whole wehrmacht has this in 1939

what changes

>>508812707 (OP)

Nothing. They sit get bombed into losing the war because they lost air superiority.

>>508812707 (OP)
Not much, the machine-gun was still the core component of their squads.

Not much
Stalin will just keep sending the endless wave of orcs

>>508812707 (OP)
They still run out of fuel and food in freezing Russia.

Not politics
Belongs on /k/
Slide thread

*Invents the AK and assault rifles at large*

>>508812707 (OP)
Nothing changes unless they don’t invade Russia. They could have had all of Europe.

>>508812707 (OP)
Nothing. majority of work was done by indirect fire

>>508813099
Internally closer to a G3 or MP5 than AK

The ppsh still goes brrrrr into subhuman racist nazi skulls

>>508812707 (OP)
anglokikes still kills them for goldstein

>>508812707 (OP)
they needed better logistics or access to oil / better farm lands or whatever. Germany was pretty desperate.

Nazis lost
Then the American government brought the survivors here and their offspring are in the white house

So what now gentlemen ?

>>508813189
Actually ignore me, I'm retarded. That isn't true

>>508813201
ywnbaw

>>508812707 (OP)
Americans and Brits still carpet bomb their civilian cities while Russians zerg rush them with infinite Churkas.

Stalin still ghoul-rush, Anglo-kikes still mass frost wyrms, Hitler & Fascists still barely have some bears and dryads and can't do shit getting slammed that hard, especially with one expo base all the way on the other side of the map, it's insane the fascist held off in the 1v1v1 FFA for that long when the commies and anglo-kikes decided to just team him.

>>508812707 (OP)
Nothing because they couldn't produce enough bullets to fill a magazine
Just like they couldn't have every tank be a Tiger 2 because they didn't have enough men.

and if they magically could last longer? They would have gotten nuked, just as the Manhattan project originally intended. Nazis lost bigly - there is no scenario where they won against the allies.

>>508812707 (OP)
>>508812894

This. It was about logistics and railroads, with industrial output and attrition rates factored with petroleum reserves.

You can have all the cool rifles you want, but if the bullets have to come up by horse-drawn cart you can only do so much shooting. Thinking it through a Zerg-rush by the Wehrmacht armed with magic rifles might have made the first winter even WORSE, as they would have outstripped supply lines by god knows how many more kilometres.

The Avro Lancaster cares not for your puny human rifles, the Reich would burn no matter where the front line happened to be.

>>508812707 (OP)
No they fuckin didn't. It's called the stg44 for a reason.

>>508814834
>and if they magically could last longer? They would have gotten nuked

nukes are sci fi, which is why they waited to "drop" them when hitler died and japan had lost the war in the pacific, hitler would have called bullshit and he would have been persuasive

>>508815147
Good theory, but how do you explain radiation pockets in Nagasaki and Hiroshima? Cancer rates are still higher and elephantitus cases concentrate in those areas.

>>508815108
>No they fuckin didn't. It's called the stg44 for a reason.
OP is asking WHAT IF they had the gun in 39 instead of 44. would that have changed the outcome of the war for the Germans?

>>508815332
ive seen studies that report no increased radiation related illnesses though admittedly i dont have them handy

how do you explain the fact that they literally resettled hiroshima in a week and its a thriving city to this day?
i think you are arguing in good faith (just a feeling) so ill be civil. did you ever here about the sillohuetts or shadows of people burned into the concrete of hiroshima permanently? does that not smack of emotional holocaust teir propaganda? do you believe it? think about the logistics of that, think about all the mundane shadows that should be burned into all concrete or stonework all over hiroshima that isnt present but here is the shadow of an old man with a cane a permanent reminder of how horrible and sad this no bomb is


similar to how the holocaust narrative has had to pull back on many things it presented as fact initially a lot of concentration camp quietly ammending the number of the dead to be lower for instance, nukes have gone through a similar quiet pulling back, oh the radiation isnt so bad, nuclear winter isnt a thing and so on. consider that there hasnt been a SINGLE FILMED nuclear explosion anywhere in the WHOLE EARTH since the seventies (there was literally ONE underground test in the nineties that is the one exception and underground explosions are much easier to fake) consider we also stopped going to the moon in the early seventies, consider that hollywood was relatively new and people used to get their world war news from the movie theaters so the movies had a tone of pubic trust and good will, consider that the early seventies was right around the time that american movie goers started to become savvy to hollywood practical and special effects after the sci fi boom of the fifties and sixties, they started to see the zippers and the wires, no more moon footage no more nuke footage

>>508815846
>did you ever here about
hear*

>>508813364
And those offspring are now married to kikes

>>508812707 (OP)
no not so much
but this would, see pic

>>508812894
mass produced those beauties early 40s and get the wankers mid air, would have changed everything!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasserfall

>>508812707 (OP)
Those were mostly used for paratroopers, so if it was that early in the war, the Luftwaffe program would've expanded and landed in Britain with turbojet cargo planes by the next month lmao. Nukes would never make it into europe because jet powered aircrafts would've stopped all jews dead

>>508815846
Nice rant.
Moon is fake and Nukes aren’t real in the same screed. Very nice.

Quick critique
Rads aint Bad is propaganda from the late 70’s and early 80’s when the gov was trying to get the American public to accept late second and early third generation commercial nuclear power plants.

If you don’t understand the differences between Alpha, Beta, and Gamma emitters then there is nothing more to talk about.

If nukes are fake then nuclear power is fake, as a NPR is just a bomb kept right at criticality, minus the boosting and reflectors.

Neutron Physics becomes fake as well, as are all the decay products that come out of spent fuel and have civilian and military applications.

I guess contrast scans at hospitals are just Jewish trickery.

>>508817185
and britain would've surrendered against mass paratroopers with assault rifles. The paratroopers were also known to be berserk because they would take stimulant drugs before airdropping.

>>508815846
The ash shadows are the first thing I think about and I too am skeptical of their legitimacy which is why I didn't bring them up.

I simultaneously believe Nukes are real, and that it's possible the ash shadows are artificially maintained as a reminder.

I rescind my mention of radiation pockets, that was from from the nuclear plant meltdown in another city. The radiation from the fatman and little boy were cooked off and it allowed them to rebuild the city without issue.

As for
>how were they able to rebuild so quickly
is a unique case where Japan has always excelled at rapid housing and infrastructure development. They have frequent earthquakes and Tsunamis and so their houses are built with flexibility and abundant materials. They don't try to build thick sturdy homes hoping they outlast for decades. They build a home that will last until a category 8 earthquake shakes it apart so they can clean up and build another.
They were probably the best nation equipped to rebuild after a nuke.
Consider how Europe couldn't even rebuild after even minor bombs, and remember that the buildings were expensive stone works of art centuries old with techniques lost to time. Europeans were rebuilding using plaster and wallpaper facades.

You also had the economic miracle that restored Japan. So the argument that Nukes can't be real because Japan was able to rebuild too quickly doesn't hold up.
Even today, Japanese housing works different. Homes are legally only allowed to stand for 15 years before it's torn down and rebuilt. This makes it so housing isn't a long term investment for boomers to inflate and fuck over kids, and it allows architecture graduates to flex their skills with modern conventions. That's why Tokyo always looks so fucking new, and why Western infrastructure is outdated. We're stuck in a ponzi scheme holding up boomer investments for shitboxes that are too old and too expensive

>>508817192
>If nukes are fake then nuclear power is fake,

thats just false, there is a big leap from we can use enriched uranium to boil water very inefficiently vs we can create a runaway chain reaction by compressing uranium to double density with a neutron in the middle

desu i kind of wonder if nuclear power ISNT fake sometimes, because for instance they kept saying "AI is gonna require a bunch of nuclear power plants!" which begs the question if nuclear power is so good that the power demands of AI will necessitate its use why the fuck arent we using it for the majority of our power consumption needs? and dont give me crap about environmentalism or the dangers this is literally POWER we are talking about here supposedly cheap abundant POWER give me an actual break


the fact is right around the time the kikes were telling MASSIVE lies, and hollywood was truly coming into its own, we went to the moon, and invented a new doomsday weapon supposedly and a bunch of media came out explaining how this was gonna change all our lives, the atomic age, the space age, are basically decades of empty promises these technologies turned out all things being said and done to not have anywhere NEAR the impact they were supposed to, you could maybe argue satellites changed up tech but thats fucking it, we stopped going to the moon, we stopped even TESTING nukes (this is the biggest red flags if nukes existed countries would be using them or at least TESTING them constantly as a show of force) nuclear power was a dud, space exploration in general basically came to a screeching halt.
the majority of your post relies on the false assumption that if one is skeptical of nuclear bombs they must not believe radiation exists

>>508817528
Everyone was and still is taking stimulants. There's military grade combat enhancer drugs only available to US pilotes.
They were taking them on their flight into Iran because it required more than 12 straight hours of flying. This drug apparently can keep you locked in and awake for that time.

>>508817842
>I rescind my mention of radiation pockets, that was from from the nuclear plant meltdown in another city. The radiation from the fatman and little boy were cooked off and it allowed them to rebuild the city without issue.


this is your sign right here, you fully expected there to be radiation pockets in hiroshima because thats what all the propaganda and scifi made about nukes led you to believe both before and after bombs were dropped, there is NO increased radiation or radiation related illness they give you a just so explanation and you accept it. do you see what they made you do there?

>>508814834
>no scenario

Britain capitulates in June 1940, recognizing Vichy as the legitimate government of France. Italy does not attack Greece, Mussolini sits on his hands.
Japan gets its oil and rubber from collaboration governments in the Netherlands and French Indo-China.
Japan tells America to pound sand, continues war in China, calm and unruffled by American embargo. No Pearl Harbour.
Stain gets the Barbarossa early spring 1942.

Yea. That’s all bullshit. Germany was fucked by November 1940.

>>508812707 (OP)
it jammed often, under dirty and inexperienced conditions it was as good as lead boots in a stalingrad knife fight.

The m2 flamethrower, however...

>>508812707 (OP)
>time wasting question
>kike thinks we don't know he's hiding in cyprus

>>508812944
Yep. The whole squad was designed around supporting the machine gun.

>>508815147
remember the nazi death ray? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_gun

>>508812953
The world wars did permanent damage to Russian demographics and genetics, so higher casualties would have exacerbated that for future generations anyway.

Doesn't help Germany at all.

>>508813147
I think the big hinge point was after Dunkirk. That was the window of time, before they started bombing Britain to rubble, wheb they could have sat down and figured something out.

I know attempts were made... Churchill was a fucking hardcase and Hitler was riding so high he probably didn't see it as sensible to make any concessions. Anyways if they had come to some agreement with Bongs and Frogs then they would have been ok to invade Russia.

Then we have to assume the Japs still attack the US and let's say Germany doesn't declare war? The Russians have their hands full with the Germans. Its hard to say how it all plays out. The US definitely still wins in the Pacific.. but I dont know what would happen in Russia could go either way.

>>508813099
We had machine guns before then.

>>508818480
that crap with the hand crank?
>so convenient to carry around and use instantly

>>508817925
Nuclear power proves the existence of the criticality effect. Pile up enough fissionable material and you will notice that it begins melting and giving off a blue haze. Get a few nice chunks of fissionable material, say 90% u235 and a little tritium and some deuterium, slam them together in a vacuum at 500 m/s and you get a “prompt criticality”. Boom.

The only reason realtors don’t explode when you pull the control rods is the Neutron Delay effect.

Bombs are just engineered to overcome that with enrichment and clever assembly.

Nukes are real, uranium decay is real, neutrons are real. I’ve never understood why this is such a problem for some people.

>adolf would still lose the battle of britain
>adolf would still fuck up operation barbarossa because he was a retard
>adolf would still shoot himself in the head
Also infantry equipment doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Today, the US army could reintroduce the m1 garand as its standard issue rifle and it wouldn't really change much.

>>508818842
i spent MOST of my life believing nukes were real i understand the idea of how they work in theory but they are simply fake


if they were not fake the united states would have quickly installed itself as the rulers of the earth in the five year "golden period" where we were the only ones with the bomb if not for the natural avarice of man for fucking SELF PRESERVATION if you know anything about power you know this is true

about two three years ago i was exposed to the idea that maybe it was yet another ww2 kike lie, and i said to myself, well i know a way i can test it, if nukes were real and we dropped them on hiroshima there would be survivors of the blast who require government aid in japan because they are fucking BLIND to this day there would be a record of that i googled to see what the answer would be and pic rel is the result of that search query >>508815846


was my question not logical and in good faith? is the answer in that screenshot not completely insane?

>>508818424
>hard to say how it plays out
US at war with Japan but not Germany?
With no Sea Lion to knock Britain out of the war?

We would still ramp war production, but the Pacific War would still go slow while the Navy got built.
England would have to annex Ireland just to have room to build warehouses to keep the lend-lease out of the rain, and the Commies would be driving Shermans and not T-34s to Berlin and the Rhine.

>>508819502
>Early June 1940 the Germs sit down and come to some terms with the Bongs and French.
>Let's say the Germs leave most of France except for disputed pre WWI holdings which are restored to Germany.
>Bongs and French sign ceasefire with Germans.
>Germany declares war on Russia.

I think the war in the east potentially looks much much different if the Germans could devote all (or a large percentage) of their resources to it.

>>508812707 (OP)
Germany's biggest problem was lack of oil. By the end of the war half their air and tank power was grounded.
>>508819675
>Early June 1940 the Germs sit down and come to some terms with the Bongs and French.
The bongs (or more precisely the jews that ran the country) wanted Germany's destruction. That was never going to happen.

>>508812707 (OP)
Not much. The major error was rushing Tigers and Tiger 2s through development. Obviously there was an insane time crunch but if they had redirected half of those funds (a massive amount compared to previous models) to tried and true Sturmgeschutz and Pz4s and let the other half ride on trials with the Tiger 1s for a few months, I think it would've made a substantial impact, especially in the East.

>>508812707 (OP)
They run out of ammo by 41

>>508814834
t. no armorlogisticzdgjmm

>>508812707 (OP)
Probably would have done things a little bit quicker instead of having the whole squad support the machine gun. Might have taken Moscow and the simplified materials would be advantageous to the horrid supply situation.

>>508817842
Nice to see you two conversing as gentlemen. That being said

>the radiation for the two bombs were "cooked off"

Redpill me on this concept.

>>508818424
>Hitler didn't see it as sensible
See "an Appeal to Reason" and the massive pamphletting campaign that was laughed at by the bongs as they were allowed to pull out of Dunkirk in an undeserved show of respect.

>>508819115
>good faith
>answer in that screenshot

Good faith, absolutely. Things to think about.
The Hiroshima bomb was tiny, as far as these things go and a airburst for maximum Mach-Stem.
The airburst is why radiation levels went down so quick. The only particulate contamination was the bomb material itself, and that rained out the afternoon of the bombing. [The Black Rain]
Weather effects took care of the rest.

Not many people were looking at the weapon when it detonated, there wasn’t even an air raid alert.
Local authority thought the three planes were reconnaissance and meteorological. The explosion caught everyone by surprise. That’s where the shadows come from. Nobody was sheltering.
Also, the shadows are not really shadows. They are what happens when a human gets flashed into carbon by gamma rays and a 6000 degree thermal event then has that carbon, as hot as the surface of the sun, chemically bonded to whatever was behind him by the shockwave.

Yes, hot as the sun, for about one quarter of a millisecond.

>>508818669
What are the 34 and 42? The grandfather of all modern base of fire squad tactics?

You're a fucking shame to your flag.

>>508817842
>economic miracle
i would just call it window guidance

imagine if honest people printed our money and directed it to public works and bullet trains

everyone could have an economic miracle

fuck kikes

>>508820948
your flag is a shame by itself

>>508812707 (OP)
They still get ass raped, but now they have a different gun

>>508820923
ok so you just think the answer was correct

but consider that they initially answer "no count was made" so functionally "uhh we dont know" but the rest of the answer basically assumes a count was made and the number of blinded was zero and there is reason to suspect people should have been blinded

one question before we continue this conversation and its a simple yes or no

did the holocaust happen?

Not a pol thread

>>508817185
>Those were mostly used for paratroopers,

The paratroopers used the FG42. The MP44 was first issued to troops on the eastern front in limited numbers.

>>508812707 (OP)

would've invaded cyprus

>>508820923
>Also, the shadows are not really shadows. They are what happens when a human gets flashed into carbon by gamma rays and a 6000 degree thermal event then has that carbon, as hot as the surface of the sun, chemically bonded to whatever was behind him by the shock
that is a shadow

>>508812707 (OP)
Give them to the Japanese for some real shit to go down.

The AK-47 would be called the AK-42

>>508812707 (OP)
Nothing, it was the allied bomber raids that did the most damage, no factories equals no guns equals no war

I give them the blueprints and manufacturing details for the soviet MiG-15 and its components. It was THE ultimate bomber killer and the only reason north korea survived, designed from the ground up to counter strategic bombers like the B-29

>>508821373
thank god you're here

>>508812894
>>508815048
Only retards believe wartime bomber command propaganda. The strategic bombing campaign was mostly ineffective. Statistics for damage done were massively inflated and key industries couldn't be hit until after Germany was already beaten on the ground. Allies didn't have air superiority until 1945.

>>508812707 (OP)
EVERYTHING
The MP44 would have enabled infantry to fulfill their role as support troops perfectly. The largest barrier to the German advance wasn’t aircraft tanks or artillery, it was infantry that entrenched and had to be cleared out with sun machine guns and grenades. If the Germans could flip their rifles to semi/burst instead of requiring specialized jaeger battalions they could eliminate Russian infantry positions much faster and overwhelm them in Barbarossa.
It would also make Crete more successful to the point they might dare a drop on England.

>>508820923
>>508821513
actually what you are describing is even less believable than what i had assumed the explanation was that the thermal flash acting just as the sun would when creating a shadow burned a brighter impression of a person or objects outline into the stone behind it being partially obstructed by a person or what have you leaving a their distinct outline


you are suggesting that the intense heat made the carbon from the atoms of an old man walking with his cain blast perfectly into the cement or stone around them and the burning carbon retained the recognizable shape of the carbonized object?

i dont think thats even what the official explanation is, i hope it isnt because thats even more absurd by several orders of magnitude maybe im misunderstanding

>>508819675
>looks much different

Absolutely. But in the end Germany still goes down. I could easily see Germany on the A-A line in good order, with the commies still fighting from the Urals when Hiroshima, Nagasaki, and Osaka get bombs one, two, and three because of Pearl Harbour, then Truman approaches Hitler about how the rest of 1945 is going to go.

Honestly, though. The US Army had zero effect on the European Theatre until operation Husky. So the timeline would be the same up to the middle of 1943 without the USA as a belligerent.

>>508818424
What concessions anyway?
>stop conquering the world!
>stop killing everybody who is not blonde and blue-eyed!
He can't concede stuff he never had any goal to achieve?
Hitler wanted exactly three things only:
>jews to leave Germany or better yet all Europe
>acquire Lebensraum for German people in the east (basically just pooland)
>destroy communism
What's he supposed to concede? He literally had no other goals.
>make jews leave, annex pooland, kill commies
That is all.

>>508812707 (OP)
ppsh41 was better

>>508821743
Overextending slightly more into Russia isn't going to help anything.

>>508821898

which is why submachine guns with drum magazines have been the standard infantry armament ever since ww2

>>508821304
>did the holocaust happen?

As portrayed by history books, Hollywood, and the Diary of Anne Frank?

No.

>>508817076
>just like the fritz X took care of the British navy right?

Don't get me wrong it's dope as fuck just like most of your tanks, but how much time did they spend in the shop and how many panthers could you have made instead of the maus and carl Gustave program? Again very cool,but not responsible or practical in a way that only measured in total allied victory.

>>508821136
Agreed. That unfortunately doesn't make you any less of a retard.

>>508812707 (OP)
nothing?
artillery is the God of war, yes even today.