Thread 508931052

Stalin is a counter revolutionary that implemented state capitalism which ultimately led to the collapse of the Soviet Union after Trotsky led the Red Army to victory. What we can learn from this is that we have nothing to lose but our chains and ziggers are kill.

>>508931052 (OP)
Lenin literally enforced NEP

>>508931052 (OP)
>Stalin is a counter revolutionary that implemented state capitalism which ultimately led to the collapse of the Soviet Union after Trotsky led the Red Army to victory. What we can learn from this is that we have nothing to lose but our chains and ziggers are kill.
This is absolutely correct.
The Stalinists, in the late 80s and 90s, even dissolved the USSR deliberately, in favor of capitalism.
The Stalinists and their bloated bureaucracy were never true international socialism.
Trotsky was the real deal.
The only problem with Marxism is its intolerance of religion, which human beings need.

>>508931180
Yes, Lenin wanted to modernize Russia using capitalist methods, since according to Marx's "stages of history" model, based on Hegelian philosophy, socialism can only emerge from a fully developed capitalist society.
The World Socialist Web Site is a great source of information on Trotskyist thought today.

>>508931052 (OP)
>Trotsky led the Red Army
he just took the credit. you got it all backwards.

>>508931052 (OP)
Marx said communism can only happen in a state that long since left agrarian feudalism behind and was already transformed by bourgeois capitalism. That was countries like France and England where the bourgeois deposed or sidelined their monarchies long ago and bourgeois ruled.
Russia never had that by 2017 so a proletariat revolution was LITERALLY impossible according to Marx. What ended up happening was a bourgeois revolution under the guise of a proletariat one, which is extremely twisted even by Jewish standards.
EVERY communist state in history was the same situation, agrarian places untouched by bourgeois rule. And ALL of them were just state capitalism with a red flag

>>508931052 (OP)
Stalin was an evil, ugly, subhuman sack of shit and pus who kept getting promoted. Soviet times were absurdist (a Russian variation of surrealism).
Stalin now writhes and cries in horrible pain living in the eternal Hell the Russian people created for him and dumped him in to rot.

>>508931261
modernize Russia by taking loans from Britain to build new factories which they destroyed for no reason.
Genius vengeful kike

>>508931184
>The only problem with Marxism is its intolerance of religion, which human beings need.

That is the only thing that Marxists are certainly correct on. Religion is a coping mechanism but it also breeds bad habits and stagnation.

Succinctly, Trotsky wrote: “The Perspective of permanent revolution may be summarized in the following way: the complete victory of the democratic revolution in Russia is conceivable only in the form of the dictatorship of the proletariat, leaning on the peasantry. The dictatorship of the proletariat, which would inevitably place on the order of the day not only democratic but socialistic tasks as well, would at the same time give a powerful impetus to the international socialist revolution. Only the victory of the proletariat in the West could protect Russia from bourgeois restoration and assure it the possibility of rounding out the establishment of socialism.”

We have our work cut out for us, gentlemen.

>>508931052 (OP)
Are you really interested in discussing clowns?

>>508931715
Yes, but also put theory to praxis.

Thots and Trots

>>508931685
You are not Norwegian, you construct sentences as if Russian is your native language.
Moreover, you spread ideas that are unlikely to captivate the average Norwegian, because the average Norwegian is a hard-working, hard-working person who knows that people are not equal and that those who work live well. You spread the ideas of lazy Jews who sacrificed 20 million ethnic Russians to fulfill their interests. Therefore, you cannot be ethnically Russian either. But I have already exposed that your native language is Russian. So: you are not Russian, but you grew up in a Russian-speaking environment. Question: who are you? Jews or Muslim churk?

>>508931975
I am baby.

>>508931576
>That is the only thing that Marxists are certainly correct on. Religion is a coping mechanism but it also breeds bad habits and stagnation.
>>508931576
You are a kike.

>>508931483
Russia needs modernization and advanced capitalism, like America and Europe have, if it is to reach the next stage of history, which is socialism or the rule of the proletariat.

>>508931052 (OP)
You are a failed experiment.

>>508931052 (OP)
Lenin lived and died a cowardly insecure jew like the rest. A man of pure concentrated jewish evil, contempt for the chosen people (Aryans), and daddy issues. Stalin wasn’t great but he was like Hitler compared to Lenin

>>508931052 (OP)
This "state capitalism" Leninism shit seems enivitable in any modern day nation daring to go commie mode
I think it'd be fine if there would actually be a way to facilitate checks and balances for bureaucrats and politicians, but real ones not fake and gay ones like in capitalism. Like, normies point to the free market as some sort of preventative measure of the government becoming over-bearing, so commies need to conjure up actual functional and practical reasons a bureaucratic elite would stay loyal to the cause and the people, this time without the kind of lies and cognitive dissonance attributed to shit like the free market.
Alternatively, some real implentations in the first world of workers owning the means of their production, even in limited regions, can be a light to their respective countrymen and the world, if they manage to own the trajectory of their communities in a way that utterly mogs bullshit liberal capitalist societies. Easier said than done though, as cooperation for the sake of a horizontal orginzation I only see prevailing if neolib conditions start to deteriorate and don't improve.
I could not imagine the soviet union having gone any other way when Germany and others failed to achieve a socialist revolution, as whoever was in charge was going to face off with western elites who absolutely had the means to mobilize armies against them, because they owned the means of production and thus the leverage they had over 99.9% of military aged males at all times incredible. The soviet union needed the same sort of leverage to counter this, and wealth generation to fund allies and create buffers against the west.
We should unironically take steps to move away from trying to build sound ideologies or articles similar to a consitution, our goals and dignity should be reflected in our economic mode of existence, not something that says "I prommy"
We have nothing to lose but our chains

>>508934795
>I think it'd be fine if there would actually be a way to facilitate checks and balances for bureaucrats and politicians, but real ones not fake and gay ones like in capitalism.
Yeah, giving the state total power will surely result in limiting said state's power.

>>508934934
States under liberal democracies are not neutral institutions and the actual ratio of the things they implement that are in the interests of the ruling class vs. the working class is laughable. But hey, maybe I can be proven wrong here. I know a lot of the time the state has implemented cool things but historically this has been under tons of pressure from people who call themselves socialists and communists.
I just think what are referred to as checks and balances in capitalism fall flat when the big boys want to override or undermine something. True authority is silent.

>>508931184
>This is absolutely correct
no, "state capitalism" happened in 1965

>A centerpiece of these changes was the introduction of profitability and sales as the two key indicators of enterprise success
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1965_Soviet_economic_reform

>>508931184
>human beings NEED fantasy lies and utter unadulterated bullshit
So we're only half-sapient then.

>>508933312
>you said something I disagree with so you're Jewish
Dumbass.