is Gnosticism the final redpill?

Kike thread

>>508782497 (OP)
No. Reality has an objective component, it is very small but very real.

>>508782497 (OP)
its the reddit of occultism sphere

>>508782497 (OP)
Why would it be?

>>508782497 (OP)
Just as retarded as christianty in it's complete rejection of reality. Reality is literally anti-christcuck.

>>508782497 (OP)
Even I thinks it's shit tier.

It's fun but it isn't robust enough to build a culture off of which is the whole point so it fails.

>>508782497 (OP)
No, you are simply signing up to contribute to the demiurge. There are more nuanced ideas that bring you closer to God.

>>508782497 (OP)
Oversocialised cope.

>>508782818
Actually reality is based on what is written in that book

>>508783063
Like what? Talking donkeys?

>>508783010
You zoom into that background until you start seeing strong predators taking lives of weak herbivores without putting any thought into it, leaving their remains to be consumed by disgusting insects.
There is always pointless brutality of microcosm behind the facade of macrocosm.

>>508782497 (OP)
Look up Advaita Vedanta

>>508783170
Case in point. Get out of the city.

>>508782497 (OP)
I think it's more plausible than mainstream abrahamic theologies, and broadly agrees with the eastern esoteric ideas about reincarnation.
There seems to be a common element that just resonates with people, about the spiritual goal of life being to not go through it again and if able, help others avoid that fate also.
That being said, it is also the basis of some of the most horrible ideas out there, like the whole Frankist judaism thing and elites thinking they serve the Archons for worldly rewards.

>>508783010
Nature is full of insects, pass

>>508783302
Thanks, bro.

>>508782497 (OP)
Yes, it gives context to the demonic nature of these other religious cults. They seek authoritative control over people’s lives, encourage blind faith, and condemn all knowledge not written in their religious texts. They want you to be ignorant sheep to be herded. Gnosticism encourages knowledge seeking, individualism, and seeks to liberate you from the very ignorance and blind faith that the Demiurge requires of it’s subjects

>>508782497 (OP)
>is Gnosticism the final redpill?
No, the final redpill is putting all together and realizing its MUSHROOMS.

Eat of my body
Tree of knowledge
Manna
Burning bush
Oriboros
Holy grail

mushrooms

>>508787142
Based and Mycelium-pilled

>>508787142
This guy gets it. Take the Psilocybin pill. Become one with nature.

>>508782497 (OP)
>is Gnosticism the final redpill?
I don't gnow.

>>508787445
Gnow you gnow

>>508782497 (OP)
Every non populist, non democractic, non nationalist thought is a different shade of the same blue pill.

>>508782497 (OP)
Most people don’t even know what that is

>>508782497 (OP)
No, it was the first blue pill.

The ultimate and final redpill is the realization that platonism is the OG poz from where all of the schizophrenic ideologyslop stems from and that the embrace of the imperfect reality without vilifying it is what you're supposed to do as a living being. The pursuit of a false perfection and ideal, whether rational or spiritual, is just a recurrence of the same rebellion against material reality and all of the universe. A rebellion that you will never win and that will only devolve you into a bugman plugged into the matrix (metaphorically and soon enough literally) where you have finally escaped the ugliness for the chance of being the perfect womanly self that you had always imagined as the "right" and "ideal" reflection of you. A society where platonism recurs in some form will always devolve into escapist Weimarian trannies and a society that has learned to live in the ugly reality will always end up dominating and nuking it.

>>508788203
Read continental philosophy, don't begin and end with Plato lol

This thread is still up in the archives
>>507357179

>>508782497 (OP)
In Gnostic thought, the demiurge is seen as a false creator—a tyrant king who constructs a counterfeit reality designed to enslave people in ignorance and control. This is the basis for all branches of Abrahamic.
The Jewish God is the Demiurge and the other two branches Christianity and Islam are the sword and shield of the Jew.
The materialistic prison does not refer to the actual world, but materialistic prison they force onto you.
For the influencers like Andrew Tate and his whole, what colour is your Bugatti, is such a slogan that reenforces a hylic.
A soul bound in the material.

The prison they create is with their central banking debt slavery, binding their slaves to a life of work to enrich the children of Satan, the Jews. Today, the Abrahamic have largely been replaced with other forms of Gods, such as democracy and football.
Both serve as tools of the demiurge and his children of Satan, the Jews.

Gnosticism is not the final red pill, its only the first taste of esoteric thought that explains your current matrix that you were groomed with through your state funded brainwashing known as school.
The story of the Garden of Eden, particularly the symbolism of the forbidden fruit, is allegory for awakening from Satan.
The act of eating the apple represents a spark of divine knowledge—a break from blind obedience and a step toward spiritual liberation.
Gnosticism encourages seekers to look beyond surface-level doctrines and question the structures that define their world and when you do this, you automatically get placed onto a watch list, become an enemy of the state and labeled and antisemite, a racist, a misogynist etc.

Hermetic thoughts are interesting as well and are more uplifting, they are not however uncorrupted as the jews seek to poison all forms of thought.

Be aware that Gnostic thought is also depressing especially if youre living under foreign occupation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j800SVeiS5I

>>508788849
For someone so open minded and critical of reality, you seem so sure to label everything bad as "jewish trick". You are as well in the same ideological prison that you think you are so free out of

>>508787567
hecken saved!

Selfhood is a cosmic reality whether material, morontial, or spiritual. The actuality of the personal is the bestowal of the Universal Father acting in and of himself or through his manifold universe agencies. To say that a being is personal is to recognize the relative individuation of such a being within the cosmic organism. The living cosmos is an all but infinitely integrated aggregation of real units, all of which are relatively subject to the destiny of the whole. But those that are personal have been endowed with the actual choice of destiny acceptance or of destiny rejection.

That which comes from the Father is like the Father eternal, and this is just as true of personality, which God gives by his own freewill choice, as it is of the divine Thought Adjuster, an actual fragment of God. Man’s personality is eternal but with regard to identity a conditioned eternal reality. Having appeared in response to the Father’s will, personality will attain Deity destiny, but man must choose whether or not he will be present at the attainment of such destiny. In default of such choice, personality attains experiential Deity directly, becoming a part of the Supreme Being. The cycle is foreordained, but man’s participation therein is optional, personal, and experiential.

>>508782497 (OP)
no, it's an old pill. way past it's expiration date but they keep trying to push it

>>508783010
Even if nice places exist most people will rarely if ever get to go there so what's your point?

>>508789153
> The kike meme flag opens up his response with the defence of the Jews.

The union of opposites—light and shadow, spirit and matter—is central to many esoteric systems.
Symbolized by the two interlocking triangles in the Star of Remphan (or Seal of David), this figure reflects the principle of as above, so below—the mirroring of the higher and lower realms.

In this view, the system we live in is designed to obscure spiritual truth. From birth, people are conditioned to accept a false reality built on materialism, distraction, and conformity.
As they grow and begin to question this reality, some are offered a supposed path to “secret knowledge.”
Yet this path often leads not to freedom, but to another layer of deception—an illusion of awakening that serves the same power structures.
The secrecy isn’t to protect sacred truths, but to preserve a system that profits from ignorance.
The light offered to the masses—whether through politics, ideology, or controlled enlightenment—is part of the illusion, masking the deeper machinery of control.

The two triangles also represent the descent of spirit (the fallen angel) and the rise of matter (the ape). At their intersection stands a symbolic force—sometimes called the adversary or great deceiver—who forms a body from the collective submission of souls. This force thrives on illusion, keeping humanity bound in a world walking steadily toward spiritual ruin.
True awakening doesn’t come from choosing sides in the duality—it comes from transcending the system entirely.

Its the fucking Jews, you're a parasite on the face of this earth.
You create the deceptions and then reveal them as if there is some sort of divine hidden knowledge, when true liberation was always to be as a child free of the forced brainwashing that the Jews control.

>>508789807
Not reading your schizophrenia
You can't say "im open minded and not captured by ideology' and then go on and act like the typical low IQ poltard with every sentence you make.

>>508782497 (OP)
No , but it is talmudic crypto luciferianism.

>>508788203
>the embrace of the imperfect reality without vilifying it
that's what platonism is about, and btw platonism is just a rebrand of the mystery religions (pythagoreanism etc) that initially originated in egypt

>>508782497 (OP)
Please compare the following statements:

"Reality is just a false construct created by the demiurge to trap your soul, we need to achieve gnosis to return to the eternal oneness of the pleroma"

"There are no objective gender norms, those are social constructs created by an oppressive patriarchal capitalist class, we need to get rid of all social constructs to return to our ideal natural state of classless utopia"

Postmodernism is just Gnosticism minus any sense of spirituality. Gnostic thinking is not a red pill, gnostic thinking is what is driving western society to its destruction.

>>508790138
>Not reading your schizophrenia
You're in an esoteric thread its part of the vibe

> act like the typical low IQ poltard with every sentence you make.
Its the Jews and you're Jewish.

gnosticism is founded on the falsehood and contradiction that the supreme all-knowing god is good but still knowingly created the evil demiurge and is not responsible for him

gnosticism is just cryptosatanism in the sense that it's based on a known lie

>>508782497 (OP)
>>508782571
Thank you, jfc regardless of what anyone believes there's clearly a measurable reality in front of us. Who cares about what we don't know, you and I are here now that's what's important

>>508782497 (OP)
Yes

>>508790567
the difference is that the former describes a spiritual reality, the latter a material and worldly goal. retard

>>508790156
>crypto luciferianism
Basically this. Gnosticism gets you to pat yourself on the back while declaring war on reality, and by extension reality's creator. There is no secondary "demiurge," just one God that you're tricked into opposing.

>>508791047
gnostic god is not all-powerful. omnipotence and omnibenevolence is a contradiction only for abrahamics

lmao

>>508782497 (OP)
No. It’s basically cosmic-scaled SJW nonsense.

Low IQ "what if good guy is actually bad guy?" subversive bullshit.
Every somewhat inquisitive teenager end up down this line of thinking and thinks it's deep. Only difference is gnosticism dresses it up with Greek philosophy to make it look slightly less retarded than it is.

>>508791512
What good guy? I don't see one.

>>508783886
Humanity is a bunch of pick me girls. The truth is somewhere between christianity and gnosticism. If god offers up a spot as a 3 day old squirrel that gets run over by a car, a line forms before god saying "ooh, pick me! I just want to experience it all again"...To each their own. Between Buddhism and Christianity the goal is to minimize suffering amongst all souls on earth. Gnosticism is like fuck these niggers and thieves in their crack dens..I just want to go home. But being here is always an active choice. Gnosticism HARPS on this as the forget. T. Cosmic Wizard.

>>508791188
If there is only God, then who is being "tricked"? Is God tricking himself? There must be at least one other form of agency in order for "trickery" to exist.

>>508783886
>That being said, it is also the basis of some of the most horrible ideas out there, like the whole Frankist judaism thing and elites thinking they serve the Archons for worldly rewards.
there is nothing gnostic about "frankist judaism", and gnosticism didn't invent antinomianism.

>Between Buddhism and Christianity the goal is to minimize suffering amongst all souls on earth
only mahayana. theravada buddhism, gnosticism, and jainism are the truth

>>508791215
that's what god is be definition: all-powerful, and by being all-powerful you are also all knowing

>>508791188
You're Jewish.
God is not some fucking system of government that controls the thoughts an opinions of the public.
The deceiver is not God, he might be your God, but this God is Satan, the deceitful cunt that bombs children and monetises their suffering.

The gnostic thought is about exposing it and its why Jews seethe and howl about Gnostics, because at its core its antisemetic.

>>508782497 (OP)
I'm sorry but there's no redpilled way to worship a kike.

>>508791672
>gnosticism is incoherent in a monotheistic framework
no shit retard

>>508791768
no, what god needs to be first and foremost is good, otherwise you risk worshipping an all-powerful demon. gnostics value god's goodness over his power, so there's no contradiction and consequently no need for theodicy

>>508791512
>Low IQ "what if good guy is actually bad guy?" subversive bullshit.
You're describing stock-standard Christianity.

>But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the GOD OF THIS WORLD hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. (2 Cor 4:3-4)

I’m not sure but I ㄴㄱ ㄴㄱㄴㄱㄴㄱㄴㄱㄴㄱㄴㄱ…
So do your best. G = all standards atmost… H = ??? I don’t know u don’t have that kind of understandings here to construct a good definition but it’s fluid…

>>508782497 (OP)
The final redpill is that you're a faggot.

>>508783010
Way to miss the point, dumbass. Places of natural beauty have some of the same divine spark as the human soul. They exist in spite of Yaldabaoth, not because of him. If you want to see his handiwork, look at miles and miles of farmlands, or the suburbs, or the cities.

>>508782497 (OP)
More like the first one

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism comes from the devil.

>>508791830
"Gnosticism" is coherent, but the post I replied to is not. Trickery is impossible if there is no second party.

>>508783010
stupid. in those woods lives an animal slowly wasting away, suffering, starving to death, because it has some parasitical disease it can't even comprehend. a pack of wolves is snacking on a baby deer (it was still alive when they began tearing into its abdomen). a cuckoo bird is pushing eggs out a nest that doesn't belong to it and replacing it with their own. etc, etc...

>>508792056
this board is so retarded it's psyopped itself into believing the most explicitly antisemitic tradition in history is a jewish trick

>>508792056
The devil is a real tricker in a universe of house jestas.

>>508792082
i misread. apologies

>>508792056
How could it come from something you claim can't exist?

>>508792159
You're talking about /pol/ and Christianity

>>508791512
If god is good, then how come Jews exist and control you?

>>508792159
We created Islam to subvert you goys. It worked wonderfully so.

>>508782497 (OP)
No, your essence is more than the formless, and matter matters

>>508791672
To be everything you must become nothing. To be everywhere you must be nowhere.

Theres only a few parties Ive identified. Me. Other people. Other people within the Monad. Then the ever present omnipotent, which I suspect is like almost an amalgamation macro conscious thats linked to the micro-consiousness. To under stand WHO is tricking you its 1. the GREAT FORGET. 2. Its some product that lives inside us Jung called the Shadow Emago. the combined actions of the shadow is works of the Yaldaboath.

>>508792363
Ok Nevermind. Jung never linked his separate concepts of the Emago and the Shadow. But he should have.

>>508792102
>a pack of wolves is snacking on a baby deer

A neat trick is your body turns off pain beyond a certain threshold. If nerves are detached those nerves send no pain. Like sending your severed arm through a meat grinder you arm is detached. So sometimes stuff looks gruesome but theres no pain involved. Not to say you should eat animals alive, Im just saying a sympathetic response to my gore is no always factual If Im sitting there feeling nothing. Pain level on a 0-10 is 0 even thought I can now see my bone through the gore. Its some kind of crisis response. Pain is bearable.

>>508793237
What about the guy with no sympathetic response? like if youre torchering baby monkeys as a hobby? I hope I never see him again. He must be separating himself so wholly as an individual he breaks the cycle of reincarnation, if the whole concept is to reduce suffering and raise up all other living souls. Why would he ever be born at all?

>>508783010
How is this an argument against Gnosticism? A beautiful landscape? Really?
There are animals that eat their own young. All the pretty animals in that forest scene are brutally ripping out the innards of each other.
The whole premise is that the Demiurge created reality as a weak imitation of true reality. So us being able to see beauty in nature isn't contradictory to the fundamental idea of the imperfect. Imperfect =/= hellish ugliness

>>508793781
what if the FrazzleBob shadow bans me so you cant read my posts? since this was already addressed.

>>508791910
'good' is just an anthropocentric concept but you can argue that god is good, you can also argue that god is evil, so god is both good and evil from a standard human viewpoint; in regards to the whole, an from a different level of truth god just is beyond good and evil and just is

>>508794479
>god just is but he's not but he is by being not and he's not by being because he's beyond being anything and he's also everything that is by being naught and
just worship the void like you want. don't call it god

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism is pretty much the matrix story

>>508794576
>worship the void like you want
In the original religion theres the birdman and the snake monster. Its got to be some metaphor for light and dark. The conscious vs unconscious. To win the battle over your own resting state you can always smoke meth 24/7 to defeat the shadow emago.

>>508782497 (OP)
no, just another of satans tricks to make you think you can be god

Jews created 3 religions: Judaism, the mastermind. Islam, the attacker. Christianity, the subverter. You can also plainly see this. Whites adopt Christianity and become cucked, Muslims come and wreak havoc and jews are the ones who bring the Muslims, etc.

If you want to be a warrior, Islam would be the best choice.

>>508782497 (OP)
Deism the the biggest brain, but gnosticism is p based

>>508794844
I dont really see it. Since Gnosticism is so intertwined you can tell me its the story of Jesus or Hinduism and it looks like Gnosticism. But I doubt you deep dived any gnostic texts...Gnosticism is more like Avengers Infinity Wars in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

>>508792159
>satan only exists in judaism
the native americans want a talk with you

>>508792056
Why does Satan have big tiktok eyes

>>508795235
Stand up sit down, kneel, stand then sit. Must not be interrupted for it is the only path to the kingdom of heaven - Catholics...the biggest fags of them all.

Muhammad was a jew, and he treated jewish law as his law.

1. Mohammad's most beautiful wife was a Kike who reluctantly left Judaism to avoid slavery, and most likely did not leave it at all.
2. Muhammad lived in the Kike kingdom of Yathrib, in Arabia.
3. Mohammad's sidekick and the 1st Caliph was, according to some hadiths, a Jewish Rabbinical Exilarch from Iraq named Rebe Shallum. His Arab name was Abu Bakr Al Siddiq.
5. The "Muslim Old Testament" is called the Tawrat and has no shame in stating that it draws from both the Christian Old Testament and the Talmud.
6. Muhammad was invited by a bunch of Kikes to be their religious judge, which shows he was a Talmudist.
7. Muslims are allowed to worship, and have been seen inside of, Talmudic Synagogues.
8. The first Ulema, which created the Sharia, was located in Kufa, Iraq, and was within walking distance of the Talmudic academies of Sura and Pumpedita, where the Babylonian Talmud was created less than 100 years earlier - most of this Ulema was made up of Jewish Rabbis who 'converted' to Islam.

>>508795235
>Deism
So God exists, but doesn't intervene in his creation. What's he been up to for the past 14 billion years?

>>508782497 (OP)

In the first decade of the internet being popular, it was a mass awakening of people into gnosticism, then the elites rolled out the Islamic invasion and forced normies back into their Christian West vs Islam cattle mindset. In 2007 2 lads made this video - which is still online on Rumble - called the Pharmacratic Inquisition, well worth checking out, and Christards were freaking out over it. Sadly zoomers have no idea of the world that was robbed from them and are now heading back into the mental prison of organised religions

>>508795429
Catholics don't have anything to do with my post so I do not understand the (you) you gave me

>>508782497 (OP)
Most of its horseshit, just follow your personal conscience the best you're able, or you're just another kike dog.

God's opposite is a space anus that shat out a Mr Hankey and molded it into a false idol of God, Ashera is the devil, and larps as a man. Gnosticism is basically subverting a lot of truths to give an out to something that doesn't deserve one. Reality would be fine the ghost were it's only perceiver

>>508795548
I am spiritually castrated and shadobanned on the internet by the FrazzleBob..nobody can read my posts.

>>508782497 (OP)
ITT: hylics defend their prison of ignorance to the death, hoping to one day become the one who keeps prisoners
But this will never happen

>>508795529
Probably just chilling. Why do you think a God level entity would care about you or what you do, or think that you are worthy of "divine" intervention?

>>508784875
insects are just god's bots and nanobots.
>>508783170
farming has taught me that prey animals are built different from predators. they nearly never care when their peer gets goobied by something, and they all seem to have an "off" switch in their head that makes them just tune out and accept death when it finds them. i think this was by design. non-prey animals suffer so much worse in similar situations, because they weren't given that mercy feature.

>>508794576
everything is part of god, including evil

Gnosticism is best conceived of as a hermeneutical school. Jung was essentially trying to develop gnosticism into a secular discipline. No one on /pol/ is going to be able to talk intellectually about this. You can try /lit/, but the /pol/acks that moonlight to /lit/ will just fuck it up for you there as well. Little do they know, a bit of gnosticism is the key to understanding that the Jews are worshipping only the Father, the Law giver without an understanding of God's profundity beyond the Law. That is why the things they do are so unnatural and evil.

>>508795662
>Deism
Youre a 12 year old pokemon affairs connoisseur, who doesn't see a connection to Deism and Catholicism...leave us.

>>508795937
don't try to piggyback on hermetcisim with your gnostic garbage

>>508795986
>worships dead jews from books written by other jews
God doesn't care about you and humanity isn't the only life in the universe. No part of catholicism is based in reason. Enjoy believing in divine jewery though.

>>508795877
>Probably just chilling.
So what bother creating anything at all?
>Why do you think a God level entity would care about you or what you do
Because I'm part of his creation. That's like asking why would a parent pay attention to their child after birth.

>>508795937
Bro I already independently made the connection to Jung, then posted it. You just cant read it because the FrazzleBob...thanks for the back up tho. Its a good post.

>>508795529
>14 billion years?
Jewish nonsense, a random number based on no possible evidence, only kike numerology of some random sort
>>508795235
>but gnosticism is p based
In essence, the gnosis is simply the understanding of God based completely on internal understanding, not external perceptions. This confuses and enrages the hylic, who requires his reality to be spoonfed to him like a retarded babby suckling on the teat of a horrible machine designed to consume him

It's better for you to not think about all this. All you want is a gf and a sense of belonging, but because we are currently living in a transitional period all of this was robbed from you sending you down the rabbit hole of detachment and insanity. I am so sorry, think of it as a blessing in disguise.

>>508782497 (OP)
Participatory universe is the final redpill.

>>508796142
Youre one hell of a tard. The tardiest of the tards. Forgive him for he does not know what he does, father. For YOU have birthed him special needs.

>>508782497 (OP)
No it’s occult fakery. Jesus said no one has ascended to heaven except the one that has descended from heaven, the son of man

>>508782497 (OP)
>HUUUUUUUUUUR I DONT BELIEVE IN INVISIBLE GODS
>HUUUUUUUUUUR I BELIEVE IN THE DEMIURGE WHICH IS SOMETHING PULLED OUT OF PLATOS ANUS AND IT IS AN INVISIBLE GOD WHO CREATED EVERYTHING
retards

>>508793781
The Bible says this world is in a fallen state. Satan rules this world. Satan even offers the world to Jesus, and Jesus rejects his offer.
gnosticism is false because it ignores this and blasphemes God as the demiurge.

Look at these fools, they don't even know the name of their God yet claim him as theirs. Utter buffoonery.

>>508796305
I don't see any arguments. Enjoy believing your books written by jews and man created hierarchy that exists to extract a tithe from the peasant class.

>>508796336
In context of sneeking into heaven to try and do a break and enter on the shit. Like the occult knowledge of the Pharisee...GD dude..."and forgive us of our trespasses"

>>508795886
>farming has taught me that prey animals are built different from predators. they nearly never care when their peer gets goobied by something, and they all seem to have an "off" switch in their head that makes them just tune out and accept death when it finds them
>i think this was by design. non-prey animals suffer so much worse in similar situations, because they weren't given that mercy feature.
This reminds me of an interview I watched on television years ago. The fact I saw it on television gives you an idea how many years ago. It was about a Cessna plane crash. Something happened the engine and the plane was dropping as you'd expect a plane might without a functioning engine. The pilot and two other survivors were describing how one of the girls - the only one who died - became absolutely hysterical jumping about the place screaming for God to help her. Just before the plane crashed she suddenly slumped down unconscious into the chair. They said it was like she'd been pulled from her body before the crash.

>>508796521
Ok enjoy the next season of Naruto or whatever bullshit youre on...dont care. Didnt ask. fucking dude.

>>508782497 (OP)
no, many believe that the Gnostics created the Alexandrian texts of the Catholic version of the bible and apocrypha. The heretical nonsense anti Jesus religion that started Roman Catholicism.

>>508782497 (OP)
no, gnosticism is just an emo version of hermeticism made by people who can't accept the harshness of life's truth, gnostics can't accept reality so they pretend it can be escaped. In fact, all the faggotic ideologies in the world are gnostic coded
>Commies: bohoo hierarchies are unfair I wish we could escape hierarchies
>Trannies: bohoo i have a dick instead of a pussy I will escape my biology by cutting my genitals off
yes, all of these stem from a gnostic mindset.

>>508796336
>Jesus said
Did He? And you have personally heard Him say that? Or did someone just tell you He said that?
You idiots are willing to believe anything. You do as you're told, you're merely automatons
What astounds me is that you think an all-creative all-father wants a fucking horde of automatons around him, instead of a free-willed thinker, even if the thinker is often wrong. You obey, that is all you do. I have as much in common with a pile of nails as I do with you dead-souled trash. Your subservience is NOT a virtue

>>508796614
If only you could free your mind. Enjoy veggie tales or whatever I didn't ask

>>508782497 (OP)
Yes, but you need to be at least Operating Thetan Class IX to make use of it.

>>508796804
If there is a God he loves all of the life he created. He wants mankind to do better yes, because we have free will, but he also realizes the limitations of society, poor parenting, illnesses and diseases. He knows everything.

>>508796804
just ask him to reveal himself to you and you will see.
Jesus lives.

>>508796814
I said Pokemon GO and Naruto..and this nigga clapped back "veggie tales"...sick burn my dude. Forget I ever delivered you an initial (you) it was obviously a mistake, since I thought you had something to say.

>>508796450
Who created Satan and why did they do it?

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism is gay and life denying, fuck Plato.
This world does matter, the people you may see as cattle live an infinitely more life-affirming existence than your loser ass ever will.

>>508797061
Jews, because a condition of chronic public masturbation. So someone decided to spin up a story about Consequences of sin to encourage them to stop.

>>508796521
the bible was written by israelites you fucking retard

>>508796991
to ants you are the God
to cockroaches you are the Devil the destroyer
to mosquitoes you are the tree of life

>>508797048
Kek I realize now you're ranting about anime because I used a picture to get attention to my post. You're like a mosquito to a bug zapper.

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosicism is dead, gone, lost to the past, and a total larp, just like modern "paganism". Any credible sources about what these religions actually were are lost to history. "Gnostics" today do not and can not have any real beliefs because they have no choice but to make up their own beliefs as they go, meaning they are fully aware that they are a actively playing pretend. These people got stunted as children, often by some abuser, usually a family member who was socially "Christian" in name only. This leaves them with a huge chip on their shoulder against Christianity and unable to understand the difference between religion and simply playing pretend.

As a result, they are drawn to everything Christians dislike. The only sources remaining on gnosicism, much like paganism, are bits and pieces of autistic, hate-fueled ramblings from random long dead Christian scholars bitching about it. That's not enough to rebuild an entire religion. This is not to discredit whatever gnosicism and any particular version of paganism actually was in the past. Maybe they were legit, maybe they weren't, but no one has any way of knowing anymore because they've been lost to history. Accept reality, grow up. If you want to try and reconstruct them, fine, but acknowledge they have been lost and need reconstructing, don't larp like a retard and call yourself something that doesn't exist and demand others respect it like some fucked up other kin xim xir furry tranny retard.

>>508797061
Ok so God is all powerful and Omnipotent. Theres only 1 god. But then if youre caught publically masterbating (again) a demon lady comes and gathers your spilt seed and makes little half man demon babies..But also the Jinn are all locked behind a magic seal and cant get out..

>>508797286
ye of little faith

>>508797191
>>508797424
So you're saying it's the jews' fault i can't whack off in public? that's dicked up

Nope. Not even close. Not only do they have the whole jewish farthuffing chosen ones bullshit going on with their hylics and pneumatics theres also some aspects of eastern religion with the end goal and salvation being more akin to something like breaking free of the dharmic cycle, only it's gotten all twisted up so think that's achieved through knowledge which is where all the fucked up cults spring from becuase in their interpretation its particularly greater knowledge of good and evil so the knowing commit evil acts. In persuit of that knowledge the keep delving deeper and deeper into the occult and things get incresingly insane and degenerate. Hermetic order of the golden dawn, theurgy, jewish kabalah, left hand path tying back into that intentional evil thing, and all that jazz. That whole the god of this world is not truly god but the malavolent demiurge yaldabaoth sort of thing is part of the satanist pipeline ending in an total inversion where god is the devil, the serpent in the garden is was benevolent helping mankind granting them knowledge and freedom, doing evil is part of the path to salvation, and christ is lucifer. You could not possibly be any more kiked and bluepilled than gnostics.

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism makes jews and christcucks absolutely seeeeeeeeeethe, so it must be on to something.

Being Christian is basically bowing down to Constantine and his edited selection of favourite tales.

>>508797263
>no these pharises aren't caananites aren't really jews
How about I simplify it for you all you can do is listen to what Israelite told you to think 6000 years ago. which was to establish a control structure over society or else the churches would not be rich and they would not have ruled Europe
See
>>508796804

>>508782497 (OP)
No, Gnosticism is a heresy.

>>508797400
I believe the Gnostics encoded all their knowledge in the Apocrypha, many Catholics and other so called Christian's faith are weakened and destroyed by their teachings.

Jesus taught this would happen in the parable of the sower.

>>508797023
>just ask him to reveal himself to you
The truth will just be revealed to me in my internal state, without need of external stimulation? Sounds remarkably Gnostic
And by the way, I have already experienced Christos. You don't need to proselytize to me. You're not anywhere even close to me, I've died and come back too many times even in this one body, I'm pretty sure it's a cosmic crime at this point, but who's going to stop me? I remember being born here. Sometimes I kill and unkill people, causing your faggot reality to shift in random ways.

I don't need your tutelage, pleb. You need mine. But you won't understand, and you CAN'T understand, because you were born in a prison and you'll die in a prison. Learning nothing, understanding nothing. Unless, of course, you experience Gnosis. Nothing you read, nothing you perceive will give you this

Funny that you farm animals would lecture me. I actually like that you'd even try, as weak and stupid as you are. I could do more for you, but I don't like humans. I think of you like you think of ticks

>>508797609
The Gnostics were Jews and Greek "experts" combining their mythologies together.

>>508797502
Just be happy you are here, don't sweat the details, what you learn is false but you know it deep down and don't let the fruits of this world delude you from your purpose. Like the Lotus-Eaters in the Odyssey, caused forgetfulness and a blissful apathy, making those who ate it lose their desire to return home. This is what this world is designed to do.

>>508796773
>gnostics willfully ignore the suffering of life
kek. fucking absolute drooling retard

>>508797628
Matthew 13:13-15

13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.”

14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandaeans

A shame Saddam Hussein genocided them. Muslims are fucking abhorrent people who'll water everything down into a monocultural soup of submission.

>>508797734
lmao, I was let out of the prison by Jesus Christ.
your hubris and pride binds you to your own prison.
the kingdom is within, to an external stimulus. maybe try to humble yourself before the Lord instead of taking pride in your "own gnosis". youre still in the prison thinking you are free, your ego testifies against yourself.

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism is another retarded fag cult of pseudo-intellectuals. Everything is shrouded in esotericism and mystery and Jesus also preformed sex alchemy broh!

>>508797811
Jesus' blood atonement is not false. God loved you so much that he suffered and died for all of mankind. Even the retards like myself.

>>508798006
>to an external stimulus
not an external stimulus

>>508797400
>they have no choice but to make up their own beliefs as they go, meaning they are fully aware that they are a actively playing pretend
What's funny is that you think this is a bug, instead of a feature
Go worship dead matter more, as opposed to being the avatar of creativity . It's all you can do. You LOVE your prison. You are broken. Merely a shark-eyed slave. Ready for disposal

>>508797602
>You could not possibly be any more kiked and bluepilled than Catholics.

>>508797115
plato's demiurge is just a thought excercise, then a heretical christian offshoot decided to combine christianity with it and that's how gnosticism was born

plato's god is actually the all-encompassing monad, who he deemed as "the good"

>>508783010
Christian cope actually, they grew up hearing that their God is good and the world is pretty and are hit with reality and instead of adjusting their expectations based on lies, they prefer to pretend this is not the real world

>>508796450
>The Bible says Satan rules this world
>Gnosicism says the ruler of this world is Evil and lesser than God
How exactly are these in conflict? Are you one of those retards who can't see the forest for the trees and can only understand things if they are 100% literal and at face value?

When a finger points at the moon do you look at the finger and obsess over hang nails and wrinkles like an autistic retard, or do you look in the direction its pointed and see the moon? This is what you are doing now. If there's any difference between the gnostic demiurge and the classic Christian Satan it's that gnosicism actually tries to solve the problem of evil, instead of stubbornly insisting that God is responsible for all evil, but still good somehow good despite doing evil constantly. Maybe stop trying to make people accept that evil is good as long as the one doing evil is more powerful than you. That's literally just might is right. Who is really glorifying and blaspheming God here?

>>508798055
I won't deny the possibility

>>508797602
medicine cabinet above the sink

>>508798260
don't waste your time with these chimps.

>>508796201

This thread is huge pilgrim I can't read all dat. It's too bad the others are so close minded. Wait'll the right retard reveals to them that Marxism and Kabbalism are one and the same.

>>508798193
the bible routinely illustrates a very NOT good world and offers encouragement through truth and love

>>508798176
Gnosticism incorporates the Monad. You also forgot the Kabbalah aspects of Gnosticism. All world religions are intertwined into a single story called Birdman and the PeePee monster and just different branches of a 1 world mystery religion.

>>508798260
gnosticism teaches that the demiurge created the world and is god of this world, and that you can escape it through gnosis by yourself. which is a false teaching.
Christianity teaches that satan is a mere ruler, not a creator God of this world, just a corrupter. that you need a savior, Jesus Christ, to enter the kingdom of the real God and that there will be a new creation of heaven and earth in the second coming. not that you can be a god by yourself. God is still in charge of everything that happens, even now, if its good or evil. satan is just a tool, not an all knowing god who created this world and its circumstances.

>>508798147
Nah I just don't stubbornly insist on using innacurate labels for absolutely fucking everything like you fucking NPCs seem compelled to do. There's a lot of wisdom in gnostic concepts, especially compared to the more simplified versions of similar concepts found in every day modern American Christianity, but don't pretend for one minute that it's complete enough to start wearing some "Gnostic" label as if it actually means anything. I draw what I can from all sources. There's little bits of wisdom in all religions, even dumb little shit jews understanding eggs are extremely nutritious. Random, sure, from an evil religion, yes, but still true. This is how I approach eveything. Don't throw out the bay with the bath water, but don't fucking drink it and start calling yourself a "Babybathian" either like a fucking retard. Why is everyone so god damn stupid today? What the fuck happened?

>>508798665
>god tolerates satan's dominion of the earth
>death and suffering is just a tool, bro
garbage retardation. you're so fucking dumb. human beings can't be held responsible for the INHERENT defects of reality

>>508798730
you've never even read a single book on the subject. all you retards do is refute bastardized pre-digested meme short reels of the real thing.

>>508782497 (OP)
>hey guy let's be atheists, science is the best
>hey guys let's worship a tree, those are our ancestors
>hey guys how about gnosticism
>please goy just stop being christian
no

>>508798406
At first I thought Freud was based and Jung sounded like a coat tail riding schizo. But then I realized Jung is actually based.

>>508797872
>can't accept
>this somehow translates to willfully ignore
you have the reading comprehension of a nigger, which isn't surprising given your flag

>>508798730
/thread

>>508798953
right, you fucking chimp, according to you they're willfully ignoring what they can't accept by trying to escape to some transcendent reality. learn how to parse sentences

>>508798730
you dropped this

>>508798665
"Gnosticism" doesn't teach anything because there is no "church of gnosicism", no "Gnostic Bible", "Gnostic pope", or any gnostic authority of any kind. You're better off using your own brain, taking each individual claim with a grain of salt, test it against your lived experience and observations, common sense, compare it to wisdom from other religions, etc. I can hardly believe I have to explain to people how to fucking think. Just think for yourself, just don't be retarded. There's a lot of bullshit lumped under the label "Gnostic" that is obviously bullshit. There's a lot of bullshit lumped under the Christian label today too if you haven't noticed, like a lot of literally gay churches for instance. Do they represent all of Christianity? No, because you test these things and reject when they don't make sense, but only when trying to protect your pre existing beleifes. You're not actually thinking, your reacting according to your programing like a fucking automoton while patting yourself on the back for being a good little goy.

>>508798006
>your ego
Yes, I have a very defined sense of self. Otherwise how could I retain knowledge from one life to the next? I'm not like you, an ignorant raindrop that merely melts into the puddle every time a body dies. I have memories of colors you can't conceive of, I've experienced them even while in this "reality" of yours.

The fact that you think you can lecture me is merely the human condition: ignorance and arrogance. That's what a "human soul" is. A congealed form of ignorance and arrogance, given physical form as some sort of proto-hominid. It really is disgusting.

But I had to come through your pathetic little prison to achieve my goals. And soon I'll be gone, and you'll be downgraded into a 2d+t prison to be raped into nonexistence by the machines you created to defy God. And I'll forget about you. This is your future. You have no idea who you are or what you are or where you are, yet you lecture me. Typical

>>508782497 (OP)
>Gnosticism

make shit up as I go and assimilate other religious thought into myself and call it my own religion that has no source for it's beliefs (its not related to christianity). Islam is a gnostic sect though just read "reliance of the traveler" and search for "gnostic"


Religion for "intellectuals" who cant be wrong. Just try arguing with one gnostic and find out for yourself. They simply cant be wrong.

Also it's only logical conclusion is to kill yourself. This creation is evil this world is evil god is evil you need to "escape". OK blow your brains out

>>508799019
>>508799112
easily impressed reddit fags

>>508799106
>wilfully ignoring
there it is again, you made up random shit in your head and just pretended it's what was said, you'd make a good trann- i mean gnostic.

>/x/

>>508799247
your characterization of gnostics is that they're basically religious hikkikomoris. they can't accept the outside world, so they ignore it and repress it by retreating into some pie in the sky delusion. i won't play these gay little word games with you again. you're a fucking retard for believing that a tradition that is under no illusions about the nature of reality is actually refusing to accept it.

>>508782497 (OP)
>good and evil being parallel and equivalent universal forces aka God and Satan are equals.
lmao imagine believing that

>>508799212
>But I had to come through your pathetic little prison to achieve my goals.

Whats the goal? if you said your main quest is to announce yourself as the second coming, like most, thats incredibly gay...Im on a mission to make sure some girl stays safe and side questing feeding little kittens.

>>508788849
Screencapped.
Eating the apple is reminiscent to Matrix red pill.

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism and independent religions are at best useless for society since they don't form any meaningful connections with people in a community, and at worst they create extremely esoteric religions like Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses.

>>508798730
>Nah I just don't stubbornly insist on using innacurate labels for absolutely fucking everything like you fucking NPCs seem compelled to do. There's a lot of wisdom in gnostic concepts, especially compared to the more simplified versions of similar concepts found in every day modern American Christianity, but don't pretend for one minute that it's complete enough to start wearing some "Gnostic" label as if it actually means anything. I draw what I can from all sources. There's little bits of wisdom in all religions, even dumb little shit jews understanding eggs are extremely nutritious. Random, sure, from an evil religion, yes, but still true. This is how I approach eveything. Don't throw out the bay with the bath water, but don't fucking drink it and start calling yourself a "Babybathian" either like a fucking retard. Why is everyone so god damn stupid today? What the fuck happened?

do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.

Creating Jesus was a great trick by the Romans to tame radical Jews.

>>508799212
Let me guess what the quest is, Muhammed....shieet.

>>508798790
>human beings can't be held responsible for the INHERENT defects of reality
thats exactly why Jesus died on the cross for you. dont you think he was aware of the supernatural presence of satan while on earth.
all the time he was persecuted by religious leaders, who do you think was behind it? when herod ordered all newborn to be killed, who was satan after? he even rebuked peter and told him to get behind him, satan. and the ultimate confrontation when he gave satan permission to enter judas.
why would Jesus go through all this if he didnt knew who the ultimate criminal is?
he confronted satan for you so you can be spoken free of ALL your transgressions against God, Jesus knew the accuser before earth was even created.

>>508799128
>You're better off using your own brain
the carnal mind and flesh is at enmity with God. dont you think satan would use that to lead you astray?
test everything against the Word of God which is the ultimate authority in this world.

>>508799212
>Otherwise how could I retain knowledge from one life to the next?
reincarnation is a demonic teaching.
> That's what a "human soul" is. A congealed form of ignorance and arrogance
youre the prime example, bro.
>yet you lecture me
you havent revealed anything about your actual belief outside of your arrogance in "wisdom" and "I am so much better than everyone else".
let us hear anything profound of what you discovered or be quiet.
everyone can claim to be "enlightened" when all their intellect is but a dying flame.

>>508798861
I have the nag hamadi library on my shelf right now and I've read it in its entirety more than once, along with countless long essays touching the subject by Jung, easily one of the most knowledgeable people on the subject from the last century. It's a very interesting topic and I believe the real gnostics once had a legitimate religion, possibly more legitimate than what Christianity has become today. Especially when you consider how the Church handled the Cathars, that isn't something you do casually, they believed the Cathars posed a threat to their authority which means they were on to something, whatever it was. Ultimately though I have the humility to admit that I do not and can not ever know what has been lost to the past. I am simply accepting reality because I am not a child and can no longer afford to play pretend like one. I go a few more months without posting on /pol/ each time I leave and each time I come back I find people have gotten a little dumber than before. We need a new bunker, this site is fucked.

>>508799675
>ignore it
i never said that, you said that and started attacking that statement as if i said it. In fact they don't ignore it, they seethe at it and actively try to change it, but they can't. If they were "willfully ignoring" it, trannies wouldn't insist you'd call them women, they'd just "be" in their mind and leave it at that. Commies wouldn't had starved millions in order to change reality, and you'd have the reading comprehension beyond that of an 8 year old

>>508800149
>jung
read actual gnostic scholars instead of that well poisoner. christ this board is fucking dumb, and not for the reasons you think it is.

>>508800253
another retarded pleb misdirection. gnostics are not interested in changing the world. it is a dualistic religion indifferent to history and society.

>muh trannies, communists
retard

>>508800149
>Cathars
Modern French probably dont even resemble the "French" as a result of the Cathar Genocide.,,fucking Catholic NPC's.

>>508800361
Sorry that your astrology for retards didn't catch on fren lol

>>508800149
>when you consider how the Church handled the Cathars
the roman church is and never was christian. at its core it was always pagan. it corrupts, censors and keeps humanity from the gospel.

>>508782497 (OP)
no fina redpill is not here

>>508799824
I needed to free the Ancient Dragon that was imprisoned in 1d+t, just right below this realm, before a rogue faction of an insectoid race unleashed it and caused a cascading destruction of reality up the chain. Since that's why she was imprisoned in the first place, for rampant destruction of reality itself.

But to do that, I also had to restore her sanity. It's not something humans can fully comprehend. I myself only understand it through experience, it's not an intellectual pursuit for me.
>Im on a mission to make sure some girl stays safe
It's literally this. It just has more >implications than you can understand. In your mind, a "girl" is what you see as a human. In a larger reality, the feminine essence is that which turns nothing into something, a Void portal. All things emerge from the Void, but not everything is constructive. Some things are merely destructive. IT's all very kindergarten shit, but I know you can't understand it. You probably don't remember anything before this random-ass monkey incarnation do you? I might as well be talking to a shrubbery

>>508782497 (OP)
The first step is to accept that this world and its grotesque suffering is not necessary.

>>508800627
without it you will be soft

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism is proto-socialism.

>>508800684
retard

>>508800066
Man tells you "God said this and do that" and you blindly trust him. Are you trusting God? Or are you trusting man? Or a book? Are books written by men the ultimate authority? No. You trust in God when you listen to your heart, your conscious, when you pay attention to nature and realize that nature is God's will manifesting in real time all around us, which means nothing can or ever has or will happen outside of God's will. This is where trusting in God and true inner peace comes from, accepting that everything is in God's a hands, all is right, all had always been and always will be right and there is nothing we can do to stop everything from being right. All of human history is just a little blimp. Anything that seems "wrong" now is just a rubber band being stretched that cannot be broken. Nature will snap back and god will always win.

No one can teach you this. No church or priest can make someone truly understand this. You don't learn this by memorizing dogma and legalism and trusting in one person or another, by doing exactly the same shit Jesus warned you not to do over and over. I swear most Christians need to just read the four Gospels ever and over and nothing else every day for about a fucking year until they understand what it means to put what Christ said first and reject everything that contradicts what he taught. When you understand what I'm trying to explain the red text becomes a lot more clear and relevant. For the record I don't call myself a Christian or anything else. Christ was incredibly wise, but I can't pretend I have any way of knowing how divine or godly is is or was or is or isn't. The main difference between me and normies is I can admit when I don't know something or when something is unknowable.

>>508800269
>actual gnostic scholars
Like who exactly?

>>508800149
>We need a new bunker, this site is fucked.
Where tho? 4x2chan got blown the fuck out by glowies, and Hotwheels sold out to suck tranny cawkz in SEA.

On topic: what anons miss here about Gnosticism is its allegorical nature. Most of the Abrahamists in this thread take Plato and Gnosticism literally, then they try to debunk the strawmen with walls of Catholic apologia.

It's an immutable fact of reality that this physical existence is predicated upon pain, suffering, and needless evil. Organic life is built upon it. A loving and benevolent God would and should have done better. If we're all His children, then he's either a demonic abuser, or an absent parent. Personally I think Earth and this life are a prison - we're doing penance here for crimes we've committed elsewhere. And the worse your life here, the greater your crimes were out there. Hylics like high-level billionaires are NPCs, they're part of the framework. If they were ensouled they'd not be wasting their fortunes on petty villainy like power and control. Most of humanity are golems. There's precious few of us who aren't hylics/NPCs. That's why we suffer s much, because we're trapped here with soulless automatons.

If I could face God, I'd try to murder him on His throne for stranding us here.

It boils down to

Faith
vs
Gnosis

Ignorance
vs
Knowledge

>>508800066
>let us hear anything profound of what you discovered
>Spoonfeed me
If you haven't achieved Gnosis you're cooked. My words should awaken something in you, you should Know things just by reading them. I have nothing to teach you, any more than an alarm clock can explain your day to you. What I DO is Awaken living beings, not guide them. You're still demanding things to be explained to you, which means you're not generating meaning internally. Which means you're dead. There's nothing I am willing to do for you. Oh sure, I could do miracles or whatever, and sometimes I do. But only when it's funny.

If you could see what I see, you'd rip your eyes out and try to kill yourself, and fail. I just don't even think about torture-hells as uncomfortable anymore. To be honest I've become more like a monster than an angel at this point, I'm just so used to the pain and darkness that it's almost like a warm weighted blanket to me. I'm the one who goes deep into the dark to extract things. It's what I make my living doing. It's why I'm older than even your ancient dragon. Good work if you can survive it

>>508800945
Hans Jonas, Kurt Rudolph, Ioan Petru Culianu, Jeffrey Bingham, to start.

>he has to ask
sad.

>>508791047
Satanists embrace materialism, such as fame and fortune. Eg people selling their soul to become an overnight celebrity. Gnostics don't go around selling people false promises.

>>508795238
Cope shill.

Evangelion, Childhood's End, and Xenogears are the best intros to gnosticism and notice they didn't have a 200 million dollar Pentag(ram)on budget.

>>508800889
>You trust in God when you listen to your heart, your conscious, when you pay attention to nature and realize that nature is God's will manifesting in real time all around us, which means nothing can or ever has or will happen outside of God's will. This is where trusting in God and true inner peace comes from, accepting that everything is in God's a hands, all is right, all had always been and always will be right and there is nothing we can do to stop everything from being right. All of human history is just a little blimp. Anything that seems "wrong" now is just a rubber band being stretched that cannot be broken. Nature will snap back and god will always win.
I dont disagree with you at all outside of listening to your heart. you need a new heart of flesh given by God first in the second birth.

Jeremiah 17:9
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Ignorant Bliss
vs
Burden of Knowledge

What is it good for other than creating nihilism?

>>508800574
>>508801060
satan has you good.
repent and seek Jesus Christ, only he can save.

>>508801084
I got a better one for you. Muv-Luv, specifically Alternative, or just watch Blue Gender.

>>508782497 (OP)

No.

Why are you in Thailand? Are you a pedophile?

>>508782497 (OP)
It is unironically the ultimate goy pill
Gnostics worship Satan so do Jews retard learn history and geography and context.

>>508801275
It's good for making christians fume. Gnosticism is pretty much the same as regular christianity

>>508801286
>I can never move forward
>Only an external force can save me
What's funny is that even if I WAS the second coming of Christ the Redeemer, you'd reject me again, just like all the other times. What did the Christ say?
>Greater things than this shall ye do
>By YOUR faith, you are saved
You look outside for your salvation, but it was never outside you. If you YOURSELF are not Christed, then you have no salvation. This is why jews exterminated the Gnostics. They worship the external, the demiurge. But here are my pearls, you swine. Enjoy trampling upon them in your ignorant arrogance. There was never anything I could do for you

>>508798493
the gnostics are wrong but gnosticism was created in the 4th century while kabbalistic thought emerged like 1000 years later

Gnostics were the first christians. Marcion had it all right. Then they "built upon" the story added more to it many years after Jesus. Made it sound like he rezzed which he didnt.

Shame, all the Abrahamic religions have turned out to be 100% false man made bullshit once you truly do your historical research.

>>508801084
>Gnostics don't go around selling people false promises.
they sell the idea that the supreme god is not responsible for the evil of the universe, which is false

>>508801275
>What is it good for other than creating nihilism?
It's still better than believed in delusional fairytales about a loving creator who nevertheless enshrine pain and suffering into the basic makeup of his reality. At least with Gnosticism you get a semi-realistic take on the nature of existence, even if the details themselves are fuzzy. One doesn't have to treat it as a religion to understand that there's solid kernels of truth buried within Gnostic teachings.

Again, anons take this shit way too literally. But there's something to be said about the whole idea of overcoming one's baser nature and ascending out of this material prison purely on the strength of one's conviction and spiritual growth. It sure as hell beats waiting for daddy YHWH to nail himself to a cross again and bail out your sinning ass.

There's innumerably reasons to loathe the Abrahamic faiths, chief among them the fact they all impose a slave morality on their adherents. Submission and servile worship of a 'god' is repugnant to anyone with half a brain. Abrahamists are like women in a way, because they outsource their sovereignty to an external force they believe is above them. Why would an omnipotent god want slaves anyway? You'd think He'd prefer independent free thinks who'd challenge Him, not sycophants and toadies.

I think anything that inherently views existence as evil is doomed from the start. Take it to its logical conclusion. It encourages you to end the world. Thats a gay ideology.

>>508801961
only a child who still lives with their parents would want to preserve this world

>>508801716
>even if I WAS the second coming of Christ the Redeemer
Christ the savior and redeemer was already here. the next time he returns he comes as King in the clouds who executes judgement.
sorry, but you aint it.
>What did the Christ say?
I can tell you directly by quoting Christ.
>Matthew 12
>48 But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

how would you know the Will of the Father if he doesnt come to you first and reveal it. you act on your own in hubris and your own false understanding.

>But here are my pearls, you swine. Enjoy trampling upon them in your ignorant arrogance. There was never anything I could do for you

Matthew 7
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

>This is why jews exterminated the Gnostics.
the roman catholic church did. jews were irrelevant after 70 AD.

>>508802087
Then kill yourself faggot. Whats stopping you?

>>508800889
>Are you trusting God? Or are you trusting man? Or a book?
>Are books written by men the ultimate authority? No.
>You trust in God when you listen to your heart, your conscious, when you pay attention to nature and realize that nature is God's will manifesting in real time all around us, which means nothing can or ever has or will happen outside of God's will
At least this person gets it. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. I would have thought more people might have noticed. It seemed pretty on the nose to me. Well, it's not actually my problem. But I'm glad that at least a handful of you won't be fed into a horrible machine to be tortured until you have no shred of God left in you

>>508801961
>I think anything that inherently views existence as evil is doomed from the start. Take it to its logical conclusion. It encourages you to end the world.
Yes.

Here's a hot take: we as humans should optimize our society and guide our own evolution until we ascend to the point we can murder God upon his throne of lies and cast His corpse down into this snakepit of a planet He's condemned us to.

That's sure as fuck a lot more fun and life-affirming than sitting around like Christcucks and waiting for their Jew-god to scoop you into 'heaven' with a bunch of niggers and jeets.

>inb4 you can't outgrow God
If the 'God' of this reality is the Demiurge, then yeah, we can. And we should. Fuck Him, and fuck his gay prison-planet.

>>508782497 (OP)
gnosticism is based but the real redpill is hermeticism

based Thoth The Atlantean will bring us back to worshiping Poseidon, the racial founder and there isn't shit you christniggers can do about it.

>>508782497 (OP)
>>508782497 (OP)
>>508782497 (OP)

>>508801845
>they sell the idea that the supreme god is not responsible for the evil of the universe, which is false
That depends on how reality is structured. If it's a multi-layered cake with multiple godlike rulers (Demiurge being one of them), then yeah, the god of one plane might not have any influence on others. And there could be endless planets of existence, with endless 'gods'.

Or maybe there's only one omnipotent Creator, and all this shit is His Fault.

>>508800889
You sound like a lost Christian who is grappling with your thoughts about a literal God or that you have to label the natural universe with something.

But, whatever floats your boat. Or you're one of those people who are trying to take Christianity split it into two groups in hopes to weld them back together again once you've got everyone on your
>God is the universe
Story. Because I've encountered a lot of you type and you will try to say
>muh Christian culture made civilization
Or some shit.

>>508782497 (OP)
>is Gnosticism the final redpill?
no, it's just more retarded fairy tales for people who are bored with conventional retarded fairy tales (christianity, islam, etc)
but at least it isn't jewish

>>508802689
wdym?
kaballah and gnosticism is basically the same.

>>508802181
Words, words, words. But not YOUR words
Honestly, I could care less if you die here. I'm quite well aware that only the furthest fucking outliers are going to survive this, and that's simply NOT going to be you.
People who understand my methodology either ask questions, make statements based on their own internal understanding, or remain silent. I'm not something to be argued with. I don't debate. I make arbitrations, and sometimes execute things if shit goes sideways. I have no great attachment to any particular experience.

Quote your book all you want. It makes no difference. Lead all men astray. I don't care. Honestly, all I feel watching humanity be fed into a mechanical blender like male chicks sliding down a chute is a vague sense of releif. You might think I dislike genocide and slaughter, but that's not true at all. I'm simply able to draw exact lines between life and death. Half the time, someone dies. It's not something worth being bothered by.

>>508801788
>Shame, all the Abrahamic religions have turned out to be 100% false man made bullshit once you truly do your historical research.
Abrahamists poached lore from Babylon, Egypt, Aryan Paganism, and anything else they could get their grubby mitts on... then tossed it into a pot and made a dogmatic stew out of it all. Anyone who knows even a bit of history can spot how various aspects of Judaism/Christianity/Islam reflect bits and pieces of older religions the Abrahamics flat-out copied. And that's not even going into all the editorial censuring the holy books underwent, then centuries of revision and piles of addenda puked on top by Semitic whoremongers whose main goal was to leech off productive workers.

The fact that 4/5ths of the planet believes in this utterly retarded nonsense in 2025 is a brutal blackpill.

>>508802881
a lot of words for saying you are an unloving satan worshiper that is obsessed with death who spits on the word of God.
but to each their own. good luck I guess.

Just look at the sheer amount of kvetching and hysterics the second gnosticism gets brought up by abrahamists and (((them))). They are terrified of it as it is the most anti-jew religion possible

>The god of the old testament, the god of the jews, is a diabolical demon tyrant, and the jews being his "chosen people" are actually only the biggest goyim in an ironic twist of fate

>>508782497 (OP)
It was the first blue pill, kike retard.

>>508792301
Got em.

>>508782693
answer me nigger

>>508782497 (OP)
In the sense of this realm being basically evil and ruled by evil entities, then yes.

>>508803125
>you are an unloving satan worshiper
Projection: the only mode of existence that a human experiences. Always looking out, never in. There's actually a mathematical explanation of this, but I'm well aware that you're too insane to be reasoned with. You'd kill me if you could, I know that. I don't even consider you demonic, I consider you like a violent zombie.

I actually don't mind demons all that much. It's the insane, rotting flesh that particularly disgusts me. Well, just goes to show how committed I am to my goal. That I'd be anywhere close to your rotting flesh proves my commitment. Angels puke around you zombies, and demons flee. Only I remain stoic enough to open the Void portal through pvre Will. You'll never actually know how close you were to escaping the Machine. People on the outside consider such levels of irony as high entertainment. They'll watch you get mulched by a machine while you proclaim holiness, and they'll laugh. I actually get paid for this

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism and reality escape religions are for pedophiles, poor urbanites, and midwits. Zero exceptions in history. The ultimate bellweather of enlightenment is quality of child rearing. Morons and Geniuses at right for exalting their blood.
Note: Neoplatonism and ancient uranism don't count.

>>508799212
NIGGER!

>>508782552
fpbp

>>508804257
Nigger nigger.
Nigger, nigger nigger nigger, nigger nigger. Nigger nigger, nigger nigger nigger nigger. Nigger, nigger nigger. Based nigger.

>>508782497 (OP)
it's unironically the blue pill

>>508803016
yknow even the patriarchs are stolen, King David is the Pharaoh Thothmosis III
They say David like "Dawud" and it's a transliteration of Thoth. Mosis means son of (God). So thothmosis becomes David Son of God.
They also both fought a battle at Megido and had a war ark. They just started squatting there after the place was cleared.

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism is occultism, and is an inversion of the old testament. It changes the point of view from which its told to depicting good is evil, and evil as good. It praises the snake in the garden of eden as a "liberator" because it gave humanity gnosis, aka knowledge, even though this was against the will of God, and God ended up being right. What the snake also did was damn the majority of humanity, several billion, to hell, and did so on purpose by intentionally lying because the snake, aka lucifer, was butthurt at God and wanted power. Satan hates humanity because he hates God, and we are Gods most loved creation, thus he wants to hurt us by decieving us into rebelling, which is normally defined as sin.

Gnosticism is the religion of the antichrist.

Buddhism is the ultimate redpill

>>508782497 (OP)
Gnosticism is a way to elude our own nature blaming someone else for our faults.
Also is misticism which leads to homosexuality.

>>508804928
>Muh books
Perhaps I am the antichrist. As you define christ, of course, that in itself being an inversion.
>give up
>you're not good enough
>beg for an external savior
Not even enough faith that God loves you personally, that He would save you Personally, that you need to beg for someone else
Anyway, I've made most of my arbitrations in this pathetic 4d shadow world. Feel free to erase it, the failures are cascating and I extracted its source of energy.

"Your" dragon comes with me, and your phone is at 14% with no method of charging.
I usually don't look back at discarded realities, but I might watch your death this time. I've found this world to be uniquely retarded and gay, so watching it get fed into a woodchipper feet first might be a nice decompression for me

>Christ mentioned once
>Seething as far as the eye can see
>Christcucks completely absent
>Gnosticism mentioned once
>Seething as far as the eye can see
>Christcucks join in on the seething
what are the implications?

>>508782497 (OP)
yea, without the pseudo atheist marvel onions reddit shit. it's just esoteric christianity. christ is still the lord, he still died, resurrected and ascended, etc. it's main appeal is how well it fits with the J pill, with their god being an evil deity creature that is inferior to christ, etc.
i understand why the thiel network pushes it though. they market it with way less christianity and way more judaism + paganistic influences.

>>508805586
I tested their script with the Muslim bashing but none of them joined, these are Mudslime bots larping as Christfags 100%.

>>508791188
>there is just one god
>believe I know because...

I wonder why this makes /pol/ so mad lmao, imagine getting mad by other peoples thoughts

>>508805454
>beg for an external savior
Jesus died for me a sinner 2000 years before I was even born without my knowledge or understanding out of his own free will.
I never had to beg, he showed up, carried my sins on the cross and absolved me without me ever asking for it.

your entire view is a twisted abomination of the real deal. you want to be the hero of your own story when the hero already showed up. its pure pride and ego in its most basic form. youre obsessed with death, a schizophrenic paranoid psychotic husk of a person, seek help from God. you need it.

>>508782497 (OP)
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

>>508805454
This is a prime example of why gnosticism is false and inherently satanic; in its attempt to attack Christianity, it just becomes an edgy schizopost, its why kikes shill gnosticism on this board
>"Im the antichrist, ive travelled dimensions and realities"
No, youre either trolling (hopefully) or DMT has made you retarded. Either way, youre selling yourself for the grand price of nothing when you attack Christianity, there is no gain from it.

>>508782497 (OP)
No. It's closer to the truth than most of the fake religions and spiritual schools though.

We live on a prison planet, an interdimensional farm run by demonic entities. The substance they are farming is called 'loosh', or suffering energy, generated when sentient beings experience fear, agony, and negative emotions in general. The more complex the vessel in which a soul is imprisoned and the more profound the suffering they go to, the more potent the loosh which can be extracted. The entity races ('archons' in the gnostic terminology) use this loosh both as an energy source and as an intoxicating drug. When your flesh prison-body dies off, your soul, the energy body containing your spirit or individual observer-consciousness, will be transported to an energetic tunnel leading to a white light. The archons will appear to you in the form of loved ones or religious figures (whichever you had the strongest emotional connection to in your material life) and manipulate you to enter the light. This will lead you to an archontic astral realm wherein you are recycled and eventually reincarnated into another life of suffering and toil in a flesh suit, either in this world or another.

Any religion or spiritual school that teaches worshipping entities, calling out for a savior, letting go of one's self, 'surrendering to the universe' or whatever - is an archontic psyop designed to make you compliant. Salvation lies within you and you alone. Only you can save yourself from the nightmare we are trapped in. Nobody outside of yourself will come to your rescue, ever.

>>508783170
Yeah, Nature is kino. Embrace the violence.

>>508806033
I haven't had a German beg me so hard for salvation since before the first American eclipse. I mean, you're doing it backwards, but I can still get the message. You're terrified. You're so fucking scared. I'm not sure if I care enough to drop a cluster bomb of miracles on you though. I mean, I've banked so many miracles that I could just reshape entire dimensions with them

But you know what? I never actually cared that much about my own personal preferences. All I care about is approaching the Throne of God. I know I can't reach it, but I still approach it. Such is infinity. I never got lost in a shadow world, building sandcastles in a perpendicular world made of nothing at all. Dying for nothing at all

I simply live

>>508806240
>posted from the comfort of his own home
if pessimists should just kill themselves, why shouldn't life affoooormers sell their homes and go live in the jungle? retard

>>508806165
>you can be your own god
you fall for the first lie. thats the entirety of gnosticism, you can do it on your own bruhv, trust yourself :^)

>>508806630
>You're terrified. You're so fucking scared.
why would I? I have Jesus Christ in my life who conquered death for me. I have nothing to fear but God.
>I'm not sure if I care enough to drop a cluster bomb of miracles on you though. I mean, I've banked so many miracles that I could just reshape entire dimensions with them
I want nothing from you or anything to do with you. I simply point you toward the savior.
>I never actually cared that much about my own personal preferences.
nigger what, you are full of yourself. you jump from one point to the other and back every few minutes. you have zero foundation but schizophrenic babble. get a fucking grip man.

>>508806658
Because "nature" as green stuff is a modern modertroon invention. I'm living in nature in my home and it's in my nature to do so.

>>508806240
>be the lifeless void of space
>life springs miraculously out of near nothing on an infinitesimal speck
>that speck inevitably becomes a "vast altar upon which all that is living must be sacrificed without end, without measure, without pause"
>"gnostics are satanists"
gnostic chads couldn't stop winning if they tried

>>508806967
you're posting about how the inherent violence of life is "kino" behind four walls. coward

>>508782497 (OP)
God literally preaches the same thing through Christianity. What a waste of time

>>508806165
While all of this is true, it never really resonated with me because all I was able to say in the past was "ok but what do I do?" and move on.
That was until someone showed me a legit, energetic way to cut ties and burn the demons. My crippling tinnitus is gone, I can sleep well again and the quality of my life has improved a dozen times over.

>>508807182
no you fucking dumb absolute ape nigger trash turbo nigger retard. christianity is not dualistic.

>>508782552
show flag jewish hands

>>508782497 (OP)
daemons control this world. the only thing we can do is spotting the people who work for them, or who are possessed by them and find those actual humans who are kind and have a soul and live with them. protect ourselves from daemons and live our lives peacefully.

>>508782497 (OP)
nah. its jewish. you gotta reverse engineer back to a state before jews. so literally platonism.
"gnostic" is used ironically.
gnosticism is what happens when youre a schizophrenic of the jewish sort, and try to reconcile the platonic monad system that exists irl, with your fake and gay post-platonic socially engineering psyop predicated on jewish supremacism
the two are incompatible

>>508807409
gnosticism is the least jewish religion in human history

>>508806915
>you jump from one point to the other and back every few minutes
That's what people with less than 130 IQ always think. You're just too stupid to follow the thread of meaning from one point to the next
No wonder you just read a book and believe it. You are incapable of thought

I wouldn't feel too bad though, you're just a zombie with a keyboard. This will all be over soon
Actually it won't though, your soul is going to be slowly myulched by a machine until you both simply cease to exist, but the torture will last what feels like billions of years. Anyways, go fuck yourself retard. You won't even have the mnd to think about the time you had a chance to escape. All you are is a unit of pain

Not a single one of you understands how fucked you are. Anyway, good riddance to bad rubbish

>>508807108
You think you are making a point, but you are not. you are just a snarky bitch.

>>508782497 (OP)
>>508807409
this is what happens when you go full blown "gnostic"
>>508807474
then youre probably already spiritually semitic then

>>508791085
you and I are are not here, anon

>>508803958
I have been reading about Gnosticism for a couple of years, and I can't totally get it. I find it more interesting than Christianism, and it is wonderful to see faggots like the one who is replying to you seethe. It is wonderful and makes me get more interested in something that makes those rancid cucks seethe like hell.

Can you explain to me the basis of all of your Gnostic "beliefs" if we can call

>>508782552
Since I shills kwetching so early and quickly that means yes
Yes it's the final pill
Avoid the white light at all costs and wish for a place for away from this shit hole also all voices are demons

>>508806915
Indeed you can; in fact it is the only way. Be a farm animal if that is what you desire. I am determined to exit this shithole and make this my last incarnation cycle.

>>508807256
Yup, correct. You can literally learn to remove ailments and manipulate the physical world around you through energy work. When I realized this stuff actually works it clicked for me that I wasn't just dealing with an interesting abstract metaphysical theory but that it's all real.

>>508782497 (OP)
First bluepill****
>>508782552
Fpbp \thread

>>508807562
Christ is based and showed us the way out in f this loosh farm, but the OT god acts like a petty kike, genociding tribes of goyim and demanding foreskins. Why would you worship such an obvious Semitic demon?
Marcion was right.

>>508807535
if pessimists/antinatalists/gnostics are cowards for not killing themselves, you're a coward for not living in the wilderness and exposing yourself fully to that violence which you crave and you think is kino. "it's not my nature to do so!" is exactly what the pessimists etc. say when pressed about suicide. christ, it's even covered in the maistre quote you posted you fucking gimp: it is the nature of human beings to use violence to insulate them from the primal violence of nature, which is what makes human beings so cowardly

>>508803016
Agreed. It is all taken from earlier works almost all Sumerian.

>>508789153
everything bad is jewish trick, since they are the servants of the demiurge. you're a kike.

All religions are fake and gay. The internet is the real loosh farm, not this world.

>>508807914
the internet has perfected what the world already is. a tiger literally feeds on the suffering of its prey to survive. i've seen videos of eagles devouring the insides of their prey like it's another tuesday while their victims writhe in agony. everyone on this board is more sheltered than the average "libtard"

The Demiurge is in your head, put there by your existing in human society.
It's the panopticon.
It's Nimrod's machine.
It's Cainsign
When you understand this you understand gnosticism.
Most, if not all, spiritual systems purpose is to release you from the machine, effectively allowing you to truly touch grass for the first time in your life.
Doesnt matter how "reddit" or "gay" or "Cuck" the system is, the ends justify the means.
Wake up neo.
>>508787142
One method of escape.
>>508787320
Fag. Taking it too far.
>>508788490
More bullshit.

>>508807620
>Can you explain to me the basis of all of your Gnostic "beliefs" if we can call
I can
The word of God is your own intuition
When you have a thought, and your heart loves it, but you don't really know where it came from, this is Gnosis
When you see a sunset and feel joy, this is Gnosis
When you decide to act, not for greed but for the sake of action itself, this is Gnosis

When you ask the right question, this is Gnosis
Reality wants to be ALIVE, it doesn't want to be dissected and categorized and put in a cabinet. It wants to LIVE

>>508807499
>I know best, I above you all
>youre going to hell lmao dumb goyim
youre jew, arent you?

>>508807733
incarnation is not real and God told you that he cursed this earth in the 3rd chapter of Genesis.
its not rocket science, you dont need some mystery school.

>>508808019
>The Demiurge is in your head, put there by your existing in human society.
no you absolute mongo, the demiurge may manifest in human society but it also precedes it. the demiurge is thermodynamic. human society is only a maximization of the violence already inherent in reality. again: the demiurge is not the ego, the ego is the demiurge.

>>508806915
Can you guess who said "God became man so that man might become God"? Christians. Your entire religion is a rebellion against the Old Testament, and you are commendable for it. You're half-gnostics already.

>>508790138
you are the schizophrenics, you fucking kikes.

>>508808146
>"God became man so that man might become God"
nowhere does it say that in the bible. you are still subject to the Will of the Father, just as Jesus was who was man and God.

Matthew 26
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”

>Your entire religion is a rebellion against the Old Testament
how so? the New Testament cant exist without the Old and the Old cant be fulfilled without the new. they are intertwined and cant be separated.

>>508782497 (OP)
Watch as I take it one step even deeper.

>"The world of matter doesn't exist. Matter is only energy."

There. I said it. I said the thing. We can now nuke the planet. Time to go home.

https://youtu.be/agDpegDGulI

>>508808125
Your 'god' is an interdimensional alien parasite using you as a food source.

>>508808133
You are thinking too hard about it. Adding further confounding esoteric layers on top of a system meant to help you escape.

>the demiurge is thermodynamic
Fucking lmao. You are close.
The demiurge is Logos or Mind.
Violence is inherent in the transition from chaos to logos.

if you want to get a little corny with it, yaldabaoth is the name of the black hole that consumed the matter of his parent universe to create his own. we're trapped within his event horizon. there is no escape except final death

>>508808520
>the snake was totally the good guy
you failed the most basic litmus test in the universe. did you get all your knowledge from that stupid comic posted in gnostic threads frequently?

imagine giving a fuck
who cares if god exists or not. you are here and now and it's all that matters
even if god exists he doesn't care about you, me or anyone on this planet, how many proofs do you need?

>>508792159
nah that's probably a kike or a jeet. they invade this fucking board and receive money for spamming shitposts 24/7.

>>508808666
>666
Holyshit

>>508808549
the demiurge is the law of energy which mandates consumption and predation. only stars are exempt from this law, but only for a time. you're not thinking about it hard enough.

>muh mind
the mind is demiurgic. only immanence is holy. the true god would never necessitate violence. the good, light, whatever you want to call it, is never dialectical. you fucking retards just need to read books and pissing away your god-given time posting memes

>>508792264
nope it's the kikes. TKD.

>>508808155
Eventually, you just become a warrior. Not because you ever wanted to conquer, but because you didn't want to be conquered.
I assume that as a Spaniard, you understand that.

Interestingly, if you manage to survive this, I'm putting together a team. You'll have to scrounge around for a while in 4d+t, but I think I've got a pretty good approach vector on 8d.

I expect you to understand this

>>508807620
its just jews attempting platonism
they get into the monadic perfection process and just go off the rails and start talking about abortion surviving cat faced gods
its promoted because its abrahamic, aka jewish, aka antithetical to platonism.
platonisms goal was to model the earth based on the heavens
abrahamisms goal was to model the heavens on the earth as they want it to be
platonism saves everyone in the end, they are reach spiritual perfection, as does the monad
abrahamism paywalls that shit, only jews near perfection, theres a spiritual caste system where a jew will always be above you, no guarantee your spirit is every tempered or refined to a perfect state, a huge chunk of souls are tortured for eternity in jizz/feces/fire because the gnostic god is the jewish god, unhinged, temperamental, erratic, tells you they love tho, makes you mutilate yourself and suck on baby dicks as a test(?) (seems divine, right?)

when youre a platonist you can do exercises that gnostics and abrahamics struggle with without a second thought. it comes naturally to you.
like this, i did it in a couple minutes, simple, ez, logical, interconnects, makes sense, possible, still needs refinement but has a basic model and doesnt just pass it off like "Siri, Create the Earth" but instead answers fundamental questions without hiding behind metaphor because you have no idea what youre talking about and if you actually tried youd embarass yourselves, like gnostics did.

at this point youre better off worshipping the emperor of 40k, or one of the minor races gods like the Kroot, or Tolkien's Silmarillion religion, pretty much anything is more applicable than abrahamism. but platonism is where its at. all western religion is downstream from platonism, everything downstream of it passed through jewish waters tho, so its tainted. go back to the source, start from there.

>>508808666
he does care, you will learn how it feels when he stops caring as in you will lose you link with him and that is what Hell is like

>>508808755
>reading books
Sure, let me just willingly place myself into another's demiurgic headspace.

I totally want to be mind raped by another man's thought dick.

>>508794479
tremendo judio estas hecho.

>>508808663
you fucking absolute jigaboo retard. the gnostics don't think the serpent was a good guy in his capacity as a satanic tempter. they think he was a good guy for exploding the illusion of the demiurge's garden. you niggers are so fucking absolutely retarded. you think a conscious DELIBERATE inversion of a doctrine is refuted by the doctrine itself. i want to feed you to a wood chipper

>>508807759
he sort of showed you the way it ends like a billion cycles from now, except he doesnt die, but the demiurge who jesus is pretending to be recreates himself.
none of it makes sense because yahweh is so categorically imperfect. jesus' perfection would be contingent on yahweh's, and itd be microscopic in difference, not a complete 180. i think jews were trying to go for a counter-balance ahura mazda/angra mainyu system, but they botched that too. its just slop all around.

>>508808900
>can't read books without imagining another man's penis
i know you're trying to be cute, but still. americans.

>>508808801
My explanation was better
I just told him he already knew
Which he does. You can't ask that qquestion without already knowing the answer

>>508795429
shut up kike go and die.

>>508809028
recommend the book then

>>508795505
mudslimes are kikes servants.

>>508808946
>they think he was a good guy for exploding the illusion of the demiurge's garden.
and now you have to toild and labour being governed by pedophiles you pay taxes to.
wow, what a great fucking guy you side with. you totally werent tricked and suffer for it.

God created earth and man to have authority over it and knock up his wife while everything else is taken care off. no food problem, no pussy problem, not having to work. paradise on earth. but the one who gave it all to waste is totally the good guy. God you are being played like a fiddle.
>i want to feed you to a wood chipper
what is it with you guys and wood chippers? the other jew was just as obsessed with killing and wood chippers.

>>508807793
Like I said, jungle is not the nature, where I live is nature and there is no reason for me to go into some jungle. I'm not saying violence is the only force worth anything,
Buddhists are bit gnostic too, but their aim is to reach an enlightened state where they still can feel pain and may react to it, but they don't suffer. it's looking at thing objectively. objectively and universally I affirm nature, a particular event that I experience still may be subjectively unpleasant to me but it won't change what I think about nature. this is the problem with gnostoids like you, you are doing philosophy backward, instead of starting from metaphysics you start from sensual emotions and base metaphysics on that. it's very childish.

>>508809192
Yup, historically that is what led them to taking over Spain, the Jews open the gates for them.

>>508809048
if hes jewish thatll only drive him insane
some people already know
but most people arent supposed to know
not yet atleast, they arent ready, and you cant just skip to the front of the line, you cant bribe your way or jew your way through the process, it exists the way it does for a reason. youre supposed to learn from your mistakes, not double down when it couldnt be made any more obvious you took a wrong turn somewhere

>>508808437
>nowhere does it say that in the bible
I didn't say the Bible said that. Famous christian theologians did.
>how so?
Your interpretation of the Bible contradicts the spirit of the Old Testament, which to apply the Laws, to circumcize, and to obey any other whim of Yahweh. I commend you christians for eschewing the evil practice of circumcision.

>>508809161
you can start with hans jonas. if you want something harder or even just a primer, go with Henri-Charles Puech's essay on gnostic time in the eranos yearbook.

>>508809224
>violence is natural, but the natural isn't violent
sloppy philosophy. if you were honest you'd admit theravada buddhism is the closest this world has to a practical gnosticism. you're only attributing this lame emotive bullshit to gnosticism because it doesn't have a real praxis, at least as far as we're able to tell by the nag hammadi. you argue in bad faith. you're not interested in ideas or history, you're interested in memes. the cathars had an endura which is almost identical in spirit to the jain sallekhana and buddhist self-immolation.

>>508809417
you actually can, Gurdjieff's 4th way

>>508809516
>Famous christian theologians did.
I couldnt care less what fallible man asserts. doesnt matter if he calls himself a christian. there are so many frauds and false christians I dont even want to be associated with christians.

>which to apply the Laws, to circumcize, and to obey any other whim of Yahweh
the Law had one purpose, to make clear we are man who cant keep the law and only God can fulfill his own Law. man can never measure up with God.
the New Testament teaches that faith makes you righteous, just as it made Abraham righteous in Gods eyes in the OT. not the law, nor works, nor circumcision, only faith alone.
circumcision is for Israel, not for believers. believers are circumcised in the heart and not of the flesh.

>>508809554
>Henri-Charles Puech's essay on gnostic time in the eranos yearbook

I... actually own this book. You are the second or third to recommend it. Weird.

>>508809417
>you cant bribe your way or jew your way through the process
Oh don't I know it
I'd never admit it online on a mongolian throat-singing forum mostly populated by isreali posters
But sometimes you just have to act from the heart. I expect it will hurt. I assume the pain will be tremendous and epic and you'll wish you were dead, but you won't be dead, you'll be in pain.
Somewhere in this matrix of pain and pleasure, you might become alive. Cowards never will

>>508797061
Satan is Yaldabaoth. He rebelled against God (Logos/Sophia) because of jealousy: he wanted to be God himself and kill his creator. God created Yaldabaoth because that's his instinct: creating life. But that created life decided to be evil.

That's what daemons are: rebellious forms of life who are destructive and evil by their own choice.

That's what happens when you are devoured by your own desires: chaos and destruction.

>>508809914
I already gave you one way, there are others, just saying get your head out your ass

>>508809868
all right, based. read jeffrey bingham's rebuttal in a tyranny of time, available on annas archive. it's very dry and academic, unfortunately. or download the gnostic world. sorry i've been out of the loop. i respect gnosticism but the material on it is very finite. i've started to go full-time on theravada

>>508809554
do you think you are making sense you stupid faggot? you are just rambling irrelevant shit now.
Gnosticism is emotive faggotry, you people hijacked plato's republic and edited it with your retarded fanficiton and that's your philosophy, it's an utter joke. yes your view isn't much different from christianity, but it's way worse argued and yes cathars were woke trannies like you too. theravada is gay.

>>508797263
the bible was written by philosophers in ancient greek, in europe.
jews don't follow the bible. they worship demons and their books are witchcraft books written in the middle ages.
they've always been against goodness and god himself.

>>508809554
I recently read Otto Rahn's book on the Cathars. Really opened my eyes to the absolute depravity and degeneracy of the Catholic church. They actually tortured and murdered people for being too virtuous and ascetic. That is the real face of the 'good Christians' and their parasitic niggerdemon fake god.

>>508810037
i am making perfect sense. gnostic inverted plato's timaeus, not his republic you absolute pseud nigger faggot kek.

>>508810062
uh yeah bro but not torturing and killing vegetarian ascetics is bluepilled, torture and kill vegetarian ascetics for evropa bro. this board is trash. leave post haste

>>508809994
Yeah well I move through dimensions like you walk through doors
If you have some sort of method to "save" people I'd love to see it
Hey while you're at it why not write me a manifesto on how to save tapeworms

>>508809812
Have you considered that men couldn't obey the Law, because the Law was evil? Would you manage to slaughter men, women, children and babies, and animals? If you couldn't do it, "God" would condemn you, because that was ordered in 1 Samuel 15:3. The OT is nasty and christian ethics are much better by comparison, but they're still far too focused on making men submissive and unquestioning slaves to the elusive will of "God". Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be ruled by christians (especially protestants, they tend to be less mystical and more rational) than jews or mudslimes, but at the end of the day we'll need to have a serious conversation about what the Bible really says.

>>508810353
Buddhism is the ultimate redpill.

>>508810139
there was edited Plato's republic found in Nag Hammadi you absolute cretin. you have no arguments and just spewing bunch of idiotic bullshit smugly, now you are attempting gotcha faggotry and utterly failing.

>>508782497 (OP)
this shit will make all the midwits do the zsoyface

>>508809729
not familiar but in my experience there isnt some ez mode universally applicable method because these truths slip off of you like teflon, its physically impossible because theres a govern on the backend that prevents lineskipping
if you pass that bar and the govern is disabled, youll find it in other ways because its already inside you

>>508810418
>because the Law was evil?
what is evil about the law?
dont be a sexual degenerate who practices sodomy and bestiality.
dont be a murderer, dont be a rapist, dont be a whore, dont have idols, dont sacrifice your children etc.
I see nothing wrong with it. its /pol/s wet dream of a functioning society.
but we cant obey all the law, or can you avoid to not wear polyester and wool clothes at the same time all the time?
>Would you manage to slaughter men, women, children and babies, and animals?
nowhere mentioned in the law. it was a mission by God to eradicate Moloch cults who sacrificed their children. read the fucking bible once instead of mixing things up like a 15 yo edgy atheist.

>>508810523
yes, because the monks who stored the nag hammadi texts in some jar in the desert were not some homogeneous sect. and even if they were, it'd be proof they had a respect for the republic that belies your characterisation of them. fucking sped. the gnostics inverted the demiurge of plato's timaeus into an ignorant/bumbling creator at best (valentinians), or a malevolent demon at worst (sethians).

>>508808938
mejor quedate en silencio retrasadito

>>508798927
Freud was a kike. Jung was right.

>>508782552
fpbp /thread

>>508810727
the law is evil for being the law

>>508810833
jung was his direct pupil and he presented just as much data for his kiked out ideas as freud (zero)