now that the dust has settled who was in the wrong here?

>>509015664 (OP)
Ukraine. No seriously, they're the ones that did it.

Doesn't matter to me. Becoming reliant on Russian energy was a mistake to begin with.

>>509016133
Yup.

Russians did it to raise price of gas in Europe

>>509016133
>>509016153
>I'd rather freeze

Sometimes i think the whole Germanic supremacy thing is a myth because of you fuckers.

When a cheap resource presents itself, take it, especially if it means befriending a nuclear behemoth.

But hey, hope it was worth it, now we're reliant on the Jewnited States of Muttshartica. Enjoy the niggers

>>509016333
Nothing makes me happier than money, bbc, and weed

>>509016153
>>509016133
Realistically Europe will go back to buying Russian oil because it's cheaper and the US ran its soft power into the ground. Looking at the approval rates the US had in Europe in the 90s is wild, but after 2001 it fell off a cliff. So between two countries that Europe hates they'll buy from the one offering cheaper resources, the only alternative is kicking out the current leadership and dismantling the welfare state, but I sincerely doubt Europe will give up quality of life to go work in the coal mines or start another winter war to tap Russian resources.

>>509015664 (OP)
probably jews did this (Blinken/Zelensky) as they did 9/11

>>509015664 (OP)
What's really crazy is that there's enough oil and gas in the north sea to fuel all of western europe but you people are too pussywhipped to go out and extract it

>>509016333
You understand that the mutt shartmart, bbc, etc memes are mostly recent things right? It's a forced meme made by Europe because they wanted to sideline the US for cheap energy. I can understand conscientiously picking Russia for practical reasons, but people honestly believe this at this point. The US was like 85% white in the 80s with the majority of blacks in the south, all of the demographic shift came recently from hispanics and NAFTA. Stalin's favorite movie was Circus, it was about a woman in the US who was being threatened by a lynch mob for having a black baby who then fled to the USSR to find acceptance. The USSR had pro-diversity propaganda back when the US wouldn't even show a black guy on MTV in the 1980s. Literally the first black guy on MTV was Michael Jackson. In fact the US axed New Hollywood in 1989, there wasn't anything like gangsta rap prior to the 90s all of the nigger culture started picking up in the 2000s. If media is reality then reality radically changes almost every decade.

>>509016133
yeah much better to be reliant on russian proxxies

>>509016333
Did we freeze THOUGH?

>>509016403
JVPITER SENDS THE EU ARMY TO TAKE THEUKRAINE AND ITS GAS FIELDS

>>509016133
>>509016153
>>509016333
Just don't get overly reliant next time. You can still trade with Russia, just don't let them get more than a 10-20% market share. Develop multiple relationships from here on out with different countries and suppliers. Use the cheap routes to subsidize the increased price of the more expensive or volatile supply wise.
Keep a pipeline with Russia. Develop the gas fields Ukraine has taken back if the war actually ends (pic related). Get a pipeline through Turkey into Azerbaijan (and an offshoot into Iraq). Now that Syria is overthrown, take advantage and get the East-Med pipeline into Israeli offshore gas. Help the Saudis build a pipeline through Syria to get oil (and help them ramp up another East-West pipeline so Iran can't control if you get oil). Take advantage of how close Nigeria is. Keep a few LNG ports just to have the option. Etc.
Then play them all off against each other for price. Like an actual market. Don't rely solely on the U.S. either. Strategic Ambiguity made "The West" strong during the cold war by offering a plethora of solutions whenever a crisis presents itself. Just like with defense spending making the U.S. (and each one of it's weapons) a too big to fail institution (when in reality we could easily have generalist and specialized equipment), Europe is much too reliant on the U.S guaranteeing international trade and resource markets. This is asking for a major problem.
It will be expensive and potentially unpopular since it will ask Europe to take an active and deployed presence around the world. Militarily, Institutionally and Economically.

>>509015664 (OP).

I don't think Russians are seething at the loss of Nordstream. Russians will only seethe if Ordstream is lost. iykyk.

>>509016133
What about all tho heap products and services that you got?

>>509017933
The Swede is right. It's usually just energy with Russia.

>>509016333
You think Germanics do stupid things because you do not live around non-Germanics. Learning American history is literally watching someone win a 2 billion dollar lottery then burn the ticket to light a cigarette.
That is Angolem economics.

>>509016133
spbp. The cia should blow up more pipelines. There's plenty oil and gas in the north sea

>>509016133
Leave my country now you filthy muttoid nigger, becoming a vassal state to pissrael and its amerigolem will always be worse than even having to learn Russian.

>>509016276
>russians blew up their own pipeline
Nigger its been investigated by the dutch, they made a documentary about it even. they found the boat used, eye witnesses, they even spoke to the hohols who did it over the phone. It was hohols with american assistance. There's literally a rental fishing craft with residue from underwater explosives on it and every location that boat stopped that day had witnesses confirming ukrainian men on board.

Like Denmark. Damn Danes bruv

>>509017084
There's a study on that too, many europeans did freeze, cold killed more europeans than covid that winter. Not because there wasn't any gas but because it was prohibitively expensive so poor elderly people in damp homes just turned the heat off and died in their sleep. 80 year olds don't get through winter if its +3°c in their damp little rental home.

>>509018494
Yeah no thats bullshit

>>509018600
It is not, my energy bill almost hit €6.000 that year. Grocery stores were selling electric blankets and 'candles' for heating. It is entirely within reason poor people simply turn the heating off if there is no way for them to afford using it. The energy crisis in europe was very real and for the poor it was brutal.

>>509015664 (OP)
Germans mostly.
>you don't understand I HAVE to become dependent on Russian gas!!!!
Wtf were they thinking. Also fuck our politicians for allowing it.

>>509016133
You forgot to explain why it's a bad thing, jew

Literally everything from the Road and Belt initiative got crushed, Nordstream 2 just one key element of it. Then you could of course ask yourself who benefitted the most out of it.

Uhm I'm glad we got rid of Nordstream and Keystone XL. All that pollution killing the Earth and causing climate change. Ever heard of carbon emissions, sweetie?

>>509020220
It's bad because they started a war on Ukraine, does this even need to be said?

>>509020101
Some of our politicians made millions for lobbying that shit pipe.

>>509016133
Now we are reliant on American energy with a schizophrenic president

>>509015664 (OP)
United States everything has doubled in price or shrunk in size now from energy to food

>>509016133
>>509016153
you are close to getting it, but you still don't quite get it.

>>509016133
spbp

>>509016133
/thread
Becoming reliant on any nation is honestly a sure way to become a subject of their influence.
Imagine if they just kept their powerplants.

>>509015664 (OP)
Me

>>509016133
>>509016153
Befriending Russia was a retarded move. Buying Russian gas via jeet-mutt proxy for 300% of the initial price is true 200 iq move

>>509016133
spbp. The gas had stopped anyway before they blew up and I doubt the Germans would be retarded enough to start them up again after Russia's spergout.