>pizzeria workers would make $78 an hour under socialism
Tell me again how capitalism is so great.

So why don't the manual laborers just do all the intellectual labor of managing a business too? Then they could start their own business that pays $78 an hour.

The workers didn't take on any risk or initiative building a business up. They just showed up. Why should they be entitled to the fruits of someone else's efforts? And why would anyone make an effort starting a business if they don't get to benefit from it?

>>508872634 (OP)
kys

>>508872634 (OP)
yeah but the owner provides tools, infrastructure, marketing, business, etc

>>508872634 (OP)
Why don't they go 1 step further and reduce prices overall so that the customers have more money left to spend?

>>508872634 (OP)
deportation incoming?

>>508872634 (OP)
>does nothing
start your own pizzeria then

They would make zero dollars.
Because they would be unemployed.
Or it goes the other route, where everyone will be millionaires. Which sounds nice, unless you have an actual clue on what money is and realise that loaves of bread cost 3 million each.

>>508872634 (OP)
just set the minimum wage to a million then everyone will be rich

Why do people act like managing a business isn't a high stress job?
Talk to a small business owner sometime.

>>508872766
/thread

The business owner did the higher value work, so he earned more.

>>508872775
>>508872766
so what
give me all the money
kill the niggers and jews
it's that simple
I want to be rich by doing nothing
and I want jews and niggers to die
simple as
get your heads out of your asses already

>>508872634 (OP)
>be owner
>pay workers $78/h
>charge $115/pizza
>profit
problem?

It's almost like ALL wage workers are being exploited to the exclusive benefit of the ownership class or something.

>>508872959
This is unironcially how socialists think the economy works. XD

Well spotted!

>>508873006
If you don't like it, own your own pizza parlor

>>508872634 (OP)

NO WE MUST SQUEEZE EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS AND WORKER FOR THE MAXIMUM PROFITS POSSIBLE SO BOOMERS CAN GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM THEIR INFLATED INVESTMENTS AND IF ANY INDUSTRY FAILS THEN MAKE SURE TO BAIL IT OUT WITT TAX MONEY SO THE ECONOMY CAN NEVER SELF CORRECT

YAY FUCKING BOOMERS!!!!

>>508872766
The intellectual labors not really a big deal. Taking on a ton of debt/putting up the capital and all the risk is.

Damn that's a lot of money, i'm sure they all quit the next day and went to make their own pizzerias.

>>508872766
>intellectual labor
Like fucking what? Buying pepperoni and paying taxes? Every fucking Pedro and Cleetus owns their own yard care or roofing company too. This isn't some electrical engineering startup or some shit, it's making pizza nigger.

>>508873068
its better to incentivize programs that help uplift the community than raise the minimum wage you fucking moron.

you are basically killing freelance by raising it. making the only thing sustainable a boring 9-5 job.

"all profits" also means the money that would be put towards the business itself to buy more ingredients, keep the lights on, pay the rent, and later expand the business.
Owners don't receive all of the profits, a lot of it goes elsewhere.
>t. pizza shop owner

>>508872922
now they can afford to... well after they take that new found wealth and put their lives back together which might take a few years so that pizzeria doesn't lose his employees and feel cheated himself.
It's almost as if in a functioning society it self perpetuates success

>>508873328
You'd be surprised how dumb the average food worker is.

>>508873328
If you're so uppity about it, start your own, too. Or boycott pizza for life. Spoiler: you'll do neither, and you'll be happy.

>>508873328
Screening out retards like you whilst hiring is intellectual labor.

Who pays for a new oven if the old one breaks? The employees? Lol

>>508873437
No, that's revenue, retard.

>>508873410
The best thing you could possibly do is this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmcmauM78FE

>>508872634 (OP)
Bread would cost $50

>>508872634 (OP)
If it weren't for capitalism, chefs wouldn't have innovated and invented pizza.

>>508872766
Oyyyyyy veyyyyyyy

>>508873109
>If you don't like the banking system, just start your own bank

Simplistic retard. Your sort will eat it up anyway. I already get paid more than the pizza-slingers on either end, but you'll hinge on this "muh poor small business" fallacy to the end to justify bullshit compensation fixed across the economy and kept in check by that environment. Go on, quote some Austrian model-world assumptive bullshit to me to explain why wages should be consistently suppressed while the economy grows exponentially anyway.

>>508873718
>t.

>>508872634 (OP)
>gives away all the day's revenue to the employees
Dumbfucks, you'll just be paying for the dough tomorrow with money from your paychecks.

>>508873437
You're demonstrating why you're fucking worthless.
Costs like resupplying on ingredients, paying the power bills, paying the rent and other expenses like that come out of the revenue. The profit is what remains AFTER you've done things like this.
You own a fucking pizza shop and don't even know the difference between revenue and profit. Unfuckingbelievable. Fire yourself.

>>508872634 (OP)
It's a capitalist society. If you know how to make pizza, why don't you just make and sell them?

>>508873328
Go ahead, it’s so easy. Make your pizzeria

>>508872766
>>508873485
That really kills the commie argument. If it was so easy, most businesses would be cooperatives. It's not like this isn't allowed.

>>508873718
the real economy isnt actually growing. Electricity production(until EVs and AI took off but thats a lateral transfer not more energy used overall), gdp per capita, industrial output, etc have all been stagnant since 2008. the real problem is that the dollars you are paid with are constantly losing value.

>>508873594
While you are correct, I think the numbers in the OP image also refers to revenue.

>>508872634 (OP)
Okay then why don't they just start their own pizza place?

>>508872634 (OP)
>the owner didn't pay to buy all of the machinery, didn't organize it all so it can run like this, didn't take a risk on the investment of the store, doesn't pay to buy ingredients, doesn't pay the rent/utilities of the building
>nope, it's all just the terribly hard work of making pizzas out of magically appearing ingredients and putting them into magically appearing ovens in a store that's magically set up for them

>>508873718
tl;dr
worthless people get slightly more than worthless rewards. And this is being generous.
Cope

Wasn't this experiment done with revenue not with profit?
It's complete dogshit either way but it is a lot more deceiving when you understand that the owner paid for the employees and all the material/other costs

Five hundred dollar pizza?
Fuck yeah surf the Kali Yuga Comrad.

>>508874073
Even if it was profit, thinking you should be compensated based on the value your position produces rather than how easy it is to replace you is toddler tier smooth brain

>>508873437
Go ahead and look up the word profits in a dictionary

>>508873923
Real economy is actual dogshit, 25% of Americans are functionally unemployed but the Official Gov #'s don't represent that.
Basically the US has turned into a bunch of
MegaCorps who have indirect or direct access to Federal Reserve's money printer. This is precisely why things keep going up despite consumers struggling. Instead of providing a service and earning a profit, they just steal the value of your dollar which is expressed through asset inflation, the assets they hold, go up in value as the dollar is trashed. This is the new paradigm.

>>508873847
It's highly unlikely for the pizza shop to cover expenses AND pay $80 an hour, he probably split the days take and plans to cover rent etc out of the operating budget

>>508872775
>Why should they be entitled to the fruits of someone else's efforts?
Typical jewish rhetoric. It's not entitlement and has nothing to do with the fruits of another's efforts. Staff do work, and they are paid for that work. The only question is that of degree - namely, what is the value of that work?
>And why would anyone make an effort starting a business if they don't get to benefit from it?
More jewish tactics. It's not all or nothing, jew. Business owners certainly benefit under the current framework. Again, it's a question of degree. How much benefit is fair when those owners need their workers to staff the business for it to exist in the first place? The cries and the plight of thr business owner fall on deaf ears when all of the profits aggregate at the top and workers on a full time job live paycheck to paycheck

>>508874198
the welfare state is the main reason it exists. Corporations benefitting from it is a symptom not the problem in and of itself.

>>508872634 (OP)
>the owner
>who does nothing
These creatures are far beyond retarded. It boggles the mind. Truly

>>508874286
>basic reasoning is jewish
Lol

>>508872634 (OP)
Okay, so we all just have to find someone to build a business and give it to us for free.

>>508872978
>oy vey, us chosen do the heavy.lifting goy
Kys kike

>>508872634 (OP)
Oh this shit again, it wasn't profits for the day it was the revenue for the day.

Its one thing to put a cap for a thread but it is another thing to not include the timestamp.

>>508872634 (OP)
>>pizzeria workers would make $78 an hour under socialism
But the pizzas they 'sold' would cost $780+ to purchase

>>508874511
>only Jews aren't doing manual labor
Lol
Lmao

>>508874476
>thinking that jewish overlords are entitled to all of the profits and the goy slaves can eat cake is "basic reasoning"
lol

>>508872634 (OP)
While I do agree people should take more money, you can't put ALL profit into worker's wages. Your business needs overhead for investment/emergencies/things like that.

>>508874198
This is the case. The actual unemployment might be even higher.

>>508872634 (OP)
>the owner did nothing
that's an assumption. for all you know he saved up money for 10 years so he could finance the place.
and during the day he has to keep check on everything. the bank accounts, suppliers and their stock, fucking roadwork in front of his joint that could stop customers from entering and so on. in the end he's responsible for everything.

also a good boss doesn't just take 90% of the profits back home, he invests in the restaurant or saves it for a rainy day.
if the roof starts leaking he has to pay to get it fixed. if they got a new product he has to pay for flyers so that people know about it. if another covid hits he might have to pay his employees out of his own pocket to retain them.

Tell me again why these "workers" don't just start their own pizza restaurant and keep all the profit if it's so easy...

The owner does "nothing" except keep the supplies stocked, advertise the business, run payroll, manage staffing, etc.

Anyone crying about their boss doing "nothing" can just start their own shop. This is such a doofus whine.

>>508873328
> it’s so easy to run a business anon
> I don’t own one but i can tell anyone can do it
> what, I have to risk hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of hard work to even start making a profit?
Stfu faggot. I’m a business owner and I fire workers like you. Stay poor

>>508872634 (OP)
awww look at all the cute little wage piggies defending their owners online! good piggies, good!
don't be late on rent this month, or you know what will happen.
t. picrel

>>508874691
>strawman and emotional buzzwords
Another Jewish tactic. You think you heebs would be better at this by now

>>508874692
>While I do agree people should take more money,
Why

>>508872634 (OP)
why don't the workers all just quit and set up a pizza making co-operative where they're all paid equally?
hard mode: they don't get any of the owner's property, contracts or funds for free

>>508872634 (OP)
Good fucking luck convincing Americans too do anything but cheer on being eternally exploited by those above them in the name of "muh bootstraps". There's nothing the people of this country hate more than being shown they're being absolutely had by kikes and greedy fucks.

>>508872766
Yep. If someone wants to make the argument that the balance of pay should be adjusted, I can accept that. Most rational people don't have an issue with owners / C-Levels making more money; they take the risk and the expectation is that they spend more time working on building the company (frequently NOT the case, but we're talking about a perfect world, here). But can we balance it out so that those at the top don't make 1000x their employees? If the average salary is something like $100k at a business, then the CEO making $500k, bonus included, I don't have a problem with that. Hell, if he's actually GOOD and grows the company resulting in higher salaries, give him a million. But they don't need to make a hundred times that, not when the employees' salaries stagnate.

>>508874589
I was gonna say, the profit margins for restaraunts are pitiful, 1-5% is the norm for a restaraunt vs 10-20% for other small businesses
>>508874714
Im trying to get a loan to buy a machine shop. holy fuck running a business is hard

>>508874746
If you don't hit your post quota does Putin put the radioactive material in your tea himself? Or does he delegate that

"The Workers" would make dick, the pizzeria would close, and people would be sick and starving because they don't actually know how to run a business
>1pbtid
Sage all fields

>>508874820
>exploited
Mental child

>>508872766
>>508872775
Maybe you don't deserve a ferrari because you own a shitshack fast food joint and should pay people properly.

>>508874261
>>508874073
>>508872634 (OP)
$80 per hour comes to an annual salary of ~$165,000. That might be the profit for the entire business for the full year, which he allotted to each employee as a bonus.

>>508874286
itz
>DA JOOOOOOOZ

>>508874859
>). But can we balance it out so that those at the top don't make 1000x their employees? If
Solve the actual problem and this wont be an issue

>>508872634 (OP)
lol Why is this article attacking a small pizza shop.
Do Walmart, Blackrock, McDonalds.
This isn't a fairness article, it's a hit piece on small businesses

>>508873904
only mr. shecklestein can get approval on his small business loan application.

So who paid for the ingredients for the next day of work?

>>508873847
worth more than you. Which one of us has a pizza oven in their house, and a brand new (to me) 1998 Toyota Rav4 parked in their garage?
Oh yeah, me.

>>508874983
>This isn't a fairness article, it's a hit piece on small businesses
Obvi

>>508874990
>imma invent my own head canon to cope with my current station

>>508872775
>The workers didn't take on any risk or initiative building a business up
The business could fail tomorrow and it's the workers who build it and maintain it every single day. That's enough risk and responsibility

>>508872634 (OP)
Nigger, what are you even asking? Capitalism made them $78/hr that day.

>>508875037
>Which one of us has a pizza oven in their house, and a brand new (to me) 1998 Toyota Rav4 parked in their garage?
In current year I can't tell if ironic or actual attempt at flex

>>508872634 (OP)
They shouldn't be making that much. But that proves the gap could be much smaller. If they were paid 20-25$ they could own things and rhe owner could still make more than the workers.

>>508875092
>describes constant risk to owners
>That's enough risk
You're real stupid

>>508872634 (OP)
Do you understand how fucking stressful it is to be responsible for the operation of a business. Spreading sauce and sprinkling cheese involves near zero mental anguish involved in operating a business. If you think otherwise then you’ve never done it.

>>508875037
>>508873847
Also, the money that remains still goes towards ingredients, power, rent because the restaurant does not consistently bring in the same amount of money each week.
There are entire months where I'm dipping into the business savings to pay employees because, believe it or not, there are slow periods. I need to keep money on retainer for those slow times like winter when we shut down deliveries.

>>508874870
>Im trying to get a loan to buy a machine shop. holy fuck running a business is hard

b-b-b-b-ut all the commies on this site say it's easy and you only have to do "nothing" while taking all the profit!

>>508875167
>could be much smaller.
How often do you go into a store and voluntarily pay more than the price tag?

>>508874969
When you're advocating for Mr. Goldbergstein to keep all of the profits and let his goy slaves work for peanuts, then yeah... itz da jooz

>>508874859
>they don't need
And who are you to say what people need? Get tucked commie

>>508874506
In Socialism you just steal the business - but yea, essentially.

>>508872634 (OP)
>profit
Bullshit, it's gross intake.

So who paid for the pizza supplies for tomorrow if the workers got every last cent?

>>508872634 (OP)
>turned over all profits.
>$78 hour
Imagine not understanding the business wouldn't exist or grow without profits.
The owner also has no money, so who runs the business? Fucking retards don't understand how an economy works

>>508874286
Imagine being as stupid as you.
What a nightmare

>hey, why are we all making $0.0 an hour? Hmm. It’s a real mystery. Perhaps it has something to do with the owner of a business having not started up that business yet, or maybe he has but he hasn’t hired me to do the work he’s willing to pay me an agreed upon wage for at HIS business, which I have the option to do or not do
Go away midwit commie imbecile

>>508872766
>>508872783
>>508873145
>>508873437
>>508875105
>"anon boyfriend I just can't. This emotional labor is too much. I know you work 16 hours a day but I had to listen to you grieve about your dead father for 30 whole minutes... be better."

>>508874073
that pizzeria thing happened a few years ago and yes, the workers got ALL revenue and tips. they made an average of $34 per order

>>508872634 (OP)
>$78 an hour
so what would a pizza cost? $130 bucks for a large?

>>508875328
>pizza supplies
>insurance
>taxes
>property lease
>advertising/marketing
That's why he only did it for one day.

>>508873847
There's technical terms that the article does not mention so there's naturally confusion.
Profit is what you bring in after selling your shit.
Net profit is what you bring in after selling your shit after covering the costs.
The article doesn't mention this so we can only make assumptions.
It's ambiguous and isn't settled by using "all profits", which is still ambiguous.

>pol is ok with the owner normally making $68/hr extra off each employee normally
they could realistically be paid $40/hr and still be getting ripped off

>>508875260
>gibs me dat fo free

>>508872634 (OP)

OP is fake and gay and the news station reporting on the pizzeria is fake and gay, as per usual. The owner shared all *revenue* for a single day with his employees. Retarded faggot nigger commies like OP can't distinguish between revenue and profit, as per usual:

https://people.com/human-interest/ohio-pizzeria-owner-gives-full-days-profits-to-employees-to-show-appreciation/

>>508874511
>only jews can start businesses and provide people the CHOICE to work at them or not
Durrrr

>>508872634 (OP)
Who initially invested and took the risk to create the conditions/possibility/ materials for said revenue? Who uses said profits to maintain, expand and improve said business on every single other day of the week?

>>508875448
You're fucking stupid

>>508872634 (OP)

>>508875174
I explained exactly why workers have risk too, I'm sorry you're too brain damaged to understand

>>508875553
>explained exactly why workers have risk too,
No, you did not. You explained why owners have the most risk

>>508872634 (OP)
if pizza workers pooled their money together to build a pizza place, they would end up with a wooden shack.

The owner goes into financial risk to open and operate the pizza place, the employees should be happy to have someone create jobs. Otherwise they can go straight to the forest again.

>>508872978
it is a valid criticism of the idea. you never see worker owned businesses like that. they would all eventually leave their worker roles and hire people for less lol.

a more valid approach is profit-sharing.

>>508874727
lol im a farmer and get summer workers who are out of university for summer and they say shit like that all the time so i show them the FSA(farm service agency) form 2001, 2002, 2003, 2021, 2034, 2035, etc, etc, that go into crop production reports, loan requests, young farmers grant program, prepaid crop insurance, small business innovation and research grants, etc and tell them i'll sell them 5-10 acres and help them package the loan/financial paperwork so they can start their own...only 2 people have gone for it, neither followed through to the end of the process.

Why don't pizzas just cost less? This stupid shit is why I have to make my own pizza. I could pay someone else, but they'll make it worse than I would and they won't offer the good toppings, they'll cheap out on ingredients, probably cut it wrong. It's better to just do shit yourself, economies of scale and specialization are bullshit.

>>508875657
>more valid approach is profit-sharing.
So make a pizza joint that does that

>>508875210
>mfw I have to be an accountant, engineer, IT guy, machinist, nigger and cleetus tard wrangler, public speaker and marketer even though im autistic and a manager
I CANT ESCAPE THIS HELL

>>508875432
You don't even need to go that far with the question as that's far too advanced for them, I simply want them to answer who paid for the pizza supplies for tomorrow. That's the most basic thing you need to keep the business running and all the pizza supplies money was given to the workers.

>>508872634 (OP)
If this is true why are so many pizzerias going out of business all of the time?

>>508875700
>economies of scale and specialization are bullshit.
Oh no, he's retarded :(

>>508872783
This. He lost me at the owner does nothing.

They have no idea how to make something work. Also who is going to pay the bills and do the admin? The local pizza place back home the owner worked in the kitchen and did all that. Fuck this guy.

>>508874887
what does my post have to do with putin, dear brainlet?

>The owner of a pizza shop in Ohio gave his >employees the full day's earnings to show his >gratitude for them.
>"On July 5, a total of $6,300 in sales and >$1,200 in tips were made through 220 orders >to Heavenly Pizza. The total sales and tips >were split evenly among the staff, resulting in >each employee earning the equivalent of $78 >per hour."

Unless they're not explaining it correctly the story is dishonest. He split the daily take among the employees, NOT the profit. Profit would be after deducting from the total take of the day ... daily average cost of (not counting salaires) electricity, gas, rent, insurance, ingredients, supplies, maintenance, repairs, taxes, .....

And wait ... 6300 + 1200 = 7500
7500/78 = 96.15 ... this pizzaria has 96 employees?

>>508875533
>noo stop doing basic math

>>508872634 (OP)
I don’t know but you can start a work owned business if you want. Most workers are too stupid to do this.

>>508875372
This really isn't that hard to understand if you have above 70 IQ and use a little bit of brain power to look at this with the nuance it deserves instead of making this a retarded false binary. No one is saying owners aren't entitled to profits. No one is saying they shouldn't be rewarded for starting the business. But ONCE AGAIN, it's a question of DEGREE. Should entrepreneurs be raking in millions while full time owners live paycheck to paycheck? In what world do you advocate for that? You're so happy to talk about how the workers need the owner or the job wouldn't exist, but the inverse is also true - the owner needs workers or his business won't exist. They need each other.
>pay me an agreed upon wage for at HIS business, which I have the option to do or not do
And when business owners all conspire to set their wages at the same point, you don't have the freedom to choose that you seem to suggest.

>>508872634 (OP)
>under socialism
What is a co-operative?

>>508872634 (OP)
under socialism there would be no pizza

>>508875762
>Putin has nostalgia boner for USSR
>previous post was disingenuous commie propaganda
Dots connect

You could start your own pizza place its not that hard, its not like starting Amazon from scratch

>>508875797
>but other number more bigger!
Lmao holy fuck you're even more stupid than I thought

>>508872634 (OP)
On slow days let the employees share the costs by paying the bills.
lol if the workers got rid of the owner the place would tank due to squabbling and lack of direction, like all socialist-run businesses.

>>508874859
farm hands salaries shouldn't continuously rise, low skill jobs have a finite ceiling for pay/benefits because they are just that, low skill jobs...if the wetbacks who work on my farm could do amortization tables and complete loans i'd pay them like office staff, but they can't , so I won't, and I'll keep making 30-50x their wages while i'm at it

>>508872634 (OP)
Ok but where would they get the building, the kitchen, the delivery vehicles, the ingredients, the marketing?

>>508874286
my nigger communism is inherently jewish concept, bolsheviks were jews, karl marx was a jew, lenin was a jew. Are you just being facetious or are you really this fucking dumb?

that has to be THE most niggerlicious thing I've read today

>>508875769
96 employees putting in 1 hour or 8 employees putting in 12?

>>508873904
>If it was so easy, most businesses would be cooperatives. It's not like this isn't allowed.
True but the thing is unless you’re already wealthy, you need loans and/or investors to start a business. And the people who have the access to that money don’t want to give it to you for anything less than a share of control over your business. To “protect their investment”, you see.

So really, no, you can’t. But your overall sentiment, sarcastic as it is, is still correct. We as a society should focus harder on making the formation of worker-owned enterprises more viable.

>>508875700
>Why don't pizzas just cost less
This, they are super overpriced. It's bread, sauce, cheese and some toppings and the non chain places around me want damn near $30 for that, fuck that. My grocery store sells precooked frozen crusts imported from Italy for $3 each. I can handle spreading sauce and cheese on it.

>>508875690
How much for 10 acres and what hardiness zone.

>>508875847

>>508875886
>y-you’re stupid
Bahahaha

>>508875808
>But ONCE AGAIN, it's a question of DEGREE.
And once again you refuse to accept this is decided by the market. Probably because the market has decided you don't get very much

>>508874746
>money should be free
>flag
Back in the bread line and then home to your concrete commieblock with all your other faceless and destitute vodkanigger commie serfs

>>508875940
lmao those niggers don't even know how to spell capital expenditures or operating costs

I'm not saying a pizza restaraunt owner shouldn't get his hands dirty, but you wouldn't believe how difficult it is to manage even 2 retards, let alone 13 cynical retards that can barely show up for work on time, let alone that you are in a constant cycle of at least 7 of those retards disappearing each month for no reason whatsoever and having to replace them.

>>508872634 (OP)
Who's going to pay the mortgage/rent? Who's going to pay for all the kitchen equipment?

>>508875941
Their new meta is insisting communism/socialism are anti Semitic kek

>>508875964
9b and if irrigated 4,500/acre, non irrigated 1,500-2,500 depending on road frontage

>>508875808
>the owner needs workers or his business won't exist
What is a sole proprietary?

>>508875597
>moving the goalpost of someone else's argument
that's just fantastic

>>508875988
>>y-you’re stupid
Yes. Intensely, profoundly stupid.

>>508875748
There's no free lunch anon, scaled up production doesn't provide better value to consumers because in order to scale the product is cheapened in quality. Then the cheap product is competing against higher quality products, so the price remains inflated, resulting in consumers overpaying for lower quality goods.

>>508872766
Check'd and business pilled. Pizza places don't spontaneously grow out of the ground. At some point someone had to make the decision to spend their money on building that rather than going on a vacation. The workers don't have to risk anything to go work there and lose nothing if the business goes under.

>>508875964
we grow maize, milo (sorghum, have to call it milo for reporting purposes), cotton, and just got into indoor specialty produce like mushrooms and hydroponic tomato's

>>508875808
Most of us arent making millions though. Wanna know what happens to your bottom line when a 7 axis CNC machining center commits sedoku because cleetus fucked up the g code?
>>508875828
if socialists werent lazy niggers they would be successful enough to not be socialist anymore

>>508872634 (OP)
I 100% guarantee it was revenue, not profits. Does anyone really think he prorated his mortgage/rent, taxes, insurance, etc. against the daily revenue? I worked in pizza shops in college, they aren’t making that much money.

>>508875941
No one is advocating for communism
>oy vey are you suggesting that the SUPERIOR BUSINESS OWNERS should not receive ALL of the profits????? M-M-M-MUH COMMUNISM!!!!!!!!!!!
You are the jew here

>>508875964
we used to do rice but are paid now not to farm it/keep our fields fallow

>>508876093
>>moving the goalpost
>idk what this means but I saw it on reddit so I hope it works!
Kill yourself

>>508872634 (OP)
The workers didn't buy the equipment
The workers didn't buy the ingredients
The workers don't pay the rent/mortgage for the property
The workers don't pay the utilities
The workers don't pay for insurance

>>508872634 (OP)
>Profits
>All employees earned $78 ph
As a business owner I'd be interested on seeing a breakdown on that including tax, running costs, and growth investment and projections.
Also curious if he has the balls to do it on a day when the business runs in a negative and charge the staff for working there.

>>508872766
>intellectual labor of managing a pizzeria
Wew lad

>>508875954
Yeah, nevermind ... I'm a retard. Still, the article doesn't say anything about deducting any of the costs to run the business.

>>508874990
>juden and only juden own businesses on this planet
Who are you brainlet commie sodomites?

>>508876080
Useless semantics. We're speaking generally here, anon. Yes there are small businesses that can operate solo, but that's obviously not what we're talking about here

>>508876099
>I have no argument
>maybe if I keep calling them stupid it’ll work

>>508876109
You described half of how the market works but just stopped, don't be dumb. If quality goes down and price doesn't, buyers will probably not buy. So either price will come down, or quality goes up, or the product stops existing. That's all there is to it. But pretending scale and specialization don't affect this is retarded

>>508876180
you are advocating for Communism, you're just too fucking dumb to even know it. Also originally the owners were white, hence why it benefited them to depose the owners. You're just being a kike and claiming not to be.

>>508876221
its not the day to day stuff its solving the catastrophic accidents that happen more than you might think

>>508872634 (OP)
>the owner does nothing
let's differentiate between someone running their own business who does a shit ton and a globohomo corp executive who doesnt actually do much of anything except sell his fellow man out for globohomo

>>508876180
>No one is advocating for communism
>t. Bunker cuck advocating for communism

>>508873192
>>508873328
>>508873904
>>508875092
>Risk management is a nothingburger.
thats all i need to know to imagine the kind of loser you are.
>>508874859
The only reasonable anti CEO post in this whole thread.
>>508874286
a pizza cook or a burger flipper shouldn't be paid the same as an engineer or a medic, faggot.
>>508872797
This, i dont know why is it so hard to understand that CEOs (not jewish ones) had to risk capital over an idea of a business. Most business ideas don't make it through the first year. The lower echelons dont have to risk anything to get a wage. So... should the wages be higher? sure. Should a burger flipper or a pizza cook make 78 an hour? no, not even close.

>>508876220
It wasn’t profits, there is no way he calculated profit and paid it out, he just paid out his net sales. See >>508876176

>>508872634 (OP)
>leftist doesn't understand basic economics: the thread

>>508872634 (OP)
Capitalism involves you acquiring and then renting your assets out to "employees". The boss acquired capital for the sole purpose of starting a business. Those employees could never produce that much "cash in hand" to
>Pay rent/taxes, maintain, or insure the business space
>buy the oven(s) and equipment
>pay to train their coworkers
>advertise
>can't afford to hire a "business" manager to do the bosses job

>>508875603
You sound scared. You should be.

>>508872634 (OP)

>be communist pizza shop
>give 100% of profit to workers
>feels good man
>open next day
>out of flour, tomato sauce and cheese
>have no money to buy more
>everyone is unemployed now
>dies of starvation
>"real communism has never been tried before"

>>508872634 (OP)
Why do they think the owner does nothing? Haven't they ever managed a business?

>>508876291
i'm betting the entire things cost was couched as a public relations expense then deducted with the rest of advertising/marketing

>>508872634 (OP)
Restaurant margins are razor thin

>>508876334
>retard runs up screaming, shits in his hands and rubs it on his face while singing the Blues Clues mail song
>what the fuck what a fucking retard
>hurrdurr u no argument
Lol

>>508876191
>owners are entitled to X because they did Y and Z in their entirety
>no, workers contributed significantly to Y and Z so they should be partially entitled to X too
This is the argument, faggot. "most" =/= "all". Before replying like a fucking retard to another person's reply chain at least understand the fucking starting point

>>508874286
dude, not reading all that commie drivel. You stink man. Go take a shower and actually try to do something in your life instead of being a leech and a parasite on everyone else.

FUCKING. LOSER. :) Be ashamed of yourself.

>>508876382
Engineers make at least 2x as much as medics buddy

>>508876172
>Most of us arent making millions though. Wanna know what happens to your bottom line when a 7 axis CNC machining center commits sedoku because cleetus fucked up the g code?
As a fellow programmer of CnC's this tickled me good.

>>508872775
>it's okay for the owner to take 80% of all of the profit because muh risk
He could easily afford to pay his employees $30 an hour, but won't, because he's a massive faggot.

>>508876501
>irrelevant insults
>still no argument
Embarrassing

>>508875838
>Putin has nostalgia boner for USSR
about as much as elon musk is a nazi. see, he lives in your head rent free, but you need to pay your rent in time as I said.
meanwhile, piggies in the comments have no education, no healthcare and soon will not even have their shitty jobs. both me and them love this! me because I can afford all of these things, and they because that's the kind of obedient little piggies they are. I love them so much it's unreal

>>508872634 (OP)
Those workers should start their own collective pizza place

>>508875657
>a more valid approach is profit-sharing.
I am very in favor of companies giving their employees stock options; however, you cannot give the receptionist at your business the ability to make decisions for the whole company.

Honestly, long-term, loyal employees should be given stock options at the company they work for. The amount they are offered should be determined by their seniority and potential promotion opportunity.

I.e. the receptionist should get stock options, but they should be relatively small and infrequent, while your star employee who is being groomed for leadership should be given larger and more frequent stock options.

>>508873192
Ive ran a business. It's fucking stressful. You can never clock out.

>>508876472
that or he's trying to pad his good will account

>>508876037
You create an environment where the people on whom your business utterly depends have no investment in it and no care for it. You did this to make sure you got to keep a few extra shekels for yourself. Nobody feels sorry for you, you made the bed you are sleeping in.

>>508876522
>workers contributed significantly to Y and Z so they should be partially entitled to X too
And this is totally, completely wrong.

>>508876346
>>508876377
I'm not advocating for communism. It's my argument - I know what I support and what I don't. You're all just so co-opted by jewish messaging and you see everything in such a basic binary system that you see anything that moves the needle slightly more in favor of the worker as "MUH COMMUNISM." You're useful idiots doing the work of your masters.

>>508876547
>still rubbing shit in face
Checks out

>>508872766
retards start businesses just fine

>>508872783
KYS?
Kiss your sister?

>>508876552
>more commie screeching
Lol

>>508875808
> But ONCE AGAIN, it's a question of DEGREE
No it’s not, idiot.

You can accept the job offer at the rate the owner offers or you can refuse it.
You may also start your own business.
Employment is a contract entered into by two sides, two consensual sides.
Don’t like the pay? Don’t take the job.
Simple as

>>508876529
>>508876614

>>508872634 (OP)
yet another way to look at it would be "if the workers got rid of the owner, they would have no job, so they would all make $0 per hour"

>>508876522
If the worker thinks they aren’t getting what they’re entitled to then they shouldn’t work there. It’s fair because they voluntarily agreed, not because they mathematically are getting exactly what they deserve. Calculating exactly how much each person deserves across all of society and trying to correct it is insane and impossible.

>>508876614
>m not advocating for communism
>xir posts while demanding communism

>>508876065
>>508876130
>>508876190
Yeah sorry. I kinda understand why none of them wanna do it now. I couldn't stand to live in the deep south and tie myself to the land. Too humid and hot.

>>508872634 (OP)
Does this count cost of the ingredients
or cost of the lease or insurance
or the cost of any of the licenses they need
or, you know, taxes?

>>508876567
lol i built an apartment inside of one of my farm buildings just because i never leave...660 square feet full kitchen and bathroom w/shower

>>508872775
>>508875092
To quote the bad man; gamblers take on risk, but no one praises them for it.

If anything the workers are much less insulated against the failure of the business since they'll have much lower liquid reserves, often living paycheck to paycheck. The owner will have savings in most cases, or he'll even be able to sell the business as it fails. If he does sell, 100% of whatever proceeds he gets will go to him. The workers will be told to get on unemployment benefits.

So all we have left is initiative; but does /pol/ really believe that the reason workers don't just start their own pizza shop is because they're uniquely lazy? Or is it because they can't get loans that big or investments that deep? Look into the personal histories of the Warren Buffets and Elon Musks of the world, and you always find family or friends who dropped a 7 figure loan on them to get them started. If you don't have the middle class equivalent of that at the very least, a daddy who can pinch hit $50k, how are you supposed to buy the oven? Or rent the space?

Also why this;
>And why would anyone make an effort starting a business if they don't get to benefit from it?
is a bullshit argument. The owner is obviously getting a benefit from owning all the profit and all the equity in the business itself. The argument is not whether he should get 100% of the benefit or the workers should, but what proportion of the benefit each should receive. The basic American model is that the workers get the minimum the owner can get away with paying them and keeps all of the rest. I think most people would be okay with the workers just getting more of a benefit than that, even if it was tied to profits or performance rather than guaranteed.

>>508872634 (OP)
No one is stopping workers from banding together and starting a cooperative. It's something that is done and some are even quite successful. The thing is that most people can't make it work, as running a business is a lot of work and takes a lot of risk, and those who can do it are better taking the capitalist route and do it themselves, because socialist enterprises always attract the kind of people who do little but expect a lot.

>>508876543
Im an engineer in a factorys machine shop but I can see the financial side of things and it aint pretty. I cant wait to have my own shop, I hate having a boss like you wouldnt believe.

>>508876685
o fuck yea it's humid and hot...thats why im trying to segway into indoor produce. you make sooo much more comparatively and it's conditioned space
t. texas gulf coast

>>508876382
>i dont know why is it so hard to understand that CEOs (not jewish ones) had to risk capital over an idea of a business
Most people don't understand this.
VPs and CEOs are typically fiduciary responsible for the company. Often this includes signing a contract which states that in dire circumstances, the executive will fork over a significant amount of money to lenders, should the business go under

>>508872634 (OP)
Because Pizza doesn't cost $78 a slice

>>508872634 (OP)
>turned over all profits
>assume that they calculated this amount prior to overhead costs and tax
>get mad that the boss who built the place, supplied the materials and supplies to run the business, assumes legal responsibility for property, and then chose to give back takes a bigger cut at the end of the day
Nigger mentality.
I see where the logic comes from, but it is nigger mentality no less.

>>508876357
I've worked end to end supply chain planning in a food manufacturing environment. I guarantee whatever 'catastrophic' event they may have at a pizzeria (outside if it burning down completely and even that I have comparable situational experience) pales in comparison to what I've handled and executed

>>508872634 (OP)
Who buys the ingredients? Who does maintenance? Who pays the rent, the gas, the power, the water? Who renews the business license?

I member my crazy socialist ex sister in law used to say, “you’re against universal healthcare? So that means you think people who can’t afford treatment don’t deserve it!” No, I think that figuring out what people deserve is subjective and impossible, and trying to make it so everyone gets what they deserve is even more impossible. I operate within reality, you get what you get, rather than trying to take stances on what people deserve and act on them.

>>508876826
segue*

Verbal intelligence has been correlated with overall better life outcomes. You're on your way, kid.

>>508876596
>X deserves Y because it did Z
>But W also did Z
>B-BUT THAT'S HEKKIN DIFFERENT B-BECAUSE I SAY SO
Logic doesn't seem to be your forte

>>508872634 (OP)
We don't even have capitalism in the USA. We have a centrally and privately planned/controlled currency - per Marx himself a central bank is the most important plank of communism.

Free Market capitalism arguably died for good when banks lobbied to get rid of Glass-Stragall regulations that separated commercial from investment banking. At best we now have Crony Capitalism - though now I think it's full blown Corporatism.

if we still had the gold standard, minimum wage workers would be making roughly $130 an hour based on the current price of gold

>>508876893
>unprovable assertion
OK pal

>>508876685
also they are gung ho and want to do it till they see how much paperwork is involved, they are locals so the climate doesn't bother them

>>508876614
lol there's no way you're not a shitskin. You lack the ability to even comprehend what you're asking for. You've been a service worker all your life so you assume the the burger king always existed, the supplies of patties always just came in, and the taxes were always just paid for, completely refusing to acknowledge that is the owner who incurs all those debts and responsibilities. A collective of workers will not be responsible for that, you can't put 300 names on a lease nor can you put 300 names on a busines license or tax form.

>>508872634 (OP)
pathetic low IQ low EQ low BBQ take
but keep blaming your problems o someone else, see if that makes you rich

>>508876851
anon that profit already exists the pizza is the same price

>>508875448
Again, idiot, the owner owns a business and offers employment at a rate of money per hour. If the plebs think the hourly rate is “unfair” or whatever else might compel them to not take the job, voila, you can keep searching for that $200/hr job or start your own business.
End. Period. Fin

>>508876661
>You can accept the job offer at the rate the owner offers or you can refuse it.
Why is it morally unacceptable to also talk about the offers being made? If two people got on the internet and discussed the fact that such and such store was gouging its customers on the price of a basic good, would you be sitting here pilpuling about how purchase is a mutually agreed upon contract?

No. Because part of the way the market works is by people comparing deals to consider which one is best. So why is it that in discussions of the sale of labor, any criticism that a deal is unfair is met with
>BUT IT'S CONSENSUAL GOY
?

>>508872634 (OP)
This is how life works.
You get a job at a pizzeria to learn everything there is about running a business.
Then you go start your own pizzeria.
What you don't do is sit at a cash register for 10 years and demand more money

>>508872836
its taboo in the west to make money in volume.

>>508876695
Based

>>508876642
how's that commie screeching? they'd take away everything I have, like they did in the past century. no one whose opinion matters likes commies.

>>508876906
>So that means you think people who can’t afford treatment don’t deserve it!”
Yes

>>508876953
Glass-Steagall*

>>508876929
auto correct you absolute faggot lol, and i'm a farmer...there's no better outcome in life than being subsidized by your tax money to not grow crops lol, lmao even

>>508876950
>B-BUT THAT'S HEKKIN DIFFERENT B-BECAUSE I SAY SO
Yes I said that's fundamentally different, because it is. Rage at reality like other leftoids, I'm sure it will help

>>508872634 (OP)

Robots could replace them easily.

>>508877159
>it is what it is bro
yep, you have nothing left to say

>>508877047
>would you be sitting here pilpuling about how purchase is a mutually agreed upon contract?
It literally is

>>508877047
You clearly have no problem when people enter a contract that says
>You give me x amount of y good
>I give you x amount of dollars

Labor is just another good. Stop licking socialist asshole for 3 seconds and remember that labor is like any other good: subject to the whims of supply and demand.

Everyone has to live in a world that isn’t fair and where other people and business want to take advantage of you for their own benefit and no one can control other people, only themselves. So the only logical solution is to change yourself, “pick yourself up by your bootstraps.” Figure out a way to benefit in the world as it is today instead of complaining about it. Start your own business or something and keep all the profit for yourself while not paying your employees enough. Most people would rather just obsess over their “victimhood” and look for sympathy. You said, “this isn’t fair. Why do I have to suffer?” The successful said, “this isn’t fair. How can I adapt to it.”

>>508877025
it is unfair, this country relies on 5% cheap illegal immigrant labor. remove that slave labor and suddenly these jobs will have to start paying more because there’s less supply of workers willing to work for shit pay.

>>508872634 (OP)
Wrong, unfortunately.
Under socialism, pizzeria workers would make nothing and all the profit goes straight into the dictator's next golden toilet

>>508876699
Most people who do it save for years. Im still living in a shithole apartment driving a busted car despite making $80k a year so I can save up the 10% down payment on a sba loan. A pizza place is kid stuff, the only somewhat expensive piece of equipment you need is an oven and a walk in fridge. I used to work in one as a teenager

>>508877207
>you have nothing left to say
Yes what can one say today reality denier? Same mentality as trannies
>YES I AM A WOMAN
lol

>>508872634 (OP)
Mmmmmm, $100 pizza

>tfw independent software developer who owns several blueberry orchards and own managed hunting grounds which I have agreements to get the proceeds of the game
am I noblemaxxing?

>>508872634 (OP)
That article is either fake or is talking just raw revenue. No way a pizzeria has such margins.

>>508872634 (OP)
Out of the profits the owner has to pay for licenses, cleaning, insurance, repairs, new equipment and if anything happens he will be sued and not the worker.

>>508877208
Of course it is, so the fuck what? The point is, one of the major market factors that prevents price manipulation and dishonest practices is reputation staking/people sharing information. If a business dicks over its customers, word gets around about that, the business loses public trust, and this hurts the bottom line. This is the market incentive which checks bad behavior, the tendency of people to discuss that behavior and stay away from unscrupulous, dishonest, or shady actors operating in some market space.

But if you do this in the labor market, oh god help you. Talking about how this actor or that actor is running a shakedown racket on unsuspecting victims is met with moral indignation. All wage-based transactions are optimal in 100% of cases and it's obviously physically impossible for anyone to screw over his employees, because the free market magic ensures that it can't be done! Never mind that the free market is a process and that market corrections to bad behavior rely on participants in the market fucking discussing it, those discussions are COMMUNISM

>>508876980
>Burger King
Okay. Let's look at BK. The CEO of BK's parent company, RBI, appears to have made $13.4 million dollars last year. This isn't the man who started the company. He didn't just "have a great idea" to start a fast food burger restaurant. He's a wealthy, Ivy league elite who walked on to the job. And now he's making more than $13,000,000.00 per year. Is it fair that he makes that much when many of his workers are working $7.25/hr minimum wage? You're okay with that ratio?

Americans used to overwhelmingly have sympathy for the successful. You know the owner of your company is making more than the employees, and you respect him for that. You think, hopefully that will be me one day, so I wouldn’t want that to be illegal. You think, if I were him I would do the same. You stick to your stuff and work hard for years and save up and one day you step up out of poverty yourself. You literally can’t do it if the people who should be role models become your evil villains.

>>508876962
>source
>SOURCE?!?!?!
Lol, Lmao even

>>508875700
> economies of scale are bullshit
Is this bait?

>capitalist company gets to the point where it has shitloads of profits and could pay people a lot, this proves capitalism is bad
Marx did this too with his "capitalism developed everything to the point where socialism is now possible" narrative, kind of a self-own.

>>508877431
Life isnt fair, who gives a fuck

>>508877430
>, so the fuck what? T
So the rest of your screeching is irrelevant. "Fairness" and other childish concepts aren't a factor at all as the transaction is entirely voluntary. If someone willingly takes a bad deal, that's their own stupid ass fault.

>>508877145
>can't take a compliment
took a few steps back there, but I believe in you.

>>508877303
>defies basic logic
>calls other mentally ill
we have established that both owners and workers not only contribute to building the business, but they also take on risk. So if owners deserve something for these two actions and workers don't, it means that there is some hidden variable you haven't accounted for. Im your case this variable seems to be "because I say so", which is just pathetic

>>508875217
>How often do you go into a store and voluntarily pay more than the price tag?
Anon should. Then the cashier would pocket the money. Then the cashier would earn more. That could make the gap smaller, no?

>>508877222
>You clearly have no problem when people enter a contract that says
not on principle, no. But I reserve the right to say "wow, that's a fucking rip-off" if I think the deal is a fucking rip off.

>Labor is just another good.
remind yourself of that fact, you're the one who starts political proselytizing whenever people start asking amongst themselves "are we selling this for too little?"

>>508877073

>>508877438
>no you must believe all of my claims at face value or I'll post a soijack
Peak reddit

>>508872766
>managing a business
>intellectual labor
this better be bait

>>508872634 (OP)
All the profits? That's after expenses? Let me guess, that's the money they made because he didn't have to pay tax on his income for what he gave them.

Yeah if you make 0 income you don't get taxed, funny how that works

>>508877543
>>defies basic logic
>so what if mh logic denies reality! Its heckin valid reeeeeee
Kek

>>508876953
Pure capitalism was never going to last here because it involves regular depressions that people won't put up with, including the upper echelons. During 2008 not a single one of those surely staunch free market-loving managers or executives said no to the bailout on moral grounds. They didn't say,
>Sorry Obama, the invisible hand of the free market is at work and we should not avoid it via government fiat. I'll go down with my ship, on my honor as a capitalist.
they just said
>Yes we'll take the money please
They only ever pretended to believe any of that shit when it gave them a rationale for making a shitzillion dollars, as soon as that stopped they wanted socialism. That was literally the "risk" that C-suites always cite as their reason for making so much money and when the time actually came they didn't follow through with taking it. They just put the burden on the plebs via government and golden parachuted out.

Nobody actually has the desire to put up with the swings of a free market. It's pointless whining about "real capitalism" because as soon as the first depression hits, everyone turns away in disgust and demands that the market be rigged to be good again. Why even try to maintain a system that nobody has the discipline for?

>>508877559
>wow, that's a fucking rip-off
Okay. Quit. Find another job. If it's such a rip-off I'm sure you'll have no trouble finding something closer to average market value.

>>508872634 (OP)
It’s not. Time for revolution.

>>508877047
>Why is it morally unacceptable to also talk about the offers being made?
People have, in general, been fooled [and this goes far beyond salary].
Gov't pay is public information. Union pay is published in a list. If you aren't talking to the people around you, or at least in your industry, about what you're getting for the same/similar work ... one of you (or more) is likely getting screwed.
Just do it privately or anonymously.
There are about a hundred diff sites to find general salary information on the internet, and you can add your own.

>>508877625
>During 2008 not a single one of those surely staunch free market-loving managers or executives said no to the bailout on moral grounds. They didn't say,
>>Sorry Obama, the invisible hand of the free market is at work and we should not avoid it via government fiat. I'll go down with my ship, on my honor as a capitalist.
Because it was literally actually caused by government involvement in the market. Stop being stupid

>>508872634 (OP)
nothing is stopping these commies from starting their own pizza restaurant
also, it's bullshit, the most profitable restaurants usually have about a 30% labor cost and a 10% net profit. if you gave 100% of the 10% to the employees, that would only increase their pay by about a third.

>>508877621
Try trolling better next time, this pathetic attempt at keeping the replies coming is just sad. Bye nigger

>>508877546
Holding them to their own standards is fascism oy vey

>>508877749
>stop bullying meeeeeee
Lol no

Goes to show why you shouldn’t do handouts. Instead of gee thanks boss he gets, so why can’t we make this much all the time. Same sort of think with USAID. We help people we didn’t have to help, and then when we stop they accuse of of murder.

>>508876584
I pay fair market rate for Graphic designers and I'm still managing retards at $72 an hour. If making 11K a month is bad pay because I want some extra shekels, then I pray for the mom and pops out there that have to deal with retarded mentalities such as yours.

>>508873328
Pleasantly surprised to see most of the people here telling you how retarded you are

>>508877659
>Okay. Quit. Find another job
I will. But again, this jewishness misses the point. The point is "I'm going to talk about it". I'm going to say to my fellow workers
>stay away, there's a kike rat in there
Your entire racket is based on the assumption that you can fleece one individual after another and they'll never get together and compare notes about your behavior, so a new one will always be lined up outside your door. There's a sucker born every minute and you only need to fleece them once.

But you have no right to assume this. A free market does not require that I keep my mouth shut about my bad experience with a business, whether as a customer or employee. In fact, a free market relies on me being vocal about it so that information can spread and the market mechanism can work.

>>508877694
Bill Clinton created the housing bubble by forcing banks to give mortgages to niggers in 1995, they got rid of the bad loans by packaging them together with good loans so investors would buy them which eventually led to 2008

>>508877047
>Why is it morally unacceptable to also talk about the offers being made?
This goes right along with the public opinion inversion about unions.
Instead of attacking the few people left who work (a remnant of) a fair days work for a fair days pay, with decent benefits ... as the news has convinced most people to do
one should instead ask why they are getting a raw deal.
unions aren't perfect ... but collective bargaining for fair working conditions is, in general, far fairer than the current system ... and if you've never worked under a union ... and god forbid have protested and/or think you are "anti-union" ... guess what?
they gotcha again.
TPTB have truly refined the art of forcing people to beg for, fight for, and essentially demand both their own poverty, their neighbors matching poverty, and ultimately destruction -- down to a science.

>>508877905
>I'm still managing retards at $72 an hour
You're managing retards because you're hiring retards. That's a you problem.

>>508872766
It's easy to manage and make a profit from a restaurant on one condition:
>You own the building.
The moment some jew is your landlord or you have a mortgage on it, some kike just gets your money for free at no risk.
Remove usury, ban the rental of business buildings (split ownership as in strip malls, etc is fine), and 5+ year loans and commercial real estate value will plummet to the levels of affordability, the leeches will dry up, and moral business owners will be able to pay their employees much better.

>>508877938
Yes. Gov involvement always makes things worse

>>508876826
I can tolerate the dry heat of East Texas just fine, but fucking hell Fort Hood had me DYING. Literally worse than Fort Novosel somehow.

I'll stick to pigfarming on my shitty little mountain.

>>508877984
>far fairer than the current system ...
Lol

>>508872766
Careful, posting this on /pol/ with a bunch of neets and poorfags will make them seethe.
They want to get paid $100k a year without any experience or risk.

>>508876346
many such cases, sad

>>508873328
It costs around $400k to get a pizza restaurant up and running

>>508877291
>Most people who do it save for years.
I listen to a lot of these people on podcasts and that's not the typical story. Usually it's someone who already has money takes a chance on them, often outside of the official lending system. They go around and convince people of their dream and get the financing that way. Of those who work and save, their nut is just one part of what they need. You're telling me directly that your plan is to put up 10% of what you need and make the SBA put up the other 90%. So what, in 10 years you're going to tell your employees (who subsidized your startup via a government agency that they pay taxes toward) that you make 10x as much as they do because you took the risk, not them?

>>508872634 (OP)
Henery ford tried to make this a reality by making corporate policy to increase wages of workers and give big bonuses/profit sharing as company succeeds but Jewish share holders sued him and stated that “the companies only interest is to the share holders”, this has become the policy for every capitalist country and is this way still

>>508878003
Remember, the single biggest predicting factor for small business success is
>recently received gift or inheritance

>>508876343
It will be priced just enough to undercut the quality product, based on the purchasing knowledge of an online shopper who can't see or hold the item. There is no way to make a better pizza through scale. You can't have a factory mass produce better dough because the assembly line dough has to be made in a way that maintains standard quality through the line process. Compromises are made everywhere: ingredients must be shelf stable, dough wetness must not clog up machines, product needs to be supplied predictably, it all leads to an inferior product and it costs more than just mixing flour water starter and salt and waiting. It's all a sham, we're being forced into this massively scaled overspecialized world so business owners can try to get our money for lack of alternatives.

>>508872634 (OP)
DRUZE TITO MI TI SE KUNEMOOOOO. the twatter guys profile pic is tito. if there ever was a based socialist it was tito. to this day he had the biggest funeral in the entire history of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfsfwRLq-9E&list=RDcfsfwRLq-9E&start_radio=1

It's impossible each workers generated 78$ in a single hour. Unless a) Pizzas are grossly overpriced b) They produce 1,000 pizzas an hour.

>>508872634 (OP)
Yes, rent, power, raw materials, taxes, healthcare. These all cost nothing, the evil owner pockets all the money

>>508875487
It obviously could not have been profit because you can't extract profit from a single day's worth of operation when you have to consider the cost of up keeping equipment, marketing, price hikes on ingredients, etc

But you were the only anon I saw smart enough to realize something was off about this claim

>>508872634 (OP)
>78$/h times 5-15 after all expenses
That's pretty fucking exceptional for a restaurant, isn't it?

>>508877232
What you said was true before mass consolidation and monopolization. No, I'm afraid in a Corporatist system (ultimately ran by oligarchs).....99% of people jave two choices:

1) be born rich
2) be born poor

The average jewish (male) teenager is given almost 20 grand cash at their mitzvah. TheRich that own banks routinely front loans to their kin. YOU will never get that deal, and from YOU they will continue to steal.

>>508878200
>will be priced just enough to undercut the quality product, based on the purchasing knowledge of an online shopper who can't see or hold the item.
Yes these are factors
>There is no way to make a better pizza through scale. You can't have a factory mass produce better dough because the assembly line dough has to be made in a way that maintains standard quality through the line process. Compromises are made everywhere: ingredients must be shelf stable, dough wetness must not clog up machines, product needs to be supplied predictably, it all leads to an inferior product and it costs more than just mixing flour water starter and salt and waiting.
OK and?
>It's all a sham, we're being forced into this massively scaled overspecialized world so business owners can try to get our money for lack of alternatives.
>its all bad because businesses
You have mental illness

>>508878000
Yes, and I'm saying that even with good hires, at a fair market rate, in a competitive industry, you are still managing retards. You can use the anti-fa flag if you select the geographic location button on your post btw.

So why don't they just start their own?

>>508876430
>>508876467
This and this
It’s all so tiresome

>>508877532
You're playing very stupid. Management makes it a taboo to discuss salary so people are less likely to notice when they've been offered a bad deal; because they want to get away with screwing people over if they can. They'll often directly ban that discussion in the building, although they're not strictly allowed to.

This is basic Jewish-Anglo (British Israelist?) "morality" in the market; if you can screw someone over, you should, and if you do, it's because they're a bad (stupid) person, not you. You're a good person because you successfully screwed someone over without them noticing.

>>508878031
After 2008 the government kept interest rates at zero for 15 years which just made more bubbles, made housing unaffordable and flooded the roads with giang ugly "luxury" pickup trucks since cleetus could afford a $100k 84 month car note and a $300k mcmansion on a $25/hr construction job thanks to 3% interest that wouldnt exist in a free market
>>508878172
seethe commie, life isnt fair. get used to it. I wish my dad was rich enough to do that but hes not so Im out here busting my ass and doing without so I can pay for it myself.

>>508878387
>and?
economies of scale and specialization are bullshit

>>508878162
>400k
This is entirely dependent on location and certainly doesn't consider losses while establishing the brand. 400k might get you along for a month but unless you're turning a profit in that first month you're not going to be able to pay employess without loans.
I'd say it costs more like a million, on average. Which is a big risk considering 85% of restaurants fail within the first year.

>>508878389
>Yes, and I'm saying that even with good hires, at a fair market rate, in a competitive industry, you are still managing retards
Because you're giving them money in exchange for time. You have created no incentive structure which aligns their interests with your interests, apart from "the fear of being punished if they are caught fucking up" or perhaps "the hope of being rewarded if they are observed doing well"

You can't buy goodwill. You can't buy emotional and mental investment. You can trade it for time, and that's the contract you've got set up. Did you ever consider structuring your business in a way that aligns the interests of the other people in the business with your own? What advantage is conferred on them if you profit more, and what cost do they incur if you profit less? Why should any of them care about your interests and your needs? You don't care about theirs.

>>508878449
>Management makes it a taboo
Taboo? Oh golly gee wilikers that's like an unbreakable law of nature then huh??
Lol fuck off with this stupid bullshit. Have the balls to talk to your coworkers or look up info on sites like Glassdoor.

>>508878504
>because I saw
Mental illness

If owning a business is so easy, just go start one yourself.

>>508872990
Masonic the Hedgehog! You are back in 3D!

>>508872634 (OP)
>workers think pizza supplies and electricity are free

>>508877047
> If two people got on the internet and discussed the fact that such and such store was gouging its customers on the price of a basic good, would you be sitting here pilpuling about how purchase is a mutually agreed upon contract?
Thanks for making my point you driveling imbecile: tada you DON’T have to buy a product if the price is too high.
Congrats you just created capitalism.
> Because part of the way the market works is by people comparing deals to consider which one is best.
See above

>>508877694
>Because it was literally actually caused by government involvement in the market.
Nobody held a gun up to the heads of those mortgage loan officers and told them to not look at income or to let applicants make up their own income. Nobody forced them to figure out that if you bundle bad mortgages with good ones you can get other people to buy them off of you so you can keep making shitty loans while avoiding risk (there's that magic word again). That wasn't government involvement, that was all their own doing so that they could keep making a shitzillion dollars. The only "government involvement" was when Obama created the moral hazard of insulating these people from failure by bailing them out, forever convincing them that they can do whatever stupid shit they want and always be rescued from it.
>But um the Civil Rights Act
Doesn't overcome lending limits like income and creditworthiness. You're not allowed to discriminate but you're not required to give loans to browns who can't afford the loans either. Responsible lending would've avoided the crisis, which is what they deliberately didn't do because they figured out a way to shift the risk elsewhere.

Which is the kind of dumb shit you'll always see in a less regulated market where people are more free to do whatever they want, and in a perfect capitalist system they would've just let all those banks go under which would've nuked the market for 10/15 years which is why nobody actually likes capitalism. Everyone likes the part where the number goes up, but nobody has the discipline for the corresponding part where the number goes down.

>>508878635
This poster:
>Have the balls to talk to your coworkers or look up info on sites like Glassdoor.

Also this poster, in response to an anon suggesting workers fight for higher wages:
>>508875459
>gibs me dat fo free

So which is it, anon? Is workers discussing the unfairness of their employer's practices a good thing that only kikes discourage, or is it communist whining deserving of mockery and derision?

You don't even know what you believe. You shapeshift depending on who you're arguing with. As long as you're saying something negative about the working class and licking kike anus, you're happy

>>508879048
>Nobody held a gun up to the heads of those mortgage loan officers and told them to not look at income or to let applicants make up their own income
No the gov just gave them a risk-free pass. The next part was inevitable

>>508877312
Yes and it’s based.

>>508877431
Yes lmao

>>508879053
>So which is it, anon?
Its very simple. Ofc you should try to get the best deal you can. That's what everyone does.
But the second you want to invoke the coercive power of the government, you should be drawn and quartered in the street as an example. Easy peasy.

>>508878462
>seethe commie, life isnt fair. get used to it. I wish my dad was rich enough to do that but hes not so Im out here busting my ass and doing without so I can pay for it myself.
Thanks for admitting you're support getting cucked by thieves and liars.

>>508877245
This is a wholly separate argument and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Nevertheless, I’m proud of you little buddy, you said something that wasn’t absurd and objectively inconsistent with reality. Yes, cheap illegal labor hurts American workers and those business owners should be prosecuted

>>508878462
>seethe commie, life isnt fair. get used to it.
You didn't keep up that facade of rational argument very long. We always end up at
>life isnt fair
even though we always start with an argument about how it actually is fair and how everyone just has what they earned. You pretend to care about that until you're pressed too far.

>>508879312
Nobody is talking about invoking the coercive power of the government. Even in the OP, the only comment being made is about how much more money the ground-level workers would be earning if the owner wasn't collecting a paycheck. Nobody stormed that pizza place with rifles and barricaded the doors and declared it the People's Pie. No violence has happened here. Only workers pointing out the inequitability of a particular financial arrangement.

>>508878184
It's absolutely insane.
I just looked up a Carl'd Jr that closed recently, and is now listed.
Apparently landlords have the jewiest type of lease possible, a "NNN" (triple-net).
With this 'agreement' the person who signs it would pay
>$62k/yr to the landlord
>All property tax
>All insurance
>Landlord takes zero responsibility for any maintenance of anything on the property, including the parking lot
Why do we tolerate shit like this?
The 'landlord' does absolutely nothing and collects more than a middle-class salary every year.

>>508878275
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>508879312
>You're allowed tactics that won't work
>But you're not allowed tactics that will work
Simple enough I suppose.

>>508875690
So most of the paperwork involved with farming is begging the government for grants and subsidized insurance and then reporting your crop yields back to them?

>>508879490
>Nobody is talking about invoking the coercive power of the government. E
That's always the next step
>I'm not getting paid [arbitrary amount], save me Nancy Pelosi!
>>508879490
>Only workers pointing out the inequitability of a particular financial arrangement.
That's fine, but they're still stupid and wrong. If they actually think that they should leave for a different job

>>508879615
>le gommunism is a tactic
I'll get the horses, you can pick out which rope you want us to use on you

>>508877931
> The point is "I'm going to talk about it". I'm going to say to my fellow workers
So fucking What? Who cares. Great, do that. Then once again those other workers can decide to take the job or not. If no one takes the jobs then the owner will have to make adjustments.
Congrats again: you just invented capitalism (again)

>>508879646
>they should leave for a different job
This only works when you are in a position to say "fuck you" to your employer's face without losing your car/home/food supply/etc.

>>508879809
>This only works when you are in a position to say "fuck you"
That's what getting a different job is dummy. If you quit before having a new job, you're a special kind of idiot.

>>508879646
>That's always the next step
Not true. They could use collective bargaining. They could form a cooperative. They could use social pressure to achieve a desired outcome. Lots of things could happen that don't involve invoking the power of the state. Hell, the last time organized labor took meaningfully disruptive action in the United States, a blue goddamn president dispatched the military to break it up and force them to get back to work. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together thinks the government is the friend of the working people.

>That's fine, but they're still stupid and wrong. If they actually think that they should leave for a different job
See, there's that false dichotomy again. Insisting that everyone behave as an insular actor with no discussion, no comparing of notes. If YOU don't like your job, YOU should leave. But you should under no circumstances do so in a concerted effort with the other employees of the building, or make your voice heard in a way that discourages others from coming to replace you. It's very important that you keep your struggles to yourself and play the game alone, rather than teaming up.

I dispute this line of reasoning.

>>508873328
Most of the R&D goes into the crust. You will need to make hundreds of profitless pizzas before you have something you can sell. Why would I go to your pizzeria?

>>508879917
>If YOU don't like your job, YOU should leave.
Yes. End of story

>>508879722
>So fucking What? Who cares. Great, do that
I am, nigger, that's what this thread is about. It's workers bitching about unfair working conditions to other workers. Obviously YOU care, or you wouldn't be in here hand-wringing and pearl-clutching about it.

>>508874859
>C-Levels making more money; they take the risk
What risk does a CEO, CFO or CMO take? They are employees like everyone else.

>>508879331
>thinks it’s a separate issue
god you people are so close to understanding

>>508879182
You're just ducking responsibility for them. Why didn't these noble titans of business just do the right thing without government forcing them to? Why did they instead make bad loans and then find ways to pass off the bad loans to other people? And this is ignoring that these people will beg and plead and lobby to have less rules applied to them, which inevitably leads to some market collapse from them doing dumb risky shit that was banned for a reason.

This is what I mean about nobody actually liking capitalism. If the only way to make a businessman act with any moral conscience is to put a gun to his head via government fiat, people are going to support putting a gun to his head via government fiat. Nobody wants to have these powerful people with lots of money running around blowing shit up and hurting people in search of the almighty dollar, and they'll support whatever system makes him behave.

>>508879690
Tough talk from a fat boomer.

>>508873718
Wages need to be suppressed or you’d start to notice things like the money supply way up and billionaire net worth way up.

>>508880022
Sorry kike, I recognize that we are stronger together than we are apart, and I will exercise my god-given and fundamentally American right to talk about this shit with my fellow workers and do everything I can to make resistance to your exploitation organized. I will vilify you and your entire parasitic class at every opportunity and you can't do shit about it but kvetch and seethe.

>>508879615
>tactics that will work
How's the Soviet Union holding up these days?

>>508880096
>re just ducking responsibility for them
They have no responsibility. Wanting everyone else to look out for you and be responsible for you is peak childish behavior.
If you cover yourself in BBQ sauce, give yourself some paper cuts, and go swimming off the coast of Australia, you can't blame the shark when you get bit. Doing so is actually insane.

>>508880179
>NO U BOOMBOOM
tough ad hom from a retard

>>508880083
Oops
And here I thought you’d hit a benchmark of basic reasoning and logic.
Good luck, comrade. You’ll need it

>>508880213
>American right to talk about this shit with my fellow workers and do everything I can to make resistance to your exploitation organized.
Ok. Don't cry when they can the lot of you.

>>508878606
Let's just cut the crux of your argument. Essentially, you're suggesting a dishwasher should be paid the same as a CEO of Chain restaurants, because why would a dishwasher care about doing any work or incurring cost if the CEO is the only one that stands to benefit from the labor because they make some extra shekels.

So lets define the extra shekels in this theoretic environment and why the CEO makes the extra shekels and the dishwasher doesn't. The CEO has to manage 500 restaurants in this chain lets say. They have to confer data from multiple people, marketing, operations, business partners, contractors, etc. and condense it all into powerful decisions that determine if those 500 restaurants get to survive or not. These are intense, high pressure decisions, that determine the fates of companies. And the complaint is that the CEO makes lets say, 30M a year, and you believe that 30M should be redistributed essentially. This is retarded for the aforementioned reasons.

1. Why would a CEO take on the risk of potentially ruining 500 restaurants that employ over 8,000 people for lets say 300k a year? No one would, if you fuck that up, your reputation is done forever, you will never get a job as a CEO ever again, you will be laughed at by the public. Meanwhile, a dishwasher doesn't show up on Tuesday? That just happens.

2. Why is the Dishwasher entitled to the CEO's pay and cast to be a nuisance? They don't know how to understand the data they're looking at, they don't know how to command a meeting, they don't even know how to manage the aforementioned employees, let alone a massive logical pyramid structure that determines the fate of a company.

3. Your interest are aligned the second you accept the pay I am willing to give you. If they are not, then start a company and kill me.

Once you understand that, you will the understand why it is hard to run any company, managing retards no matter what you do, let alone, a mom and pop pizzeria.

>>508880311
I don't understand this argument. The Soviet Union was a totalitarian hellscape, but that doesn't mean it was ineffective. It turned a backwater full of impoverished beet farmers into a global superpower in the span of a single human lifetime, it obviously worked. That doesn't make it a good thing, but the things that were wrong with it were not "it just couldn't get anything done".

>>508878172
You listen to podcasts about people starting machine shops? [X]

Also SBA loans aren’t just coughed up out of the government teat, they’re issued by a bank and sold off as bonds. Only time government gets on the hook is if it defaults.

>>508880179
>Tough talk
Didn't you suggest using government thuggery as a business tactic?

>>508880515
Commies aren't self aware

>>508880487
>The Soviet Union was a totalitarian hellscape, but that doesn't mean it was ineffective.

>>508880487
>It turned a backwater full of impoverished beet farmers into a global superpower in the span of a single human lifetime
uh buddy, the USA did that during the industrial revolution, without most of the totalitarian hellscape stuff

>>508872766
Kill the capitalist
National Socialism didn’t go far enough

>>508880487
>it obviously worked
Temporarily. And the workers were worse off than they would be under capitalism for the entire time. To produce the gross effects of space rockets and nuclear stockpiles, workers had to suffer and sacrifice their whole lives. At the same time inner party members lived lavish lifestyles and "did nothing."