Thread 508934993 - /pol/ [Archived: 742 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 7:43:53 AM No.508934993
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I think what bothers me about Wyatt Stagg's videos is that he presents what he thinks is the hidden message, and it's a number of ideas he believes are implanted into the viewer, but the thing that bothers me is this notion of "dangerous ideas" and how the only counter is "it's bad", well turn off the laptop and don't watch it then, ideas are ideas, if you actually have arguments, actual facts and truth to attack those ideas with, guess what they're not dangerous anymore, they're just wrong. Also all his takes are totally speculative.

https://youtu.be/E93ZWqUgc-k
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Anonymous ID: hCXTF55WCanada
6/28/2025, 7:48:27 AM No.508935195
Watched that one yesterday. Seemed pretty spot on. Maybe I'm just retarded.
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Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 8:16:04 AM No.508936415
>>508935195
Maybe I'm asking too much. If he thinks there's a certain message and he tells us about it I guess that's fine, we can do the rest of the work on our own. I don't know, I have the same thoughts about a lot of stuff online, that it doesn't go very deep.

Saw this in the comment section, I thought that was a good question.

>How exactly do you research a video which is entirely speculative and subjective interpretation? What did you find specifically through *research*? Name one thing.

But there's another thing, which I hinted at in the OP. And I guess that's the main thing I wanted to discuss. It's that notion of "dangerous ideas" being implanted into the viewers. I find that strange. Say viewers get erroneous ideas implanted into them, there should be two options then. Either A) you can refute these ideas, show what's wrong with them, attack them with truth, and then they are just wrong, you shouldn't be threatened by them. Or B) you can't refute the ideas, because they are right, and then what, that means you feel threatened by the truth.

What I think is the deal with the "dangerous ideas" perhaps is that we're not dealing with pure ideas, arguments or propositions, but rather with emotional conditioning of the viewers. The viewers are programmed to have positive or negative responses to certain ideas or things, and are programmed to associate certain things with certain other things. And he thinks the danger lies in this, what it will lead to, the consequences of this conditioning.

I don't know what to make of it. I think even if there is conditioning going on you can break down the content of a movie, including the hidden message, into pure ideas, devoid of emotion, and then address these ideas. Perhaps even the process involving the viewers being conditioned and the consequences of that can be included in this idea analysis.
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Anonymous ID: ms633Ep3United States
6/28/2025, 8:22:42 AM No.508936691
I think the biggest message in the movie is that "genetics don't matter" and that's why more jewish than whatever jew angle he's reading into the movie, but that's just me.

The movie really tries to imply that you can just "try hard" to overcome genetic deficits.
Anonymous ID: hCXTF55WCanada
6/28/2025, 8:34:11 AM No.508937198
>>508936415
I think subconscious conditioning is the main aspect of it. That's the whole idea behind predictive programming. Getting the audience to accept/be familiar with something before it happens in the zeitgeist.
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Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 8:42:05 AM No.508937543
>>508937198
Alright but I don't think you're really addressing my point. Anyway all his videos leave a lot to be desired in my opinion.
Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 9:23:15 AM No.508939237
bump
Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 9:23:49 AM No.508939259
Why is this one Swedish poster always so hung up on Wyatt Stagg? Sounds like someone with crippling nostalgia that can not handle definitive proof that you were conditioned by all this Hollywood slop as a kid.
More great content by Stagg btw. Now cry some more about it with all your shallow sophistry, OP.
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Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 9:24:42 AM No.508939297
>>508939259
lame post
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 9:28:19 AM No.508939459
>>508936415
>Either A) you can refute these ideas, show what's wrong with them, attack them with truth, and then they are just wrong, you shouldn't be threatened by them. Or B) you can't refute the ideas, because they are right, and then what, that means you feel threatened by the truth.
But these ideas are refuted. They do get deconstructed in his videos and he shows all the time why they are dishonest and malicious. Sounds more like you feel threatened by this guys content. Sounds more like you feel threatened because you can not really refute any of it. Which is why you project.
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 9:29:14 AM No.508939498
>>508939297
Is that all you got? No answers? Nothing? Just this?
I accept your defeat then.
Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 9:51:34 AM No.508940382
propositions
propositions
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It seems to me that what he sees in movies is a narrative being programmed into the viewer.

What is a narrative? A collection of propositions. What is a proposition? Something is something else, or something is not something else. X is Y, or X is not Y.

>Saturated fat is unhealthy

is one example.

I guess one form of conditioning or programming is implanting propositions into people's minds. So for example "saturated fat is unhealthy". Like the "sleep-learning" in Brave New World. People would then have a programmed response, in terms of what they associate with a certain word or phrase. Every time someone heard "saturated fat" for example they would have a knee-jerk reaction to think "unhealthy".

https://youtu.be/BhIIPbO_6xg

But where exactly lies the danger? In the consequences of people's thoughts, ideas, behavior?

A proposition is either true or false.

"Saturated fat is unhealthy" is either true or false. Either saturated fat is unhealthy, or it's not. Every proposition can have its truth or falsehood supported by arguments. "Saturated fat is not unhealthy" is not an argument, but just a counterproposition.

Wyatt Stagg presents zero arguments against the propositions he claims are being programmed into the viewer. Again, where lies the danger? In people believing false propositions? Then why doesn't he present arguments for the propositions he believes are true, arguments against the false propositions in question? He never does.

https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt
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Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 9:59:04 AM No.508940691
>>508939459
Ad hominem. No, he never presents arguments. Only counterpropositions. He seems to think it's dangerous and bad that we are programmed with false propositions, and his only counter is to say it's wrong and bad and occasionally to try to brainwash back, with counterpropositions. This is not how you refute false propositions, you refute with arguments.
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 10:00:01 AM No.508940740
>>508940382
>Then why doesn't he present arguments for the propositions he believes are true, arguments against the false propositions in question? He never does.
But he does do that. All the time. In pretty much every video on his channel. His content is all about exposing the loxism of Hollywood. You are just choosing to not see what he is pointing at in his analysis. Because you are biased and dismissive.
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Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 10:02:47 AM No.508940871
>>508940740
I have not seen one argument by him. Again, only propositions. It seems like you don't know the difference.
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 10:07:08 AM No.508941045
>>508940691
>Ad hominem
You are fickle. You are very, very fickle. Which only means that what I said is not really ad hominem at all.
>and occasionally to try to brainwash back, with counterpropositions
And this is why I maintain that you are just biased and dismissive. When you approach the material with this kind of attitude there is really no use arguing anything further with you. You are just dead set on discrediting something you feel struck a nerve in you. You feel harmed by it because you actually realize its validity but your bias wants you to discredit it.
I realize this will just be a complete dead end of a discussion because if anyone is narrow minded about things its actually you. Everything is either 1 or 0 to you.
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 10:09:59 AM No.508941159
>>508940871
>I have not seen one argument by him
Because you are not looking for those. You don't want to see them. Because you think they are ebil and wrong because they just are according to you.
>>508940871
>Again, only propositions. It seems like you don't know the difference.
Oh I know the difference. You are just missaplying things on purpose because you want to look smart.
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Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 10:23:36 AM No.508941750
proposition vs argument
proposition vs argument
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>>508941045
I agree that this discussion is totally fruitless. But the reason is that you know absolutely nothing about logic. First learn what the difference is between a proposition and an argument. Next learn what ad hominem means.

https://youtu.be/U3Jm8zF7bJ8&t=2543

After that I recommend that you begin studying beginner materials on logic, for example one of the materials I linked in this thread:

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/508076799/
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Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 10:24:34 AM No.508941786
>>508941159
>Oh I know the difference.
Tell me what the difference is.
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 10:32:10 AM No.508942119
>>508941750
>I agree that this discussion is totally fruitless
Great. We are making progress.
>But the reason is that you know absolutely nothing about logic
Because your hurt feelings says so?
>First learn what the difference is between a proposition and an argument
I already know the difference. And that you are missaplying those difference in relation to the topic of this thread.
>Next learn what ad hominem means
You should teach yourself what that means first before lecturing others.
>>508941786
If you even bother to watch the entire video its clear an argument against the films message is presented at the end of the video. Not just a proposition (i.e. something that can be interpreted as either true or false).
You are one of the wors pseuds I have ever come across here.
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 10:40:16 AM No.508942449
>>508942119
Oh and sure. You will say that the films narrative is proposed to be what it is by the content creator. But you are not even offering any refutation of that proposition besides "eh its just a proposition and I will say its probably wrong because I just want it to be wrong hi hi" through all of your rambling. Meaning its obviously very difficult for you to refute that proposition and the arguement then made on top of it.
You are just running in a circle with it all.
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Anonymous ID: DYwIZWTSSweden
6/28/2025, 10:51:19 AM No.508942890
>>508942119
>>508942449
You do a whole lot of attacking me as a person instead of attacking my points. I fail to see the argument at the end. What do you mean that it is? As with other videos of his the message is just

>you should lie down and die, it's what's good, is the message of the movie
>but this is false, this is not what's good but what's bad, so believe the opposite and do the opposite, don't lie down and die but fight for your existence
zero arguments there, just
>this is the proposition
>it's false, believe the opposite
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 11:01:06 AM No.508943243
>>508942890
>You do a whole lot of attacking me as a person instead of attacking my points
Its one and the same and I have to do it in order to pick apart your asinine ramblings. That you take all of this personally also speaks volumes.
>I fail to see the argument at the end
Because you don't want to see it and if you do see it you want to dumb it down and oversimplify it out of spite. Which is what you proceeded to do in the greentext here. And then call the argument a proposition just to feel extra smart about yourself.
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Anonymous ID: os7UpYx6France
6/28/2025, 11:02:18 AM No.508943280
>>508934993 (OP)
Oh shit he made a new video thank you !!
Anonymous ID: hCXTF55WCanada
6/28/2025, 11:04:15 AM No.508943338
Sounds like op is just coping that Stagg's videos hit too hard and bring all that childhood nostalgia crashing down.
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Anonymous ID: VmE0iRNGSweden
6/28/2025, 11:25:31 AM No.508944120
>>508943243
>>508943338
You contributed nothing to this thread. Learn basic logic.
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Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 11:30:15 AM No.508944273
>>508944120
Logic is not just something you can throw at someone you have no argument left in the tank against. Seems rather illogical of you if anything. And petty.
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Anonymous ID: VmE0iRNGSweden
6/28/2025, 11:34:07 AM No.508944392
>>508944273
Our discussion was utterly futile, because you don't know basic logic. I gave you links, it's just me helping you so your discussions in the future won't be as worthless as this one, it's something which will benefit you. We don't learn any logic at all in school. You have to study it on your own.
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Anonymous ID: 0R0PknVUGermany
6/28/2025, 11:46:22 AM No.508944854
moby dick is in fact not the white man
Anonymous ID: X4y/PNHJSweden
6/28/2025, 11:57:55 AM No.508945281
>>508944392
And yet you act as if you didn't get your milque toast arrogance from school. Logic isn't just a word you can throw at people you're in disagreement with.
You're right though. Talking to you was utterly futile. I'm going to do something productive with my time now instead. Thanks for nothing.
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Anonymous ID: UVFsKo4wUnited States
6/28/2025, 12:00:16 PM No.508945384
>>508934993 (OP)
Heโ€™s right. Turning it off doesnโ€™t work. We need a ministry of public enlightenment.
Media is a weapon to mobilize boomers. We must be aware of this and work to neutralize/counter.
Anonymous ID: VmE0iRNGSweden
6/28/2025, 12:01:07 PM No.508945419
>>508945281
I learned logic through self-study. And that knowledge makes me see that you don't know any of it, and that you're therefore incapable of intellectual discourse and should study logic.
Anonymous ID: UVFsKo4wUnited States
6/28/2025, 12:01:28 PM No.508945431
>>508939259
>>508939297
Stop watching โ€œAmericanโ€ media.
I always hated the slop โ€œmyโ€ country made.
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Anonymous ID: 0R0PknVUGermany
6/28/2025, 12:03:23 PM No.508945497
I give him 28 days later thats about it
Anonymous ID: VmE0iRNGSweden
6/28/2025, 12:04:24 PM No.508945543
>>508945431
Yet another worthless post. This thread is about Wyatt Stagg and his questionable content.
Anonymous ID: Fnjl13YZPortugal
6/28/2025, 12:07:45 PM No.508945685
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>>508934993 (OP)
>Also all his takes are totally speculative.
incorrect.
no wonder a snownigger came up with Ikea. you sure are fucking dumb.
Anonymous ID: 0R0PknVUGermany
6/28/2025, 12:08:39 PM No.508945723
minus points for breaking bad, walter white is named white for innocence and "bland" not for for having a white skin color

the series is a hot pot of writers and narratives, they added the nazi thing slap dash at the end to absolve spics from drug dealing

the german company madrigal is a stand in for the chinese but they had to avoid censorship obviously
Anonymous ID: qyXDRpGOGermany
6/28/2025, 12:53:09 PM No.508947529
logic
logic
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Anonymous ID: v32YNSJHUnited Kingdom
6/28/2025, 1:09:54 PM No.508948228
>>508939259
He is an Amarnite Art Faggot