Americans won't work...
We need immigrants.

>>508821842 (OP)
>increase pay
>problem solved

>>508821961
Food prices go up

>no source, argument, or context

>>508821961
Kill the dollar,
Problems solved.

>>508822428
Fucking stupid. You probably believe it.

What a compelling source, OP.

>>508821842 (OP)
Uh, fellow immigrant haters, why aren't we in the fields?

>>508821842 (OP)
Oh no not having to modernize to less labor intensive machinery like most have already done. The horror!

>>508821961
Reported for antisemitism

>>508821842 (OP)
the government should subsidize a living wage for all workers

>>508822051
Unemployment goes down.

>>508822051
Oh well, then, by all means, turn America into a third world brown town. God forbid I should have to pay an extra 5¢ per tomato.

>>508822883
11 whole dollars an hour? I can't work for that wage. We should get some brown people to use as slave labor. Those people are built to work hard, long hours in the blistering heat.
>t. Your friendly neighborhood democrat

>>508821842 (OP)
I read OPs link. Turns out they are talking about Farmers on repatriated land in South Africa.

>>508822051
You're right, we can never, ever raise wages ever again, we've reached perfect economic equilibrium, people are paid exactly what they deserve and goods cost the perfect amount.

Fucking stupid brown Indian.

>>508821842 (OP)
KEK.
HEY MAGAS, GET YOUR ASSES TO WORK! YOU VOTED FOR IT!

FARMERS... You should pay people better wages. Greedy fucks. You deserve to go belly-up.

>>508821842 (OP)
Legal spics dont do these jobs

>>508821842 (OP)
>Americans are lazy AF.
In other news water is wet
>film at 11

>>508821842 (OP)
Whites have never been able to farm in the climate of the Americas which is basically subtropical African tier climate. They tried to bring in Irish and other garbage tier whites to work the fields and they literally were dying. Black African slaves were brought in because they could handle the work. Later, farms pivoted to swarthy short brown Hispanics in big hats.
Whites simply can't work a field in June in North America, not even up North. Those farms are just fat guys driving air conditioned GPS guided tractors around giant fields. There is 0 manual labor on the wheat and corn and basedbean farms.

>>508821842 (OP)
>Americans won't work...
>We need slaves
SAID EVERY DEMOCRAT EVER

>>508821842 (OP)
>We need immigrants.
we need to end welfare, then americans will work.

>>508822883
9 to 10 hours in a summer field in Louisiana will literally kill white people after a few days or a week tops.

>>508821842 (OP)
Farmers are among the wealthiest people in the nation. They can easily pay more. They want slave labor instead.

>>508821842 (OP)
Americans have a choice:
>Get $3,000 a month in welfare and do whatever you want for 8 hours a day.
>Get $1,500 a month in wages and pick produce in the hot sun for 8 hours a day.

Welfare depletes our workforce and forces us to import labor.

>>508822051
No they don't.

If you were to pay workers $15 bucks per hour, food prices would go up 3%. Meanwhile, food costs due to inflation have been 12% so far since the coof.

>>508822883
>11 dollars
You just know they were paying the illegals 8 and think this is them being angels.
Fucking greedy kikes and shabbos goyim

>>508821842 (OP)
The other factor here is that perhaps a lot of these crops simply shouldn't be grown. Crops that can't be automated might have to be niche. We Americans are spoiled.
The farmers can grow something else that can be automated if they can't find labor.

>>508821842 (OP)
>picture
>words
anons respond emotionally for 300 posts.


You faggots are fucked.

>>508822051
Oh no! How ever will I get my corn syrup laden goyslop now!

>>508821842 (OP)
The employer's are liars. They want the illegal aliens to undercut labor costs and keep the profits. Don't believe their lies.

>>508822883
$30 an hour and I’ll work all day. Either that or you can pick them yourself. This is called competition, better get used to it. farmtards

>>508823406
It's called fibromyalgia and water is not wet, water makes things wet.

>>508821961
Spotted the nigger who never worked an honest blue collar job. You wouldn't last two weeks in my plant with near 100% humidity and temps outside in the kiln area of 105F, not even for 30hr which is what were payed. Still every 2 mos we get ne hires because they dont last. Only ones that make it is old school white men who have been year for 20 years or mexicans.
But the truth is you guys dont want truth or perspectives, you all just want a dopamine rush by doubling down on whatever you want to be true

>>508821842 (OP)
how did we go from Sweden and Norway are shining examples of civilization to minimum wage has to be low or food costs too much?

>>508824205
k boomnigger. you will have to pay more or go out of business. adapt or die.

>>508822051
That's right, we must never, ever, raise wages or else prices will go up!

Never mind that inflation causes the price of everything to increases constantly over time anyway, or that the cost of various goods and services have vastly outpaced inflation to satisfy shareholder greed.

Also that studies have shown that increasing pay has little impact on prices.

>>508823842
they lie about everything. they say no qualified american workers to increase work visas and h1bs they say american workers quit to get illegals. the problem is actually the companies and managers hiring immigrants

>>508822051
Fuck off communist. Actually burn in hell with you communist "the coast of production determines the coast of consumption" BS.

>>508822051
Oh no, people with money pay more for goods until a price equilibrium is reached!
Let's just have disconnected price fixing government policies instead!
Fag. Let the market work it out.

Gad dangit I just can't find good slaves these days

>>508821842 (OP)
The modern farmer is a just a wealthy plantation taskmaster grateful for the revolving door they publically complain about. You go there, they work you to death if you're dumb enough to actually do the absurd shit they ask of you to the letter, eventually you wise up and quit and they just take the next in line. Then they collect their half a million in tax credits as a 'job creator.' This is every manual labor job in the US currently. God help you if you can't operate machinery or have a criminal record.

>>508822051
Good. Maybe we'll stop eating so much

>>508822051
I would pay 5 times more for food if they kicked all the illegals out

>>508822883
A Walmart warehouse nearby Loranger pays double for their hard labor job, and it's inside an air-conditioned building. What's also telling is that these blueberry farms can easily buy a used blueberry picking machine for the same cost of as the f-250 platinum truck they buy every two years like an iphone.

Just enslave niggers again

>>508821842 (OP)
The documented immigrants wouldn’t do the work either, but if you stop immigrants the farmers will have no choice but to pay more and prices at the store will reflect it. The issue has never been Americans won’t do a job, the issue is without illegal labor prices go up, but that would be too dangerously close to talking about economics to be allowed.

>>508824205
$30 clearly isn't enough to do the job you're describing, I almost make that doing a pretty easy job in air conditioning with no postsecondary degree. People who kill themselves like that for less than like $50 are simply idiots or desperate. Normal people need more money than that for such a shit job, deal with it, you aren't cool for underselling yourself you're just a fucking idiot.

>>508822785
The dollar is literally incentivizing suppress wages and importing workers you dumbshit, this is what happens when you have a government that isn’t fiscally responsible and you’re a reserve currency. Centralized banking is what drives immigration post 1930.


You are retarded, simple as.
A Mexican is willing to work twice as hard for barely livable wages because he’s not going to pay the exit tax and take the money out of the country, convert it to his own and build 3 houses and 50 acres of land because of the currency disparity. That is what’s causing immigrants to come here and the CEO’s love it because you can suppress wages by flooding the employment pool. They then use D&C racism arguements to shame you away from critiquing it.

Unions used to protest against this, all the jacks and leaders have been bought. Courtesy of boomers refusing to have kids.

>>508821842 (OP)
use more machinery

>>508821842 (OP)
I live around farmland. The ranchers here are having no issues finding American workers. This looks fake/

>>508825078
NO YOU CANT USE THE DISCBINE YOU HAVE TO USE THE SCYTHE

In Australia farmers only want to hire people who aren't local so that they need to stay in the farmer provided lodgings and take the fees for their accommodation from their pay
They also love getting thirdie women that they can have sex with
Another reason why they're so unwilling to hire Australians is because they're sensitive about the conditions of work and accommodation and don't want the great deal they have to be exposed
Is it the same in America?

>>508823857
It's a low skill minimum wage job. You literally just pick berries. Nothing to it. It's meant for people like you with no skills.

>>508825078
>>508824205

i did stonework in the yards of houses in my father´s small business once for 30 minutes.
one of those stones slipped as it was slightly rainy and stone was slightly slippery as a result, hurting my finger, it wasnt serious, just hurt.
then i never did that work ever again.

>>508825078
Makes sense. They do actual work. Not just pull a berry off of a plant and place it in a pail. They need forklift certifications and such.

>>508825816
Yes, American farmers have been historically and are cunts, politically speaking

Foods that require minimal human labor, and can constitute a balanced diet:

Peanuts
Carrots
Beets
Potatoes
Tofu and other products
Cranberries
Legumes (chickpeas, beans,etc)
Sweet Corn grown in northern states such as Wisconsin, New York

Frozen chopped spinach and other greens (can be crudely harvested and chopped exclusively with machines)

All staple grains (Rice, Wheat, etc)
Oats

Onions
Process grade Tomato products (crushed, stewed whole, paste, etc)

Cabbage Controversy: Machines for cabbage harvesting exist in Europe, but have not been scaled into the American ag structure.

On meat: Young to middle aged men and menstruating females should probably consume meat in low quantities. Under the current bourgeois food delivery infrastructure, human hands are going to be used for choice cuts of meat. Only buy whole birds and chicken pate (pink slime) when you want to cook with chicken. Under a correct (economically efficient) system, these would be the only available items. Yes, Hot Dogs.

Fish: Imitation crab meat (Pacific Whiting pate) is a highly mechanized production system, much of which is done off the coast in the Pacific NW.

Canned Tuna: Will always need some humans, but filleting tech is improving steadily.

Engage with this system, but think of it as a guideline.


Iron absorption on a mostly vegetarian diet: Up to one hour after consuming non-heme Iron (plant based Iron) consume 50-100% Vitamin C DV. Synthetically made Ascorbic Acid (Reichstein Process) … drastically increases absorption of non-heme Iron.

Avoid Coffee with meals, decreases Iron absorption.

Also, Dairy is mostly good. There are some operations that use hispanics, but it is not ubiquitous.

Hook machine to cow tit, cow tit machine go brrrrrrrr, send raw product to other man with other machines, send finished product to store, buy. Also, brown people cant digest dairy.

>>508826231
That's not a forklift job, that's stacking/unstacking boxes in a trailer and on pallets.

>>508821842 (OP)
Pay me enough and I’ll do anything. Idgaf how much corn ends up costing if I am printing.

>>508825078
Why can't the government force through jail sentences for those who hire illegals whilst giving farmers generous loans to purchase harvesting machines?
You could hire and train a local worker to run these machines and not need to hire illegals
It seems like a no-brainer for the Republicans

>>508822051
>less fat people
>more employed people
Woah what a tragedy

>>508826652
You don’t need delicate produce to live. Your body cannot tell the difference between synthetic Ascorbic Acid and an Orange. Likewise, it can not tell the difference between fiber from a bean and fiber from a strawberry.

>>508823648
>paying illegals 8
Maybe 5 lol

There’s also just imports. If we only consumed imported delicates, that wouldn’t be terrible for the economy, and would probably be better for the culture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0B6b9cQBxk

Humanity is close to figuring it out.

not the heckin blueberries

>>508824205
>what were payed.
Fucking illiterate.

>>508821842 (OP)
Well yeah you can't blackmail American workers that you'll report them to ICE if they don't pick that fruit faster. Comparing workers to hostages here.

>>508824205
/pol/ is strictly for people under 65.

>>508822051
But that's already happening no matter how much cheap farm labour we have...

you got billion dollar companies building all sorts of weapons to kill people thousands of miles away but where are the robots that pickup fruits ? oh yeah it's much better to import slaves to do that while destroying the country in the process

>>508823549
I take home ~$5000 a month listening to cum town and driving around a kenworth. Its okay
>>508825286
Factories suck dick but for a lot of people its better than an office. Make sure not to offend the fat women and faggots you have to talk about their dogs with every day, faggot.

>>508822051
>Food prices go up
How does that work considering these farmers are subsidized by the government so that very thing does not happen?

>>508822883
You can't even live off of $11 an hour let alone physical labor where you are bending and lifting constantly. Also physical labor in the summer heat in Louisiana no benefits either, yeah definitely not worth $11 an hour.

>>508822051
Oh no... the country with the highest rate of obesity in the world pays more for food. What will become of us?

>>508827427
I sincerely believe you could win a local election with that attitude.

>>508822051
Why did food prices skyrocket when America was flooded with spic labor?

>>508827593
Think how high those prices would be without those Mexicans who came goy.

>>508822051
>prices go up
>wages go up
>prices don't matter as people can now afford them

>>508827593
Go away

>>508822051
shitposting is a bannable offense.

>>508821842 (OP)
increase pay, problem solved.
since we aren't exporting anymore due to tariffs it would be exceptionally jewish for them to need to raise food prices.

kill all canadians

>>508821961
Yeah. Know a farm down the road where the guy has an ad for a farmhand and all he's offering is room and board, no pay.
I'm not even sure food is included actually, he might seriously expect someone to work 40 hours a week with no pay just to sleep in his house and feed themselves off imaginary savings.

>>508827673

Kys

>>508824205
>pay like shit
>everyone quits
>HOW DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING?!

You also seem like an asshole to work for. Boomer business owners like you can't die soon enough.

>>508821842 (OP)
If you pay shit wages you're gonna get shit workers.

>>508827673
Self deport, Paco.

>>508821842 (OP)
Didnt ford have this problem where like 80% of the people at his factories quit in a month? How did he fix it?

>>508826231
>believing in forklift certifications
To become a certified loader operator at our plants Billy gives you a sticker that says "certified loader operator" for your hard hat. We work for a massive multinational conglomerate.

>>508822883
$11/hr is ~50% higher than minimum wage in LA

>>508821961
FREE MEN DO NOT WORK FOR SLAVE WAGES.

>>508824383
Profit sharing is an obvious solution, but watch how much boomer seethe you find from anyone but owners getting money

>>508827716
Maybe he lets them grow their own food

Was Hayek too right when he said messing with the economy is the road to serfdom?

>>508821842 (OP)
Doesn't ICE only deport criminals?
So they also admit that they were hiring criminals?
>>508822989
He will do this for pajeets. Not for you. You have seen this story repeated multiple times after putting a pajeet in a position with some power.

>>508821842 (OP)
>without helots, sparta won't survive

>>508827469
I'm a butcher, I cut meat for a living, in an air conditioned room. It isn't glamorous but it sure as shit beats slaving away in what sounds like an actual description of hell for the same amount of money. What I'm saying is there are better jobs than what you are describing where you can make the same money or more with no extra education required. Jobs like yours are for desperate niggers with 13 kids and legit retards who don't know their own worth.

>>508822883
>7 days a week
The modern American has works more than a medieval peasant or slave and it's not even a joke anymore

>>508823524
it isnt the heat it is the speed modern people try to work you at. Its fucking crazy industrial robot speed. Not even fucking slaves picked cotton at the rate these fucking farmers expect you to pick at.

For historical perspective towns or collectives would harvest all together, entire families working and even other skilled crafts would help out with other tasks but in general it was a team effort and they worked sunup to sundown at a normal human picking pace.

It infuriates me that they expect humans to work at the same speed as machines in modern day. I wouldnt mind picking crops for that wage if they didnt expect me to sprint everywhere and work so fast that I might hurt myself. No wage is worth breaking your back over.

>>508822051
If farmers had to pay livable real wages to laborers, then prices of food would shoot up so high that most people will realize that their jobs simply do not pay enough to get food anymore. Since wages have stagnates for like 60 years now.
Which is why pretty much everyone company is in favor of keeping illegals because they dont want their workers to realize they are getting robbed, and have their own profit margins shrink.

>>508821842 (OP)
Will white South Africans do? Or do the immigrants have to be brown?
>>508823524
White people are the best farmers even in the hottest places. See SA ir Zimbabwe. There is literaly zero area you arent inferior in.

>>508821842 (OP)
>cant find workers
a man chooses
a slave obeys.

>>508827952
Start a profit sharing business Mr. Obvious Solution. Thinking there is an obvious solution is how communism starves everybody to death.

>>508821842 (OP)
You realise Henry ford had this problem so he just increased wages

>>508822051
Mass migration, illegal immigration, and big ag are the significant causes of inflation and food price increases. Cope.

>>508828063
bruh look at how hard they expect you to work. Its inhuman how hard they try and break you here in america. You see rice farmers in asia liesurely planting rice or harvesting then here you see a bunch of brown people working so hard and fast like they will be killed if they work slower.

>>508828188
government subsidizes farmers forever. cant start farming business when government protects competition.

>>508823842
>The employer's are liars
They all vote republican so that makes sense

>>508824205
>Payed
Blue collar worker moment. Sitting in my comfy air conditioned home typing this.

>>508821842 (OP)

Hahah, see this is what happens when the ultra rich pay themselves too much and the foundation of the country is neglected to the point where they import a poorer person instead of paying a fair wage.

People would not quit if the wages were fair.

>>508828188
i read from wiki that european union farmer subsidies have killed hundreds of millions of africans into starvation. that if we wouldve free marketed from africa, they wouldve had jobs and not die from hunger.

atleast finnish wiki on farmer subsidies on eu claims so https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maataloustuki#Vaikutus_kehitysmaihin

translated

"The Centre for the New Europe report “EU Trade Barriers Kill” (Archived – Internet Archive) (2003) calculated that EU tariff barriers kill 6,600 people a day. Much of this is due to agricultural subsidies and tariffs. If Africa could increase its share of trade by even one percent, it would earn £49 billion more per year and 128 million people would be lifted out of poverty. Five percent would bring in £248–350 billion.
The relative advantage of the poorest countries lies mainly in agriculture and textile production. Tariffs on agricultural products average 20%, and for some products they are as high as 250%."

>>508821842 (OP)
>Pays less than needed for below average living
>NOOO WE NEED SLAVE-I MEAN IMMIGRATION BACK

>>508828175
>See SA ir Zimbabwe
Not exporters and the heavy lifting was done by literal niggers, pick a better example like Netherlands

>>508826131
Why can't they get anybody to do it them?

>>508821961
>increase pay
>lower taxes
>curtail massive corporations in favour of more distributed means of production and put a limit on profit margins
>stop printing money
Solved

>>508821842 (OP)
I'll pay for high quality food and getting niggers, muslims, jews, spics. Sign me up

>>508828373
You say this yet you are on the same side of the corrupt employers that want to suppress wages and skirt minimum wage by hiring illegal alien invaders. They are not businessmen, they are criminals. You are evil demented communist filth.

>>508821842 (OP)
Stop growing hundreds of thousands of acres of basedbeans and corn is the answer. We dont actually need the shit and I dont want it in my motor

>>508822051
Food prices already went up, farmers crushed eggs and spilled milk to make sure they wouldn't go down

The business owners and hirers need consequences for this. We can all fucking read between the lines in 2025, how do they not know that?

>>508821842 (OP)
>We need im
>H-2A temporary farm worker visa program
theyre just butt hurt theyre losing their cheap exploitable labor
and leftists just want to cope over their TDS and come up with an excuse to keep importing the 3rd world

>>508826131
ok, or i can simply not do it. and i wont!

>>508821842 (OP)
No link. Fake.

>>508828043
Well you illiterate nigger you seem to have missed that I dont work in the factory

>>508823415
nothing based about beans, herne (pea) is the real MVP (Most Valuable Player, it's a sports term) here, it's based and redpilled

>>508823684
>perhaps a lot of these crops simply shouldn't be grown
This is a great point. Why do we need so many fucking blueberries? Can't you just plant a bush in your backyard garden if you love them so goddamned much?

Fuck this gay consoomer culture. Let things that deserve scarcity be scarce.

>>508826271
Good effortpost.

>>508827427
Don't ask questions, goyim.

>>508821961
>Bro just everyone a gazillion dollars and we'll pay $80 for an apple
Why are reddit socialists so stupid?

>>508828697
I don't think you know what a communist is ranjeesh

>>508827909
nobodys actually offering minimum anywhere with a population above 15k people though, most places are offering at least double. i live in a shitty town in idaho, minimum wage is the federal 7.25 and there are zero companies in my area offering less than 15. i would laugh in a farmers face for offering me 11 here and i would laugh again if he told me "its almost 50% higher than minimum!!"

>>508826271
Grains and vegetables are literal human cattle feed. A carnivorous diet is the only evolutionarily sound diet. The fuck are you talking about, "consume meat in low quantities", you retarded faggot.

>>508822051
>>508821961
>>508821842 (OP)
>>508822883
>>508824205

>>508821842 (OP)

They pay shit wages and treat people like cattle because they know they can treat the Mexicans like shit because they get government benefits and don't pay taxes and they have few alternatives.

Then they wonder why Americans won't take their shit.

>>508821842 (OP)
>Americans won't work...
>We need immigrants.
Unfortunately we can't funnel our money out of the country and then go back home after 3 months to live like kings for the rest of the year. Some of us actually fucking live here and have to pay for shit like rent without having the benefit of 10 other guys splitting the bills for a 2 bedroom trailer.

>>508826131
Well the going rate is 30 bucks an hour

pay me 60 an hour and ill pick your berries faggot

>>508822051
Ill pay an extra dollar for a head of cabbage if it means the spics are gone.