i have been thinking, what if the world is just the way it is? what if there is no such a thing as a deepstate, a hidden satanic cult, or just hidden knowledge in general?
assuming that ockham's razor is true, and the amount of assumptions you need to make to claim those things, and the amount of coordination needed to create some hidden power, saying that the guys at the top are just normal guys seems more plausible, but beyond that, it would explain a lot
maybe shit is just socially complex, and creating a global society made up of humans whose minds can fail at any moment would lead to problems one way or the other

maybe there is no hidden knowledge, no "one big conspiracy", just a bunch of semi organized sociopaths at the top, and things are more obvious than they seem

>>508779850 (OP)
OK but hear me out...
What if jews are the way they are?

>>508779910
i mean im not saying that jewish people aren't generally bad, im saying that maybe they run things like the media out of nepotism for example, same things with indians in the tech industry
like thats a simpler explanation than some other shit people say

>>508779850 (OP)
Yup that's how it be

>>508779981
Yea that all sounds reasonable. But you have to understand if you say they are nepotistic, then obviously some subset of them are going to engage in some kind of political conspiracies (just a word for working together) to enact their political goals that benefit them as a race.

>>508780440
as opposite to who? everyone does this to some degree, people who are gay want pro gay laws to be approved, people who care a lot about the color of their skin will do so (black with BLM stuff, some white people with pro white stuff, although not as common)
and politicians will also work towards their interests, you don't need to be jewish to be power hungry or use the state for your own benefit

basically, the claim that "jews want to rule the world" is less reasonable than "a lot of people want to rule the world", because every group, race, or even religion, religious people would like their religion to have some effect on the state, this isn't specific to the jews

but my main theory is towards "big" organized conspiracies, 2 or 3 jews, indians, protestants or fascists wanting to manipulate the senate is inevitable

>>508779850 (OP)
Did you see how everyone in the entire world played along with the COVID19 plandemic?
Did you see how all the media across the globe all turned to the same story.
Did you see how all politicians, all media all ranwith the same script.

This narrative has been debunked by COVID19, they were exposed and there is no hiding now is there anon.

>>508779850 (OP)

>what if there is no such a thing as a deepstate, a hidden satanic cult,

Nice try Tyresenstein

>>508780909
>everyone does this to some degree, people who are gay want pro gay laws to be approved, people who care a lot about the color of their skin will do so (black with BLM stuff, some white people with pro white stuff, although not as common)
Yes

>the claim that "jews want to rule the world" is less reasonable than
It's a question of what you want to focus on. What is the threat that needs to be identified for our survival?
Yes everyone wants to rule the world, but in particular jews are having an effect which is very harmful to us, and so we need to organize to oppose them.

Yes fags and nigs are bad too, we need to oppose them as well... but most people on the right are already aware of those issues.

It's a lot more than 2 or 3. There is something called the world jewish congress. There are these big institutions that get together and decide a direction for jewish interests, so that everyone interested can get on board with the agenda. There are lots of materials published, and it's not easy to say exactly how many are participating willingly or just by tangential interests that coincide

>>508779910
Correct.

The world is the shitty way it is because of a jewish conspiracy. They work together to advance zoinist aims of isreal and to the detriment of everyone else.

It’s not even that hard to figure out. Especially with the internet. Men like Henry Ford and Uncle Adolf knew the score before the internet, of course, but now even those of us that aren’t geniuses can easily see that the reason things suck is because of the jewish conspiracy.

>>508781085
>Did you see how everyone in the entire world played along with the COVID19 plandemic?
they didn't, certain governments resisted, governors (of florida, south dakota and texas) or the president at the time (donald trump) also argued against things like the lockdown
companies didn't because A) companies didn't because there could be legal repercussions, B) the public in general was more to the pro-vaccine side than anything else, so having a opinion contrary to most people would be a financially questionable choice
media both has people who resisted (fox news is a example), even CNN criticized closure of schools at a certain point
so no, EVERYONE didn't go along, unless you want to make wild assumptions, which for me, is not valid

>>508779850 (OP)
What is OP is a psychopathic flaggot jew

>>508781415
>It's a question of what you want to focus on.
why do we need to focus specifically on the "jews" if a person doesn't need to be a jew to harm "us", it's also wild to assume that every jew is doing whatever
but even if you assume (and keyword is assume) that 80% of people who are trying to fuck the world are jews, aiming at jews is counter productive, if you just decide to oppose anyone who poses a threat in general you would be more both effective and more people would support you, because the populi are more prone to hating the "elites" than being anti semitic due to a lot of weight that comes with it,
and at the end of the day, the result is the same, jews are whatever people are making everything gay and lame would "lose"
>There is something called the world jewish congress
doesn't seem very hidden to me, and their interests are pretty obvious from what i am reading

>>508779850 (OP)
What if Jews and their shabbos goys rape and sacrifice children for satan.

>>508783217
the epistemological risk i would have to take when making that claim is gigantic

>>508782655
I explained because the jews are having an outsized effect right now in the current world.
It's about the harm they are doing to us now. The point is to educate people to the nature of the group doing the harming so that we can organize against it. What's unclear about that?

It's like why does israel need to focus on iran if any country could harm them? Why are they so worried about iran having nukes? Lots of countries could nuke israel. Lots of countries can drop a missile salvo on tel aviv.
Of course that is their largest threat. I'm sure you understand it in that context.

Tell them to stop opposing iran and start opposing abstract threats from anybody who is enemy.
That is nonsense though, right?

>>508782655
>doesn't seem very hidden to me, and their interests are pretty obvious from what i am reading
Yes world jewish congress is public so you have to admit it exists. But what is unknown and hidden is who is participating in this agenda? How many? You are busy denying it is any significant number, but obviously you can't be sure, you are just guessing. Lots of things are like this. You want me to assume the best, but actually when it comes to foreign groups like this, we should assume the worst for our own safety.

>>508779850 (OP)

A bunch of semi organized Reptile "people", Piggers, " fellow white" Jews, Niggerjews, and Faggots, but they have enough NPCs to build their prison complexes and follow their jewish law scriptures and pay enough street thugs and state thugs to make it some sort of "society" that Straight White Non Jews are walking away from Anon

>>508779850 (OP)
true depends on which way you take it
>its all the way it is there is no grand conspiracy yea some things are fucked but alas such is life ying and yang and all dat
or
>its all the way it is there is no grand conspiracy because everyone is in on it instinctively by nature no agenda needed because they are literal demons already
the former is untrue the latter is

>>508779850 (OP)
Well then you are one big fucking retard
I've seem some really weird shit that most people would call 'esoteric' and 'a conspiracy' with my own eyes and I'm just a mid-level musician with connection to major music labels like universal and sony

>>508779850 (OP)
If I write a name on the bottom of a sewer cap and you can't read it unless you lift the sewer cap

Is it hidden enough?

>>508783442
>The point is to educate people to the nature of the group doing the harming so that we can organize against it
>Tell them to stop opposing iran and start opposing abstract threats from anybody who is enemy.
well, from the way i see it jews aren't far from being the only threat to society, and it's different contexts, because you have to convince people to believe certain things, israel can just do whatever they want, you don't have the luxury of assuming that people will start organizing if you say TKD enough, mostly because they won't, most people don't want to be so extreme to the point of hating every jew in the world
its easier to fuel people's disdain for something they already hate (generally people who are rich, powerful, etc) and using that to eliminate threats, but this is really not my area of expertise and it's very opinion based, i'm just saying that out of pragmatism
>you are just guessing.
that (was) my original point before this devolved into talking about the jews, following ockcams razor, how many assumptions do i need to make to say that every major politician is a jew? as opposite to how many assumptions i need to make to say that people who are narcissistic are prone to wanting to get in power, and by consequence do the things they do? it's the very reason why it's pretty hard to believe things people say here, and it's not really about the jews either, jews are very explicit about what they want, it's not insane to doubt many of the theories posted here man

>>508784960
>you don't have the luxury of assuming that people will start organizing if you say TKD enough, mostly because they won't, most people don't want to be so extreme to the point of hating every jew in the world
>its easier to fuel people's disdain for something they already hate (generally people who are rich, powerful, etc) and using that to eliminate threats, but this is really not my area of expertise and it's very opinion based, i'm just saying that out of pragmatism
My thing is just about education. I am just here to reveal the nature of the issue as i see it, and i leave it to the great societal machine to figure out how to resolve the problem. I don't believe there exists any such machiavelli who can accurately predict how everything will turn in society, so overinvesting in one 'way to achieve the goal' doesn't make sense. Lots of people have different ideas of how to solve it and they will enact their own solutions. Some will say TKD, some will say it's the rich people (jewish), all kind of meme psyops.... I believe if we all have the will to achieve the end goal, somebody will discover the right strategy and we will get there sooner or later. But in order to achieve that we need to maximize the number of people seeking to solve the problem. That is my goal in the longterm strategy.

Your analysis about occams razor doesn't really work because you are talking about millions and millions of people. Trying to simplify the behavior of millions of people by reducing assumptions doesn't really make sense. The number of conspiracies is actually large. What is the best way to describe the sum of the conspiracies and interests and actions? Well, it's the jews. That's how we summarize it.

The frame is about our survival so it shouldn't be "what aspects can i prove beyond doubt given what i know", it should be more like "what dangers do i need to be aware of given what I know and what I don't know/ can't know".

>>508786062
>The number of conspiracies is actually large. What is the best way to describe the sum of the conspiracies and interests and actions? Well, it's the jews. That's how we summarize it.
that clarifies things, not too different from the idea of the "elites" in populist theory
>The frame is about our survival so it shouldn't be "what aspects can i prove beyond doubt given what i know", it should be more like "what dangers do i need to be aware of given what I know and what I don't know/ can't know".
i confess that i have high levels of empathy, so the idea of reducing a entire race of people to a summarization and by consequence saying that every jew should die, evil or not as a method of precaution is kinda of absurd to me
that being said, i also am not sure about what "dangers" one should be aware of that politicians doing stupid shit don't already put me in, it's the great replacement theory i assume?

>>508786062
>I believe if we all have the will to achieve the end goal, somebody will discover the right strategy and we will get there sooner or later.

Who we, /pol/ or people in general? Because the latter generally dont give a fuck about most shit /pol/ concerns itself with, except economic well being and safety.

>>508787069
yeah thats a good point, i personally just want the prices of houses to go lower so i can have a family without going bankrupt and have everything not to be gay and lame, the latter is a direct consequence of elites, which includes jews i guess

>>508786756
>and by consequence saying that every jew should die, evil or not as a method of precaution is kinda of absurd to me
Like I said, I leave the solution open, yet to be discovered.
For example, one idea might be that we just remove jews from positions of authority/influence in white society. Why should a foreign race have power over our society? Doesn't make sense if you just consider their incentives at a basic level.

>>508786756
>i also am not sure about what "dangers" one should be aware of that politicians doing stupid shit don't already put me in, it's the great replacement theory i assume?
Well the topic is much discussed so you should lurk for a while longer if you want to understand it. But the summary is basically jewish interest manifests in society as a push for organizing minority interests into a glob that opposes the white peoples' interests. This includes things like open borders, DEI, cultural atomization( disarming of white christian racial and cultural consciousness), lgbt politics, increased pornography. You should read mein kampf actually if you are interested. Hitler describes the problem and it is pretty much the same as today.

>>508787069
>>508787311
>Because the latter generally dont give a fuck about most shit /pol/ concerns itself with, except economic well being and safety.
I am just thinking of anybody who might be interested in resolving political issues. It's true that at one time mostly this was just people on /pol/, but I think the situation is evolving where you have more generally people in politics are taking it seriously.

>>508787848
>open borders, DEI, cultural atomization( disarming of white christian racial and cultural consciousness), lgbt politics, increased pornography.
oh yeah i know about that, but i don't think thats specific to the jews, or the elites for that matter, just general societal bullshit, a lot of people don't need jewish intervention to support those
>You should read mein kampf actually if you are interested
currently im studying the problem of epistemological risks, when i solve that and do a deep dive into politics i will make sure to do that

>>508788347
>i don't think thats specific to the jews
It's not specific to the jews, but it is how their interests manifest.
So their effect in general is to push things in that direction.
Which is a problem because they are occupying our media/hollywood/finance and in turn having significant effects on our politics.

The fact that they have successfully organized to promote these goals basically makes them an existential threat to us who want to live. To save ourselves we need to dismantle their cultural institutions.

>>508788673
>The fact that they have successfully organized
nigger, that's what Christians used to be before they were psyoped into suicide via d-n-c.

>>508788299
There is growing support for /pol/ thinking, but in its ideological form its still pretty obscure. Most anti migration and anti globohomo sentiment is based on migrants commiting crime and globohomo forcing people to finance/fight in war or forcing some laws regardin green agenda etc., its based on convenience. Most of them would change sides the second /pol/ types would demand something from them. People seriously caring about white heritage or culture are still marginal.

Also, most people, even whites, 'enjoy' at least some aspects of modern system.

>>508789190
>Most anti migration and anti globohomo sentiment is based on migrants commiting crime and globohomo forcing people to finance/fight in war or forcing some laws regardin green agenda etc.
This is just redpill 1.0

Basically you have redpills:
1.0 --- niggers and crimerates
2.0 ---- fags and globalist international influence
3.0 --- International jewry manifested in 2 parts (zionist conspiracy + anti-white domestic policies)

>>508789437
Its not about redpill level, but giving a fuck. There are a lot of people who want to fuck around, be childless, fags, like to jerk off, like material things, hedonism etc. and would be against any /pol/ type of ideology. Even JQ in /pol/ sense cant make sense to them, as they see most issues highlightened in JQ as good. The ideological starting point is different, based on personal wellbeing vs racial/cultural duty, heritage (pol). And they would consider any /pol/ type ideology as threat to their lifestyle or even life, exept if theyr basic premises are changed, which is much harder to do.

>>508790770
Almost nobody who is on /pol/ today was inborn with any kind of race loyalty. We were all educated to be race-blind and generally humanist and basically concerned with our own wellbeing. That is how we were all brought up.
Many people will stay that way, but for many, it's a question of education. It's a question of understanding the bigger picture.