Where did ancient Egypt and Babylon go? Today's middle east is very backward and hellish. Are Middle Easterners truly the descendants of the earliest civilizations? Or does the media just overestimate the historical ME?

>>508826585 (OP)
All those civilizations got genocided by Muslim Arab conquests

>>508826585 (OP)
>>508827511

Inbreeding over multiple generations caused their genetics to get damaged, if they were smart they would have a state mandatory DNA test like Israel, it's the only way to prevent in-breeding since the entire population is compromised, like Jews were before they figured out the problem a few decades ago.

>>508827511
sheeeeit. i just realized if not for the romans and diaspora, then your people would have also been genocided and destroyed in the muslim arab conquest.

>>508827511
Did Arabs conquer the Middle East prior to Islam? It's weird that Arabia was very irrelevant for thousands of years before Islam.

>>508827883
Not prior no, Mohammad started the conquests, and then his followers continued them after his death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Muslim_conquests

>>508827511
Exactly. The original inhabitants were white.

Based Jew knows what’s up.

>>508828374
Not white but mediterranean ,similar to Greeks

>>508827511
Most of them collapsed around 1200BC, around the same time a circumcised people called the "shekelesh" tried to invade Egypt for 40 years but were crushed by both Ramses II, the pharaoh of the exodus in the Old Testament, and Ramses III.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNYcY9X6P7E
>In his second year, Ramesses II decisively defeated the Sherden sea pirates who were wreaking havoc along Egypt's Mediterranean coast by attacking cargo-laden vessels travelling the sea routes to Egypt.
>In that sea battle, together with the Sherden, the pharaoh also defeated the Lukka (L'kkw, possibly the people later known as the Lycians), and the Šqrsšw (Shekelesh) peoples.
>The conflict occurred on the Egyptian Empire's easternmost frontier in Djahy, or modern-day southern Lebanon, in the eighth year of Ramesses III or about c. 1178 BC. In this battle the Egyptians, led by Ramesses III, defeated the Sea Peoples, who were attempting to invade Egypt by land and sea.

>Ramesses II (c. 1279–1213 BC): Ramesses II, or Ramesses the Great, is the most common figure for the Exodus pharaoh as Rameses is mentioned in the Bible as a place name (see Genesis 47:11, Exodus 1:11, Numbers 33:3, etc).

>>508828374
>>508828452
Many Middle Easterners still retain white features.

>>508826585 (OP)
>is very backward
because of the wars by US, jews, shia, and even russia too, which is clearly in the countries that had these wars

>The Great Karnak inscription of the Pharaoh Merneptah also states that at least three of the Sea Peoples, the Ekwesh, Sheklesh and Sherden, were circumcised.

>>508826585 (OP)
The modern middle east is better than the ancient middle east. Because they have cars and electric fans, while ancient middle easterns only had clay.
Most of the world today is much better than it was in the past, including shitholes like India. In India everyone was starving 30 years ago, today they are fat from too much rice and lentils.

>>508826585 (OP)
Empires/powers are just ideologies which emanate from a capital city under a based ruler who founds a dynasty.
Sometimes cities develop something which gives them an edge, and their culture/tech just spreads until things collapse under their own weight. Then the same thing will happen elsewhere.
Alexandria, Cairo, Nineveh, Assur, Babylon, Jerusalem, Petra.... All great cities which were once the centre of their worlds. A fascinating part of the world, desu.

It seems that when a city has 'made it', it never returns to greatness. I guess the inhabitants run out of hunger and desire and become content with the tales of old.

>>508827883
the Nabataeans (Petra) had a kino civilization which traded with Rome. Palmyra is a pretty fascinating place, too.

There's a lot of pre-history in Arbaia I suspect was eradicated when Islam arrived.

>>508827511
lying jew, muslims never destroyed any culture or even 'colonized' new countries (which is why we never had issues with immigrants etc because we make new acquired countries good to live in not sucking its resources dry), there's are literally stuff for thousands of years, it's just we didn't take care beyond anything because we don't do 'we wuz' and 'muh rocks' we rather care about future than living in the past.

>>508828452
This is white. You can have brown hair and eyes and still be Caucasian. You don't have to be completely adapted for snowy regions. Italian, Greek, and Persian are white. Anything mixed with Arab is not, they have African in them.

>>508828684
It'd be interesting if the Middle East kept its original culture instead of the Islamic Middle East today. Maybe they would've secularized and would've been more politically stable.

>>508828999
Islam conquered Byzantium and Persia and made them pay jizya

Were the shekelesh, ekwesh and sherden a bunch of proto-Jews that tried to invade Egypt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4&t=32

>>508829108
Islamic culture is from the middle east and arabs are middle eastern. Muhammad and his people were from the Hejaz, which you can just picture as a continuation of palestine down south, with a few cities, trade, urban culture and agriculture. Their arabic language is very similar to the aramaic they would have spoken in the fertile crescent.

>>508828999
Yeah every Muslim country just happens to be 99% Muslim by accident right?

>>508829538
The middle east was (and still is) ethnically and religiously diverse, but Arabs imposed their religion on everyone. Islam's ways to run things is alien even to the Middle East. Only few of those religions and ethnicities survived.

>>508829526
Sheckel-esh lol

>>508830020
What percentage of Jews are still jewish again?

>>508830309
>BUTWHATABOUTDAJOOZ
Don't care, Judaism is a dying religion anyway,. just like Christianity
Most of Israel are atheists or secular

>>508830020
I think those countries that became Muslim aren't due to Muslim conquests only, but also because of a spiritual void Islam had filled. Islam failed to conquer Europe because it was spiritually tied to Christianity more than the ME, that's why Christianity died out in the ME and survived in Europe.

Persia followed by Greeks followed by Romans vs Parthians/Persians followed by Arabs followed by Persians followed by Turks

>>508830108
>, but Arabs imposed their religion on everyone
This is is normal, the religions that were before, such as christianity, were imposes on everyone. Every state just imposes itself on people.
>>508830108
>Islam's ways to run things is alien even to the Middle East.
Islam and arabs are from the middle east

>>508830461
You've created your own hell. When people subsitute God for materia and money you will get exactly what you wished for and that is hell. Sounds like Jewish world.

Now tell me why are you so satanic?

>>508830206
See pic related. One of the theories is they were proto-Jews.
>as such also to the biblical tribe of Dan
https://www.academia.edu/221955/The_Egyptian_Interest_in_Mycenaean_Greece#loswp-work-container

>"His majesty was enraged at their report, like a lion", assembled his court and gave a rousing speech. Later, he dreamed he saw Ptah handing him a sword and saying, "Take thou (it) and banish thou the fearful heart from thee." When the bowmen went forth, says the inscription, "Amun was with them as a shield." After six hours, the surviving Nine Bows threw down their weapons, abandoned their baggage and dependants, and ran for their lives. Merneptah states that he defeated the invasion, killing 6,000 soldiers and taking 9,000 prisoners. To be sure of the numbers, among other things, he took the penises of all uncircumcised enemy dead and the hands of all the circumcised, from which history learns that the Ekwesh were circumcised, a fact causing some to doubt they were Greek.

>>508831213
I thought that sea people were actually the Philistines mentioned in the Hebrew bible.

>>508826585 (OP)
All history is fake and made up. Chronology is all fucked up. It's all fanfic and false stories

>>508831757
With all the tech we have and we still don't know what's real or not God knows what happened back then.

>>508826585 (OP)
Q-M25:
This subclade is found across West Asia with varying frequencies, including peaks in certain Turkmen populations. Its presence in Marsh Arabs suggests a connection to the ancient Mesopotamian region and its history.

Q-M378:
This subclade is specifically associated with the Marsh Arab population. It highlights the genetic diversity within this group, which has been linked to the ancient Sumerians.

>>508826585 (OP)
What's left.

>>508826585 (OP)
>today's middle east is very backward and hellish
You should read up on the shenanigans the assyrians got up too

>>508831643
it's a confederation of different invading tribes, independently invading different parts of the Eastern mediterranean.

The Peleset are likely Philistines from Greece, but the ones that tried to invade Egypt could be a Semitic proto-Jewish contingent.

>>508826585 (OP)
They used to have good genes but Islam ruined it (1400 years of inbreeding).

I didn’t read a single post but I know exactly what this thread will be:

Whites we wuzzing for 300 replies. Yes everything good that came from the Middle East was white pekple and everything bad was Muslims and Arabs

>>508832598
yep, their entire gender identity is claiming middle eastern achievements

>>508832044
Humanity faced cataclysmic events multiple times. Chronology is most likely extended like first millennium is only around 350 years. Other periods also should be shortened and condensed.

Proposed origins of this line.

>>508833207
Phantom time theory was the first thing I read about the forgery of history, dunno if anons here are familiar with it.

>>508826585 (OP)
They were absorbed by Persians, that's why they are able to be one of the first space warfare civilizations currently

>>508832828
I'm not claiming Persia's achievements since most of their biggest achievements was after the Arab conquest. The majority of Islamic Golden Age scholars were Persians that looked like modern day Persians.

On the other hand Iranians and the Iranian language are a special case of a middle eastern people that originated from the Russian steppe. Pic related is a Scythian (another Iranian people) sample for example from Hungary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ283N_ZdKY

Even today there are Iranic speaking people in Russia that are relatively white. The Ossetians are believed to be related to the Alan people (they call their region "Alania") who were another group of Iranians that migrated all the way to Western Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZnA756x4c

>>508827511
Tldr version. But yeah sort off.

>>508833876
Yes time forgery, how deep in the rabbit hole have you gone? Ancient buildings? Nonsensical calendars. The fact people started randomly counting the year one day despite not knowing things happened, truth is the current year would make more sense to be the exact age of the Earth? The phantom theory proposes 297 years unaccounted for years in the time of Charlemagne’s empire and lack of evidence archeologically thereof..

1728 real years since Christ (if time was added)

11,625 years since civilization

300,000 years since humanity

4.54 billion years since Earth’s creation give or take a million

Or... infinite, if time is a loop

but what year are we in exactly...who knows? I dont know. Do you know?

>>508833876
>>508833207
>>508834524
Guys stop being low IQ

>>508826585 (OP)
>Today's middle east is very backward and hellish
We only perceive civilisation to be a force for good today in its mature phase. Back then it wasn't, at least not for 99% of people
>Or does the media just overestimate the historical ME?
The reason why civilisation emerged in the middle east isn't necessarily because of (genetic) specialness of the Sumerians, it's just because flood plains really is the only type of geographical region in which civilisation can emerge in at all. After it has emerged, the barrier for its diffusion to other regions is lower, but the initial step requires an enormous food surplus, an enormous amount of people confined in a relatively small space, and lastly the means for a small, violent elite to impose themselves on the majority - in this case, most likely by controlling the irrigation

>>508826585 (OP)
ALL his-story is fake and distorted.

>>508832828
The Iranians from the steppe didn't get raped so much as they mixed with the local populations.

They certainly looked like modern day Persians by 500AD but in 1000BC (around the time the Aryans migrated there) they looked closer to people from the Northern steppe. I would imagine by the time of Cyrus the Great they all looked like modern day Persians.

>>508827883
climate change happened not kidding. arabia got a ton more fertile with more rain and eventually burst forth while farther north was struggling with famines. Over 100 years of this plus the justinian plague stackwiped eastern rome. plus the greatest roman persian war.

>>508827511
>Muslim Arab conquests
They didn't pop out of nowhere? Their leaders were Rabbis who did that. Islam, Chrisitianity were created by Rabbis and used it to end ancient civilizations from Roman, Greek to Babylonia and Mesopotamia. You few tribes did it all.

>>508828999
Bulllllsshhhiiiiitttt

>Yes people living further to the south and east in deserts were whiter than these guys on Crete which are a people from the Aegean region.
>Nooooooo, they are actually semites
Well then even more proof there were no whites in the middle east.
>The men are drawn darker and the women white
Proof that they are probably in between skinwise

>>508827737
Sensible chuckle.

>>508835155
It's called getting a tan. Which you did back then as there were barely any indoor work/activities to do.

>>508835155
>pink tits
white confirmed

>>508835398
>that dark
>a tan
If you want skincancer, yeah.
What about the dark hair?

>>508827883
No he’s a retard, it all got conquered by Persia, which got conquered by Alexander, and then his successor states were around until Rome and Persia conquered everything. Then eventually the Romans and Persians devastated each other in a 20 year war and the muslims took swept across the Middle East

>>508826585 (OP)
>Where did ancient Egypt and Babylon go?
egypt fell into decline and was repeatedly conquered, before falling to islam.

the babylonian and neo-babylonian empires fell into decline and were repeatedly conquered, before falling to islam.

that's about it.

>>508835545
>Then eventually the Romans and Persians devastated each other in a 20 year war and the muslims took swept across the Middle East
I cri everytime

>>508826585 (OP)
All history is completely faked. The 'Roman empire' was global and primarily located in the US, which is why you have giant Roman style structures throughout the US, although most have been deliberately destroyed. It 'fell' far more recently, a few hundred years ago at most, and all adults were wiped out and only the children left alive. The 'civil war' was the Illuminati exterminating and conquering the original Roman inhabitants. That is why they call it 'Latin America', as Latin was the spoken language. Its also why the US has so much Roman symbolism. That 'how often do you think of the Roman empire' was a mockery psyop.

>>508828939
Petra was built in the 1950s to inflate the ego of the people residing there. Most of these "ancient artifacts" are fabrications built by European colonists in order to fabricate a history for these subhumans.

>>508835545
>>508835627
>>508835804
They downgraded from persia-rome to islam

>>508835866
Trvke

>>508835866
And Byzantium is Russia now, Constantinople never fell

>>508828572
Yeah sure, they're (((White))). Their pale skin is the perfect adaptation for the middle eastern sun!

Before Isr*el there were about 200 million people who called themselves mohammedans.
After the Sykes-Picot agreement, they now had an enemy, and had to congregate against it under religion which gives the extremist backwards horde in those countries.

>>508833876
I suggest checking Gunnar Heinsohn theories about first millennium and bronze age

>>508827511
Jewbro unexpectedly truthful and based

>>508830461
Jews never really "believed" in their God. They kind of use him because their God is incredibly dumb and falls for all kinds of tricks. The Talmud is a book of tricks that God always falls for.