The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Was this a good deal? I know that the Israelis hated it, and I know that FOX News criticized it constantly, but I don't know why. My understanding is that Israel was cut out of the negotiations, so they REEE'd out.

Iran was allowed to enrich uranium only to 3%, only under strict guidelines, only at one single facility, and had to decommission 3/4 of their current facilities and centrifuges and dispose of all their stockpiles of more highly enriched uranium. In exchange Iran received sanctions relief.

This doesn't seem like a bad or unreasonable deal. Why was there such hysteria over it? I understand Israel opposed it, because it diffused their casus belli against Iran (nuclear program) by legitimizing their civilian program.

Am I missing something? Was it really bad for some other reason?

The only reason given to me in the last thread is that the deal was only for 15 years. As I see it, that only benefits the USA and does not benefit the Iranians. At the end of 15 years, we could demand they renew the treaty or sign a stricter treaty, or face sanctions, and the Iranians, having already decommissioned their program and given up their stockpiles would have no cards to play, and would be compelled to either renew or face greater restrictions.

>>508898936 (OP)
It was a decent deal and a hell of a lot better than nothing. Trump was retarded for pulling out and now he has to resort to mean tweets and bunker busters. Dude is a fully fledged retard on all accounts.

Why didn't Biden restart it after Trump ended it? Everyone in Washington only wants regime change in Iran. No one actually cares about Iranian nukes except maybe israelis, but it's a convenient pretext for a coup or for war. They could easily have guaranteed that Iran never builds one with the deal they already had once.

It was a bad deal, the Iranians didn't even comply with the inspections. And it was toothless too. So they could just play footsie with the inspectors.

Trump's plan of blowing their shit up is better. And even if the program was only slowed down that's fine too - they can just bomb it at a slightly shorter interval than the amount of time it will be knocked out for and keep it up indefinitely.

>>508898936 (OP)
It was a stable and peaceful solution where all good faith parties benefited, and jews wanted war

>>508899553
>the Iranians didn't even comply with the inspections
The Iranians were in complete compliance at the time Trump tore up the deal.
You are lying.
>And it was toothless too
again lying. not only would it be informally a casus belli, but formally reimposition of sanctions was built in for failure to comply.

>Trump's plan of blowing their shit up is better
Why? Trump hasn't gotten any deal from them, let alone a better deal. They still claim they have the absolute right to enrich uranium, and this has likely hardened their resolve to do so. Backing down would make the regime look weak.
>they can just bomb it at a slightly shorter interval than the amount of time it will be knocked out for and keep it up indefinitely.
so your real solution is that Trump doesn't have any plan at all, other than a forever war of constantly bombing Iran whenever Israel tells us to? Very Cool. Thanks.

>>508899553
>the Iranians didn't even comply with the inspections
Yes they did.

It seems to me that if israel can obtain nuclear weapons through secretive methods, that any country can. You can't call islam a fanataical religous group unless you're also willing to label zionists as the same. The only reason they would have been meddling was israel's paranoia. Israel took it upon themselves to deny iran and other countries the right to use nuclear anything.

There should have been no deal. Because it should not been our concern.

>>508900072
>The Iranians were in complete compliance at the time Trump tore up the deal.
Bullshit.

> not only would it be informally a casus belli
Like a bomb, like Trump dropped off.

>but formally reimposition of sanctions was built in for failure to comply
But they didn't comply.

>Trump hasn't gotten any deal from them
They can't be trusted to make a deal. He tried for many months. So he bombed 'em instead.

>They still claim they have the absolute right to enrich uranium
Trump claims an even more absolute right to blow their shit up.

>and this has likely hardened their resolve to do so
And Trump will blow their shit up again too. Besides I thought Iran was boasting of a new weapon that makes nukes obsolete?

>so your real solution is that Trump doesn't have any plan at all, other than a forever war of constantly bombing Iran whenever Israel tells us to?
Yes but it's not a war. Trump blew up that general too, with ninja sword missiles. LITERALLY NINJA SWORD MISSILES and Iran didn't do shit. He blew up their nuclear shit and what did Iran do? Nothing much really.

This can hardly be considered a war. Iran has no real way to wave war on the US - no big navy, no real close overseas allies near America, maybe they have a few missiles that can reach or some terrorists tucked away or something, but it couldn't harm us more than a millionth of the harm we could deal to them.

They won't do shit.

>>508898936 (OP)
none of this is really about nuclear weapons, nuclear weapons has simply been the excuse. Iran was happy to let international organizations to do inspections and examine their sites as long as they were allowed to build up a decent military with ballistic missiles and not have all the sanctions on them. You look at what all the war hawks are pushing for and it's regime change. They want to overthrow the Iranian government and turn it into a failed state.
Look at what trump himself talked about back during his first term. It was Iran supporting Hezbollah, it was Iran supporting various militias, it was Iran building up their military. Trump tore up the deal because it allowed them to do all this stuff. The deal wasn't about anything other than the nuclear issue.

>>508900546
Why are you even trying to dissect his post when your entire argument is just "nuh uh" and "might makes right"?

>>508899372
Because Biden is a cuck and also because Iran would have seen zero reason to get invested in a deal that could be unwound again at any time. It's not just Trump, the GOP Senate refused to ratify the deal as a treaty.
The US is in terminal decline. It's still the preëminent military power and has the largest economy, but is rapidly rottaway from the inside.

>>508898936 (OP)
No because it didn't stop them from enriching it to weapons levels but what it did do was let them keep their manufacturing capabilities to make weapons grade uranium which is why they did it.
Essentially what happened is they prepared us to have another sandbox war in Iran because it's the only way they plan on keeping the economy from imploding without losing power.
We're at the end of the line and it's either full fascism or full collapse and this was the compromise.

>>508899553
Liar

>>508900913
It's fun, plus a lot of time these shills can't resis replying point by point to a point by point, that's fun too. Everything that anon claimed xhe claimed without evidence, and as you know anything claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. And if they provide a link I'll just call the source into question, I know how this all works by now.

We all do.

>>508900546
You're obviously a jew making up lies

>>508901106
Iran complied entirely until Trump ended the deal. That's just a fact. That you lied about.
Lose another war over it, kike

>>508898936 (OP)
Obama is a commie who wanted to help a nation who chants DEATH TO USA constantly and has mass festivals were they burn US flag. That's it.

>>508900546
>Bullshit.
Not Bullshit. Iran was in complete compliance in 2017 when Trump broke it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Subsequent_developments
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/19/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-administration-approves-agreement-but-review-looms
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/us/politics/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-recertify.html

Like a bomb, like Trump dropped off.
Yeah, except Trump and Israel attacked Iran after THEY broke the agreement with Iran, not Iran.

>But they didn't comply
Show a source saying they didn't. I just gave you two that says they were in complete compliance.

Your argument is that USA and Israel can just attack Iran with complete impunity and with complete aggression. I'm not saying they cannot. I'm saying it's wrong to do so, and it only makes us look bad and hardens Iran's resolve and strengthens their justification for seeking a nuclear bomb. If they can just be bombed by Israel and USA anytime we unilaterally decide that we want to, why wouldn't they seek a nuclear bomb? A Nuclear bomb is the only deterrent to the naked aggression that you are describing and advocating for. You are supporting the Iranian case for a nuke.

>>508901351
>3RD WORLD COMMIES THAT BURN US FLAGS ARE BASED FUCK TRUMPSTEIN

>>508898936 (OP)
The Iran Nuclear Deal and killing Bin Laden were actual Obama wins in the foreign policy sector that should be acknowledged and I wish we still had the deal. I fucking hate how no one on the right wants to admit that because Trump was a retard and got out of it. You needed to kill Bin Laden for the normies.

Everything else was jewish/zionist nonsense, if I remember correctly he gave a presidential record amount of aid to Israel. He removed troops from Iraq in 2011 and then brought them back in 2014. He continued Bush's wars in Yemen and Afghanistan. He got us involved in Niger, Libya, and Syria.

>>508898936 (OP)
israeli mad obama did the deal behind their backs.

it was a good deal. it the same shit trump is gonna do except no fucking war for it. obama even got the kike puppet to betray their master for the deal uk,france,germany.

>>508901411
Retarded nigger with no argument.
>hURrr you aren't white unless you support endless war for Israel.

No thanks. I support common sense nuclear non-proliferation treaties between rational state actors. Iran's animosity for Israel is the only real reason you hate Iran. You are an Israeli slave.

>>508901422
>The Iran Nuclear Deal and killing Bin Laden were actual Obama wins in the foreign policy sector that should be acknowledged and I wish we still had the deal.
Right. I was in college dating a Republican chick when Obama killed Osama. I remember being impressed at the historic significance of it if nothing else, but she just rolled her eyes as if it didn't matter. I realize now it was just about teams to her. Obama was on the wrong team, so she didn't care.

>>508898936 (OP)
>Why was there such hysteria over it?
>I understand Israel opposed it
You answered your own question. It was seen a horrible because jews didn't like it.

>>508900515
>any country can
any country with an army of 5th columnists in positions of political and strategic significance in every Western country, willing to betray their present country in support of their true home.

>>508901351
>wikipedia
>the guardian
>jeff bezos's nyt
lol nice sauces you dummy

>>508903036
that's citing the White House, you complete dishonest faggot.
https://apnews.com/united-states-government-3b0e6e3cc254433ead3a283bb30d079b

Trump's White House said Iran was in complete compliance.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-again-certifies-iran-is-complying-with-nuclear-deal-1500346585?msockid=3a20fed6d5ac64911258edd9d4ce655b

Concede defeat and kill yourself.

Nick Fuentes

>>508898936 (OP)
It was probably the worst deal ever made by any president ever. I try to explain why in detail. Part 1: Legality:
>The deal was completely redundant as Iran is signatory to the NPT i.e. the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which is international law (as are all actual treaties) and it prohibits the creation/acquisition of nukes to all members (except those who were already nuclear powers back when this multilateral treaty was made).
>More than redundant, it actually went directly against the NPT. As such, it was contrary to established international law.
>It was also unconstitutional since the Senate did not ratify it, they were never given the chance to, so it wasn't a treaty from the US perspective (well, Dems deny this so there's that). Btw Trump could withdraw from it for the same reason: it was made by presidential fiat, so it had not constitutional protection whatsoever.
>And this wasn't an accident. Obama knew it, everyone knew it as it was reported at the time that Congress does not support the deal. So Obama intentionally circumvented the Senate, knowing all too well that they do not support it. I'm not sure what to call that, certainly he should have been impeached for that, although it would have failed as usual. In other countries, this would be called abuse of power, breach of trust, you name it.
>So the deal was not a treaty, maybe it was from the Europeans perspective, but not from the US's which of course was the most important party. Iran pretty much confirmed this as they didn't give a fuck about the other signatories (5 other countries) wanting to stick to the deal.
>So the deal was at best completely redundant, at worst it was unlawful, unconstitutional, illegitimate and even criminal.

>>508898936 (OP)
Part 2: Effectiveness:
>Apart from its legal issues, the deal was not at all effective against Iranian nuclear proliferation either.
>It was a partial measure as it didn't forbid everything nuclear related for Iran, it only limited them. While Iran appeared to follow through on some of these obligations, it is obvious that they were bent on continuing their nuclear project once their obligations expired (which would have happened this year btw), and in at least one instance fissile material was found on an undeclared site too (so if it wasn't obvious enough that they are not going to give up on the nuke, we have at least one solid proof that they indeed continued the project, only in secret, maybe slower just to avoid attention.)
>The IAEA, being entrusted with monitoring the project had many ways to check on Iran. On paper. Practically speaking, the deal was lax on these measured that Iran could easily weasel out of those requirements e.g. by delaying check ups, having enough time to move or disable stuff, "malfunctioning" cameras, etc..
>It was a kicking the can down the road thing too. Part of those obligations on Iran would have expired this year btw while the rest would have expired in 2030 after which they could have done whatever they wanted (as if they didn't before, as if the NPT wouldn't forbade this.)
>To sum it up: it just delayed the inevitable, it didn't forbid anything nuclear for good, and the prescribed inspection elements were easily fooled by the Iranian regime.

>>508898936 (OP)
Part 3: Reality:
>Not only it was illegal and ineffective but it was also foolish. The deal gave "pallets of cash" and further sanctions relief to the Iranian regime which was then spent on their proxies and ballistic missiles mostly. How could anyone justify this? Iran was smart in that sense, since they gained a ton of stuff in exchange for... giving up nothing really. A short delay in their nuclear project (and again, they didn't completely stop that either, only slowed it down) and they got everything else they wanted.
>If you think about it, the US actively financed and assisted a hostile regime. Just dumb.
>It is all the more dumb after seeing the results of the past 2 years. Iran indeed used its proxies and ballistic missiles to attack Israel, which allegedly was not the goal of Obama (no value judgement here, just pointing out the facts).
>It's also funny seeing how absurdly weak the Iranian regime proved to be... I mean, if Obama's reasoning was that diplomacy was better than war because Iran can meaningfully hurt the US even without the nuke... then he was flat out wrong. If Trump didn't stop Israel (and further US bombings) the regime would have been destroyed in a month or two. And not a single soldier would have died in the process, I mean... that's just unprecedented.
>All in all, Iran is a bad actor that never would have kept the spirit of any agreement. But why even negotiate with a regime like that? An enemy of the US, a regime that is weak and easily stoppable for good, so why give them money? Pretty much the biggest luck of Iran rn is that Trump is gunning for the Nobel Prize so he wants to wrap up all ME conflicts.