting $65 ph for a janny job either so who cares?

>>508773591
>/pol/acks rape kids. /pol/acks rape whites. /pol/acks replace whites. /pol/acks fund wokeness and gay parades and all of the other stuff they pretend to hate in order to keep people voting for fascism. /pol/acks do all of the wars. /pol/acks did 911 in order to justify more wars for capitalism in the middle east. /pol/acks do all of these things and then just say "jews did it"
/pol/acks do zionism too. All zionism in America comes from /pol/acks. /pol/acks elect ALL of the biggest Israel supports. And thats because America's support for Israel is all for a far right /pol/ack imperialistic agenda to enforce capitalism upon the middle eastern region and plunder its oil.

>>508773535
You're a retard that doesn't understand what he believes lol

>>508773647
>biggest Israel supports.
supporters*

>>508773652
Yeah no. No wikipedia articles have nothing to do with communism.

>>508773615
He is right about your country and that makes you angry. Even I can see what's up sitting here 10000 miles away

>>508773706
You don't understand your own ideology you claim yourself as. Communists believe that proletariat will rise into a dictatorship that is followed by a stateless society that essentially has central government completely removed and instead power is transfered to communes.

Now. Are you actually telling me that leftists are HARD BORDERS type people. STRONG CENTRAL GOVERNMENT now? Meanwhile its actually capitalists that want open borders, effectively dissolving the state?

>>508773767
You see it that way, that's why democrat want so many brownoids here

>>508773861
No. None of your strawmen on the right about communism have any root in reality. That includes your wikipedia articles.

>508771182
>36 posts by this ID
so this thread is irrevocably shit by some shitposting faggot/very poor shill
Total immigration moratorium for 10 years, minimum, and behead all heads of federal reserve

Sad fact /pol/acks don't know: There are consequences to ignorance. There are consequences to willful ignorance. There are consequences for when you bury your head in the sand and live in your own little imaginary world where you constantly strawman your political opposition or deny basic facts as frequently as normal people breathe air. These consequences are your destruction. The destruction of your society AND the destruction of your precious race. Tough shit CHUDs.

>>508773877
The two party shitshow doesn't matter. Immigrants are a reality that won't change until the kiketapilst system exists. Cheap labour makes the line go up. That's why neocon Republicans absolutely fail to do anything about it.

>>508773910
What is it then? How does it differ from what I've said?

>>508773652
Even the wikipedia article you cite asks for yet another source. Amazing

>>508773314
You misunderstand.

College = normie = privileged.

I can't go to college. Therefore I hate everyone that can. Therefore I don't want to help you.

>>508774069
It doesn't actually make the line go up.
It makes the country into a shithole.

The idea that it makes the line go up is a lie perpetrated by kikes for a political agenda and brownoids for their own immigration agenda

>>508774095
Karl Marx wrote a critique of capitalism. He didn't write any meaningful descriptions of what a communist society would look like no matter how much you pretend he did.

>>508774002
Don't worry too much. They'll just blame everything on jews or some other scapegoat and move on. And nothing will change.

>>508771111 (OP)
No one can even define what an “American” is. Trying to pin down a general consensus among Americans or willing meaningful change within its populace is futile. The best you can do is extracting a few decent people to form something vaguely representing a parallel society. The only common thread tying Americans together is a vague libertarian ethos, consoomerism, and an absence of morality and principles. This """"country"""" is an economic zone and resource pool for culturally cohesive and generative nations to extract wealth from. The retarded mutt plebs here will sleepwalk to their own enslavement and no one can save them.

>>508774002
> There are consequences to willful ignorance. There are consequences for when you bury your head in the sand and live in your own little imaginary world

Is this you projecting since you don't even understand the basis for your own beliefs?

ONE OF THE FINAL REDPILLS IS REALIZING MONEY, WHICH IS QUANTIFIED ENERGY/MATTER, QUANTIFIED = LIMITED, ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE BLACKS AND JEWS WOULD STEAL IF A LIMIT WASN'T ON THE ENERGY WHITES/EAST ASIANS CREATE, I.E. IF THERE WERE NO BLACKS OR JEWS WE WOULD BE IN STAR TREK UNIVERSE WITH UNLIMITED BASIC GOODS AND REASONABLE LUXURIES, EXPLORING THE GALAXY TOO BUT INSTEAD WE HAVE TO BABYSIT THE 2+ (also jeets, sandnigs etc.) PROBLEM RACES

>>508774117
I was just giving you advice since you say you've gone years with no replies.
Probably most people who would take you up on it have gone to college

>>508774146
So then how would it look?

>>508774163
Thats how it all is. Yeah. They spend half their lives committing every crime imaginable and then the other half trying to blame any scapegoat imaginable for the crime.

>>508774202
I dont know what else to say to you but I am so sick of repeating myself to /pol/acks who just repeat their questions after being answered.

>>508774227
>>508774202
An anti-capitalist society, generally, would entail socialism. That'd be one thing thats not too huge of a leap into a communist direction. More or less all communists agree on that one in one sense or another.

>>508774132
You really believe the kikes care more about a political agenda than their own pockets? In America, money speaks

>>508774279
>>508774227

So there would be no immigration anymore if socialism were to take over capitalism? Would we have stronger borders?

>>508774366
You could have immigration with socialism but socialist economy doesnt require immigration in the way capitalist ones do. You people are mindnumbing to talk to due in part to how you jump to all of these bizarre non sequitur absolutes on ever issue.

>>508771111 (OP)

Why do you want to know everyone's business, finances, and "social status" Jew Anon?

>>508774427
>>508774366
BTW communist countries = no immigration. Not out of racism but they just dont depend on it the way western capitalism does.

>>508774355
Well apparently it also does in India because even your low class people spend their time bribing others. Money talks so much in America that Indians feel the need to raise up completely false companies whose sole existence is to try and get google play cards from elderly people in America. Thats how much money talks in the USA. Money talks so much that the Indians need that money. By any means.

>>508774355
Jews want money to speak, that is part of the political agenda because what's the alternative?

Otherwise, race speaks. Family speaks. That's how they are with their own, but in the mass culture they say "ahh you must be an individual goy, do not value your race, do not value your culture"

>>508774454
>>508774427
>>508774366
BTW another thing, its never going to matter because you people on this board will never get over your hatred. Your hatred is really the root of all of your issues but you cant see it. You cant just say "oh yeah im cool with socialism now cuz i wanna kick niggers out of America". Thats the rhetoric nazis sold Germans in the 1930s with jews and no socialism happened because it was all just rich capitalists using racism to manipulate morons.

>>508774427
You are making a critique that capitalism requires a constant influx of immigration. I ask you how socialism would handle it differently. You think that its mind numbing to have to answer that?

>>508774518
Sounds more like the problem is you not being able to convince others to your belief. Lol!

>>508774521
No I dont know what the difficulties you people have in accepting really basic answers are. Capitalism requires immigrants. Due to a number of different factors. This is a basic fact whether you all want to accept it or not.

Socialism does not REQUIRE immigrants. You can have immigration with socialism but you dont REQUIRE it. Thats why communist countries dont have any mass immigration and western, rightwing, fascist ones do.

>>508774571
Its not my problem. Its your problem. Youre the one who wants to "save the white race". I am entirely agnostic on what happens to whites or any other race. I only see things in a human sense.

>>508773167
Someone tell AOC she's on the wrong side of history

>>508774590
You are not giving answers. You are giving critiques of capitalism and instead of convincing people of your solutions. You offer no solution and then you shame other people for not buying what you're selling. But I think thats mostly because you don't understand fundamentally your own ideology lol.

>>508774590
Fascists are now into immigration?

Then what's wrong with fascism? It's exactly the same as the thing we have now

>>508771111 (OP)
I'll solve it right now. It doesn't matter how lazy American may or may not be they still need to work because they have bills. The jews and their Shabbos Goys forget this because they've got trustfund money, misappropriated tax payer money, and Holocaust reparations but it's not possible to just decide you aren't going to work and if you tried to do so it would take a lot of effort to survive. Ergo, its immigrants

>>508774650
LMFAO

>>508774622
>>508774571
>Its not my problem. Its your problem. Youre the one who wants to "save the white race". I am entirely agnostic on what happens to whites or any other race. I only see things in a human sense.
PS some part of me feels empathy for the problems white Americans [which I am one of] have with immigration. Im like "yeah OK I get why theyre angry. I get why race tensions are real and whatnot." but then I look at how you white Americans are making these problems entirely on their own. ENTIRELY on their own. ENTIRELY through their own hatred and ignorance for anyone of another race. And I am just like "nope. fuck it. theyre getting what they deserve. its karma." Trust me I have tried to explain things to white Americans all my life but white Americans never wanna listen. American whites are noted for never wanting to listen to anyone. American whites soon will be extinct so it won't matter.

>>508774590
I suspect no one wants to live in a socialist utopia because it a shit hole and tyrannical so immigration takes care of its self

See how white people have fled California.

Socialism needs someone to oppress.

If it targets Hispanic they do will fuck off. But they would rather die then go to a socialist country.

>>508774717
Uh huh yup fascists are into immigration. Whether they realize it or not. And more of them realize it than not.
>>508774698
Oh wow dude I have answered you SO clearly, SO many times. And these answers just make you butthurt so you do what lots of /pol/acks do and pretend you "werent being answered". And what it really is is an impotent way to mask your nazi rage and buttmaddedness.

>>508774461
What has this got to do with the point at hand. Oh wait, I forgot, you faggots don't actually care that your capitalist controlled governments change your ethnic demographic as long as you can be racist online.

>>508774518
It's actually funny that because of rising wealth inequality and lowering life standards even in muttmerica, some of them are trying to synchronise their racial hatred with left wing economy by emphasising the "socialist" part of national socialist or coming up with more insane terminologies like "MAGA Maoism". But it'll never work.

>>508771915
The problem is solved with a neat hack: Small businesses

The problem is brown immigrants don’t have the mental capacity to operate small businesses. That’s why corporations like them so much. The low cost of labor is just an added benefit

>>508774761
So if White Americans voted for National Socialism they would get mass migration and the karma wouldn't be on the other foot?

>>508771111 (OP)
It's the bottom option
Fuck investors, fuck CEOs, fuck wall street.
I want to afford some land and a tacoma, not a mansion and a lambo

>>508774800
Great. Cool story. Anyway to anyone reading this thread, THIS is the guy replacing you. No matter how racist, nazi, antisemitic, "based", and for closed borders he claims to be.

THIS is the real face of the guy who is replacing you. It aint "jews" or "democrats". Its your own nazis whose politics exist SOLELY to use jewish scapegoats and identity politics to protect billionaire capitalists from socialism.

>>508774761
>nope. fuck it. theyre getting what they deserve. its karma

I actually doubt you even understand what the concept of karma is lol

>>508774886
You already live in a fascist country thats being flooded by mass immigration I mean open your eyes.

>>508774844
They expell all the immigrants.

Nazi Germany, Franco Shot most of them. Mussolini chased them all out to America.

I would say they don't realize it. Since immigration is pretty much the central issue for fascists and they are openly against it

>>508771111 (OP)
It's the 2nd one. I had a frank conversation with a recruiter for a defense contractor and while I didn't have a specific qualification they wanted (which is kind of bullshit if I match 90% of the rest of the JD) he basically was saying how I needed to dumb myself down. This is something I am opposed to but it speaks volumes to the competency crisis that looms on the horizon. We've all known we're being artificially shut out
>WW20K

>>508774854
Yeah I mean they are just mirroring the nazi playbook from the 1920s and 30s. "Pretend to be socialist when its popular in order to get votes from the poor and working class. Then bag on all of the socialism once youre in office. Murder the poors. And enslave the workers. Keep the public distracted from their own enslavement with identity politics culturewarring."

Nazi playbook from the 1930s.

>>508774854
Would you say that America in the passed had better wealth equality and overall less oppression of the poor in the past or today?

>>508774970
No. All of the immigrants are in America and Europe due to you and your retard far right fascist politics.

>>508775004
How did the Nazis raise such a large army if they enslaved all the people of their nation? Am I to believe that all of the german soldiers were forced to fight?

>>508771111 (OP)
crypto and onlyfans millionaires have demoralized a generation and devalued labor, if you work for a wage you are looked at as a loser

>>508771111 (OP)
americans want to work, but they also want to work for non third-world wages.
corporations take advantage of the visa system to create a caste of indentured servants who have to accept whatever the company gives them because their employer is sponsoring their visa. it's a common tactic for bosses to threaten to cancel a worker's visa to get them to fall in line.

>>508774893
If im less racist I will blame billionaires for effecting the European courts to rule in favour of mass migration on vague evidence of being persecuted?

Billionaires paid them to be internationalist like they pay the labour party?

Let's compromise, I will be less racist when the foreigners fuck off.

They don’t hire white people

>>508773599
The difference is being made up by the wealthy gaining more complete ownership of the property in the country. They could be paid more without it necessarily causing inflation if the economy wasn't set up to impoverish them to the point where they'll have to sell anything they own that's of real value and transfer it to the wealthy.

>>508775158
The random Indian here in this thread will try to claim that all the H1Bs are very talented saaars but then will not have a single answer as to why the H1Bs are incapable of acquiring an O1a visa

>>508775004
They are not even trying with the socialist part though. Republicans believe that anti-immigration rhetoric and racial tension itself will keep them in power. This board doesn't have any political pull anyway. Even most of the neo jew hatred recently is coming from anti-zionist leftists and muslims. Nobody takes the hitlerianism seriously.

>>508775005
It has been getting worse since the 90s. Especially after 2008 recession

>>508775158
It’s essentially the modern day mining town

>>508774921
Well we live in a New Left Marxist one.

The New Left combines ideas form Marx, Fascism and Fabianism.

Economically it's corporatist like the fascists but less functional. Corporation meaning, as it always has, a public and private partnership.

However culturally it focuses on gender theory and race theory so booting elements of maoism

Like Maoism it will blame capitalism for its overt failure.

>>508775037
We have never been allowed to have a far right government as it's against the post war consensus.

>>508775117
Things were fucked 15 years ago retard. That’s why cryptobros clicked on a button. They said fuck it, I’ll buy a ticket

>>508775232
So you're saying as the proportion of white people in America declines, things seemingly get worse?

>>508775315
Crypt and OF are like less than 10!years old

>>508775219
Rare talent has got nothing to do with most white collar skilled work. It can be learnt through an education. Those workers undercutting the locals at lower wages is pure Capitalism at play.

50 years ago this wouldn't have been possible because of no tech education in India. But then again 50 years ago the technology was still nascent compared to today. Both these realities developed simultaneously. There is no silicon valley, as it exists in its current shape and form of economy, without H1B Indians

>>508775389
Bitcoin started in 2009. OF which is just glorified cam girls has been around since at least the 90's but is really just an offshoot and natural progression from phone sex and normal prostitution

>>508775500
But why aren't they good enough to get the O1as? Did they not study in school? Why would they want to be mediocre?

Americans shouldn't have to work.
All other nations are full of shitty pants ugly retards who brag about how hard they work because otherwise they are nothing.
If there was any justice in this world, all other nations would be reduced to ash.
Now fuck off and get off our website you stupid ugly freaks.

>>508775321
This irrational fixation on race is exactly what that other guy was criticising. Your rhetoric will change nothing precisely because you have a case of /pol/brain. You will look at the myriad of ways your own Capitalist class fucks you over and still find a way to blame jews or whatever for it. Which is fine with them.

>>508775271
Wow look at all of these pointless buzzwords you threw together to try to make yourself seem smart while you gaslight and mislead the public.

You don't live in a Marxist society. You live in a rightwing, fascist, anti-Marxist society. Your society wars all over the world against Marxism and any leftwing political philosophy.

>>508775589
Whatever weird insinuation you are trying to make here falls flat in the face of logic. O1a and H1B serve completely different economic purposes and as such take in different people's based on seperate crtieria. And if the H1Bs serve the purpose they are meant for then their existence is wholly justified. If America only wanted O1As they would've only allowed O1As. Any Indian (or whoever) that does qualify for O1A will get it and serve that particular purpose. Same for H1B

>>508775232
Yes you are correct but with Trump you see the seeds of nazi rhetoric in that many white Americans somehow believe he's a socialist basically. Or a Marxist. They believe he's "fighting for the little people or the working man" or something. And each time he campaigns he makes these token leftist promises which are totally empty. Such as ending our wars. Or nationalizing banks (he said that in 2016). Or universal healthcare (something else he strongly misled the public to believe he would support in 2016). And then once elected he quickly moves away from those policies and focuses on empty racebait same way the nazis did.

>>508775158
>americans want to work, but they also want to work for non third-world wages.
>corporations take advantage of the visa system to create a caste of indentured servants who have to accept whatever the company gives them because their employer is sponsoring their visa. it's a common tactic for bosses to threaten to cancel a worker's visa to get them to fall in line.
H1B is the perfect arrangement for the employer, gives them ideal employees who are trapped at their job, cannot move to another company, and are forced to work for lower wages, which has the added benefit of suppressing wages for their native employees. Same reason we will never get universal health care, the employer based health care system keeps employees trapped and wages suppressed, they cant move to negotiate higher wages. Capitalist aren't stupid, they will always find the closest approximation to slave labor they can get away with. China was the perfect solution to the slave labor problem for the last 30 years.

>>508775973
>>508775158
Given that most of our CEOs, engineers, boardroom executives and PhDs are here on H1B visas, I would say your claims about them being underpaid are entirely fictional bullshit designed to gaslight the public on whats really happening and somehow make fascists seem pro-worker. Same as all of /pol/'s claims. They are ALL materially false.

>>508775968
Trump and MAGA would never use the word "socialist" or "Marxist" but they do pretend to speak for the common working white man. While of course enacting policies that would end up making them poor and giving their jobs to underpaid immigrants. They may certainly deport all the illegals once they make sure that the average white dude is poor enough to do those jobs

>>508776167
>>>508775973
>>>508775158
>Given that most of our CEOs, engineers, boardroom executives and PhDs are here on H1B visas, I would say your claims about them being underpaid are entirely fictional bullshit designed to gaslight the public on whats really happening and somehow make fascists seem pro-worker. Same as all of /pol/'s claims. They are ALL materially false.
PS H1Bs are another situation in which America is fundamentally dependent on immigration and cant stop. Theres NO business in America without H1Bs. The ONE drive that America has to attract businesses here is the H1B program. This is why silicon valley exists. Why big tech exists. Its why the American military still has current technology thats generally competitive with the chinese even though its a declining society.

Without H1Bs the entire American economy collapses and all of those businesses leave for overseas. And there simply IS no American talent to replace those visaholders.

>>508772107
you're a special breed of retard

>>508776392
There will never be any mass deportations from America. Ever. Especially not by the right. Not only is 70% of our agricultural sector dependent on illegal foreign labor in order to keep our food prices low, but that would collapse demand here and lead to a ton of other issues too. No way for you to know that stuff since you're Indian and our media here has desperately tried to hide how dependent western capitalism is on foriegn labor for its own survival, but other than that I would say "I agree".

>>508775884
Do you think that the h1b system can be abused?

Do you think that Wypro, Infosys, HCL, Tata, Cognizant are white people companies?

>>508776486
Cool. Great. Great answer.

>>508776530
>There will never be any mass deportations from America. Ever. Especially not by the right
Yeah I know. I was half joking. Makes you wonder why this rhetoric even exists. What do Americans have against mexican illegals? So much so that they would allow Trump twice into power

>>508776534
>Do you think that the h1b system can be abused?
Idk. I'm not part of that system. From what I've heard it's really hard to get.
>Do you think that Wypro, Infosys, HCL, Tata, Cognizant are white people companies?
No. But they have nothing to do with H1B either. It's pure outsourcing

>>508771111 (OP)
>conclusive evidence
good luck, the problem is a gov/corpo/cartel issue, Americans actually got retarded enough for it, which is hilariously deserved, burn that corrupt shit hole to the ground.

>>508776997
>What do Americans have against mexican illegals? So much so that they would allow Trump twice into power
I don't have any problem with them. I am multilingual and have always gotten along well with them. But I mean I know that race tension are real. And they cut both ways. Like its hard for Americans to have a clear mind after they experience someone hating them for being white for the 1st time. Americans just don't have that insight and emotional intelligence to empathize with what another person goes through. Or to realize why generalizing an entire group of people on the basis of its worst representatives is wrong.

>>508777113
>>508776997
>>What do Americans have against mexican illegals? So much so that they would allow Trump twice into power
>I don't have any problem with them. I am multilingual and have always gotten along well with them. But I mean I know that race tension are real. And they cut both ways. Like its hard for Americans to have a clear mind after they experience someone hating them for being white for the 1st time. Americans just don't have that insight and emotional intelligence to empathize with what another person goes through. Or to realize why generalizing an entire group of people on the basis of its worst representatives is wrong.
Oh I guess one more thing I should note is that the ones coming up here specifically are the ones with very rightwing politics, by and large. And that makes them annoying from my point of view but I mean I tend to think thats rooted in some form of trauma and "socioeconomic struggles" in terms of where theyre coming from. Poverty can, paradoxically, turn someone super rightwing just due to how it traumatizes their brain and leaves them all PTSD ridden and paranoid of others.

>>508771111 (OP)
False dichotomy when the end goal is to fully mongrelize the USA.

The bourgeoisie classes have been saying the proletariat class don't want to work for over a century. As in why we have Nobody Wants to Work Anymore headlines going back to the dawn of printed news papers until today.
Labor wants to be compensated at a fair rate but we have allowed too much power to Corp owners and now everyone is being screwed.
Immigrants are not the reason for decades of stagnate wages despite huge productivity gains. Most USA workers aren't directly competing with immigrants. We are getting shit on by wealthy fellow Americans, not the shitskin hordes picking fruit or cleaning bathrooms

>>508773599
Inflation and prices have gone up hundreds of times more than wages you fucking retarded cunt

>>508777113
>>508777260
We took in 10 million Bangladeshis after the 71 war and nobody batted an eye. These racial tensions you speak of are certainly propped up by vested parties and interests. One thing is that the immigrants, since underpaid, are bound to belong to a different economic class which might make them unpalatable to other classes

>>508777443
>t. doesn't understand supply and demand.
Immigrant works for less money, because he is desperate
... in turn he makes those people who would be working in those industries poorer and more desperate.

What's the result? those people now have to either work for less or try to get higher pay jobs in skilled industries. And in those industries they will work for less and produce an inferior product.

The existence of more laborers creates pressure that goes all the way up the chain. The only people who benefit are the jews at the very top who are paying less to everybody.

>>508773910
>nonononono goyim you dont understand that wasn't REAL communism see look if I was made supreme leader MY version of communism would be perfect and everything woukd just work.

Most of you retards don't even have jobs, let alone anything else to temper your ideology with how reality works.

>>508774146
>no see look muh jew schizobabble book said so
Man you people are as fucking thick as christcucks are. You both drink from the poisoned jewish ideology well, and do everything in your power to support them.

>>508777574
>we took in our culturally and ethnically similar neighbor and no problems, SO LET ME IN US of A SAAAARR AAAAHHH!!!
shut the fuck up retard

>>508772871
1) a common rpg. a variety of older games
2) Sort of. I've bounced from "hidden power level" isolated groups and some more normie groups but tend to come into conflict with either group
3) Not particularly. Despite my isolated statements being caught by the rare normie (when they bother to notice) as "hateful". I don't particularly want to torment or harass anyone. My acquaintances would claim otherwise but rebuking liars and hypocrites, I wouldn't say, is pursuing wanton trolling.
4) nepotism affords me to exist and not much else.
5) off and on. Probably if I added 0-1 semesters the accumulated credits over various stints would probably make an associates degree but I've given up on that for the last time.
6) Somewhat. I think the intent and results range from capable to above average.
7) have some unburned bridges
8) have an off and on tendency to drink

I don't know why I'd respond to this (and a memeflag at that) but it does coincide with some recent thoughts. As to the OP's question: men are checked out as the social, cultural, and intimate disconnects are far too great to devote motivation to what has become a bad deal. The case is fair that total apathy is self-defeating versus the adversaries that have made domestic conditions as such: but I, and many, didn't develop the necessary sociopathy and/or were derailed from the anchors of social engagement to justify self sacrifice; or to see participation as anything other than collusion with the enemy while surrounded by peers that will constantly, and inadvertently, echo the (manufactured) sentiments of our oppressors.

I've considered utilizing my artistic leanings for some monetized content. Fucking why not. I've engaged with enough faggy vidya and media and can string words together. But the censorship commissars are more powerful than ever and building a brand with a memeflag on the JIDF slide-board doesn't seem like a strong way to build a channel.

>>508775500
>indians
>talent
You guys can't even make india a functional country, you should really stop bragging about how talented you people are, espwcially when 2/3rds of you are anemic, and more than half of you still shit in the street like animals

>>508771111 (OP)
Americans are lazy and dont want to work but also dont want to be flooded with cheap labor.

>>508777574
>These racial tensions you speak of are certainly propped up by vested parties and interests.
Well yup. I agree with you 100% on this one.

>>508777870
>>508777813
See this anon? THIS is the anon opening your borders for you. No matter how much he resents me saying this. No matter how much he swears he's not. No matter how much he swears he's "based and super super super racist against nonwhites". THIS is the real face of what an openborders advocate looks like. It doesn't look like a democrat. It looks like the guy trying to shill you jewish scapegoats for everything in order to put down socialism and promote capitalism.

>>508778087
>percent of total applications

>India == 74.5%

>>508771182
Been this way since before 1860

Jews want 1 thing and it's disgusting

>>508778330
You want 1 thing and it's disgusting, you mean. You. Not jews. Not your scapegoat. You.

>>508778258
>starts babbling and strawmanning as hard as he can
Yeah I already didn't expect much in the way of intellectual capability from you, so thanks for proving me right I guess.

>>508776564
ikr, I've spared others your inane ramblings based on a false premise. cry about it bitch

>>508778509
You da man.

>>508778561
it's good that you recognize your betters.

>>508778692
You da white kang.

>>508778789
nigger confirmed, that explains a lot

>>508779073
OK

>>508772031
Ye

>>508772235
Very good post. I think sometimes people are afraid to read longer posts. But im not

>>508771111 (OP)
It’s the latter, also checked

>>508771111 (OP)
It's the first one.

>>508771111 (OP)
if they can't sort it out, they'll die in a few years when people sort it out for them. if they can't or won't keep people pacified then people will kill them. everyone always forgets how violent folks can be and violent white folks shape history, they don't burn up a city block when they're mad.

So you think you mutted everyone up to the point nobody is white and you're safer? the whitest people will act like they're 100% white and won't have the guilt that keeps them from killing off the darkest people

this is literally all history is, whites aren't gonna be defeated because everyone wants to be white

>>508771111 (OP)

> job is underpaid
> government doesnt flood country with niggers
> pay for job goes up
> someone does job

>>508771111 (OP)
Cmon OP you don't know this place if you don't know all the neet threads are influence ops to fuck up the West. You can't deduce from the surface level

>>508780896

>>508771111 (OP)
If you and someone else want to save money and trade items and cash without paying tax, you'll go to prison.
If you're an employer and you want to save money by hiring an illegal invader who drives up the cost of goods and services for everyone else, you get extra favorable treatment by the government and pardons if you're ever caught.
Almost the entire government should be fucking strung up.

>>508771111 (OP)
very simple, we indians will takeover all the high end jobs then the dalit indians will takeover the low skill labor. white birthrate will decrease then no one will be left to bitch and complain. there's a reason trumps own phone company is not made in the usa.