All over the internet "certain people" keep claiming that they were historically "forced" into money-lending as a profession. But when asked for any proof of legally being "forced", they don't seem to have anything to back this up, yet keep insisting that they "know" that this was in fact the case. Who's right, /pol?

>>508843213 (OP)
"Forced" is an exaggeration. It was more so thar, it was the only thing well-off Jews were allowed to do in medieval society since the only other industry in existence was farming, and Jews couldn't own land in most countries.

>>508843213 (OP)
Kike lies we kicked them out of 109 countries for usury.

They were never forced into it

It's not so much that they were "forced into moneylending" as that they were forbidden to own or work the land, thus restricting them to cities, where they were obliged to take up professions. One of the professions they ended up concentrating in was moneylending, because
>they were largely literate
>they were in contact with international networks of other Jews, which facilitated forming international commercial relationships
>there were restrictions on Christians against charging interest, which Jews were often exempt from
>since everybody hated the Jews the king could (and frequently did) just kick them all out and take all their shit without needing to justify it too hard, so they weren't exactly averse to letting them accumulate large piles of money

>>508844245
What do you mean "own land"? We're talking about feudal serf times when NOBODY "owned land" other than gentry loyal to the local lord, in turn loyal to the king. Everybody else paid taxes through the nose for the "privilege" of using the king's land.

>>508844245
Kike lies

>>508844418
Jewish propaganda serfs worked less than wageslaves today

>>508843213 (OP)
>forcing jews to interact with money after being caught clipping coins

>>508844418
Pointless pedantry. The modern conception of private property didn't exist by them but you know exactly what I am referring to. I know this because you described it to me.

>>508844404
>they were forbidden to own or work the land
see: >>508844418
>thus restricting them to cities
Were they? You're saying the originally wanted to immigrate to fields but were "forced into cities", unlike, say, everywhere else they spent their time in the middle east where they naturally sought out major cities (to also practice money-lending)?
>where they were obliged to take up professions
As opposed to what, everyone else who sat at home all day and conjured up food with magic spell?
The rest of what you said:
>nobody forced them
>they just naturally used their networks to exploit legal loopholes

>>508844404
>source: >1000 hours in CK2

>>508844519
It's not "pedantry" it's the main point in your argument, that they weren't "allowed to own land". All I'm saying is "actually, almost nobody was back then".

>>508844574
>nobody forced them
>they just naturally used their networks to exploit legal loopholes
Yes. Why is this a bad thing?
>>508844712
>actually, almost nobody was back then
Yeah. So... What's your point?

>>508844418
Serfs had a bit more attachment to the land than that in many cases, even if it wasn't "ownership." Some serfs might be "bound to the land" in a way that means the lord can't revoke their renter status. But even that state was not something the gentry/lord/king were going to let Jews get into.
>>508844404
>there were restrictions on Christians against charging interest, which Jews were often exempt from
The Christian logic on this was interestingly Jewish in nature. Jews aren't allowed to change money or do any kind of "work" in a temple. When Jesus drives the moneychangers from the Court of the Gentiles, he's driving out Gentiles because Jews decided that rules which apply to them don't apply to goyim; goyim can change money in the temple. Jesus disagrees since he's about the spirit of the law, not the letter. But ironically Christians just did the inverse with lending a few centuries later; they inherited the rule that lending is wrong, but decided that since Jews aren't Christian it wouldn't apply to them. So they effectively created Courts of the Jew for Jews to charge interest in.

People will fight and die for their religion's name, but will cheat any way they can think of to avoid its rules.

>>508844767
>Why is this a bad thing?
Why is it a bad thing to come to a host country and immediately start exploiting the inhabitants of that country in which you're essentially a guest? Dunno. Not sure why so many people got pissed off about that and kicked them out so many times, either.
>What's your point?
That you have none?

>>508844822
>Some serfs might be "bound to the land" in a way that means the lord can't revoke their renter status
I think you misunderstand what "bound to the land" meant back then; it literally meant you stayed "in your lane" physically and couldn't travel freely. That's why stonemasonry was such a big thing, because they got a special privilege to travel from place to place to build things
>the Jews changing money in the temple weren't really jews, you see, they were actually like, um, Europeans or something
Wut?

>>508844872
>Why is it a bad thing to come to a host country and immediately start exploiting the inhabitants of that country in which you're essentially a guest?
What the actual fuck are you talking about? We're talking about Europe right? The Ashkenazis have been living there since the 10th century. They only moved to Israel recently because of you-know-who.

>>508843213 (OP)
>we're so oppressed they literally forced us to control the money supply and become ultra-rich
lmao i wish i was oppressed

>>508844245
Nobody couldn't own land unless they were part of the nobility, and even then they still needed to pay a kind of "rent" in the form of military service.

>>508845287
>The Ashkenazis have been living there since the 10th century.
Really? In every European country since the 10th country?
>They only moved to Israel recently because of you-know-who.
Really? That's weird because a tiny bit of research shows that they had plans to move there since before you-know-who was even born.

>>508846041
>Really? In every European country since the 10th country?
I dunno man. I'm not a Jew migration expert. Wikipedia says they were in Germany by then so you do the math there.
>Really? That's weird because a tiny bit of research shows that they had plans to move there since before you-know-who was even born.
Emphasis on a "tiny bit" of research. Zionism was a niche sect of Judaism that didn't really gain much traction until the 20th century.
I gotta say, Nick Fuentes and his consequences have been a disaster for the antisemitic community. He made nooticing accessible to low-IQ normies.

Like you should be the one explaining all this shit me. You're the nooticer, you're supposed to be the Jew expert, not me.

>>508846515
>I gotta say, Nick Fuentes and his consequences have been a disaster for the antisemitic community. He made nooticing accessible to low-IQ normies.
This is good. U r dum

>>508846515
>didn't really gain much traction until the 20th century
What do you mean by "traction", by broad appeal or by appeal among influential people? Because 10 highly influential people could make something have more "traction" than 1,000,000 everyday people if they set their mind to it.
>Someone made pattern recognition more accessible to normies, and this is bad for the pattern recognition movement
Why exactly, and how?

>>508844364
>be jew
>do stuff everyone hates
>get hated for it more
>do it harder

jews...

bump

>>508843213 (OP)
Goys you did this to them, they wanted to be out in the field in the scorching sun for 10 hours straight instead you forced them to become moneylender and tax the goycattle while sitting on their ass and getting privileges from the monarchy by serving as their tax collectors.
Google what court jew was and you will realize europeans have been occupied for more than nearly 2 millenias.

>>508843213 (OP)
I BREAK BIG ROCKS IN THE, HOT SUN

>>508847269
LOL, your picrel is better than OP's. Wait. I'm OP.

>>508844680
rookie numbers.