Christianity is inherently guilt based (original sin being a consequence of slave moralism) and most people in the west experience white guilt, Christian or not (guilt of non-racial factors too like being a male or straight, just the entire identity politics phenomenon). If we want to revive the vitality of the West then getting rid of guilt is essential. Since Christianity is built around original sin it needs to be destroyed from its very roots. Unless you know of a Christianity that does not believe in (original) sin which would be strange (but interesting) since
1. the entire narrative of the Garden of Eden falls and the mythology has a radically different tone
2. if Jesus did not die for (our) sins, so what did he die for? What was actually virtuous of him?
3. Without original sin man can become equal to God or at least ascend. Many Christians fear this because they have been taught to fear (their Jewish version of) God. Also, many antisemite Christians see this way of thinking (man as God/ascending) as Jewish because religious Jews also actually want to become Gods (JWO) but that is radically different from paganism.

>>508983870 (OP)
Guilt allows humility. The real question should be, in an ever-secularizing Western world, why do agnostic Irish Catholics still experience the symptoms of guilt? Perhaps it isn't the religion after all.

God predestined everything, there is no free will and by consequence there is no sin. One time Jesus was asked what is the sin of the world? And Jesus answered the world has no sin. God in all his perfection crafted this realm. It's supposed to be instense. It's supposed to crush you. It's supposed to destroy you. This is purification of the soul, and bigger still it's a way to spend time in eternity. Big picture thinking by God. What will you have in 1,500,000 years?

>Original sin being a consequence of slave moralism
No. The original sin was Adam and Eve disobeying God, and thus all of their descendants were birthed into sin. We're not supposed to feel guilt for their sins or our own in some existential way. We are only supposed to acknowledge them for what they are - sins.
Do you think Paul could have traveled thousands of miles by foot and by horse if he had a guilty conscience? We are known by our fruits, not by our guilts. Guilts are a relic of the old Israeli law. We are guilty in the eyes of God, not in our own eyes. We should not assign existential guilt to ourselves or others for our same transgressions, otherwise we are acting as our own god.

Jesus died as a way for God to show us that he is sorry for the pain he's caused us, it was God's atonement and repentance. He stopped demanding sacrifices. All was paid for.

>>508984510
No, we are not guilty in God's eyes. God made us perfectly. To deny our perfection is to deny God's perfection.

>>508984629
Your theological interpretation of the bible is retarded.

>>508983870 (OP)
you are gay

>>508983870 (OP)
why are you gay

>>508983870 (OP)
Technically original sin was abolished when Christ was crucified. I say this as a Christian btw.

>>508984757
Nope, it is facts. We're in a video game. It's impossible to have fun if there's no enemies in a video game, ain't it? Every bad person was made by God. And Satan only answers to God. But it's part of the show that people believe it's all separate when we are all one in God. I love this show.

>>508985016
God can't help, you must touch the grass my friend.

>>508983870 (OP)
christianity is a retarded religion that basically states you were created in god's image, like in a laboratory... and you were also created with original sin, so you were designed defective and have no way of being saved by design, but give some jews some shekels to make you think they outsmarted god

>>508984066
>Guilt allows humility.
In what sense? To be humble, or more like accepting when you are you are not the center of the world, and take things more in to simpler matters, have it at balanced ground and down to earth, not necessary taking it to higher prims of self manifestation, and even if you seek grandeur reflection of the self towards others, don't expect them to be impressed because you want to be perseived as humble? Perhaps?
Take it lightly , life is just not words specially when those words can be manipulated towards self centered ageda .

To much words and "meanings" = too much ketchup
Words like ketchup, when all I need is real feeling
ketchup = word


Feeling is real, words are just sometimes >ketchup

>>508983870 (OP)
Christcucks don't even know the god they worship. You expect them to think about their beliefs critically? Lmao

>>508985635
when you observe how christcucks are and how much they invoke jesus or some delusional relationship they have with jesus, they're basically saying they should be seen as they're the center of the world, because of jesus and their fictional relationship with him, since they want to force everyone else to believe that jesus is the center of the world as much as they fool theirselves into believing the bullshit

like look at the jews, they don't want anyone just using something from nature or "god" like marijuana because that would directly compete against something from a laboratory, but then contradict theirselves by saying niggers are better than the so called retards that believe they were created in "god's" image from a lab

jews are so fucking retarded that when they even imply that everyone should see the god damn niggers as the "image" everyone else was made in, as if the stupid god damn subhumans are "god" then there's absolutely no god damn logic to needing to racemix with the ugly god damn retarded black subhuman shitskin niggers, or is that just some kikery about "god" being a slave and the "image" you're created in is slavery... just not theirselves as god damn annoying jews because they "outsmarted" god with their faggot kike ass to some ugly nigger's bbc

>>508983870 (OP)
Guilt isn’t a Christian invention; it’s the built‑in alarm of conscience. Paul says even pagans have “the work of the law written in their hearts” (Rom2:15). Christianity doesn’t invent guilt, it diagnoses a real disease and then supplies the cure.

1) Original sin ≠ slave morality. Nietzsche called it weakness, but Scripture says all have sinned (Rom3:23), rulers and slaves alike. Christianity doesn’t crush vitality; it frees people from sin’s bondage. The West’s courage, science, and justice didn’t grow from shame, but from men forgiven and reborn.

2) Eden explains reality. Genesis 3 shows why evil exists in both man and society. Without it, you either deny evil (Gnosticism) or blame structures alone (Marxism), both crumble under historical evidence.

3) The Cross ends guilt, never feeds guilt. Christ absorbs the penalty of sin so justice and mercy can flow. “No condemnation” remains for those in Him (Rom8:1). That’s not weakness, it’s victory, and it frees men to live boldly.

4) True ascent is by union, not self‑exaltation. Scripture still promises theosis, “partakers of the divine nature” (2Pet1:4), but as gift, not self-deification. Babel tried the ladder without repentance; it collapsed. Paganism grasps for godhood; Christ gives it as a gift through death and rebirth.

5) White guilt politics is post‑Christian, not biblical. “White guilt,” “male guilt,” etc., all come from secular moralism that kept the concept of sin but threw away forgiveness. It shames endlessly and never redeems.

Reject Christ and you lose the cure for guilt. Keep Christ and guilt is replaced with joy, fear with sonship, and people free from self‑condemnation can build cathedrals again instead of grievance pyramids.

>>508983870 (OP)
Original sin was invented by Augustine, a professional liar (trained rhetorician) who was not even Christian but gained popularity among Christians by acting literally like the Jordan Peterson of his day "owning the libz" and arguing on behalf of Christians against certain critics.
They took him under their wing and ended up paying him tons of money and eventually he "converted".
Augustine's rise was during the reforms done by Theodosius in Byzantium which actually founded the Catholic creed. Christianity was Arian at the time and most Romans were actually pagan.
Nicene Christianity was totally new, but money from Constantinople was supporting it as a means to re-colonize Italy from the Goths.

Augustine invented original sin for two reasons:
1) To justify allowing Christians and priests to sin.
2) To, yes, make Christianity into a slave religion. The peasants (pagani) especially were pagan still, so they needed a framework that had them obey the church and not ask questions or worry about what Christians actually believed or not.

Also, debt capitalism and usury is a slave system. There's a version of capitalism where loans are investments and the banks carry the risk, not the borrower. Debt forces everyone but the banks to bear the burden of loss, putting the banks in permanent market advantage, leading to an accumulation of wealth that warps price structures and prices the non-wealthy out of having market power (bargain for good wages, good housing costs, keep economics local if trade economics become parasitical, etc.)

>>508983870 (OP)
guilt comes in when your subconscious convict you of sin. you know deep down you disappointed God.
>2. if Jesus did not die for (our) sins, so what did he die for? What was actually virtuous of him?
he died for sinners.

>>508986476
and kikes want to larp how much they love niggers as "god" because they love to feel like they outsmarted "god" by enslaving "god" such as the dumb retarded niggers, into their debt or usury slavery

>>508986377
Conscience is god-awareness.
Eden is an Egyptian myth. Hercules fighting the serpent of Atlas for the golden apples is the same myth. Atum is primordial consciousness who self-creates into male and female forms.

Brigham Young the Mormon had the lightest initiation into Kabbalah and was already teaching the obvious: that Adam IS God. That the God of the garden was Adam himself.

Original sin was a retarded Assyrian concept that Augustine ran with.

Conscience isn't about guilt, it's about conviction and integrity. Guilt is just an emotion, not an imperative. Restitution and a sense of justice is an imperative.

Catholicism focuses on guilt because it is absolutely a slave religion.

Also the Catholic Eden story makes no sense. Why would God put Adam and Eve in a place where He knew they would disobey Him?

>>508986377

Shit up libturd

Christianity is a retarded jew cult.

>>508983870 (OP)
>Since Christianity is built around original sin it needs to be destroyed from its very roots.
Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Read this post...

https://x.com/elitefeat/status/1799553063390154856
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This planet is not Earth. It is Bozrah.

Earth is another planet about 75,000 light years from here, whereas this planet is merely an impostor planet that calls itself "Earth." Big difference. And trust me, I know how to count to 10 seconds, ACCURATELY. What used to be 10.00 seconds (for me) is now a whopping 15.00 seconds! If you don't believe me, see Matthew 24:22 and Revelation 8:12. For the natives, though, the speed of time here has always been the same.

If you are a Bozrah native, you are in serious trouble. The people of this planet must acknowledge that Bozrah is not Earth and that Jesus is coming to destroy it. Otherwise, don't expect God to save you.
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The following is critical: The event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this planet isn't Earth. It's Bozrah.

>>508986377
Conscience is god-awareness.
Eden is an Egyptian myth. Hercules fighting the serpent of Atlas for the golden apples is the same myth. Atum is primordial consciousness who self-creates into male and female forms.

Brigham Young the Mormon had the lightest initiation into Kabbalah and was already teaching the obvious: that Adam IS God. That the God of the garden was Adam himself.

Original sin was a retarded Assyrian concept that Augustine ran with.

Conscience isn't about guilt, it's about conviction and integrity. Guilt is just an emotion, not an imperative. Restitution and a sense of justice is an imperative.

Catholicism focuses on guilt because it is absolutely a slave religion.

Also the Catholic Eden story makes no sense. Why would God put Adam and Eve in a place where He knew they would disobey Him?

>>508986377
>but Scripture says
stopped reading here

original sin is saved by baptism. there is no such actual thing as "white guilt".

>>508983870 (OP)
Except literally no one (except for Jesus) is perfect and everyone sins.
You feel guilt because you knew that whatever you did was wrong, but you did it anyway. We all have an inherent internal understanding of good and evil, but we still do bad things anyway. This moral knowledge is a big part of what distinguishes humans from every other animal.
Animals do all kinds of fucked up shit to each other, but it isn't a sin because they don't have the moral understanding of right and wrong that humans and God have.
After Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil, they immediately felt guilt because they understood that what they did was wrong. And ever since, we have been held to a higher standard in a sense. We would need to be perfectly sinless to be one with God again in paradise, which is impossible for everyone who isn't Jesus Christ.
However, salvation is still possible through Jesus Christ. God offers the gift of His love and forgiveness to anyone who repents for their sins and accepts His love and forgiveness.

>>508983870 (OP)
The Flesh IS Death.
gods fashioned Man in the image of gods.
Circumcision is thus a critical issue. Your vessel is an Idol!
This axiom is true before the Eden and breathing Life into Adam does The Lord God.
The eden temple/tabernacle/mountaintop allowing the hybridizing war of the serpent seed cuckoldry through the line of cain. This Strong Delusion is Legion's holdout.
Christ defeats death because killing the prophets is a tradition of man.
Does the made thing say of its maker, He did not understand?

>>508984510
Adam was deceived by Eve and why would we be blamed for what Adam did thousands of years before?

Both the old and new testimate also state the Fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor shall children be put to death for the fathers.

We are not accountable for Adam's sins, nor is Adam accountable for our sins. You are responsible for your own sins.

>>508988478
>Adam was deceived by Eve
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

the original sin was mixing with satan, cain being the result of that mixture and the father of all kikes

>>508986831
>Guilt is just an emotion, not an imperative. Restitution and a sense of justice is an imperative.
Guilt is just you judging yourself for doing something wrong. It's not a bad thing, if you have a functional sense of morality, then you should feel guilt when you do bad things.
White guilt and all of the other identity politics bullshit guilt only exists because all of the woke leftist social justice stuff is based on an extremely flawed and insane moral framework.
It's a grotesque perversion of Christian morality and ethics, which completely removes Christ and God and the possibility of salvation, and treats weakness and victimhood as the highest virtue. Under this corrupt morality, people commit the cardinal sins of being White or male or straight just for existing as White or male or straight.
And under woke morality, the things that Christianity may or may consider sins are good or bad depending on how virtuous or evil a person is, which is inherent to their racial or sexual identity. Trannies and fags can be completely disgusting degenerates and feel pride in it, while a trad White Christian married couple having lots of kids is somehow a bad thing. Karmello Anthony can stab someone in the chest and deserves to be rewarded because he is virtuous because he is black while the man he murdered is bad and deserved it because he was White.
>Why would God put Adam and Eve in a place where He knew they would disobey Him?
So when atheists and non-Christians ask why God couldn't just make a perfect paradise free from pain or suffering or evil and let humans live there instead of what we have, we can point to literally the first story in the Bible. He DID do that, but humans fucked it all up by immediately doing the one thing God told them not to do.

>>508986797
you are using a memeflag

>>508983870 (OP)
You are only guilty if you don't put faith in the gospel. The Gospel provides you with protection from all guilt and sin.

>>508988478
>Adam was deceived by Eve
Adam knew he wasn't supposed to eat the Fruit, but he did it anyway. God directly told Adam to not eat the Fruit, before he even made Eve from Adam's rib.
>Genesis2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
And then in the next chapter when the Serpent comes and tells Eve to eat the fruit, she repeats basically the same warning showing that she also was well aware of the fact that they weren't supposed to eat the fruit.
>why would we be blamed for what Adam did thousands of years before?
You aren't. What you inherited from Adam and Eve isn't some kind of blame for their sins, it's the Knowledge of Good and Evil that they acquired upon defying God and eating the fruit of the tree in the garden.
Their Original Sin gave you an inherent moral understanding of good vs evil, which is what makes you capable of and culpable for the sins you commit.
The other non-human animals in the Garden didn't eat the fruit, so they aren't capable of understanding right and wrong. If one lion kills another lion, it's not a sin because lions don't know that murder is wrong. It's just lions doing lion stuff.
However, you as a human know that murder is evil, so if you decide to murder someone it would obviously be a sin.
>You are responsible for your own sins.
Correct, because God made us in His image, and blessed us with free will and conscious minds, and you have a moral understanding of good and evil because Adam and Eve defied God and took on that knowledge/responsibility/standard for humanity. You don't have any excuses, and when you choose to sin, there needs to be justice. There needs to be consequences

>>508983870 (OP)
The original sin was a rejection of God’s right to rule/determine what is best for us. When Adam rejected God’s sovereignty by eating from the tree of knowledge, he gained insight into knowing what was good and bad, and therefore the responsibility of the choices that he made, in the same way that a child becomes responsible for their actions when they become an adult.
When Christ came to earth, his perfect, sinless life for 33 years proved that man could indeed match the same standard as God and rule himself…but paradoxically, this could only happen if they submitted to God and accepted him as the ultimate authority that knows best, which is why Christ asked for the cup of poison - dying as a blasphemer, the worst sin imaginable - to be taken away, “not as I will, but as you will.”. When Christ was dying on the cross and God withdrew his protection from him to test him to the limit, Jesus finally understood what it was like for the rest of man who had been divorced from God by sin. At that point, he might have felt like he had done something wrong, that he was dying for nothing…but in reality, it was to humble us and make us realise that if God had sent anyone but his own Son to die for our sins, we would never have the chance to be redeemed. I mean, if God’s own Son was asking why he had been forsaken, what hope would we have in the same situation?
That is why it is said that at the end of the 1000 year reign of Christ that he will subject himself before God, so that God may be all things to everyone. Humans just don’t have the capacity to rule themselves, in the same way that women don’t have the capacity to make rational decisions for the good of all. In terms of hierarchy, it goes
>God
>Christ
>Man
>Woman
>Children
But in the end, it will just be
>God
>Everyone