Why are conservatives like this? Why do they actively go against their own best interests?

>>508818762 (OP)
Because your begging money for daycare for your ratchet bebes kids

>>508818762 (OP)
mamdani's economic policy is flawed
also, i am not supporting trump, i think he is a retard

>>508818762 (OP)
>no cost
How are the childcare workers paid and the supplies purchased?

>>508818762 (OP)

who even is this guy? what's making the bots and shills go into overdrive?

>>508818762 (OP)
shouldnt the $30 min wage be enough of a livable wage to afford childcare?
why are certain costs still be subsidized?

>>508818762 (OP)
Big corporations have mind fucked boomers into believing this shit, then it was beaten into gen X, then gen X beats it into millennials and gen Z. True non-npcs don't believe in corpo ideas/media and im glad that millennials and gen Z are attempting breaking whatever corrupt system we have atm.

The worse of the worse is the diehard magas, blue haired always vote dem, or twitter do nothing socialist. It's just aura farming for most people to feel validated.

>>508818762 (OP)
As an actual socialist, people like this guy are like if someone shoved a feather duster up their ass and tried to say they were a chicken. No practical idea of how to do what they're promising, and only promising it padded with absolute fucking nonsense because it sounds good on social media. He is, by every measure, a disingenuous faggot. A typical politician. A con artist. A liar trying to slide into office by the mandate of the foolish.

>>508818975
if a dollar falls in your paycheck before you get to see it does it make a sound?

>>508819275
The other option was going to be Andrew Cuomo lmao, calm the fuck down

>>508819038
And? Trump said he was a peace president. How'd that turn out?

He's lying to the rats and going to use their money to form the fourth Reich

>>508819401
Yes. Just like, if I steal food from your garden before you can harvest it, it's still stealing

>>508818762 (OP)
Why did the artist make Vance so hot in this meme?

>>508819517
Cuomo would've been the better option here. This guy is an absolute sack of shit.

>>508819602
What war are we in? Where do we have troops deployed?

>>508818762 (OP)
fake and gay + strawman one pick
pay this shill a dime more niggerglow

>>508819645
40,000 surrounding Iran alone and picrel is the status quo from a few years ago. Yeah, troops nearly everywhere, you Eglin dumbass

>sss-sssssttoooop you d-dont understand you need to know that le musleeems are terrorists b-bb-because because they are!!
>besides if he helps his own countrymen HE IS A SOCIALIST COMMIE B-B-BECAUSE HE'S NOT SHOWING INTEREST IN ISRAEL!!!!! DON'T ASK MORE LE QUESTIONS!!!!!

how will israel ever recover

>>508819895
your parents watched you get your dick mutilated when you were a little boy, abdul

>>508819090
>who even is this guy?
It’s a Muslim trying to get the power in a non-Islamic country.

>>508819614
> Former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo sexually harassed 13 women who worked for the state over the course of an eight-year period, the Department of Justice announced Friday as part of a civil rights settlement with his successor.
> The agreement concluded the governor’s office under Cuomo violated federal Title VII rules against discrimination and retaliation between 2013 and 2021.
> Cuomo and his staff engaged in “a pattern or practice of discrimination against female employees based on sex” and found they retaliated against the women, Justice Department officials found.
> The justice department found Cuomo “repeatedly subjected” women in his office to non-consensual sexual contact, ogling and gender-based nicknames. Top Cuomo staff “were aware of the conduct and retaliated against four of the women he harassed,” the DOJ concluded.
> “The conduct in the Executive Chamber under the former governor, the state’s most powerful elected official, was especially egregious because of the stark power differential involved and the victims’ lack of avenues to report and redress harassment,” Kristen Clarke, the assistant attorney general in the agency’s civil rights division, said in a statement.

>>508820070
Cuomo raped a few women. The Indian is making a campaign promise to rape everyone in the state.

>>508820257
I think you're mistaken, vance's wife isn't running for office

>>508820466
you're never getting your foreskin back, abdul

>>508820580
i blame ronald reagan

>>508819953
Stay mad Jew lover

>>508818762 (OP)
>Love the shitskin who will let niggers commit crime and tax the fuck out of everyone

>>508819953
>you you're an abdul b-bb-because you hate kikes

I sure do, you enrage filthy street shitting mossadfag

Trump's tariff policies are shit. That doesn't mean communism is going to magically work.

>>508819251
It might make sense if there was actually a way of paying for it, but there isn't. NYC already runs deficits, and the economy is slowing nation wide. I would like to say you can't blame people for falling for it when they don't have experience with economics but the math involved could be solved by children with middle school or lower math knowledge.

>>508820070
Are you seriously trying to use sexual harassment as the reason why one candidate will be a better mayor on 4chan? Did you hone your arguments on reddit?

>>508821138
doesn't make him less of a sack of shit, it just makes you a sack of shit for not caring

>free shit for niggers at YOUR expense!
No thanks.

>>508821359
Oh man I really care what some anonymous retard cares about me, anonymous when said retard doesn't even understand the point being made. Saying "Cuomo abused women" says nothing about who would make a better administrator. For all we know Mamdani could be serious about reducing police funding and then more women get raped, and then chances are more women would be abused by randoms than Cuomo ever would have. You're too stupid to make an argument, so you just point to his wrongdoings as of that's all that needs to be said. You have the worldview of a child or someone who watches too many Marvel movies

>>508821441
This. What happened to /pol/? This was once the place of /NSG/ and now it's "if you don't love shitskins you're a kike"

>>508821707
And keep in mind I'm in no way endorsing Cuomo and I don't really give a shit who runs NYC. It's just your arguments are shit and people thinking Mamdani will be able to implement any of his ideas when the city runs a defecit is delusional

>>508819895
>>besides if he helps his own countrymen
Yeah, not US citizens

>>508818762 (OP)

We have $37 TRILLION in debt. A politician promising you utopia without an explanation of how to pay for it is just a lying charlatan and if you're dumb enough to fall for such a stupid lie then you shouldn't be voting.

>>508821707
personally, i don't trust the police officers not to do the raping, knowing what goes on at a typical officer's home.

>>508821746
>What happened to /pol/?
It’s flooded with Muslims.

>>508818762 (OP)
Conservatives suck off capitalists. MAGA thinks if they support their slave drivers one day the crumbs will fall to them. Conservatives are the biggest obstacle to revolution in America due to their bootlicking tendencies. They will be overcome though as conservatives are just reactionaries.

>>508818762 (OP)
>no cost
who is caring for/feeding the children? do they get left in an empty room and die?
>baby baskets
these are like $20 brand new, does this really require a subsidy on taxpayers?
>$30 wage
nice, paying $7,000/month for a studio apartment sounds like the bee's knees!

>>508818762 (OP)
>wants to defund the police
>wants to create an office of 2SLGBTQQIA+ affairs
>wants the tax payer to foot the bill for grocery store theft through city-run stores (lol combining this with defunded police)
The non-woke right just hate him because he isn't sucking off Israel though

>>508818762 (OP)
>Actually taking some Demoshit's platform at face value instead of evaluating how Demoshit's actually govern
Wow, guess we need to put back the IQ test for voting.

>>508822190
>an anecdote
Pathetic
>b but 40% of police hit they wives
Single study involving a small sample size in one city, maybe it was Boston

>>508820699
>>508820786
>>508820827
didn't read abdul, come talk to me when you get a real dick

>>508822383
Look around at the average leftist. You aren't going to do shit. If anything happens it will be because material conditions degrade to an extreme point, and even then most leftists will be culled by their own leaders after they gain power, as has happened before

>>508818762 (OP)
lack of competent democrat rhetoric
shame that deramged trumpist didn't shoot chuck shumer, cuomo, useless crybaby DNC chair ken martin or any other one of these cancerous, deadweight establishment faggots

>>508822814
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9365085/
> We identified 669 cases of police sexual violence from 2005 through 2012. Males were the perpetrator in all but six of these cases. The perpetrator was a patrol officer in the vast majority of cases (87.1%). The remainder of cases involved perpetrators who were police supervisors (9.1%) or managers (3.7%). Over one-third of the cases (34.5%) involved police with five or less years of experience on the job; however, close to 10 percent of the cases (9.2%) involved police with 18 years or more of experience. Most of the cases of police sexual violence involved police who were on-duty at the time of the offense (81.4% of the cases). We found that cases of police sexual violence are perpetrated by police employed within all types of law enforcement agencies including agencies considered to be quite small in terms of the number of sworn personnel, as well as police agencies serving the largest jurisdictions in the nation.

> Three distinct contexts of victimization were identified including: 1) driving while female, 2) child predation, and 3) the sex worker industry.

>>508818762 (OP)
>tax cuts bad
>tariffs bad
The rest is nonsense too. Like hands made this post. They’re mad there is no war.

>>508823098
So not even 100 cases a year, and this is for what, the whole country? NYC gets over 10000 reports of sexual assault and more than twice the amount of the figure you posted in rapes ANNUALLY. And anyways I don't know why you're trying to sidetrack on this issue other than you don't think you can make a good argument for why Mamadani would be the best choice for mayor other than "he says things I like"

>>508820257
>rape everyone

Equality Achieved
Let’s call it a day.

>>508823456
> No governmental entity collects aggregate level data on crimes committed by police officers. American police departments typically do not collect and distribute data on coercive police practices, much less crimes committed by police officers (Kane 2007).

> Readers should be aware of the primary limitations of these data. The data are limited to cases that involved an official arrest based on probable cause. We do not have data on police officers who engaged in police sexual violence in instances where they were not arrested, although we believe that this number may be significant. Also, these data result from a filtering process that includes the exercise of discretion by media sources. Our data are limited by the content and quality of information provided for each case by available news reports and/or court records. The amount of information available on each case varied, and data for some variables were missing for some of the cases. This limitation comes into play, for example, in cases where news sources report a criminal conviction absent any information on whether the officer was also terminated or suspended by the police agency.

>>508823828
>another shitty point
Cool man I'm sure sexual harassment and rape go underreported so it still stands that police are not as much of a threat to women as all other people. You must be a teenager or early 20s and have little exposure to arguing with people. And it still stands that "this guy abused women" is not an argument for why someone else will be better at a given job

>>508818762 (OP)
>brazil
lmao literal shitskin thinks he has a brain

>>508819401
Your cartoon is much more apt for what capitalism does to already wealthy socialist countries, The USSR lifted 150 million people out of serfdom and poverty, built them roads, hospitals, schools and free housing for all, it built them from nothing to a world superpower who could compete with the USA and keep it in check. Then when Capitalism was forrced on the soviet nations after the fall it collapsed living standards, gave their state owned industries away to private capital which hollowed them out and it took most of those countries 20 years to return to the standards of living they enjoyed under socialism. Some like Ukraine, have never returned to their per person USSR levels of wealth.

China has also shown this last 30 years how socialism mixed with free markets can lift 1 billion people out of poverty and it wouldn't have been possible without the socialist part of the equation. If a non developed country moves straight to liberal laisse faire capitalism too early they end up like African nations, exploited and corrupted by global capital. Every nation in the modern era that developed to high living standards done so using socialism and command economies before switching to a more free market model: Japan, Taiwan and Korea post WW2 were dictatorships using command economies and sate owned industries, even USA post WW2 under FDR's new deal was essentially a command economy. Western Europe and Germany post WW2 as well were heavily socialist systems.

The more you actually read about history the more you realise that socialism and command economies build a nation and capitalist destroys it with corruption and the ever growing concentration of wealth flowing into ever fewer hands.

>>508824436
>after the fall
And why did it fall you retarded tankie

>>508824177
it is, however, a great argument for why he should not be allowed near an official office ever again

>>508825031
No, it's a reason why people would vote for an unknown over him. If the unknown does a terrible job then it wasn't a good enough reason

>>508824436
>wealthy socialist countries

>>508825805
maybe, if the entire voting populace had clairvoyance. i don't see the point in trying to change the narrative a posteriori like that though. We only have the information we have now, which is that mamdani is not a known sex pest, has promised change, and mogged cuomo in the primary.

>>508826407
>promised change
Relatively speaking he's promising more than Obama did with even worse circumstances
The reality is probably very little will change, but this is democracy and the people are retarded enough to believe in promises without looking at basic figures related to accounting. The most he can do is shuffle money around and make policies that have no cost, like getting rid of testing in the nice schools or doing rent control. Which will just fail like it has everywhere else

>>508818762 (OP)
Because they want to stand for something SO badly but lack heart. They really don't get that life is no supposed to be fair. They say if you stand for nothing you will fall for anything so they just with whichever way the wind blows at the second since they have something to prove.

>>508826638
I don't disagree that this is a real liability, but I think it's nice to at least have a guy who seems to have honest intentions and a meaningful platform you can try and hold him to. The feasibility remains to be proven, but that comes after he takes office.

>>508827290
It's simply not feasible unless they can get more money from the state. The city runs a deficit and has limited ways of raising revenues, and that's without considering how raising revenues will affect the city in other ways. The global economy is declining, which means at some point in the near future there's going to be a decrease in tax revenues.

>>508824717
sclerotic political system, which has nothing to do with economics.

reminds me of another country, actually. it even has a similar name. US... R? USA? i don't know.

>>508827599
You mean the one that has become increasingly centralized over the last half century, WOAH

>>508827827
lmao no. american politics is hilariously decentralised that's half the reason you have the problems that you do.

america has an entire separate police department for each CITY. you people are so fucking retarded. you live in filth and die like flies and you fucking deserve it.

anyway, whatever. not my monkeys not my circus.

>>508824717
Cause USA destabilised nearly every country on it's border and got them caught up in a long, drawn out unwinnable war in Afghanistan where US supplied the Mujahideen with endless weapons. Same tactic they've tried to use on Russia in Ukraine with less success. The USSR didn't even need to "collapse" at that time, it was The Naive Gorbachev and drunken corrupt puppet Yeltsin who dissolved the union when problems could easily have been easily rectified with lesser reform.

>>508828258
Holy fuck imagine confusing small aspects of federalism for how large and powerful the federal has become
>>508828601
>um its not their fault because they did things the USSR was also doing but better
>and actually it wasn't a real collapse
Tankies are fucking retards

the left had their chance and they decided to go all in on anti-white racism, troons and illegals
kinda your fault
hopefully in the end we can all realize there is no political solution

>>508828861
>Holy fuck imagine confusing small aspects of federalism for how large and powerful the federal has become
the federal EXECUTIVE has become large and powerful in the context of the federal system, but the federal government in america is toothless as fuck. can't even enforce national healthcare policy, it has to beg and barter with each individual state. it's fucking retarded.

i thought our GST negotiations were bad, but US government is pants on head idiocy. it's no wonder you failed to govern in iraq and afghanistan, you can't even govern yourself.

you're ignorant though and have no idea how the rest of the world does things so you will continue to complain about a problem that you have zero perspective on and, consequently, are entirely wrong about.

there's no point talking to me about this because i have already dismissed you as a human being, let alone an interlocutor, but by all means you may continue. i may even continue to reply.

>>508828861
Federal government has become*

>>508818762 (OP)
They don't have thoughts or opinions. They just get told what their opinions are.

>>508829086
No, you're being retarded. The government has grown and centralized power. We have federalism and so some aspects of spending are delegated to states themselves through various means like grants. But to argue that the federal government, or that government in general hasn't been growing in influence over the overall economy (which is the whole point of contention here) is just retarded, like you should not have children levels of retarded. Government is involved in most aspects of business and often does pick the winners. It's great evidence that centralism eventually fails despite all the benefits it can bring

>>508829377
>But to argue that the federal government, or that government in general hasn't been growing in influence over the overall economy (which is the whole point of contention here) is just retarded
oh look, something we can track with measurable objective data. and oh my, look at that, you're fucking wrong, things have barely changed since the 1950s.

did you know that the US federal government has the same number of employees today as it did in like 1970? federal employment hasn't grown in almost 50 years.

the big bad federal government is a lie, one that you have been sold so that you will support continuing to chip away at the only thing standing between you and neo-feudalism. and you are complicit in this, and so you deserve the results.

>>508818762 (OP)
Low IQ, seriously just look at the cuckservative faggots on here, easily the stupidest group of idiots on /pol/. Even the cross dressing perverted dipshits are leagues smarter than cuckservatives and those faggots don’t even exist in reality kek.

>>508829630
>provides one outdated chart
>doesn't realize it shows a positive trend when taking world wars out of the equation
>chart says nothing about debt to gdp, regulation, WHERE spending is allocated, or what kind of subsidies have been provided to what sectors
Fucking midwit cunt

>>508830426
one chart beats zero charts, faggot.

by all means, attempt to debate me on the merits. you will lose. because i, unlike you, actually know the facts on this question. all you have are feelings and vibes.

since you asked, here's a second chart. you will now scream and cry and shit your pants about the "upwards trend" that reveals a THREE PERCENTAGE POINT INCREASE since 1975, a year when you weren't even fucking born yet. this is how unserious you are.

the point here is not that the line doesn't go up. it does, of course, go up. the point here is that it goes up by three percent over 55 years and you think that THIS is the smoking gun evidence of the federal government assuming direct control - direct rule for washington. the point here is that you are so transparently cherrypicking evidence to support your pre-determined conclusions. this is why i dismiss you as a human being. there is no rational engagement here. there isn't even understanding. there is just an ideological commitment to regurgitated rhetoric about good and evil where numbers are just props. you should be ground up into paste and sprayed on crop fields.

Imagine having only two options

>>508830733
>and you think that THIS is the smoking gun evidence of the federal government assuming direct control
why would you think that when I just spoke to all the things that your outdated chart didn't measure? please explain to me the reason you think that, when I just told you otherwise, because I really can't imagine a reasonable explanation.

>>508818762 (OP)
How is more crime and more shitskins in my own best interests?

>>508824436
You fucking moron. Actual fucking clown. Both of your examples used what was effectively slavery of the entire populace by the state. The new deal was a disaster as well. It delayed recovery by a decade or more. What the fuck are they teaching libshits these days.

>>508831063
>why would you think that when I just spoke to all the things that your outdated chart didn't measure?
because i perceive you as a fundamentally ignorant and unintelligent person who is just repeating pre-programmed arguments with no critical thought. i perceive you as this because any kind of serious critical examination of us governance reveals that by global standards it is highly dysfunctional, sclerotic, and decentralised. obamacare and medicaid expansion being a clear example of this. it's not even about whether obamacare is good or not, it's about the fact that the federal government can't even compel national compliance with basic health policy and a decade later the US still has uneven medicaid expansion. your absolute parochialism could not be more clear, because you have no understanding of how... "unique" this is compared to other highly developed countries.

anyway, i digress.

as for "all the things" that my chart doesn't mention, you have not established that i should give a shit about them. of course i can make arguments for you as to why i should, obviously, but why would i do that? you just throw out a word like "debt to GDP" and expect me to agree that hmm, yes, clearly this is very important to the debate.

take regulations, for example. the US government can make as many regulations as it likes but if federal employment is falling since 1970 how exactly are they enforcing them? your slam-dunk arguments have obvious counterarguments that you clearly haven't thought of. in essence you are asking me to debate with myself - to take the random words you throw out, build them into steelman arguments for you, and then counter them. and of course this is necessary, because as i said you are not capable of having this conversation, but if i wanted to play with myself i'd just go jerk off.

next question?

>>508831561
>you have not established that i should give a shit about them
you don't think debt/ gdp, federal regulation, subsidies (many of which have gone to largest entities that you're afraid are going to implement neofeudalism), incentives for various industries (many of which go to large entitities), or how the government has enacted policies to keep asset prices matter? none of those things matter, it's only outlays to gdp? like we're just going to ignore how many of the richest people in the world became that way through funding or subsidies from the federal government. we're going to ignore how housing prices and the stock market are propped up by the government and the quasi governmental federal reserve.

I think those things do matter to you, they know they're important. but you're just being disingenuous now because you know that including them in the discussion makes your argument weaker.

so I don't have anything more to say than I feel like I'm debasing myself by continuing this discussion, because you're either a major idiot or someone who will just lie and play games to try and protect his weak argument (that government has not grown in influence over the economy over the last 50 years, despite all of the overwhelming evidence supporting the idea) and that my time would be better spent in any kind of productive activity

>>508831561
>but if i wanted to play with myself i'd just go jerk off
that's effectively what you did when you asserted that outlays to gdp were the only important metric, and then ignored the other areas I argued were important metrics. and not only did you ignore them, you asserted it was my position (the smoking gun line). and then you have the nerve to pretend that I'm not a human or that I can't have this conversation. the fact is I'm not debating your position here, I'm debating your personality disorder. you can feel like you've won, that's fine

>>508832058
>you don't think debt/ gdp, federal regulation, subsidies (many of which have gone to largest entities that you're afraid are going to implement neofeudalism), incentives for various industries (many of which go to large entitities), or how the government has enacted policies to keep asset prices matter?
what i think doesn't matter, anon. you're the one making the argument. right?

you're so fucking convinced that all these buzzwords you throw out matter, and not just that they matter but that the empirical data must surely back you up on these points as well, and yet you are yet to offer even so much as a single outdated chart. surely you have the evidence to hand? surely you're not just inventing and backfilling post-hoc rationalisations for your pre-conceived beliefs? you must have looked at the charts first and THEN formed your opinions, so why don't you show me the charts that you looked at?

>I think those things do matter to you, they know they're important. but you're just being disingenuous now because you know that including them in the discussion makes your argument weaker.
correct. you have a sliver of a point in that, for example, things like the EPA exist today when they didn't in the 1970s. however, this changes nothing, because the rest of the world is not static. compared to other highly developed western countries US regulatory agencies are toothless, ineffective, and decentralised. comparing US government in 2025 to US government in 1975 reveals some changes, but US government in 2025 to comparable 2025 governments versus US government in 1975 to comparable governments in 1975 does not. this is a nuanced point: government cannot stay the same in a changing environment. but US government is still too decentralised to meet the challenges of the era, in the same way and to the same degree as it was 50 years ago. post continues.

>>508818762 (OP)
>that pic

shills are getting lazy

These coordinated leftypol raids are transparent as fuck.

Why is it always exactly 2 posters? Just one would honestly appear more grassroots.

>>508832396
>>508832058
cont.

this is not a concession. for example, the existence of obamacare is itself an inherently centralising thing, and yet its execution is decentralised. on a narrow technical point you could argue that therefore i concede that the us government is more centralised. i don't. the failure of obamacare only reveals that the US remains decentralised - too decentralised for effective governance. your argument was that the US scleroticism and dysfunction are due to centralisation - this is obviously wrong. compared to other comparable countries the US is highly decentralised and yet still far more dysfunctional. furthermore, you do not establish any kind of causal link to centralisation and dysfunction. there is an implicit link - that a dysfunctional central government is more damaging due to its increased control - but again why should i make your argument for you even before you have even established that the us government is centralised?

now, why avoid this point? why obliterate all this nuance, like you accuse me of doing?

the answer is simple: i didn't want to do all this typing, and i don't trust you to respond adequately to nuance. i adopted a maximalist position that obliterated nuance as a defence against incompetence and laziness. even now you remain lazy. your "arguments" boil down to "don't you think...?" and other such lazy appeals to an assumed shared understanding. you cannot establish anything that you believe as fact. why would i offer nuance and understanding to someone who doesn't even know how to do basic debate, let alone complex debate. i have been, of course, proven correct in that assessment of you. but i realise now at the end of my time here that i don't care. as i said earlier, not my monkeys not my circus. you are like a dog in barbed wire, too stupid to accept help. you're an animal, and you deserve to die like one.

i look forward to your pithy one-liner where you quote me out of context and declare victory.

>>508833009
are you a destiny fan?

>>508832320
>the fact is I'm not debating your position here
believe me, that much is obvious lol

>>508818762 (OP)
Honestly. Trump should be TERRIFIED.

I was over at my dads house today helping with some household chores. He lives in a very rural area of a very red state. At the end of the work we went to one of the nearby country bars. It’s the kind of place that farmers, truckers, legit cowboy boot wearers and the working class go to unwind with a cold one.

President Trump was on the TV and the local construction company owner said to his auto mechanic (friends since high school),

“You know what? This is so bad. The economy is collapsing, everyone’s rioting, and we’re causing chaos on the world stage again. I have a construction company and not a f*cking things is getting done. Nothing but White boys. Takes 4 days to do a 1 day job. Can’t believe I’m saying this but I regret my vote for the Bad Orange Man last year.”

I looked around and all I saw were heads nodding in agreement. I heard a few calls of “Yes sir” and “Damn Straight” from the men around me. Even saw the lonely ball cap wearing illegal employing farmer in the corner raise his drink with a nod.

>>508833274
who?

>>508833354
that's a clever reply but you're ignoring the substance of what I was saying. the fact is you asserted something was the metric for determining government influence and tried to pass it off as mine. when I presented other metrics, you said that I hadn't done anything to argue why you should care about them, when you yourself never argued why I should care about the metric you presented and tried to pass off as my own. you say something about " assumed shared understanding". was I wrong? There's no point to arguing with someone who strawmans, is uncharitable when it hurts them, and a hypocrite. you know something of debate, sure, but the value of that unravels when I just point to how disingenuous you are. I'm serious, there's no point to debating you because you have a personality disorder

>>508819823
That map is total bullshit btw. There isn’t a single US base left in Panama since 1999.

>>508833388
I'll take that a yes, doesn't surprise me one bit

>>508833595
>you're ignoring the substance of what I was saying
refer to: >>508832396

>what i think doesn't matter, anon. you're the one making the argument. right?

i have always addressed the 'substance' of your posts as the priority. it's not my fault the substance is incredibly thin. i am BEGGING you to MAKE AN ARGUMENT and you continually refuse. what else is left for me to do other than lmao?

>was I wrong?
yes lol.

>>508833664
>doesn't surprise me one bit
things rarely do when you make them up yourself lol

>>508833777
>you think that THIS is the smoking gun evidence of the federal government assuming direct control
you can't admit you strawmanned me, why would I was my time arguing with you? you're dishonest, and instead of admitting or pretending it was a mistake you accuse me of things you do yourself
in your stupidity you've even made statements I could use to strengthen my own argument. you're really a dumb shit
>yes lol.
I'm sure Elon and Bezos are glad you believe they made their money fair and square without any help from the government

>>508833838
what, like you saying that I thought outlays to gdp were a smoking gun when I never mentioned them?

>>508834135
>you can't admit you strawmanned me
i'd call it steelmanning but sure, you feel hard done by, i acknowledge that.

this is the part where you show me how invincible and superior your actual non-strawmanned arguments are, right? with at least three non-outdated charts?

>in your stupidity you've even made statements I could use to strengthen my own argument\
bro i've been steelmanning you this entire thread.

>>508818762 (OP)
> flag
How is your CHUVA DE PICANHA going?
Commies deserve the rope

For those of you who aren't well versed with hue politics, pic related promised poorfags everybody was going to eat prime beef for cheap, and then after he gets elected he is saying that 2 eggs and rice are better than beef anyways

>>508834174
i apologise anon, i should have let you bring up government outlays as a percentage of GDP on your own. i'm sure you would have got to them eventually, after getting through all the other reams of empirical data you no doubt have saved up to wow me with.

>>508818762 (OP)
Mouth breathing retards screeching about NYC libcuck oligarchs that'd see them all gassed.

>>508818762 (OP)
>>508818762 (OP)
>>508818762 (OP)
>> BRAZIL
>> WEIMERICA

UHH OHH ANONS... DIOSMIOPORQUE

Leftoids are trying to paint all trump supporters/conservatives as angry that that Zohra won over Cuomo. We are just laughing at how fucked NYC is, why would you care if you don't live there.

>>508818762 (OP)
>no cost childcare
You pay for it in taxes/inflation.
>baby baskets no newborns
You pay for it in taxes/inflation.
>$30 minimum wage
How about sound money instead?

>>508833009
>your argument was that the US scleroticism and dysfunction are due to centralisation - this is obviously wrong.
No, my argument is that centralized governments with significant influence over the economy cause distortions that ultimately destroy or hamper their economies.
>compared to other comparable countries the US is highly decentralised and yet still far more dysfunctional.
by what measures?
here>>508832396 you say
>compared to other highly developed western countries US regulatory agencies are toothless, ineffective, and decentralised.
but most of those countries have worse economies than the US
>>508834257
>with at least three non-outdated charts?
for debt to gdp, see FRED https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GFDEGDQ188S
for subsidies see https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent-totals
and https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/B096RC1Q027SBEA
there's no simple charts for how government works to keep asset prices elevated, do you not agree with this idea? or perhaps you think it's a good thing?

Oh what's this?
https://resources.fenergo.com/newsroom/fenergo-study-regulatory-penalties-in-north-america-account-for-95-of-global-financial-penalties-in-2024

it's also worth considering how programs like FHA distort housing prices. first just the existence of the program helps extend credit to people that would normally not be considered credit worthy. then you have the aspect of the government backing all of these loans. then you have the aspect of the government buying the MBS that they're packaged into (or in the case of the fed, buying them through the special purpose vehicle created during COVID. and then you have aspects like https://www.wsj.com/opinion/bidens-mortgage-relief-fuels-higher-housing-prices-policy-loans-risk

where'd he go?