My country has been financing it's military with 1,3 to 1,6 percent of GDP since the end of the Cold War.
Unlike many other European nations my country has only increased it's military potential over the decades after the fall of USSR.
We've maintained the largest artillery force in western Europe by a long shot while others saying having artillery is "obsolete".
To put things into perspective if the US would have the system we have and it was adjusted to population size the US would have to the following:
-Train 1 668 600 military men every year
-Maintain a reserve of 55 620 000 of trained personnel
-Be able to equip and field 17 304 000 men in times of war
-Have a fleet of 3955 capable modern fighter jets
-Maintain 12 360 Leopard 2 level main battle tanks
-Maintain 13 102 Infantry Combat Vehicles
-Have 92 700 artillery pieces of various types
And much much more.
What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Plate everything we have in gold??

>>508798296 (OP)

>>508798296 (OP)
You joined NATO unprovoked like a lil bitch, now you reap the rewards. Pay up you silly pay pig

>>508798296 (OP)
You pay for protection or pray russia doesn't try some shit.

The world isn't a fair or just place mate, never has been, never will be.

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Give it to boeing, fucking obviously.

>Probably this
https://youtu.be/Lh6ifs1wfBY

Countries are starting to sell medical memberships again because they are so broke and need to fund up their militaries to compete with rival military factions such as CJNC.

>>508798296 (OP)
Get rekt lmao

>>508798296 (OP)
Nah, we've hit 2% for NATO and 2% of that 5% is going to go into related defense shit but not directly military. So we'll only increase our spending in military by half to 3%.

>>508798296 (OP)
NATO isn't a charity service, son. Quit complaining and cough up what you owe (5%). It's for your own good. You goys want to be protected from Russia, so this is how you're gonna do it.

If you want to imagine true horror, you are going to have to fight the US soon in an actual war. Will you be ready?

>>508798296 (OP)
No more welfare.

You"re being prepared to fight in a large scale ground war with Russia. The USA will be fighting China and Iran.

>>508798296 (OP)
You shouldn't have voted yes in the public referendum to join NATO the NATO requires.

>>508798296 (OP)
> Plate everything we have in gold??
not EVERYTHING

>>508798296 (OP)
You just got TRUMPED

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
That's couple of ammo factories, some cutting edge landmine factories, and a drone factory or two.

I'mma try to catch a job in one of these when they activate

>>508798296 (OP)
trump is getting hoodwinked by all european countries

5% of gdp into defense spending from all eu,
in reality that would mean the end of all welfare states. that would mean all money goes to military.
even usa is just 3.5%.
this is political suicide.

i think the key is " #by 2035 "
= translation no eu country will actually follow it, just push the issue to 2035 and then simply not do it, when trump isnt president any longer.

"deadline in the final text is 2035, according to diplomats. " https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-countries-approve-hague-summit-statement-with-5-defence-spending-goal-2025-06-22/


>>508798558
>other nation´s people should ALSO talk about MY country instead of their OWN.. t. ryssäZ

>>508798296 (OP)
>since the end of the Cold War.
Times have changed. Dont think the current low military spending levels common in europe today were always the case.

>>508798296 (OP)
The 5% are only required to shovel even more monies to the ever greedy US MIC. There is no other reason.

here's a thought yuros
if you love your gibs so much then just make them go through the military. give free meals or subsidize housing through military service, and count that as your 3% more of gdp
you get to keep your gibs for people that serve (i.e. that "deserve" it), you build an even stronger martial culture, and you put money into "NATO" without wasting it on the MIC.

>>508799990
>Dont think the current low military spending levels common in europe today were always the case.

lets see. here is historic chart of military defense spending in gdp
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=FI

in reality we used DIPLOMACY as our main "weapon" against the russians, not military.
notorious kgb assassin boss Viktor Vladimirov (he was literally in charge of the assassin department osasto 13, The 13th Department) completely openly sauna visited our president kekkonen regularly, they had fun.
our elite politicians talked even more with kgb than with soviet leadership, they had chummy relationship with kgb.
in fact, if you look our gdp % we used even during cold war, it was very low.
we didnt have giant heavy weapon research and production stations where we put all our money in.
our HIGHEST was 2.51% of GDP in 1961. then it immediately crashed to 1.9%, then 1.6%, then 1.4%, then 1.3%. never exceeding 2% in history. 1.6% in 1984.
1.1% in 2001. average 1.4% until 2021.

the something we had, we had second hand soviet stuff, not domestically produced heavy weapons
most of our artillery is still second hand soviet stuff
practically everything in our inventory was second have soviet stuff we searched from discount bins when they were in sale around the world. we were the recycling army.
even when trying to westernize, current k9 thunder artillery from korea was second hand. leopards? second hand. in fact we still are recycling army.

certainly never 5%. would have been cool north-europe´s north-korea country, if we had 5% into military heavy weapons research and development for 100 years.
everything home designed, home produced, to work just in defensively in only finland environment, that would have been something to see.

>>508798296 (OP)
That is SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH.
Now you MUST pay in blood.

>>508800238
>in reality we used DIPLOMACY as our main "weapon" against the russians, not military.
kek how'd that work for ukraine? You guys would end up supporting russia and then the west would hold a coup to force you to align with us.

>>508798296 (OP)
Don't worry I'm sure your politicians and military industrial complex will find a way to spend the money

>>508800238
oops forgot the chart

>>508798296 (OP)
>what the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Supply Germany and the unelected EU monarchy's military before they turn on you and attack with the arms you supplied.

>>508799737
>I'mma try to catch a job in one of these when they activate
I already work in munitions production.
Imma gonna be fully employed for the foreseeable future.

>>508798296 (OP)
5% OF FINNISH GDP GOES TO LOCKSNEED

F35S WITH ALL THEIR SENSORS CONSTANTLY ON THE R*SSIAN BORDER

PUTLER IS SEETHING HIS ASS OFF
HE WANTED LESS NATO HE GOT MORE NATO

>>508798698
This. The jewish owners of Goying, Locksneed Shartin, General Kikenamics need your taxshekels, goy!

>>508798681
wtf is a centrelink?

>>508798558
Get bombed again serbo subhuman

>>508799737
Bad news, spiritual nigger, we don't have that kind of money, our economy is fucked and you are gonna die. Thanks for playing!

>>508799179
You mongrels you couldn't even defeat chink rice farmers and goat fuckers with ancient kalashnikovs, sit down and shut up mongrel.

>>508800521
Exactly. That pidor moron woke up the pacified NATO cucks and made them spend more money than even during the coldwar. Truly 4D chess...But I still dont understand the absurd amount fo 5% of all GDP in NATO.
Thats an insane amount of money and I dont even know how to spend that ridiculous amount? Are we fighting against aliens or something?

>>508798296 (OP)
NOT
MY
PROBLEM
Now is the time to cut all that free education and healthcare you parasites get because my nation was funding your share, assfuck bitch.

>>508800957
Lmao you are literally mexican shitskin.
>>508801118
The High Lords of Terra demand their due, tithes must be paid.

>>508801185
anon, that's Finland
you're thinking of Israel

>>508801241
Israel is part of that too.

PAY YOUR SHARE EURONIGGERS

>>508801185
Nigger, you will be paying 5% as well. You are now barely at 3.2% and its already a huge burden. Now you will pay 55% MORE on top of that already absurd amount.

>>508801283
We will pay you half...of nothing. Get fucked mongrel whore lmfao.

>>508800875
>>508801106
lol, lmao

>>508798296 (OP)
AS I SAID IN PREVIOUS THREAD
YOU USE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO BUILD INDUSTRY
YOU USE SAID INDUSTRY TO PRODUCE MILITARY EQUIPMENT/AMMO
YOU EXPORT WHATEVER IS BEYOND YOUR PERSONAL NEED

>>508798296 (OP)
just dont pay it and leave lmao

>>508798698
Military procurement such as buying fighter jets, tanks or artillery pieces is funded separately from defense budget.
To be clear the defense budget is the money needed for day to day running of the military.
Equipment purchases are a separate financing issue.

>>508801346
Dragomir, i know you love slurping that pidorashka cock, but you really should try to be less of a faggot.

>>508799626
>You shouldn't have voted yes in the public referendum
There was no public referendum.

>>508801103
Just throw old people under the bus, lots of dosh in that store

>>508801399
HOWS THE WEATHER IN ST PIDORSBURG VLADIMIR VLADIMIROVICH

>>508800238
Yes and then your retarded leaders started sucking down all of the CIA and Perfidious Albion’s propaganda about how Russia and Putin are literally the devil. So you did a bunch of stupid belligerent shit and now you’ve poisoned your relationship with the biggest regional power with Europe. Your English and French neighbors also slowly poisoned Europe’s relationship with America with years of “we have le welfare state and free healthcare and poor burger colonials spend all their money on tanks hon hon hon” jokes which put a big flashing neon sign on their free riding. Then they acted bitterly pissy about America ever actually using its military and refused to help out with Iraq. I admit the Iraq war was stupid but it’s a bad attitude to have if you ever expect to get help with your stupid wars in the future. So now you’re stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea.

>>508798558
Based.

>>508800957
IRL we find archeological evidence all the time that suggests that Vikings had their assess handed to them back in the day.

>>508801542
i neither mentioned russia nor called him a tranny
they really are sending jeet niggers exclusively now

>>508800957
The finns are too white looking, however the rest is not inaccurate.

>>508798296 (OP)
Bankrupt RuZZia. Cause WW3.

>>508801738
>The finns are too white looking
What do you mean?

>>508801463
public referendums swedish discussion cultures are GAY and INVALID - imagine if people would just vote if they go to army - PTHYI, not part of finnish management by perkele https://urbaanisanakirja.com/word/management-by-perkele/

Just generate more money overall so it doesn't matter as much. Simple as

>>508801572
Not as based as raping and beating your wetback mom was.

>>508798296 (OP)
Finland will grow larger

>>508798296 (OP)
5% of Europes GDP is a comically large amount. Theyre planning a massive world war. I guess Covid failed or the effects of the vaccine will only be known by the next generation like the DES daughters

>>508801283
> ID: P+UT0+jl
all I have is $3.50

Trump is pushing the NWO agenda. What is the purpose of pushing western countries to rearm?

1) make a bunch of drones
2) make any conflict last longer cause theres actual equipment

and what is the plan?

1) get rid of last aryan male enclaves by making them kill each other in a war
2) get a bunch of autonomous weapons systems which can be turned against the population to enforce a police state

dismiss me as a schizo but see you all in 2030

>>508798296 (OP)
The answer is to run military universities. Free degrees in technical subjects as long as you complete reservist training.

That way you get to statpad troop numbers while educating the population. Mandating they complete reservist training also ensures they stay in shape and learn transferrable skills.

Should throw 2% of GDP across the EU into creating a based new generation.

>>508801617
ARE YOU SAYING YOUR GERMONEY FLAG IS NOT A FALSE FLAG

THEN YOU MUST BE EX STASI JAMMEROSSI

>>508801822
>asian finnboos
you know,
i once found a southeastern vtuber finnboo who listens to muumit all the time and everything about finland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPbxUF0sAxw

>>508801296
NEGATIVE
we will pull out completely from NATO and you wont do shit about it because you cant.

>>508801338
>>508802043
WRONG your days of free gibs are over eurokikes. We don't need you. Russia will sweep over you like locust and all that will survive are shit dust clouds and the romani gypsy.

ITS OVER EUROFAGS TIME TO SUFFER

>>508801346
Just so you know, Serbia will get bombed again. We are going to genocide all of you.

>>508798558
I was about to make a joke about always confusing you with Slovakia/Slovenia depending on which of the two you are, should tell you everything about your own glass house lmao

>>508802153
and her thing is to say moi moi as the stream ends, which means bye bye in finland - and is just generally finnmaxxxing as a finnboo, first time i saw asian doing that

>>508798296 (OP)
Little did Finland know that they signed up to be NATO's Onlyfans paypigs. Pay up little piggy! Rheinmetall, Lockheed, Boeing and others need to keep their stocks up while you don't get to see jack shit of it deployed on your end, cuz it's a corrupt vicious circle of incompetence you just joined.

I never liked the welfare state anyway

>>508801906
Seething f*nngolian. Your ancestors were conquered by fucking Swedes lmao.

>>508802185
Ruskies are getting the shit kicked out of them in Ukraine, they can't do shit.

>>508802351
No more brother wars. Focus on nuking RuZZia.

>>508802351
>fingolian
Norwegian, but nice try, Gonzales.

>>508802421
bullshit, they've had the ability to send ukraine back to the stone age. you should be thankful for their restraint, piggy

>>508798296 (OP)
Shut up and pay ZOG tax

>>508802502
Russia can't do shit. Amerimutts have been raised on 80's hollywood memes to think they're badass but they're really just slavic speaking turks.

>>508801118
>>508800521

>Thats an insane amount of money and I dont even know how to spend that ridiculous amount? Are we fighting against aliens or something?

i have an idea. f35´s are nuclear tactical stealth bombers.
https://breakingdefense.com/2024/03/exclusive-f-35a-officially-certified-to-carry-nuclea

everyone buys them, including us. EU has 600 f35´s by 2030.
and since we all now put all our money,
all eu nations can start domestically producing tactical + strategical nuclear weapons, too.

tactical nukes first to arm f35 with, so they disable the russian antiballistic AA with stealth bombing, and then strategic to wipe out russian population.
a good thing about russians, almost all of them are living right next to europe, making deleting easy.

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
You're supposed to buy overly expensive, boutique American weapons in tiny quantities that are completely unsuited for the kind of war you'd fight against Russia
Did you really think that NATO, the alliance that has literally only ever fought unprovoked wars of aggression, was designed to be of benefit to anyone but US foreign policy and MIC?

>>508802153
110% cuteness overload.
Need to go watch something manly and testosteronic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVWEb-At8yc

Extremely easy solotion: pay your conscripts until you hit the 5%. They spend the money and you get taxes back as well as boosting your economy.

>>508798558
I like Finnish posters but I'm going to save that

>>508798296 (OP)
when the US says pay more on the military they are extorting money for their MIC anon, why are you unable to understand this?

for defense we need a nuclear triad under our own control since russia is nuclear, see ukraine no conventional army can prevent the country from being dismantled and foreign security gurantees are hot air

>>508802502
how retarded do you have to be to actually believe this?

>>508798296 (OP)
>adjusted to population size
Meaningless metric.
The U.S. is done paying your bills. Pull out your checkbook Sven, rents due.

>>508802351
It was actually a pincer movement.
Christianity entered into Finland from the east first. Also the Swedes start counting their rule from the date their first crusade hit the shore of our land. Which is absurd.

>>508802488
Then show your flag nigger.

>>508798296 (OP)
Per capita, nigger. What you listed would last about half a day against Russia.

>>508802951
shut up you understand nothing and are proud in that

>>508802934
It's true vpn kike.

>>508802839
> boosting your economy
pajeetonomics
they were right all that time
let's eat shit, that would help

>>508802955
I just like these memes t b h

>>508801185

Holy...where do you delusioned idiots come from? You didn't pay for shit in EU bitch, you stole from us, u lie compulsivedly to get an edge, at every point, pearl harbor, moon, 9/11, disturb international peace and then ask for money back for your wrongdoings. You ARE the jews you coverup for.

The American Dream was beautiful but only because of our homes and people around us, I've never been to US, I've never felt the American Dream, I just heard the words and applied my feelings to it. You soaked up generational welbeing into a therm or American Dream and now you want to cash out violently as if anyone did anything to you idiots?

You're beyond fucking retarded, your parents should probably rough you up a bit, fuck you doing here barking about me owing you shit?
Bitch you owe us.

>>508798296 (OP)
>Plate everything we have in gold??
You misunderstood something here
The money goes to the jews in form of the US MIC

>>508803013
its true that theyre getting raped by fpvs on their own territory

>>508802934
No he's correct.
Russia hasn't come close to full mobilization yet.
Over the decades I've always said: "never underestimate the Russians".
A philosophy why we have the military we do have now.

>>508803220
the years 1000 - 1300
looked like extremely chaotic but fun times, with some kind of bigger or smaller skirmish with some neighbor of ours literally every year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Finnish_wars#List_of_early_Finnish_wars_and_conflicts

>>508803353
if russians would fight on 2 large fronts, then they would have to use the full mobilization of literally everyone, immediately

>>508802951
>The U.S. is done paying your bills.
Nigger you have NEVER played our bills.

the EU needs a nuclear triad of her own then we can cut defense spending again
its retarded to pay protection money for an unreliable security guarantee or focus on conventional weapons when the target or potential threat is russia

anybody who is against an EU nuclear triad and wants to focus on conventional weapons is a russian agent

>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Make interceptors to donate to Israel so they can fire 5 at every single shitty ballistic missile sandnigger next time. Also pay for MIC CEOs and other hooknoses.

>>508798296 (OP)
Your white you'll figure it out. We have faith in you.

>>508803462
>>508803220
things like
" 1191 Danish crusade to Finland Danes make a crusade to Finland.[29] "

" 1202 Danish crusade to Finland Danes make a crusade to Finland which is led by the Archbishop of Lund Anders Sunesen and his Brother. "

" 1229 Finns proper fight to eradicate Christianity from their lands Pope Gregory IX condemns Gotland in his letter on 16 February for providing Finns proper with weapons, horses, ships and supplies which they use in their battle to eradicate Christian faith from their lands.[33] "

>>508803732
" 1237 Häme insurrection Pope Gregory IX urge Catholic men to fight against Tavastians who have returned from Catholism to Finnish paganism in his letter on 9 December.[34] "

" 1240 Battle of the Neva Swedes, Norwegians, Finns proper and Tavastians makes a campaign against Novgorod.[24] "

like what the fuck is going on every year

>>508803220

>>508798296 (OP)
Buy more overpriced US military equipment from kikes. Are you stupid?

>>508802951
what are you talking about? you cant even pay your own bills

>>508798558
I look like that and say and do those things.

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
>Plate everything we have in gold??

i guess the nato airport here now costs 1.5 billion usd
if you dont like it we will find other customers

>>508802229
Get a sip of this faggot

Here is what happened:

Trump the whiny toddler demanded 5% from all NATO countries for America's continued support.

European NATO countries have agreed among themselves to SAY that they will increase to 5% in order to appease him.

They will use clever accounting, quietly delay the process and silently backtrack on it in 4 years' time. It's entirely optics for Trump's benefit.

Spain was the last hold out: word from those at the NATO summit is that Germany's new chancellor had a word and explained to them that they can put all kinds of civilian services under the 'military' umbrella and fudge the numbers up to 5%. Apparently they'll be including their coastguard and traffic police as military spending.

>>508798296 (OP)
>-Train 1 668 600 military men every year
>-Maintain a reserve of 55 620 000 of trained personnel
>-Be able to equip and field 17 304 000 men in times of war
Who the fuck cares? This isn't 1914.

>-Have a fleet of 3955 capable modern fighter jets
So far smaller than the American fleet
>-Maintain 12 360 Leopard 2 level main battle tanks
So slightly more tanks than America who doesn't even focus much heavy mechanized formations?
>-Maintain 13 102 Infantry Combat Vehicles
I think America has more
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Have an actual air force

>>508798296 (OP)
Russia hasn't come close to full mobilization yet.
Just as Stalin didn't show his full hand in the Winter war of 39 against your country, Putin is yet to show his. So far the vast majority of Russian soldiers are their voluntarily. Once mass mobilization starts your going to see giant WW2 style human wave attacks and the Russians breaking through. Furthermore the North Koreans have a military in the millions and they have pledged to start sending 100,000s of soldiers. Trump will likely pull the US out of Europe also. We all need to step up if we don't want to get exterminated.

>>508804240
stick to the history channel, bub

>>508804191
>Who the fuck cares? This isn't 1914.
Indeed it is not,
america´s attention is 100% in china, so what america is, does not matter - count usa out in the next EU v RUS match.

>>508804376
The mass genocide and conquest of Europe is ongoing right now retard. Your country and people are irrelevant, leave the conversation to the big boys.

>>508804240
we'll see that if those niggers can actually take donetsk in the next 3 years

>>508804191
The point being the amount of money spent to maintain such an arsenal.
And to be clear it's an arsenal that's ready for use.
Not about equipment stored into some storage area somewhere which tales from months to years to bring into active service.

>>508804468
yes and also war can help with that, only total war can bring the fascism needed to also purge european societies from undesirables.

take for instance nuclear war - it wipes out only large cities, and large cities are full of ethnics, bringing the ethnical makeup demographies back 200 years, which is a great thing. hence, we have nothing to be afraid from nuclear war, the opposite, welcome it with happiness and jubilation.

>>508798558
Based!!

>>508804605
With US military aid cut off by Trumpstein, whom has shipped off 'Patriot' defence missile systems to Israel for free whilst denying the Ukrainians the ability to purchase them with cash, they will. Unless Europe steps up massively. My country is the biggest contributor to Ukraine in Europe by far, time for others to step up.

>>508798296 (OP)
Welcome to NATO, Jussi-Pekka. No refunds.

>>508798558
This guy fucks!

>>508802054
>>508802054
>What is the purpose of pushing western countries to rearm?
Gee I wonder! What could possibly be the reason?!

The only places that didn't rearm were the Western Euro lib countries that bought into the myth of the 'end of history'. Everyone in the Baltics was saying for years that this is wrong, that Russia is still the same shithole as before that only understands the language of violence.

>1) get rid of last aryan male enclaves by making them kill each other in a war
Not happening, sign tappers already got proven wrong about Iran too.

>>508798296 (OP)
Show your tits woman. Only a female could compose such a screeching post

>>508804666
You do realize the 5% includes all military spending, not just what your government classifies as military budget, right? Also 1.5% can be spent on useful infrastructure like roads, bridges, airports, and telecomms.

>>508799737
you are the most retarded nigger faggot if u think any of that money is staing in finland
lmao

>>508804801
ironic thing was that nato was advertised to us, that we can keep military spending low,
because we have so many others to help us after all, broad shoulders to share the expenses with.

now its 150% increase in just 2 years, kekw. Finland officially joined NATO on April 4, 2023

>>508804685
>t.accelerationist
When you are having to fight for the continuation of your existence as a people it can 'radicalize' you in a positive way, see the AZOV battalions.

But Russian nukes would screw us all. I have a theory that the reason why the Russian soldiers are so poorly trained/armed is that they have a plan to just nuke us all at some point anyway, then send in the hordes. No point in wasting time training them up.

>>508804785
ofcourse, europe needs to rearm. the russians are still a massively overstated threat, however.

>>508800138
This, 5% of a countries gdp every year just on defense spending is a lot.

>>508805088
>Admitting you joined to be a mooch
Get fucked I hope we make you niggers pay 10% of your GDP for defence.

>>508804468
fucking tories

>>508798296 (OP)
>finnish defence minister
<blond Genghis Khan
lol

>>508805267
>China infiltrated NATO

>>508805147
>the russians are still a massively overstated threat, however.
If we had a normal US president, sure. When you have the leader of the most powerful nation on earth shilling for them non-stop it makes them a far greater threat. Every Russian soldier received a 10% boost from Zelenskyy being degraded in the White house with Trump screaming YOU ARE NOT WINNING THIS, it was played on all Russian TV stations non-stop. US has deliberately denied Ukraine intelligence whilst feeding Ukrainian locations to Russians.

>>508805088
And I thought that Finland was already spending a lot on military since before 2023 it had to be self-reliant in the possibility of a war (which was 90+% Russia in any hypothetical scenario)

>>508805267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el93MIxAf-c

>>508805379
they were neighbors to a far more dangerous and belligerent soviet union for decades and they didnt piss their pants back then

>>508804113
> get a sip of this faggot
Because using "load" would be gay.
kopanec do guli a pusa na celo

>>508805379
Because it is conscription army and all benefits that for example US army offers (e.g. tuition, healthcare) are already available to everyone. If finland started counting the healthcare and tuition costs for every man who completed military service the % would be over 10% which is why just blanket looking at different percentages across nations is fucking retarded.

>>508805379
when you produce things domestically, it doesnt cost much.
but now we'll just buy 50 years olddefective NATO junk for 1000% markup for 5% of our GDP

>>508802082
By introducing this good idea to the world you have guaranteed it will not be implemented by our government.

I guess you'll have to cut all that wonderful social welfare we've been subsidizing for years.

>>508805267
>>508805331
>has a more roman nose than American defence minister
weird

>>508805088
NAFO exists to sell overpriced mutt crap you could get 5 times cheaper elsewhere to everyone, what the hell did you expec

>>508805479
Banging tune.
Here's a Finnish folk song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LfT5qJH2zc

>>508798296 (OP)
What are euros even going to spend 5% of GDP on? There's not a standard euro nato mbt, IFV, spg, mlrs or fighter jet. For MBT there's the leclerc, challenger 2, leopard 2, romania and poland have abrams. Poland wants to start buying and making kimchi tanks. Unless there's standardization of equipment and new production, 5% of GDP is going to translate to wasting money and buying mutt F35s at a mark up.

>>508805379
>And I thought that Finland was already spending a lot

we do have the super cheap bang for the buck that does not show in the statistics,
since we dont pay our 1 year conscripts of literally all males every year anything at all,
thats been going on for 100 years - they get food, thats that.

if we would pay them, well, we dont want to, way too expensive.

if we had professional army that gets paid and is on full time, we would probably have 10 000 people army.
now we have 1 million in reserve for strategic depth, cheaply.

>>508805735
Also reckon we should start a 'foreign legion' equivalent for those caught up in gang crime and are in prison.
Force them to give up their passport and take a passport of somewhere like Belize or Guyana in exchange for getting released early.
5 years of service sees them get a fresh new start with a bankroll, and hopefully some local clunge to seettle down with.
Plenty of places like Belize, Somaliland, Papua New Guinea, etc where they can go.

>>508805789
everyone that uses the dollar (everyone on earth basically) is subsidizing your military

>>508805220
Yes, fuck the Tories, whom are led by a Nigerian. I'd rather be lead by a Aryan gigachad.

>>508805852

>What are euros even going to spend 5% of GDP on?


D R O N E S https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/swedish-armys-new-ai-drone-swarm-technology-can-control-up-to-100-devices

>>508798558
pretty based

>>508798296 (OP)
5% is Russia-tier spending.

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Air force of 100,000,000 drones?

>>508805983
Shut up, cold Hawaii.

>>508798296 (OP)
buy f-35s you stupid goy

>>508798296 (OP)
You faggots are likely the next country to be invaded by Russia after Estonia

>>508805852
>There's not a standard euro nato mbt, IFV, spg, mlrs or fighter jet
The NATO standard is what NATO has adopted as standard.
Leopard 2A6 tank is a NATO standard tank.
Eurofighter Typhoon is a NATO standard fighter jet.
M1A2 Abrams tank is a NATO standard tank.
AH-64 Apache is a NATO standard attack helicopter.
Even before joining NATO most of Finnish military equipment was "standard NATO" equipment.

>>508805789
why do you hate Israel so much

>>508806162
possible, but something like latvia->lithuenia is more likely target.
thats more strategically important to russians to reach their enclave in the middle europe.
to get bogged down in finland´s trees for no reason doesnt sound strategically super important.
you dont want to open 2 big fronts for nothing.

>>508806290
>Even before joining NATO most of Finnish military equipment was "standard NATO" equipment.

erm, most of our stuff was ex-soviet stuff. still a lot we havent changed to western. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Finnish_Army
a lot of ORIGIN:SOVIET UNION in there

>>508806290
That's an asinine. For most of the cold war the 3 largest countries and wealthiest countries in European NAto were West Germany, France, and the UK. All three of them have different MBTs that require their own unique parts and skills to repair. France jealously guards its' aeronautical production and won't joint Eurofighter development and adoption. Separate adoption of expensive military equipment undermines an economy of scale and it limits the ability of European NATO forces to deploy as a multinational force.

>>508806983

>>508798296 (OP)
Im jealous of this. I wish we forced our citizens to be humiliated for a couple years after highschool

>>508805852
We could just copy the design whats jewnited states gonna do

>>508798296 (OP)
Subsidize the American ruling class by buying from their Military Industrial Complex.

>>508807342
> I wish we forced our citizens to be humiliated for a couple years after highschool
that's why God created jeets
to punish your hubris

>>508798296 (OP)
That's what happens when you elect crackwhores to be your King.

They do retarded shit like getting into an alliance that you can't afford and now the people you're supposed to go to war with are building huge military instillations next to you.

>>508807184
NATO has standards for vehicles & equipment.
If a vehicle or equipment fulfills that standard it's "NATO standard".
ANY military equipment that fulfills the requirements of NATO to be considered as "standard" then the equipment IS NATO standard.
There are MIG-21 aircraft in service that are "NATO standard".

>>508807184
sure, economies of scale, standardization, would bring trillions in savings, theres already study that was made by european union - but EU-wide army federalization of all the armies of europe Napoleon style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfYT0p_08iY cannot happen before the big war, only greatest shock can cause that.

perhaps then also the federalization of the europe as a whole, too.

I vote the dead language LATIN as our new federal wide language.

Why do finns even go along with conscription when women have rights and they're bringing infinite niggers and jeets in? Is the entire country just turbocucked NTR fetishists?

>>508798296 (OP)
And? What difference does it make where officials spend the budget if you won't put it in your pocket anyway?

>>508808360
#1 military service for women exists but it's voluntary
#2 someone has to work in the factories and fields when men are fighting in the war
#3 women are a bottleneck in reproduction

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Cool it with the antisemitism, Pekka.

>>508798296 (OP)
drones are the future of warfare so invest into development of sodium ion batteries, they can offer similar capacity per kilo to lithium while having way better performance at low temperature

>>508808360
>>508808553

women should be forced to be conscripts too, true!
force them into front lines.

this is the last war and we will lose it, so might as well.
noone gives a shit if women are shit at war.
the most important thing for women is to die.
in fact, it is good that women are shit at war.
because it means more women will DIE.
women need to DIE.
i am in full favor of full conscription of all women into all combat roles, especially the more front-line role the better. a lihamylly meatgrinder of women is my policy.
i dont care who wins the war.
the war is won when women DIE.

t. moderate equality pilled north european

>>508801118
Its 3.5% + 1.5% on defense related infrastructure
NATO will be much stronger after 5 years of 5%

>>508799737

Actually this is the correct answer. We must invest heavily in the defence/dual use industry, that would bring us both economic and military power.

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Make more dakka
Waaaaaaaaaaghh!!!!

>>508808360

good question, one that many of us are asking. the correct answer is that men should put an end to the clownshow.

>>508798296 (OP)
>wait a minute, we joined this military alliance and we're expected to pay for it?!
>I thought we were getting Muh Article 5 for free

Enjoy your F35s, thank you for your perpetual contribution to our defense industry's employment

why do the british have such a massive hate boner for ROOSHA?

>>508800254
>go to a warzone
>die
>*oh dear god our little Pentti died how can this be happening!!?!?!?!?*

>>508800254
by the way that was a son of a prostitute from thailand the way he looks, 100%.
he did inherit his white father´s massive jaw.

>>508808553
And the niggers and jeets? Every finn who doesn't avoid conscription gives their tacit agreement to having their country BROWNED.

>>508803291
put your tinfoil hat back on before your brain falls out, old bitter man
>YOU'LL NEVER EVER BE AMERICAN LOLOL LOOOOL BITCH

>>508798296 (OP)
Gift it to israel, obviously.

>>508801391
If all of NATO is doing this then the market will be so flooded that there will be no buyers.

>>508799827

yeah ok, retard. Who do you think is selling the nato weaponry?

>Trump getting hoodwinked

Trump has pushed this issue forever. They even credit Trump with getting it done FWIW. I think NATO is a mafia style protection racket and I disagree w\ it entirely. THey lie about Russia and are effectively creating hysteria to sell weapons.

>>508808979
>Its 3.5% + 1.5% on defense related infrastructure
>NATO will be much stronger after 5 years of 5%

hehhe. no. you dont get it. it wont be put into action. it wont - its politically impossible, its political suicide for anyone to seriously suggest it and implement it.

you see, there is no way they will dismantle the concept of welfare states in all of europe, remove all public schools public healthcare kindergardens everything, everything possible. thats even part of our identity. and give it to military.
that we we wont get anything from taxes any longer, military gets it all.

i am not exaggarating, all europeans will literally chimp out france revolution style before that happens.

>>508811682
>THey lie about Russia
nah. ryssät are ryssät. russia is not a country, its a state of mind.

>>508810350
Niggers of all kind make like 1% of the population and most women despite kike propaganda steer clear of them.

>>508811981
>there must be a misunderstanding, we were supposed to get Article 5 for free!
Lol you are in for a big fucking surprise
You'll do what you're told, buy our weapons, and in return you get to be a province of our empire instead of the Russian one (aka the Chinese one). It's a very good deal.

>>508812607
lol, lmao

>>508812983
I recall reading this articles of Helsingin Sanomat what was about women who dated niggers.
It was quite tightly connected community where niggers switched between the same small pool of white Finnish women. They all knew each other by first name.
The Finnish women described it by like being in a relationship with a perpetual teenager.
All in all very pathetic display.

>>508812719
uh no he's right ackshually

>>508798296 (OP)
You don't have to spend 5 % , it's 3.5 %. The extra 1.5 % is just a trick by Rutte, you can say we spent that money on improving the roads or power grid for "military readiness". That money is mostly already earmarked

>>508813648
>we spent that money on improving the roads or power grid for "military readiness".
you still have to watch those cocksuckers in parliament like a hawk, just so that they even do spend that money on "army" roads

>>508798296 (OP)
Maybe you should get a job in defense for Finland instead of whatever country you are shilling for. Probably lots of cash flowing soon.

>>508798296 (OP)
Do like we do and just buy F35s. The golden king will be happy and all will be well.

Still giggling at the fact that the Finns and Swedes thought they were just joining some sort of America Defends You For Free Club instead of the front line in a new Cold War
>wow, why didn't we think of this before? if anyone messes with us a superpower will kick their ass!
>wait, what do you mean we're going to have to contribute?

>>508814996
1. Nothing ever happens
1. If id did, you won't do shit

it's a big dumb club

>>508815401
i wonder if iceland have to be part of the 5% club too, despite not even having a military. lel, that would be absurd.
i wonder if there will even be iceland politician who have the balls enough to suggest it and kill his political career.

>>508798558
kek Finland and Germany do love their masturbatory fun facts

>>508814996

I knew all the time it would be idiotic to join, but all the boomers and the sheeple in general panicked and joined without thinking twice. I don't even believe there was any CIA astroturfing or anything. They simply were panicked retards.

>>508808553
Cuck

>>508798296 (OP)
now you understand what it was like to be under soviet thought control during the cold war, only the boots our elite licks are now different but it's exactly the same shit again and again

>>508798558
Why are they like this?

>>508814996
>>508812719

history does not repeat, but it rhymes!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_under_Swedish_rule#Swedish_attitude_towards_Finland

1150 - 1809 under swedish empire as underdeveloped snow africa

>>508815774
i wonder if we could just produce and develop our own nuclear weapons as russian neighbor micro countries,
and have credible aggressive policy of it, and keep russia out that way cheaply and without attachments to superpowers. you know, estonia, lithuenia, latvia, us, etc. just creating our own nuclear kinder surprises.

>>508802082
>training an entire generation to be effective soldiers after you spent the last few decades subverting their countries
Seems antisemitic.

>>508817066
seems based. government might start thinking twice about a few things.

Calling it now, most EU countries aren't going to be willing to spend 5% of gdp on defence.

So the ones that don't want to are going to push for an EU army that is funded by 5% of the EU's gdp (in this case collectively by the countries that signed up for an EU army), as that would be cheaper long term.

>>508817661
nationalized system.
china has interesting military-civilian fusion model. lots of bang for their buck. 1.7% https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=CN
could be interesting model to emulate for the europe - federalized, nationalized, military production, conscription.

>>508798296 (OP)
No, we need to buy gazillions of weapons from Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin, goy. The Russians are coming, it's your duty to pay more taxes for worse benefits and to line American military contractor's pockets, goy. This is what you voted for, goy.

>>508798296 (OP)
It should be 7% based on the fact I like the number 7

>>508808979
thats okay i dont know why everybody is pissing themselves over it.

>>508811981
you wont do shit

>>508800735
walfare

>>508817923
>EU has no defense industry angle deployed
Ever heard of raffle or grippens

>>508818113
>you wont do shit
i mean, those that suggest the 5%, just wont be democratically elected into positions, thats all.
oh no, lost your political position. oh well.

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
Build drone armies for judgement day.

>>508817923
>Northrop Grumman
based

>>508818506
Meh you're just one loud woman with a retarded opinion they'll be fine

>>508798296 (OP)
Does paying off student loans for zoomers that enlist count as military spending?

ALL Europeans (including children) should be forced, at gunpoint, to pay reparations to Americans.

>>508798296 (OP)
>What the fuck are we supped to do with a budget of fucking FIVE PERCENT OF OUR GDP????
>Plate everything we have in gold??
Pretty much yes.
Or rather gib money to muttistan or invent inefficiencies..

That is one of the gay parts of NATO that proves it is really just a grift by accountants and bureaucrats.
Nobody cares what you deliver, only that you spend the money and spend it on equipment following American standards.

Oh, and in case of war you lose authority over your armed forces.
They are now commanded from Washington, just like the Ukrainian forces have been so far.
You enjoy bussification and suicide pushes into the same meat grinder over and over?
That's NATO doctrine.
Enjoy the ride.
Hope your new prime minister decides to blockade St Petersburg (which is an act of war).

>>508818506
this is allready in action, you might be retarded the NATO summi is over lmao.
>UHhh VOOT
yea maybe next time when the russians are pissing their territory at your doorstep retard!

>>508812719
>You'll do what you're told, buy our weapons, and in return you get to be a province of our empire instead of the Russian one (aka the Chinese one). It's a very good deal.

Based. If you want a example of what the Chink/Ruscum empire has to offer and what the US empire has to offer look at North Korea and South Korea. I'd rather live in the Korea were my income is not 500 bucks a year and I get sent to a death camp for criticizing dear leader. USA! USA!

>>508798296 (OP)
>in western Europe
Uhh...Western Europeans don't continue killing their brothers once a civil war is over. That's an Asian thing.

>>508798558
Look at this turkroach lmao get the fuck out of here u smely brownoid

>>508819379
we have democracy in europe, highest indexes in the world in all categories regarding democracy.
if we wont vote the very unpopular 5% position politicians, and majority never will, that just wont happen.

>>508819741
>dont continue killoing their brothers once civil war is over
what civil war? the reds vs. whites in finnish civil war?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War#Aftermath_and_impact

In total 76,000 cases were examined and 68,000 Reds were convicted, primarily for treason; 39,000 were released on parole while the mean-length of punishment for the rest was two to four years in jail. 555 people were sentenced to death, of whom 113 were executed.

Most prisoners were paroled or pardoned by the end of 1918, after a shift in the political situation.


Together with other broad-minded Finns, the new partnership constructed a Finnish compromise which eventually delivered a stable and broad parliamentary democracy.

The compromise was based both on the defeat of the Reds in the Civil War and the fact that most of the Whites' political goals had not been achieved. After foreign forces left Finland, the militant factions of the Reds and the Whites lost their backing, while the pre-1918 cultural and national integrity and the legacy of Fennomania stood out among the Finns.[128]

>>508818413
You can believe 90% of our excess defense spending will be from the US, with the money grubbing whores in government lining their pockets with lobbying money.

>>508798558
fpbp

>>508820139
>In total, around 12,500 Finns perished (3,000–4,000 due to the Spanish flu) while detained.
From the paragraph after the one you cited from Wikipedia.