Why should I hate "illegal" immigrants for risking their lives to seek a better life through hard work?
Doubly so when the main difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal one is their ability to shell out thousands of dollars in fees?
They pay taxes like you and me, unlike a certain small group of people

>>509017091 (OP)
Now show the cost of social benefits spent on these group of people
>pay taxes like you and me
Through which identification?

>>509017091 (OP)
Wow bro $96 billion.
Meanwhile

>>509017091 (OP)
Illegal immigration has eliminated scarcity from the low end labor market and increased demand on low income rentals.
It is literally a policy to help the rich and hurt the poor.
You are a useful idiot fighting to make the rich richer and the poor poorer

>>509017620

There's no way that's true.

>>509017620
Embarrassing misinfo as usual.

Too many immigrants at once is nerving for natives. Like the beaner invasion

>>509017091 (OP)
>Why should I hate "illegal" immigrants
Because they're assholes
Everyone that has to interact with them knows this
So, they must all go back

>>509018165
More than half of all welfare goes to illegals.
>>509018174
>the government census is disinfo
lol
https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrants-and-USBorn

>>509018174
Lol, citing AI slop

>>509017091 (OP)
So WHY didn't the feds, erm, enforce the law if they were illegal but filing?

>>509018377
Now its green card holders too? Make up your mind, your post is about illegal aliens. This post is about illegal aliens. The report made assumes variables, and worst case ones as shown.

>>509017091 (OP)
>Why should I hate "illegal" immigrants for risking their lives to seek a better life through hard work?
They can do so in their own country or following the proper channels. If pajeeets can follow the proper channels despite living knee deep in poo, spics living under armed gangs can too.
>Doubly so when the main difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal one is their ability to shell out thousands of dollars in fees?
H1-B jeets coming legally as workers aren't the ones paying the thousands of dollars in fees. It's the corps paying all the fees(which the government imposes to deter foreign workers unless actually needed though clearly it's not working).
>They pay taxes like you and me, unlike a certain small group of people
Lmao no. Illegals are paid under the table because employer's can't legally hire them so they don't pay income taxes nor medicare nor social security. While they can still benefit from government services because blue states are retarded and letting them take advantage. Though exact figures are almost impossible to measure accurately because they don't want ICE to notice and deport them.

>>509018174
ChatGPT is fully biased towards liberalism. Don't quote it without actual sources.

>>509018546
>just pay the $451 billion per year bro
Nah. Get the fuck out.

>>509017091 (OP)
I don’t hate illegals. They’re just here illegally and therefore they need to go back. Simple as.

>>509018676
>asumptions report
Didnt happen

>>509018722
>the government census is an assumption report
Coping retard.

>>509017091 (OP)
it has nothing to do with hatred, if they just want to work, or how much taxes they pay
a nation isn't based on people working and paying taxes alone. it's built on shared values, history and culture. most illegals and many immigrants don't want to assimilate, they just come here to make money. they're simply here for material and often clannish reasons, and they will continue to pursue those reasons even if its detrimental to the health of the nation

You're right, you shouldn't hate the immigrants
You should hate the people in power who let them in

>>509018783
Very credible report you got there. Very bi partisan. Estimates vary my intent.

>>509018917
Thanks.
More than your literal nothing provided other than coping tears.

It's stolen land. If you cant research your deed back to native Americans, it isn't yours.

>>509018917
It's not my problem you don't know how much of your tax dollars goes towards funding illegal aliens.

>>509019013
That UK said it best about wanting your land back.
"Shut the fuck up".

>>509019066
The UK used to say that. Go to the UK now and you'd think you they gave it back to poos as reparations

>>509018174
how has it been 11 million for 20 years?

>>509019013
>stolen
Conquered. There isn’t a fucking square inch of land on Earth that one tribe of humans hasn’t forcibly taken from another tribe at some point. By your logic we should all just kill ourselves en masse since we’re all on land that was stolen from some faggots whose very existence is lost to history

>>509019014
At least one of you admits most of the cost is to the individual local state and city and not the federal government. You want more gibs from blue states to your shitholes? Too bad now its being cut for everyone at the federal level. now your shitholes wont even be able to fund hospitals.

>>509017091 (OP)
immigration, legal or illegal, has ALWAYS been about keeping labor costs down.
There's a reason the working class has always opposed it and the rich have always supported it.
Again, you are a useful idiot

>>509018917
listen you nigger faggot
even if the illegals we costing us $1million dollars year we'd still want them to get the fuck out
how the fuck dont you fucking understand this you stupid faggot, get these faggots out and you can leave with them if you like them so much, you will not be missed

>why should i hate browns for undercutting me and doing a worse job so that some jew can get money that was meant for me
shitskin detected
kill yourself, paco

>>509019222
You arent picking strawberries lets get one fact straight. And no, nobody is paying you 30 dollars an hour +401k, + private health insurance to pick strawberries uneducated pile of shit. Wages are a cost to the business the higher the wages the more shit costs.

>>509017091 (OP)
>Why should I hate "illegal" immigrants for risking their lives to seek a better life through hard work?
This is exactly what the Israel settlers did. Why do most open borders types hate Israel?

>>509019332
Do you think strawberries were just never picked before the wonders of mass immigration or something

>>509019222
Otherwise it results in the tendency of the rate of profit to fall or slows GDP. The American rescue plan

>>509019401
This country has always had immigrant labor for this shit.

>>509017091 (OP)
Revenue is only half of the equation, now show expenditures

How are they paying taxes lol. Fuck them and anyone who supports them. Start taking employers into custody and handing out crippling fines. Shit will stop in two days.

>>509019483
yes but on visa you stupid faggot
they would be required to go back after the work permit expires but the criminals stay you fucking retard

>>509019205
>haha the $451 billion being stolen from you is happening on a state level instead of a government level
Riveting argument.

>>509019696
Do you realize how stupid the initial post is then? How is a visa any different for bringing prices down (a good thing) and wages down (something you are bitching about) wages of jobs nobody wants to do.

>>509019332
It's not about strawberries. It's about democrats never stopped being the party of slavery.

>>509018174
Illegal hands typed this. Also, youre an illegal using fucking chatgpt. It tells you what you want to hear.

>>509019332
fucking boomer pretending illegals only work in agriculture and agricultural automation doesn't exist
At least you're honest about it though
Being a greedy prick is better than being a useful idiot

>>509019811
Again the gop house report has no credibility.
>im gonna complain about what blue states do in blue states.
That money isnt going to you either way. I do notice how the economies in blue states are the ones that donate the most to the government. While red states leech of the federal government.

>>509019979
>the government census is a rightwing conspiracy I can't imagine how you got to be this stupid.

>>509019893
The immigrants want a better life for them and their kids. Blue states benefit with a stronger economy, the rest of the country pays less for goods.
A labor force boosts economic growth.

>>509019979
>I do notice how the economies in blue states are the ones that donate the most to the government
Weird. I notice how the top 15 highest taxed states in the country are all blue states.

>>509020091

>>509017091 (OP)
And now they can pay it in their own country.

>>509020091
Great. Have them come the legal way then.
Meanwhile Americans want a better life for Americans. Democrats obviously don't.

>>509020175
You mean legal pathways like what biden did? Trump didnt like it and reversed it and now they are *illegals* because orange man said so. The country legal pathways are shit because congress cant get anything done.

>>509020267
Biden never wanted legal pathway.
Biden let in the most illegal aliens in the history of America, over 15 million. He deserves to be in prison for treason.

>>509019184
Them Mexicans and Hispanic Americans ans Spaniards, my Catholic Brothers in arms, are conquering you in the most peaceful and noble manner: outbreeding you, you kissless, sexless, heretic, jew-enabling angloniggers INCELS.

The Catholic reconquista is made by the flesh-sword, not by the steel-sword. And by the look of most of you anglokikes, you don't use neither of them.

>>509019222
This is the actual truth. I would add that leftists eventually started seeing as a means to gaining power and creating a socialist state.

>>509020339
Asylium seeking is a legal pathway.

>>509017091 (OP)
Why don't we just give them the weapons and training they need so they go back to overthrow their despots and violent gangs?

>>509017091 (OP)
Hate does not enter into it. If your house had rat infestation, nobody would call you a rat hater for wanting to get rid of them.

>>509017091 (OP)
It's your personal responsibility then to see they have a better life.

>>509020091
The UK immigrant-loving party just had to admit that there has NOT been any mythical growth despite the millions pouring in

And even besides that not all of us worship lines going up at the cost of everything else

>>509020394
Asylum dies y mean America. It means the first country they get to. So your asylum bullshit means every central American should have stopped in Mexico.

You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>509020445
I'd say, paying you in kind.
It is not funny when they force you to speak a foreign language, right?

But you bongs are cowards, you wont even dare to NOT pay the BBC TVLoicense. You Lack the balls.

>goyim don't you know that undocumented BENEFIT America?!
>Do they benefit you? Well no but think of the taxes!

>>509019842
>jobs nobody wants to do.
like fast food? like custodial? sewer/septic?
there are very few jobs people want to do but people do them anyway, that means nothing
and i never said anything about wages you idiot

>>509020542
Lets use real facts. There is a man that seeked aslyium in US, not mexican. All of mexico to south america is anti gay. Why would he not skip over every country he would be endangered in? Mexico isnt exactly the safest with their daily caetel violence.

>>509017091 (OP)
They soak up 450 billion in social services, so I’m not sure what you hoped to prove with that image. As for your thread, no one said you have to hate them. But we don’t need to let them in either.

>>509020793
You're bypassing laws now.
Thanks for admitting it was never about laws and more about your feels.

You lost.

this thread demonstrates why democrats have lost the working class vote
they've become republicans that hate straight white people

>>509020718
Are any of those seasonal? So you only work for a little bit each year then get laid off, in the hot sun picking shit and you get paid by the Lbs you pick not by the hour like all those other jobs you listed?

I thought automation was coming to delete all these fruit-picking jobs anyway

>>509020881
Bypassing what? You think the US wont accept people from any country if there isnt an exception? Then why were white africanos let in here with open arms and res carpet into the US you dumb fuck?

>>509020974
There's no reason to invest in automation when there's infinite illegal labour you can pennies instead

>>509020899
No trump promised to make groceries cheaper, end wars, not cut benefits, and deport the criminals, killers and rapists.

All things he failed or lied. Even that last one. He is putting detectives on regular duty in farms instead of searching illegal aliens that would be trafficing drugs, are felons and known killers. Good use of priorities.

>>509021117
If/when circumstances change and you suddenly find the illegal workforce deleted, do you want to be a farmer who relied on them or one whose farm is already automated?

>>509020881
And still, the orange retard has deported way, way less immigrants than Biden or Obama in similar time lenghts.
He is just waving his hands in front of you like a retard and delivers nothing and you applaud, lmao.

Start learning Spanish, at least you don't speak German. :3

>>509017828
Accurate. Mass low-skilled immigration will always favor the wealthy.

>>509017620
>>509018174
Most likely illegal immigration is a large net tax burden. The top 1% of earners pay half of federal income tax, roughly. It’s very top loaded. So people who typically don’t even speak English and work low skilled jobs are almost certainly a net negative for revenue.

I remember Occupy Wall Street saying you can’t privatize the profits and socialize the losses from shitty mortgages, which seemed fundamentally correct. But now when some company brings in 1000 workers that are massive net negative to taxpayers just so they can pay 3$ an hour less somehow the left is supportive. But it’s the same thing, socialize the costs and privatize the benefits.

>>509018174
>but may yield
>but may
>maybe
>maybe the illiterate retarded hooligans our public schools churn out will be an economic benefit in the long term
fuck off

>>509020974
it would in true capitalism where slave labor and government handouts wouldnt be a thing.
also i think china is already doing that.

>>509021640
There is nothing you can do, Hispanics and Catholics on in the end. You Anglonigger degenerated heretic get what you deserve: extension

Be thankful it is a peaceful, non-violent one.

>>509022005
>extension
extension of my car warranty?

>>509017091 (OP)
>Why should I hate "illegal" immigrants for risking their lives to seek a better life through hard work
Their better life always comes at your expense. All the vetting and expenses that a legal immigrant pays is to reduce the likelihood of them becoming a burden on the taxpayer compensate for the loss of job opportunity. The illegal skirts around all that, commits fraud and theft to gain fake work credentials or conspires with a dishonest employer to avoid taxes and minimum wage laws. This arrangement also damages economic growth in the long term by increasing the gap between wages and cost of living through the existence of an actual wage slave class whose living standards are essentially 3rd world due to the threat of deportation.

>>509021600
Dem slanted "logic" also hides soft costs like Emergency room care. I challenge you to go into any ER in the southwest on friday and saturday night and check out the illegal to legal ratio. You can't pay for health care with illegals overloading that system too, it's not just employment and wages here, it's every social service they want reform on.
Furthermore the common leftoid lie that blue states subsidize red is invalidated by SALT deductions, where the blue state literally refuses to pay the Feds the same amount it taxes its citizens itself. We wouldn't even have a cap on this bullshit if not for Trump and Dems want it removed so Red states that don't tax their citizens as much or at all can carry more of the Fed burden like they have been.


>The State and Local Tax (SALT) deduction currently allows taxpayers who itemize deductions to reduce their federally taxable income by the amount of state and local taxes they paid, up to a cap of $10,000 for most filers ($5,000 for married individuals filing separately).
This cap was established under the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017 and is set to expire at the end of 2025.

>However, some states have implemented workarounds to help certain taxpayers, particularly owners of pass-through entities (such as S corporations, partnerships, and some LLCs), bypass the $10,000 federal cap. These workarounds generally allow the entity to pay state income taxes at the business level, which can then be deducted on the federal return, effectively allowing the individual taxpayer to receive a larger deduction than the $10,000 limit would otherwise permit. As of now, more than 30 states have authorized such SALT cap workarounds for some pass-through entities.

>>509020365
Cheap labor and cheap votes

>>509022005
>There is nothing you can do

>>509017091 (OP)
How can they be undocumented but paying tax?

>>509021453
Start learning Arabic, smug for no reason shit gazer.

>>509017091 (OP)
You shouldn’t hate them , they are lured here by greedy Jews to work as slave labor.

>>509020396
because then you'd end up with overthrown despots and gangs as the migrants.
no change whatsoever

>>509022741
Fake social security numbers. The government of course knows since they’re getting multiple payments on a single SSN.

>>509017091 (OP)
You should hate all immigrants. They are used as a tool to control wage costs.
The largest cost any business has is wages. The history of social change and reform over the last 120 years is one of WAGE COST CONTROL.

Feminism: WAGE CONTROL
The main purpose of the backers of the feminist movement was to get women into employment. i.e. more workers.

Offshoring: WAGE CONTROL
When they eventually got all the women into employment, the next step to drop wage costs was to exploit cheaper markets. i.e. China, Mexico.

Mass immigration and DEI: WAGE CONTROL
You can only export so many jobs, the service economy is not conducive to offshoring, so they began importing MILLIONS of immigrants as cheap labour.

ALL driven by the single largest cost to business. Your labour. The simple goal is to increase profit and decrease cost. It worked too. The pic is related. US labour costs stopped increasing with productivity the moment that the US was able to import massive piles of shit from China and Mexico.
- The Immigration act of 1965 allowed any third world piece of shit into the country.
- The gold standard was ended in 1971 to allow unlimited imports.

The Boomer generation are a group of fucking retards who have been asleep at the wheel. They sold the country to the bankers for cheap Chinese t-shirts like the ignorant savages who sold the land they held for trinkets.

>>509017091 (OP)
You absolute braindead retard

>>509017091 (OP)
>>509017401
>>509017828
Why are you not thinking?
I want to stop immigration. Doesn't mean I hate immigrants. I hate the elites pushing this. I am apathetic to most immigrants. If we turn them back then the amount risking their lives will drop to almost 0.

>>509018165
Its a lot more actually. Americans should be celebrating the medicaid cuts. Your local health department will have no choice but to cut off the illegals.

>>509022654
Be my guest.... when are you going to go sgmhooting another El Paso Walmart like the original Chud in Dark Souls 3? When? :3

We are waiting. Grab those guns of yours and be a Gaymer. :3

>>509022253
Yes! You have an offer of 35% off today! :3

:uwu:

>>509017091 (OP)
I don’t owe a foreigner anything. I don’t owe them a better life. They can fuck off and so can you, you subhuman leftist rat.

>>509019205
oh no, not hospitals. how will we offer free healthcare to illegal aliens now?!

>>509017091 (OP)
You don't have to hate them. I don't hate them at all. However, that doesn't mean they should be able to break the law. I don't care about or shop at Walmart, but that doesn't mean I think nogs should be able to shoplift there scot-free.

They just have to go back. Hopefully, Trump deports as many of them as possible.

You honestly shouldn't. You should hate the kike business owners who hire them.