Why don't hydrogen fuel cells for a home get more air time by greenfags?

Downsides
>bulky
>heavy

Upsides
>no degradation, lasts pretty much forever
>infinitely scalable
>charge EVs whenever without slamming the grid

These things in every home could easily allow the grid to run on renewables, plus the added benefit of everyone having electrical storage in a disaster without having to thing about it.

I am starting to think environmentalists goals have nothing to do with the environment.

Not educated on this. Do they burn like a never ending angry sun like those electric scooters and Tesla batteries when damaged?

>>508985189
No, its just electrolysis

They're heavily invested in solar and wind and don't want their investment getting crushed

>>508985189
For automobile purposes.
>>>/o/28482284

>hydrogen
this can be done with natural gas

>>508984862 (OP)
>$37,000
>still need solar panels
>still need to pay for installation

>>508986098
Also white hydrogen.

>>508986138
>$500 labor day weekend rebate

>>508984862 (OP)
Fuel cells are absurdly expensive compared to batteries.
Bit of a double edge sword for the industry, no adoption because price is too high, no mass production to reduce prices because no adoption. Fuel cells are inferior to batteries for most applications if space and mass are of no issue, which is pretty much any static dwelling. They might have a use case for boats or aircraft, but fossil fuels work better in that case.

>>508984862 (OP)
34k lol like I have 34k in my bank right now

>>508984862 (OP)
>no degradation, lasts pretty much forever
Don't the electrodes degrade over time?
Regarding hydrogen, how is it stored, it has a tendency to damage any metal container it is put in.

>>508984862 (OP)
>Downsides
>>bulky
>>heavy
you forgot extremely dangerous. i wouldn't risk installing this shit in my house.

>>508986708
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/explosive-concentration-limits-d_423.html
Can't see it. Can't smell it. Has one of the widest ranges of explosive mixtures. It's a death wish.

>>508984862 (OP)
You'll be put on a monthly subscription plan to use it and some globohomo company will have complete control over the giant bomb inside your house

>>508986708
You know shit's bad when a Russian advocates for safety and precaution.

>>508985189
No, they go up in one massive fireball.

>>508987487
LOL. Had the same thought myself.

>>508986917
>Can't see it. Can't smell it.
And it always leaks.
No container exists that can store hydrogen indefinitely, the tiny hydrogen molecules pass any material.

If you store hydrogen in your basement or your garage the highly flammable gas will collect in your attic until one day it goes boom.

>>508986693
>Don't the electrodes degrade over time?
They do.
Current Li-ion batteries last longer than current fuel cells.

>>508984862 (OP)
>Why don't hydrogen fuel cells for a home get more air time by greenfags?

You get back about 50% of the electricity you put in due to entropy.

>>508984862 (OP)
>get hydrogen battery
>stick em on turntables at max speed
>enrich it to 80% over a few weeks
>strap it to a drone
>have ready to go hydrogen bomb

based

>>508985189
No, it explodes violently, not burns.

>>508984862 (OP)
Sometimes it's good to be reminded /pol/ is a lil dim.
Either you can hook your power generation directly up to the grid and let people use it wherever,
or you can lose power rectifying the generated AC power to DC, lose power using that DC power to generate hydrogen through hydrolysis, lose power compressing that hydrogen, lose power transporting the hydrogen, lose power turning the hydrogen back into DC electricity in a fuel cell, lose power turning that DC power back into AC power.
>>508985420
How do you think hydrogen gas is created?
>>508985457
Batteries are way higher energy density until you get to the size of large planes or ships
>>508986098
No it can't. Why do you think we burn natural gas to boil water in powerplants instead of running it through a fuel cell?
>>508986917
You can't smell natural gas either. That's why they added smelly chemicals

>>508988918
>How do you think hydrogen gas is created?
Not from solar or wind power lol.
99% of hydrogen is produced through chemical reactions of fossil fuels, only a token amount is "green hydrogen" produces through electrolysis.

>>508987887
Just make the hydrogen container out of the supernaturally impervious material that attics are made out of.

>>508986458
>Also white hydrogen.

White hydrogen aka primordial hydrogen is a jewish scam.

>>508984862 (OP)
>Why don't hydrogen fuel cells for a home get more air time by greenfags?
Hydrogen:
- Low energy density, hence why you need huge tanks running at extremely high pressures to store it.
- Embrittles and seeps through metals and then leaks everywhere, because naked protons are so small they can pass through solid objects, and cryogenic hydrogen storage isn't much better.
- Burns without a visible flame, so chances are you won't know if there is a fire until it has caught on to the point where it becomes unfightable.
- Explodes at almost any oxygen density, whereas petrol or diesel merely ignite and burn.

It's also not abundant on this planet and requires massive amounts of energy to extract.

>>508985189
Hydrogen is like 1000x more explosive than Lithium batteries, the combustion enthalpy of Hydrogen by mass is the highest of any fuel, 1L of compressed Hydrogen is like a mini-nuke.

>>508984862 (OP)
Downsides
>$35k
>explodes killing you and everyone in your home

>>508985189
they explode
also most commercial hydrogen is made through conversion of coal, not through electrolysis

>>508988488
underrated post
also checked

>>508987811
If we have so much storage now, why is your image only 8k?