This is why we have to import refugees. Look up the numbers it's 100% true.

fyi even though this has been referenced countless times in the last half century nobody has ever even attempted to run any such experiment ever since

>>508854994
I'm telling you dude this is what's happening to us globally... simultaneously...

Tech is all gone global now with the web...ALL our lifestyles are now mimicking the behavior archetype from mouse Utopia...

We stopped breeding because of overly aggressive mice and because of SOCIALLY reclusive mice

It's hypergamy allover again

>>508854903 (OP)
Yes it's called a city, all civilisations eventually become mostly urban and collapse

>>508854903 (OP)
The more you look at /pol...in it's entirety...like take in the full thing look at society...it's the same....

This is why they have to import people into environments that are touted as "paradise"

>>508855645
nigger you may have stopped breeding, I don't

>>508855692
What's worrying is that the tech level internet appliances transport has basically urbanized 75% of the world...now add the advent of robotics a nd AI soon...

Total devastation...like fucking Total

Another retarded popsci experiment by a faggot from the 60s who started with a conclusion a priori and walked backwards to get the results he wanted so he could sell the story, now popularized by retarded le scarey story Youtube channels and subhuman IQ instagram reels

Same shit as the wolf experiments or the stanford prison experiments. At some point you gotta notice the pattern with these things or it's on your for being retarded.

>>508855779
What must I do with this information?!
t. Father of 3.

Not my point...point is the EU HAS TO IMPORT THIRD WORLD simply to keep the lights on and to "grow" GDP...in reality that just props up the currency fiat printing...

On the ground...look at the POLITICS in Germany...why are they arresting people who even lightly criticize the .gov.?

Because the entire system (mouse Utopia) has already entered the collapse phase and it's about to accelerate..
.
What's worse the rest of the world is emulating international trends and techs and cultures...

The whole world will become Japan or south Korea unless society and modern tech future are destroyed... Or we get out of this spiral...

But to do so...

We have to acknowledge ALL of us. That...we are in mouse Utopia right now

>>508855796
>Total devastation...like fucking Total
bring it on !

>>508854903 (OP)
We bring in millions of r selected peoples and give them everything they want, so they multiply in the plenty.
k selected whites no longer feel safe in their homelands and stop having children.

>>508856934
oh look where we are at on that sinus curve

>>508856934
>>508857032
right there, we are still below or near carrying capacity.
Of course that capacity is biased by unlimited energy availability, but it will still go on like that for a couple of hundreds of years

>>508855645
>We stopped breeding because of overly aggressive mice and because of SOCIALLY reclusive mice
no. the experiment simulates urbanization
>>508854994
>nobody has ever even attempted to run any such experiment
Proof according to this standard does not exist anywhere. it is paradoxical. An experiment cannot prove itself. This experiment however can be observed mostly everywhere in nature. https://youtu.be/f9g4-5-GKBc

>>508855645
>>508855697
>>508855796
>>508856098
this reddit spacing is repulsive

>>508856934
No...
The immigrants are assuming:
The culture
The tax burden's
The tech
The food
The lifestyle

Also the aspirations to be a "beautiful one"

Withing 2 generations the slave immigration is no different to the lower class or lower middle class locals...
And fertility falls of a cliff...sonnie what...

Bring in MOAR

>>508854903 (OP)
>refugees
They're not refugees they're free loaders.

>>508854903 (OP)
>500 times smaller territory than what is natural for mice
>No toys
>No natural environment

It was a prison, not an utopia

>>508857110
See I'm not sure humans are the same as animals with "carrying capacity"...

I think it's about Maslow's pyrimid.
..

With all the physiology needs, social needs, safety needs taken care of in western cuck society.
.
Everyone's then just goes to tinder, onnlyfans, linked in....all esteem and "self actualization"
..dopamine chasers....and you is know what rraaaallllyy conflicts with dopamine????


FUCKING KIDS
People in the west are literally too lazy and scared of threatening their esteem and lifestyle for kids. The other half who maybe do want...have to find a mate in the beautiful ones who don't want.

>>508857304
I existed before reddit. Kindly fuckoff then

>>508854903 (OP)
>scientists extrapolate
here's the problem with your totally valid theory.

>>508857514
our system that produces food, housing, etc. has a carrying capacity, especially for energy that allows everything else. We are post oil peak and we have more energy available than ever, and we are getting even more, it's crazy, the oil collapse didn't happened, but we will have social collapse instead because that wealth, that energy encourages urbanization and this si going to be far, far more ugly than a "hardware" caused collapse.

>>508856098
so basically Ted was right and all people who live more than 2 generations in industrial society stop reproducing and cease to function normally. There are no exceptions. The industrial society you live in is inherently anti-ecological and hostile to all life in general. Populations in industrial nations are collapsing including all participants. There are ghost towns in Europe. Take a look around the city you are in and realize nothing is living. He was just like not a very good polititcian.
>What must I do with this information?
According to picture there are 4 main identifiable groups unaffected by this trend:
a) rural Africans
b) tribal Afghans
c) central nomadic steppe herders
d) Amish
With this information we can properly adjust how to value a good life. So a rural person living among a closed community of some sort not dependent upon technology. To truly understand how to thread this needle, or possibly steer society hypothetically in the right direction we need to understand the actual cause of the problem, which is not just urbanization. I will explain it for you...

>>508854903 (OP)
our current predicament has nothing to do with mouse utopia.

>>508857618
I think your missing the point...
The guys did more than 25 experiments with thousands of mice...and detailed behavior changes...

I EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE...total depopulation...they never recovered and basically forgot to be mice...forgot their instincts or had culture observed which negated them ...to total death and depopulation. Without any instance of the experiment bringing different outcomes.

That's one hell of a trend. I know we aren't mice but we ARE SEEING PARALLELS NOW

>>508856098
>What must I do with this information?
look, I know its not appealing or popular or something you saw in a gay hollywood movie but its true. You are just an energy consoomer. Oil is not capital because you didn't make it. You just found it in the ground and it comes out of your oil faucet. The demand to produce that energy requires you to immerse yourself in the stupid end products of industrial society that denies you life and requires you to exhaust yourself in futile efforts. Everything that you desire can be quantified by the ability to construct right angles in nature with energy you never had to make, and thus anything that threatens this is swiftly annihilated and conformed to its consumption habits. Yeah I mean the point here is that you didn't make that energy. You just found it. You are more like monkeys in a feeding frenzy who found a pile of bananas, and this is the best description of a leftists. You see, when you have to actually make your energy you can't live like a bimbo faggot. The faggotry is too expensive for energy producers.

The reason why you can't do cool things like nuclear energy is because nuclear energy is more like an energy machine or energy actuator. It is fixed capital. It does not compare at all to the hydrocarbons that are just there in the ground that you harvest from your oil faucet. But even if you had a box full of infinite energy you would still have to use that to make hydrocarbons. So as it turns out, you already have free energy. It doesn't get any better than hydrocarbons. It is this very fact that you did not have to make these hydrocarbons, that they just exist there for you and its free to obtain, is why you have all the problem that you have.

>>508857659
Fortunately we don't need more "people" on the planet, we need far far less. Earth populated by a billion of White Europeans would be perfect

>>508854903 (OP)
mice tests are useless.

So many have run onions product testing on real men and found no effect, but on rats found it decreases libido and such.

Testing on rats is useless for anything beyond single, simple organ effect readings.

>>508854903 (OP)
>We have recreated Jewish State.
4 mouse jew and 4 mouse jewees 2200 cousins later all of them are fucked up

>>508857659
This is it Anon...that's it.. I hope this catches on o really do!!! Otherwise we are absolutely fucked...

Meanwhile the fucking Jew fucks are pushing CBDC control grids

>>508855645
The mice lived in Utopia, people arent even close to living in Utopia.

>>508854903 (OP)
https://x.com/ErectusRex/status/1908911569804943827

While most of civilization was built upon the storage of capital for later use, what we have become accustomed to is a lifestyle based entirely upon consumption. Saudi Arabia for example, according to Adam Smith, should be the wealthiest nation ever, but in actuality it is only as wealthy as people buy their petroleum products. The moment we found large oceans of petroleum energy we have been constructing an open ended system that requires very little feedback into its maintenance.

>>508857862
We do, almost nobody has to work their asses off to produce food, most of the urban population, so most of the population is seating in front of a screen as a "job"

>>508857877
Before fossil energy a community had to give as much or more than what they take to store for later use; like a seed crop or surplus production. The management of limited resources required hierarchy and social planning. Cheap available energy liberates people from the behaviors of feedback in a closed system that would otherwise reward social planning. Everything that a liberal desires can be quantified by the ability to create right angles in nature with energy they never had to make. The hypermoralization in pursuit of surplus energy (feed the world, world peace, end all violence, etc), is an evolutionary mismatch expressed as the need to fill an empty void in the pursuit of endless boundaries absent of limitations. Very few have considered how much their lives will have to change when those limitations become apparent.

>>508857877
If we were to assume a technological society requires existing within an error space that never requires a correction, the probability of any correction to a normal configuration relies entirely on the energy used to supply that system. If we do not have the energy we cannot afford to make such a mistake. An infinite amount of energy consumption only produce a maximum amount of error. All living systems resist entropy by repeating form. A system will usually allocate a certain amount of energy to propagate backwards for error correction, but under certain conditions this fails to occur. This is called control and we understand this as governance.

>>508857877
Notice how whenever a politician encounters a problem, the answer is always to print money and build an institution. This would never work if oil was not abundant. So to a politician today, an error is just another expense rather than something which requires a correction. And that is why nothing ever happens, but this is a very temporary luxury. A system can only function without unity and harmony if it has an abundance of cheap energy. That does not describe our current situation. It only functioned that way in the past based upon ignorance of what is about to occur. There is currently no ideology to represent what life will be like in the future with less hydrocarbons. No one is doing it

>>508857751
have you not even seen The Secret of NIMH? the whole thing stinks of judaism. i'll start listening to theories once the TKD stage has been completed.

>>508857877
Lets just say boomers had it really good their entire lives but especially when they were kids. It was like the best and easiest time to be born a human but that is gone now. If one dollar bought them 30 units of oils in 1965 it would only buy them 3 today. Energy animates life. What made their population "Boom" does not exist anymore. They consoomed it already but they still want it. They cannot imagine life any other way. It is not just boomers though. This trend is true for everyone who experiences less energy abundance as time progresses.

>>508857877
The problem arises when you have to input energy to get energy. So since we use energy for everything in the form of petroleum, it is more like inflation. But also there is less return on investment to discover more oil reserves. It takes years to build a well and return an investment. We can all track the rate at which people are investing and discovering and drilling more oil. At the rate we are currently at, demand will exceed production in a few years.

>>508857877
What makes oil so unique is that it doesn’t have to be made. It only has to be harvested. The oil is just there in the ground. The consequence of this is that anyone can make use of it and everyone who uses it does not know how to make it without using oil to make it. It cannot be substituted. It is the primary energy source for everything and feedstock for most industrial chemicals. If you had to produce the hydrocarbon molecules you consume a much different world would exist with far less abundance. When you spend dollars you spend energy, and likewise debt is a lean on future energy production.

>>508857877
GDP is correlated 1:1 with energy consumption along with population growth. Technological development and innovation is correlated 1:1 with population size. The ability to innovate and manage current existing technology requires maintaining the health and size of the population. For example, many people will fail to invent a thing before such a thing is actually achieved. Innovation has an energy cost overburden. Doing such things and maintaining them is only possible with excess surplus energy in a society that is highly managed to achieve that goal.

>>508857877
But if we were to discover that technology and excess energy itself is in some way hostile to living things, like for example low birthrates, these conditions cannot be sustained. Take a look around your city and realize nothing is living. The society you live in is hostile to life in general. It is just as hostile as standing on top of a grenade, or the Newtonian equivalent of standing in front of a car moving at 200 miles per hour. You are continuously immersed in vast amounts of available energy in the absence of all control. For living things this is not survivable.

>>508857814
The problem itself is not really the quantity of people but the overall conditions in which complex life requires to exist. Global birthrates are just a symptom of a much greater crisis of management

>>508858044
Energy is almost pure wealth, but we will never lack energy, that's the very unfortunate part.
Cities population can only grow because of movement from outside to the cities, it's been true since cities exist, people in cities don't make kids enough for population renewal.
The first problem is a city made for 1 million habitants can't function correctly with 900 000 habitants and it will collapse if it goes lower and lower.
The second problem is there's not a lot of people left to bring in the cities, hence massive immigration from Africa
Third problem is our system is (like all empires) purely stable if it grows : promises for the future are what keeps it going : we build housing, transports, for the (nearer and nearer) future even if we think it's overloaded, if you look at India, you understand our western systems are far from being overloaded.
So growth is more and more difficult to achieve, causing less and less growth until one city cannot grow anymore, then another one will follow because its wealth depended on maintaining the systems of other cities and it's all an house of cards.

>>508857948
>All living systems resist entropy by repeating form. A system will usually allocate a certain amount of energy to propagate backwards for error correction, but under certain conditions this fails to occur. This is called control and we understand this as governance.

Very nice information here. And I think this is what i am aiming at just not in your terms.

I fully support your idea that once energy input is a problem...you can have a collapse of another kind...that's is yes perfectly logical and would absolutely happen...

My point is that following the same EXACT logic regarding replication of learned culture ( a human watches mommy raise a child with daddy with brothers and sisters ) ... These are learned behaviors that give instincts and drives their logical replication pattern

This is what is collapsing...

SOCIETAL ENTROPY

>>508858298

>if you look at India, you understand our western systems are far from being overloaded.

I totally overlooked this!

So the problem REALLY IS A "BEHAVIOURAL SINC"

>>508854903 (OP)
people cannot afford to live

>>508858615
>So the problem REALLY IS A "BEHAVIOURAL SINC"
Yes, caused by the urbanization, meaning less reproduction.
We are almost in a globalized civilization so it happens almost everywhere : >>508857659
Unfortunately the place it doesn't happen produces the least desirable people. The dumbing down of the population is inevitable if we continue to think we live in an open world and don't take severe measures to protect a small, diminishing amount of people to preserve some for the rebound after the collapse.

>>508858298
Yeah I really have to emphasize again that the energy from hydrocarbons was free to obtain. Even though you input energy to obtain it, the value of its potential does not match your input. This extreme differential is what I call oversupply conditions. This is the driving force of urbanization. The city is the nexus of energy expenditure, and the focal point of industrial end products. Oversupply conditions are impossible to manage. The only way to control it is to turn it off. Riding the wave is not an option because the cascading collapse of 9 billion starving people would denude the planet.

India is not a good example of anything we are talking about here except maybe what not to do. Their birthrate just dipped below replacement and their cities are practically unlivable.

>>508858880
it's all the level of comfort we agree to live with, and it can be lowered way down what we have in the west, population might double in USA and Europe without having to increase our systems that much by importing africans and indians and that's what is going to happen in the next decades if we don't stop the madness (the madness will not be stopped)

>>508858464
>Very nice information here
Principles of Biological Autonomy
http://mechanism.ucsd.edu/~bill/teaching/f17/phil204A/readings/Varela%201979%20Principles%20of%20Biological%20Autonomy.part1.pdf

>>508858464
>SOCIETAL ENTROPY
The proper term for this is when describing networks is called explosion. Thats what I was simplifying here. We can also equate this in another way to error, or deviation from a normal distribution. The actual cause (picrel) is the energy we use to derive these properties. I only mentioned briefly in the summary how societies were historically managed to avoid these problems but much more could be said.

When we use this concept of error to analyze the situation here regarding entropy we can then use engineering principals to design control mechanism to correct these problems. These mechanism are usually the most obvious things every liberal hates like leadership and hierarchy. Perhaps the most important mechanism to managing a system like this is UNITY. Sot hat is where I would emphasize all my initial effort if I was attempting to socially steer a problem like this to a normal configuration (see next pic)

>>508859305
>next pic

>>508854903 (OP)
>Mouse Utopia
Irreproducible kike scientific fraud.

>>508854903 (OP)
>people hide in their homes from niggers and mexicans who shit up their society
>this is why we need more niggers and mexicans
i hope you die nigger

>>508854903 (OP)
the controllers took away our utopia, if you want to use this analogy get it right. they think they can just change the pedigree of the mice and expect different results. The only way to get the utopia is to form a coalition of mice and kill the simulation

>>508859174
>it's all the level of comfort we agree to live with
no. that is what Calhoun's experiment demonstrates. There are precise conditions living things require where technology always outpaces the ability to adapt to transformation. You could say, the spear for example, just selected for the people who exist now, but this time it is different. The environment as a whole is being transformed and there are no actual winners in the end. The people winning the most are the ones not participating.

>>508854994
>>nobody has ever even attempted to run any such experiment ever since

Yeah, because animal rights fags would discredit the research.

>>508854903 (OP)
we live in a society

>>508859460
lol cope, your future is fucked

>>508854903 (OP)
not my problem, i will not breed, this reality is a shithole with majority retarded evil people.Break the circle

>>508859582
What I mean is there's still room for "growth" in the west and as we replace the white very demanding population by non whites that can live in worse conditions, the collapse is nowhere near.

>>508854903 (OP)
The difference is our jewbutopia is enforced under the gun. The average npc wouldn't mind autists fix problems and create improvements if it weren't for psychopaths' agenda and force.

What is totally false on this graph is the resource level : it is not decreasing, so we will have a population collapse before a resource collapse, that's something that is not foreseen by these scientists

>>508857182
>no. the experiment simulates urbanization
This. The lower birth rates are strictly correlated to migration from villages to cities.
I even have anectdotal evidence where friend of my wife couldn't get pregnant and doctors found in her some illness of ovaries. She moved to dome god forsaken village with husband and suddenly she got pregnant no problem.

We live in overcrowded spaces and apparently human biology reacts to living in dense populated human areas.

>>508859604
Alpha males are non narcissistic (right wing) npc males
Isolates are autists
Cannibals are females
Beautiful ones are narcissistic leftist npc males
Violent outcasts are psychopaths

The difference from humans is there's a group of psychopaths who control the whole charade

>>508860025
This is the only determining factor of the model now yes, I think it's crazy like "we can do whatever we want, everything is in our hands, we can determine how the world goes on on every aspect" and we are fucking it up because some people want the curve to go up for ever and don't want to prepare for the time it goes down

>>508860102
>Cannibals are females
and male with female behavior like leftists

>>508860118
>and we are fucking it up because some people want the curve to go up for ever and don't want to prepare for the time it goes down
wrong
actually it's because your blood enemies are trying to kill you, and it's working.

>>508860184
We have no ennemies but ourselves

>>508860184
jews have the same problems at their jew home

>>508860213
kek
i am your enemy nigger
i hope you die

>>508860253
they have enemies too

>>508860322
>i am your enemy nigger
You can't do anything to harm me anon

>>508860348
You hope not

Yes you judes have.

Too bad you ruined your own woman while ruining ours. Now everything falls down, well done dumbasses.

>>508860177
Those are the faggots and troons and basedboys who adopt social "virtues" ie. beautiful ones

I really have to reduce my footprint in the world, I am to big, I need to much to live.
Less shit, less complex, less maintenance, less dependence

>>508859838
The precise amount is really a separate debate, but even under the most favorable stable conditions I think the estimate was 2 billion. We are already farming all arable land and most of the worlds population is malnourished. As it turns out we cannot just stop eating meat or grow it in a lab. Humans require a web of complex life to support even the most minimal requirements.
>>508859838
>there's still room for "growth"
There are no tech enthusiasts who can answer the why question. What are you growing for if not just for technology itself. Here is the evolutionary mismatch fundamental to the overall problem tech enthusiasts cannot solve. I like technology, but is not the reason for existing. So if you agree we have to exist in the future a few things have to be controlled and managed that is not occurring now.

>>508859838
>there's still room for "growth"
If things were ideally managed, like say, a nuclear power facility, the first things you will realize is an entirely different set of tolerances than what we expect from industrial societies today. So if you are actually a tech enthusiast, why can't any tech enthusiast seem to achieve these overall conditions to maintain this level of advancement? I already answered this question>>508857780

Nuclear energy is not, what Adam Smith called "prodigal consumption". It is fixed capital. Make of that what you will but you have to agree that we are not doing it. Oil is not capital. You are consuming your prodigy and claiming to be technologists.

>>508860634
I wasn't positive when I said "there's room for growth" I mean our satanic elites can continue to import the third world for a long time before an eventual collapse or overload of our western systems. Life will be hell, but they don't care.

>>508856098

Sounds legit to me

>>508860743
You can see where they understand the problem like the Club of Rome. Dennis Meadows described the problem like this
>be Dennis and Donella Meddows
>write book called Limits to Growth
>was approached by some glowniggers who said it was good
>glowniggers bought rights to book and published it
>information made its way to banks
>banks asked, "how can I make money from this"
>conversation ended
What they probably should have said is: "all of your assets dependent on hydrocarbons will depreciate to 0, but fixed capital assets will appreciate exponentially. Everything you own is actually worthless"

Usually these problems are managed and directed by a supreme sovereign. That is what is missing everywhere. There are no leaders to push the off button. If there was one leader responsible for what the world would be like in 50 years the first thing he would do is turn off the oil and manage its consumption precisely. Unfortunately this presents a near impossible dilemma for a leader that has never been achieved. Controlling the chaos would be like jumping on a grenade. Thats why no one wants to do it. No one wants to be a leader.

>>508855645
Not really. 3rd world nations are still working hard for progress. Maybe you fatass westerners are reaching your utopia and in need of conflict with nigger migrants to revive that survival instinct.

>>508857032
Why not just count your own country's birth rate. And exclude migrants so we'll see how wrong you are and had to import gorilla niggers to maintain your exploitable populus.

>>508861491
This is true

>>508860025
Nope, this is more of a culture. Many dense urban areas in 3rd world nations still retain a healthy birth rate. Your society decided that having children early is bad so you reap what you sow. You can't deny the fact that you educated the newer generation to think this way.

>>508854903 (OP)
thats still like 175 years from now and it peaks then to a decline. so basically its so far away in time it doesnt really matter to us.

aw sweet, a schizo thread

>>508856098
>to keep the lights on
Nah it's just rooted in the FIAT system which needs always more to even function.
Shrinking population would be great for everybody but the kikes needs slaves for their ponzi scheme

>>508861435
Um noooo
How long do you think third world has st current pace of modernization???

Pic related is Nigeria... It's just a matter of time before Africa will urbanize and fertility will crash and they simply won't need to go-to Europe... because they will have all the same shit there...and perhaps better weather

Their kids will watch teletubbies...their wives will fuck around... they Will complain abut BGC big gorilla cock...

Oh and they will....just like you...buy your goyslop for Bitcoin CBDC

I'm telling you you won't be long before they're looking around to import jeets

>>508861655
Dude it 30 years away from almost irreversibility

>>508861852
Lagos Nigeria

All cities will be the same

>>508861788
inflation is oil well depletion. your money is an energy token and jews are just keeping account. jews are fake btw. Just slick wizards with fancy stories. this thread is identifying the actual problem hiding behind your phantom

No one is doing religion. The absurdity of what people call religion today is not something I will ever consider. Just leave it at that. Its part of the tragedy. We are not just ignoring it

>>508854903 (OP)
So.. for you to survive and reproduce, there must be some difficulty? A sense of purpose?
As a jew, this is very baffling to me.

>>508857862
What do you think our utopia will look like? That horse has been beaten many times, it will be our eternal torment, we will have cameras installed in anus so that no fart goes undetected, we will envy the dead and the animals, we will pray for deliverance but nobody will come for us, we shall drink but never quench our thirst, we shall eat only to extend our meaningless existence, we shall lack the Spirit to break our shackles.
And all that because it’s but an expression of the abyss we have in us, a moronic attempt to make something flawed our reality.

We come from an abyss and that’s our destination, and only God’s unfathomable and mysterious abyss can save us from our own, understanding that many things we might not like and we try to innovate on happen for the better even if they don't look that way.

>>508859604
You can see the rise of these now:

MGTOW
NEETS
ONLYFANS WHORES
TINDER
RIOT THUGS

I think they will more and more resemble these groups

>>508862306
>>508862144

Think of the years 2000bc to say 1800ad

That's a decent stretch... People had culture and religion...their institutions too were interwoven. Children observed the nuclear family function. To death fo us part meant something. Tribes had common enemies in the tribe next door.
Even more importantly... people belonged to a world where their individual person was counted and valued !!!

Without any of that... WTF are you...WHO the fuck are you...that's right ... No one....just another nobody.

And people feel this...and don't see value in perpetuity of this emotion for new children.

Sooo I think this is another reason why narcissist EXCEL TODAY!!! and they do... because they still blindly think their value is not dilluted by population, tech and online anonymity

>>508861491
I never said anything different, I consider the world globally. There's still "room" in the system for 7-8 billions of people, mostly from Africa

>>508861926
i missed that thanks, this is really a facinating study btw

>>508862800
accoriding to my calculaons we will need a war or some sort of massive population reduction because low birth rates are just not going to cut it at this rate unless we implement feminisim in all 3rd world countries right now!

>>508861350
>Thats why no one wants to do it. No one wants to be a leader.
Hey that's actually a good reasoning there and could explain the abysmal quality of our public elites. The reasonable guys who have ideas can't be put in powerful positions by the banks and shareholders at the higher levels. Now any reasonable action would harm their scamming scheme.

Well, as a 42 yo incel my only responsibility is taking care of my father, So I should relocate and change my way of life to be able to do that and no more.

10 years ago I went too far into redundancy and solutions by technology.
My house is too complex to maintain in a degraded industrial output scenario (that is going to happen, it's already going on, we don't maintain the systems and all the shit is made on the other side of the world) it's a big mistake, I have to go back to the cabin (but made of stone, I am in Europe) with some land to grow a bit of things, i prefer fruits, low maintenance, easy to preserve.

>>508862306
All populations are subject to the urbanization effect (caused by industrialisation) even israel

>>508857903
>almost nobody has to work their asses off to produce food, most of the urban population, so most of the population is seating in front of a screen as a "job"

If its not a job you can fill out forms on your pc for 16 hours a day for 1 dollar per hour its not a job right

>>508854903 (OP)
Another mouse experiment that can explain whats going on in the world right now...

>>508863031
It will not be a war but some kind of social unrest, a "revolution" because people have nothing else to do in the end. You saw the beginning ot it with the "no kings" thing in the USA. It's the beginning of th end of the revolution that started in France in 1789. I believe that things have a beginning and an end and I believe that "revolution" will engulf western countries in chaos and cause immense changes in asian countries and will end where it begun in France

>>508863381
it's a job but it's not work. It only destroys : it destroys energy (turns electricity into heat, nothing else) it destroys materials (computer renewal, recycling is almost non existent) and it destroys time (of the "worker)
I know the reality of that, my job is to seat in front of a screen.

>>508854903 (OP)
Solid lab proof of the Malthusian Catastrophe
See
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusianism

>>508863401
Interesting where from???

>>508856098
>the EU HAS TO IMPORT THIRD WORLD
>meme flag

>>508862770
>Think of the years 2000bc to say 1800ad
something fundamental occurred at the collapse of the Bronze Age that I believe requires closer examination. This was the first occurrence of complex urbanization integrated with a global trading community. There were early signs that things were not going well like denuded areas and attempts to reform traditional religious structures. Egypt was the only civilization to survive in continuation after this event but it never truly recovered. Much of the stories we have that survived this period seem to focus on these problems (Sodom, Tower of Babel) without providing any ultimate solution. The totalizing force of monotheism that eventually became adopted by these particular communities adapted to the progress of global communities where it failed up to the bronze age. Yet here we are again

>>508864210
Exactly!!
What I'm worried about is if it all goes global...how/where can people develop a new OS religion culture anything. Amish are a great example of sustainability in this shit show... certainly not perfect but a starting point

>>508864809
it just appears obvious to me that if management of the problem were to ever occur it would require implementing religion in a real way for every way democratic law fails. I'm just imagine every law I can replace by being kind to my neighbor. Something about that works better than a complete list of all the ways I can violate it

>universe 25
HOW INTERESTING OP.

COULD YOU PERHAPS TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER 24 UNIVERSES? OR THE UNIVERSES THAT CAME AFTER? 26 AND SO ON.

OF COURSE YOU CAN'T. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS EXPERIMENT. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THEY ACTUALLY GOT THE MOUSE UTOPIA WORKING FINE IN THE END, AND THAT ALMOST NONE OF THEM FAILED LIKE UNIVERSE 25.

HOW MANY DECADES REPEATING THE SAME WRONG, TIRED INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN PRETEND THAT YOUR DOOMERISM HAS SOME KIND OF SCIENTIFIC BACKING?

AT LEAST ONE MORE, I THINK.

>>508860025
Birth rates plummeted after child labor and factory towns were abolished. Turns out people don't want kids if you can't put them to work, the way people react to having kids now is extremely similar to how people react when they hear you bought a new puppy. They used to treat kids like adults. If people ran their own production everyone would have 20 kids like the Amish, if state doesn't want labor and/or wants to run a eugenics program (much like how people do to cattle) then only a minority of people will be allowed to breed. For this reason I don't take Universe 25 very seriously from a naturalistic perspective, what happened was they gave the mice unlimited food then the mice lost their survival instincts and with it the will to live. They basically domesticated the mice and domestic animals can't live without direction.

>>508866038
a good discusion is always ruined by retards like you.

>>508866330
Why do the Amish have 20 kids and the average person doesn't? They put them to work the second they can hold a hammer. The same goes for Mexicans, they find a small apartment produce like 10 kids then send them to work illegally in Cali berry fields because the pay is terrible, but they can live decently with enough labor. I like how people think the point of reproduction is itself, that's circular reasoning. Tribal societies had high infant mortality rates and would actively limit their population if they lacked food, in agriculture society food is basically proportional to the amount of labor you produce so there's a constant need for it. It's why monogamy exists in virtually no species of great ape, because of selection. Do you honestly think animals don't select for traits? A study on big horn rams in Canada found out that 5 rams sired 60% of the brood. If you reverted back to a tribal society most men wouldn't breed, the population boom anomaly only exists post-agriculture.

>>508865786
none of the later experiments after 25 disproved the collapse scenario but rather further established the principals of overcrowding. None of his experiments after 25 was able to eliminate dysfunction, but only slightly or temporarily mitigate it by manipulating the environment. So shuffling groups around did not avoid collapse but delayed it. Simulating scarcity by limiting food did not avoid collapse but some groups adapted and equilibrium was achieved.

Either way, limited space and infinite resources seems to be the combination that was always expected to result in compete failure

>>508855645
It's happening to companies too. Once they peak. They turn into behaviour sinks and slide downwards. Dosent matter what you do. If you replace old guard and bring in fresh blood. If you pump in money to innovate.
Only time I have seen company avoiding death is when they pivot in compleatly new direction.

>>508866617
>The same goes for Mexicans
birthrates in Mexico are slightly lower than America, and in all circumstances of immigrating populations to urban areas, the birthrates will mimic local populations within just 1-2 generations. This is particularly common in Europe where immigrants will form small isolated communities where inbreeding becomes common. The UK has an epidemic of inbreeding among immigrant communities. This is like the worst case scenario for a nation of socialized healthcare and an aging population. they are just multiplying dependents. Autism rates have skyrocketed

>this whole thread

>>508854903 (OP)
It's a fallacy that immigration was ever intended to solve this problem. Dumping immigrants onto a failing system doesn't revive it, it increases the number of dependents and decreases trust while reducing the long term viability of offspring (rape victims and single moms are not good mothers)

I guess this is why western countries get unlimited migrants.

>>508867496
this is an interesting phenomena, but you can't do that with a nuclear power facility or other forms of fixed capital

>>508854903 (OP)
yah I've known about this experiment from the internet for years, and lately something new from the experiments had started happening over the past 10 years.
the part where the male mice just groom their self all day and become weak (trans women)
and the female mice became more aggressive (women becoming muscular nowadays and more aggressive)

its like our specifies evolved surviving hard life, and now we have t made with easy access to food, and things now safer than ever, plus too many people nowadays. and our species evolved to survive, it doesn't know how to function under post scarcity. people just eat their self to death now like they're going to starve, that survival instinct. also its the only thing most people have since they ban most drugs and hat cigs

>>508854903 (OP)
>it started with 4 males and females
Wouldn't inbreeding be an issue?

>>508867496
sony and microsoft have been around for quite some time now and doing pretty well. ferrari too, so many companies disprove this no?

>>508868242
>>508868071

What's disturbing is if you ask chatgpt to parallel our society and mice Utopia...it makes the same conclusions all by itself...givenit a try and post the results they are shocking...

And worse ... Out of all the mouse universes they created...none stabilized

I think humanity is going to seriously need to use the brain on this one...to avoid disasters

>>508868612
ChatGPT, seriously memeflag? GPT4 which is a LLM that's been fed human garbage from the internet made by jewish bots.

Humanity can thrive. Hell if those piece of shit africans, chinks, indians didn't die then what makes you think humans will?

Yes Gen-Zers and Gen Alphas who waste time at their PCs all day will stop reproducing not just cause there's not forced marriaged like in pajeet land, but gen-Zers cannot take care of themselves, let alone somebody else.

>>508867496
Fuck that's interesting.

Will really think on that because I know of several that have done this as well.

Perhaps there are lessons to learn from companies that survived...what did they do to survive I wonder...innovate yes...but what else...

>>508868716
Sorry what was Romanian fertility rate again?

>>508857514
I like the Denver airport

>>508868881
Still high and decent considering how many are going outside the country.

>>508860631
>followed by asexuality
Huh?

>Hypersexuality followed by asexuality
>Mental health followed by self destruction

>Rats stopped breeding due to poor social skills
Sounds like bullshit considering the amount of rats living in sewers in far bigger numbers and worse conditions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ReBJfxHjFU&ab_channel=Sprouts

>>508868382
This is a fakepost by shill. There's no such thing as a "mouse utopia". What did they do? Ask every single mouse how they liked it there? It's all bullshit.

>>508859604
>Violent outcast
Reminds me of the anon who said that as soon as society collapses he will start raping

>>508869223
>Sounds like bullshit considering the amount of rats living in sewers in far bigger numbers and worse conditions.
they don't have unlimited food they have, they have to go out to find it, struggle, fight, etc.
The mouse experiment main aspect is unlimited food access withotu any difficulty

>>508854903 (OP)
Your comment makes no sense. The problem was too many mice in a small space, how is "importing refugees" a solution?

>>508869754
>too many mice
the system was never overloaded, the mice just stopped reproducing because they went batshit crazy. that's what occurs in every city.
Our system (a pyramidal scam) "needs" growth to go on, so "elites" import population to simulate the growth

>>508869754
depopulation and aging demographics is just another way of saying collapse

>>508869986
you say this as if a negative but the elites growing it to go on. just how succesful corporations have managed to go long. are you saying its just enevidable? because the universe will end at some point and it will always be enevidable.

>>508854994
Pretty much all of the sociology "experiments" and "research" over the past 70 years had been thrown in the last 5 years. It was all bullshit from overfunded sociology departments looking to produce whatever results their grant money wanted them to produce for whatever purpose the funders wanted.

So what this experiment actually seems to mimic are coddled up special snowflake inexperienced mice who don't appreciate the good life (assuming this experiment was ever conducted since I cannot find any real videos of it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ReBJfxHjFU&ab_channel=Sprouts

but in humans' case it imics gen-Z and gen-alphas who are outright feral and passive aggressive because they get fed and ignored by their parents and taught by the internet. They don't have any social skills because they are shut-ins in their house staring at a screen 24/7 and communicating only via text or a badly-made voice chat in Discord .
So the answer is obvious; remove the internet till they're age 18+ or make the internet available only to asocial nerds.


I bet if they put experienced mice which went through life then it would take at least 10 years before newer generation went insane from being coddled too much in their safespace.

>>508870340
The new immigrants factor in not as labor or costumers, but as luggage. The countries the immigrants emigrate from pay various lobbyists and politicians under the table for the ability to ship human luggage to 1st world countries. This is human trafficking masquerading as humanitarian aid and commerce, but because it is done through political means and by countries outside the bounds of first world democracies and judicial systems there's nothing that the "host" country's population can do to prevent the elite political apparatuses from doing so. It has nothing to do with population control or corporate interests. Its just a select few individuals pocketing cash to dump humans from one economic zone to another.

>>508870836
You fell for the propaganda.
This is an experiment on mice. It has nothing bearing on humanity other than pest control.

>>508871690
Again assuming the experiment is even real. Mammals simply don't go insane like "humans" do, aka browns.

>>508871690
every population will reproduce less and less when urbanized and finally collapse. Behavioral sink can be seen in humans too : feminism, men acting like children for their entire life, fags, etc.

>>508854903 (OP)
>Look up the numbers it's 100% true
No. Mouse Utopia was different in many ways to human society, endless resources for one.

>>508871917
We have endless resources, we are far from scarcity, especially in cities. Nobody has nay problem getting too much food.

>>508854994
>>508855645
>>508855697
>>508856934
>>508857618
>>508868071

The experiment has never been successfully replicated. Every other 'mouse utopia' stays that way.

>>508854903 (OP)
4 males and 4 females only, the genetic pool was to little, so after a while everybody turns a genetic trash, burger science is a joke

>>508871843
Explain things like the dodo bird and galapagos turtles, or really any other dominant island species like the kamodo dragon. Populations don't collapse and the rat utopia collapsed because of genetic bottlenecks in the original population. Yet other bottlenecks don't effect species in founder effect populations. The reason is incestuous relations which any retard could have foreseen including the guy who set up the experiment. He had a point to prove and used his own circle jerk experiment with a little logical and rhetorical fallacy to sell it.

And people still to this day buy his bullshit.

>>508861435
>3rd world nations are still working hard for progress
lmfao

>>508872516
>Populations don't collapse
they do when their environnement fails to support them, they do because they overshoot the capacity, and for humans, they do when they urbanize.

for the US counties

>>508857422
Or, in other words, an urban environment.

>>508872656
No

for Finland

>>508854903 (OP)
Israel is all blown up and shot up and so all is well in the world. This is the website with the word that will finish the dagger hit job. Words.

And Perfect Proof Pol Pictures.

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>>508872862
Yes they do. It's everywhere and for all civilizations, Romans complained about that.

>>508871690
but mice have been succesfully used to better human medicine for ever, hell they even grew a penis on one i beleive.

>>508872311
is it ok?

>>508854903 (OP)
This experiment was never reproduced with the same results. It was made up.

>>508872824
>>508872867
They're called boomers.
You lack scope.

>>508873083
>but mice have been succesfully used to better human medicine for ever
And yet here we are, not mice but men.

>>508873053
Just retarded roman things.
The Roman's had there own problems, but like I said you lack scope. Given that you're a frog it doesn't surprise me.

>>508873445
>The Roman's had there own problems
all civilizations do the same, every country goes to that phase now, you are denying evidence, well, it's not a problem, there's no solution and social collapse will occur in many decades yo ucan live your life like you want

>>508873182
>They're called boomers.
and population ages because it becomes more and more urbanized so less reproduction to replace the old people.

>>508873143
It was though. He built over 100 of them.

I wonder what you gain by denying that human population is collapsing ? We don't give a fuck, there's unlimited free money, unlimited energy, the world will just get older and older and slower and slower because of the IQ drop when whites will disappear...

>>508873746
you youself said it needs to be sitmulized no? if whites create a an iq drop then non whites will be stimulized to gain iq and replace?

>>508873600
>you are denying evidence
Im not denying evidence. What im saying is that the "evidence" is grossly misinterpreted to prove a point. What im saying is that the "evidence" isn't evidence and that the theory put forward that it is evidence is in itself just a pathological fallacy.

>>508873629
Old people dying and populations shinking doesn't cause population collapse.

The only thing the rat utopia proved is that if you fuck your kids enough times their genetics will become so inbred that they well no longer be fertile.

>>508854994

Someone ISSSSS
Running it you Dunce.
Take a look around...

>>508859774
You're the perfect example of a buck broken mouse

>>508855645
Nature keeps track of useless redundancy and now that everyone on pol is a China and Iran shill with the same taking points, we're redundant and unnecessary.

>>508854903 (OP)
This experiment (much like the telemarketing gayop revolving around the mystery goo injections) is functionally just a mirror: dysgenic creature divorced from their nature force other creatures into a dysgenic mode of existence.

The lessons to be learned in both cases:
>1) Whoever controls a relationship or environment shapes all that resides in it in his own image -- you can't teach what you don't understand.
>2) Surrogate debtcattle incurs personal debt in worthless magic paper and lifetime, arch-debtcattle incurs technological and civilizational debt.

>>508872311
It kinda shows the future of jews.