Life is hard as a communist who doesn't believe in transgenderism. Does this happen in your ideology?

>>509034599 (OP)
No, my ideology is not infested with the mentally ill
I suggest you consider why yours is

>>509034599 (OP)
I used to be like you, OP. Then I learned that communism is as jewish as transgenderism.

>communist
Commies are extremely anti-faggot, it is practically right-wing socially. You neo-liberal retards just think
>communism = opposing the West = therefore good and heckin me!
You are all so piss ignorant, that you assume anything opposed to conservative Western values automatically agrees with everything you believe in, like gays for Palestine lmao.

>>509035163
In far-left politics only one type of pseudoscience is common (gender ideology), while far-right politics tends to be a hotbed for many forms of pseudoscience (flat earth, racial pseudoscience, young earth, evolution denial, anti-vax, denial of anthropogenic global warming, etc.) along with a general ideological opposition to science.

I'm not trying to appeal to the far-right here or gain any approval points from fascists, but there is a general need to reclaim Marxism from postmodernists who view reality as subjective. The Marxist philosophy of dialectical-materialism regards reality as completely objective and material, and is incompatible with any view that attempts to portray reality as subjective. Any self-referential or circular definitions of sex or gender are useless from a Marxist point of view. It's obvious that any definition of gender cannot be made without being based in biological sex, and that the categories of "men" and "women" are intrinsically linked to "male" and "female".

There are many communists who don't believe in gender ideology but they're typically either old or from non-Western countries.

>>509034599 (OP)
>Life is hard as a communist
Life is hard as a retard
FTFY

>>509034599 (OP)
>Life is hard as a communist who doesn't believe in transgenderism

Given that doesn't exist yeah I guess it must be hard
Every single commie is a troon or troon sympathizer

>>509035279
You didn't learn much then did you? Have you ever read Karl Marx - On the Jewish Question? No you haven't. Karl Marx stated that once you remove the pre-conditions for Huckstering to exist(Capitalism) you make the existence of the Jew impossible. Marx argued that the modern commercialised world is the triumph of Judaism, a pseudo-religion whose god is money.

>>509036348
I feel like it was well poisoning to rob effective financial reforms from the playbook of the Left by putting gender ideology and the associated issues front and center.

>>509034599 (OP)
No I am all alone like a real man, something prissy politics boys wouldn't know shit about.

>>509036348
>In far-left politics only one type of pseudoscience is common (gender ideology), while far-right politics tends to be a hotbed for many forms of pseudoscience (flat earth, racial pseudoscience, young earth, evolution denial, anti-vax, denial of anthropogenic global warming, etc.) along with a general ideological opposition to science.
I'll give you an effortpost: This is partially true. The reason becomes clearer with the knowledge of IQ and academia. The left has conquered academia, at the same time as FAR greater access to university (more like 40% of the population than 5%) has lowered the IQs involved. The right's resistance to "science" is born out of (1) the low IQ right, which intuitively rejects the academics, but cannot explain why, and (2) the high IQ right, which rejects scientISM, aka the modern cathedral of midwits. The midwit is intelligent, but only moderately, and academia is built for his dogma. These people work hard at school but do not possess the ability to break from ideology, hence as they have come (by numbers) to dominate the high IQ academics, they force their lot with the low IQ. I have very, very good basis for believing some of what you listed (racial pseudoscience, denial of anthropogenic global warming, to some extent anti-vaccination) yet modern academia does not permit these arguments the light of day, and conflates them with the genuinely retarded ideas (flat earth and evolution denial). Flat earth particularly is played up because it looks so damn retarded.
Marxism (particularly cultural marxism, the identity-based variant rather than class-based) was very much in vogue with academics as this happened, and has ingrained its tenets in academia. Older academics hired without regard for politics, but decades of ideologically motivated hiring/approval has filtered out the high IQ right. (And I know many in it, commonly their stories involve breaking from leftist academic dogma, sometimes for major reasons
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>>509034599 (OP)
>>509034599 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterile_insect_technique

>>509036842
>troon parades in Warsaw pact : 0
>troon parades in jewish west : 6,000,000
projecting for pride month arent we?

>>509037191
sometimes for minor. Either way, at the point they become outcasts they question ideology entirely, even if they broadly accepted it before.
You are at a similar point; the progressive craziness of gender is too overt and ostracises you from those foolish or naive enough to go aloing. Some right wing ideas, as before, are genuinely retarded, as I will deny not that there are many stupid rightists, yet many of the ideas tarred with the same brush stand under heavy scrutiny, and if you break the ideological cathedral's step, you may find yourself looking seriously at more and more of them. (Many are born of the idea of "tabula rasa" (Latin: blank slate) that proposes men are basically equal, and differences stem from culture/raising/etc, and therefore that large group differences are not the result of groups being different, but rather some kind of systematic inequality)
Most of these ideas are not even inherently right wing: anti-vaccination was a left-wing position until some years ago, for example; the majority only align with the right because the right has academically become the haven for dissidents due to itself being ostracised.
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>>509035279
I'm not an anti-semite so it doesn't really bother me that Marx was ethnically Jewish or that some of the Bolsheviks were Jews. I won't deny that for historical reasons Jews in the West are overrepresented in positions of wealth, power, in cultural institutions, education, etc. compared to their population but this statistical anomaly is more reflective of their historical function in feudalism in financial roles and as merchants and the transition from feudalism to capitalism rather than a coordinated centuries-long conspiracy by Jews to subvert the "goyim" or whatever.
Anti-Semitism lacks sufficient explanatory power. If all Jews were to magically pop out of existence overnight, there'd still be the profit motive and the market economy. The logic of capitalist production and its laws would still exist, and the vast majority of the bourgeoisie would still exist.
Anti-Semitism tries to pin all the problems with capitalism on Jews in particular.

>>509035284
>Commies are extremely anti-faggot
I'm ok with homosexuals, their brains are just wired different to make them attracted to the same sex. The LGB part doesn't require you to change your understanding of reality and swap it out for some subjectivist nonsense.
>communism = opposing the West
The "enemy of my enemy" approach is common with many Marxist-Leninists in this regard, but a lot of it is just mindless support for anyone who's anti-West. There are some communists who rightfully criticize reactionary regimes that happen to be not aligned with the West, and merely maintain that while said regimes are reactionary it doesn't mean that Western imperialism would replace it with anything better on the one hand; which is true, many reactionary anti-Western regimes have been overthrown by Western imperialism and replaced with something even worse (Syria, Lybia, etc.) But on the other hand some self-proclaimed communists uncritically champion any government that isn't aligned with the West as progressive bastions of socialism and anti-imperialism. Which is nonsensical.
Obviously the Russian Federation, for example, should be criticized by communists but there are many Marxist-Leninists who seemingly don't realize that the Russian Federation is not the USSR and it's a reactionary national-capitalist regime with its own imperialist ambitions.
>you assume anything opposed to conservative Western values automatically agrees with everything you believe in, like gays for Palestine lmao.
Independent bourgeois states are better than puppet regimes from a Marxist point of view, which is why Marxists tend to be in favor of national liberation struggles even if they are not communist. I'd rather third world countries be ruled by a national bourgeoisie rather than puppet regime compradors who sell out their nation to be exploited by the West.
The defeat of the zionist occupation government and the liberation of Palestine would destabilize imperialism greatly and

There is a great secret the people pushing communism in the West desperately try to hide.
Namely what a labor bureaucracy and labor aristocracy is.
People calling themselves Marxists and communists the world over,
have been running the labor movements on behalf of capitalists,
for over a century now.
This was first theoretically understood and articulated by an "American" socialist named Daniel DeLeon,
and the Germans and Russians had to figure out what was wrong with their labor movements,
by reading him.
See his excellent work "Two Pages From Roman History."
The capitalists had already discovered how to control the labor movements,
decades before any of the socialists of Europe could figure out what was happening to them.
They simply buy off the labor leaders.
99% of communist/socialist/Marxist organizations,
are simply trying to fight for those labor bureaucracy jobs.
Which literally pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year,
to act as the political police of the capitalists inside the trade unions.
White workers actually understand this better than Leftoids do,
which is why the white working class wants nothing to do with the unions, Marxists and communists.
The Great Replacement idea is 'Marxism' for the white working class.
Even Marx and Engels agreed,
see picrel.

>>509034599 (OP)
Picrel was the last real communist in Sweden.

>>509039944
(cont.) would make it easier for other nations to follow suit. Of course independent capitalist nation-states isn't the end goal and can't exist because the exploiter-exploited relation exists between countries as well so even if imperialism were destabilized it would still exist it would just strengthen non-Western imperialism. Even so, inter-imperialist conflict and multipolarity has the potential to revitalize the global communist movement since it has been pretty much dead since the fall of the USSR and the defeat of the Maoist faction in the Cultural Revolution.

>>509034599 (OP)
Communism is politicized transgenderism. If you want to be a commie - you should cut your dick off, it's a mandatory part.
>>509035284
lol, lmao even
Commies love to talk shit and lie into your face, that's for sure. Communism is literally built on homosexuality and transgenderizm.

>>509040452
Yes, because real proletarians keeps their anal cavities well lubed and empty at all times for comrad commisar's circumcised dick.

>>509034599 (OP)
Philosophy is just splitting hairs. I just want the other side dead.

>>509036348
Those many forms of pseudoscience are either Christian retards (in the case of young earth) or shills in the case of flat earth/fake nukes. It’s like Alex Jones, who will sprinkle in a little truth with a bunch of retardation. The effect is that normies will hear us discuss right wing issues, but then think back to the dale gribble types they heard it from first, eventually discounting it all as schizo shit. Aside from christards and a handful of earnest schizos, most of that isn’t organic

>>509040522
Communism is "literally built" on dialectical materialism and the idea that the working class should control the government and economy.
Neither transgenderism nor homosexuality are foundational to communism and are scarcely mentioned at all in Marxist texts.

better question is why did trannies flock to communism? do they believe they would have been allowed to live in lenins time?

>>509040860
That person is a liberal faggot
using a Russia as a meme flag.
The USSR used to lock up faggots
in mental institutions.
And the gooks treated them
like the criminals they are,
prosecuting them for decades
under the 'hooliganism law.'
I'll tell you another secret.
Communism is always nationalism.
The ZOG's mis-education system sort of tries to tell you the truth about it,
when they say words like "Totalitarian" and "collectivism."
What they actually mean is nationalism.
Communist groups only ever come into power where the nationalists are on board with the communists.
Or rather, where the communists are just overtly nationalists to begin with.
Everywhere else communist parties are just chasing labor bureaucracy jobs inside the trade unions.
Mao was an alternate member of the KMT central committee.
Sun Yatsen was explicitly pro-Soviet.
And the average Han today is just a belligerently nationalist gook.
The ZOG has known this about communist governments since at least 1949, if not sooner.
See picrel, which is from the Secretary of State in private.
This is actually why the "Right" wing of forced integration with niggers was so anti-communist.
They're not anti-communist.
They're anti-nationalist,
and just hope they can keep fooling the white working class forever.

>>509040654
I don't want the other side dead. To me, executions and death camps are a waste of time and resources. I know not all communists agree and historically communism has been quite repressive of class enemies but that's just my thoughts on the matter.
I don't renounce violence in general though, Marxism isn't a pacifist ideology. Revolution is still required to overthrow capitalism. Anyone who says communism can be established through participation in formal capitalist "democracy" hasn't read Marx.

>>509040522
On the contrary, the current transgender craze is something that has only ever occurred in the capitalist world. It is a kind of social degeneracy that is unique to capitalism. Puberty blockers, hormones, endless cosmetic surgeries, all of these things generate money for the pharma-medical industry. It is the owning class that peddles transgender propaganda because they are the ones who profit from it. They are the ones who own stocks in pharmaceutical giants and medical companies and they are the ones who stand to benefit from turning people into life long medical patients/surgery addicts.

The fact this is that Marxism, the ideological foundation of communism, is fundamentally incompatible with gender ideology. Marxism is a materialist ideology after all (dialectical materialism), whereas nothing could be more philosophically idealistic than claiming that man is a woman if he believes he's a woman. This is the kind of pseudo-intellectual nonsense that would sit much better with the kind of "people" who think that economic value is subjective and scoff at the fact that it's objectively rooted in material reality (human labour).

So basically, what I'm saying here is, you are ideologically transgender. And you should probably consider killing yourself.

>>509036348
>The Marxist philosophy of dialectical-materialism regards reality as completely objective and material, and is incompatible with any view that attempts to portray reality as subjective.
Anon, the dialectical-materalism of Marxism led you to the point where your own ideology is infested with reality denying retards. You could see it from the beginning with Marx's inability to rectify the fatalistic tendencies of his historiography. He also contorted evidence to fit his desired conclusions many times. Particularly with his discussion of primitive communism. Marxism itself is inherently pseudoscientific so it is perfectly logical your ideology would be hijacked by faggots who can deny reality with the same copout Marx did with his arguments of human agency. Communism is simultaneously inevitable but also requires humans to create it. The internal contradictions of Marxism you don't see are what created the mess you're in. If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use is the rule?

>>509041042
The alliance between communism and nationalism is usually a temporary, uneasy alliance in the face of a common enemy. It's a strategic united front between the proletariat/peasantry and the national bourgeoisie to unite against imperialist occupation. Communism is an internationalist philosophy that is often forced to adopt nationalism and isolationism out of necessity due to hostility from capitalist countries.

>>509040860
Nope. You just undereducated and dumb. Absolutely every original communistic 'revolutionary' had been a faggot. No exclusions. Many of them were in denial, but each single one knew the taste of a dick. And all that bullshit in capital is just a usual communistic 'speaking teeth out' bullshit. It has no other intention than to make you lose your time reading it.

>>509034599 (OP)
it really just writes itself anyway

>>509041495
Marxism has always dealt with purging itself of self-proclaimed Marxists who corrupt the ideology. Clarifying what is and isn't real Marxism and keeping out revisionists who smuggle in bourgeois thinking is essential.
Marx and Engels were seen as the ideological fringe for a long time compared to Eugen Duhring. Vladimir Lenin's ideology wasn't popular at all in the second international compared to Kautsky and Bernstein's revisionist perversions of Marxism.
The same is true today. Many self-proclaimed Marxists are useless liberals who believe in a watered-down defanged mockery of Marxism which isn't a threat to capitalism at all. Post-modernism has no place in Marxism and yet it has hijacked Marxism in the West.

>>509041467
>that has only ever occurred in the capitalist world
It's a result of letting soviet jews into Europe and US in 1991. It took them quite some time, but they still did their best using soviet KGB oil money and lobbying.
Now, the original softening in public discourse towards faggots in the West in 60-70-80 was a defensive measure against spreading of communism. A huge part of commie bullshit relies on the 'double fork technique',in case of faggots its means commies were both promoting faggotry and deny faggots of being recognized as humans. So when the collective West said that faggots are now normal part of society it was a huge smack into soviet face.

Refreshingly based thread, kill intersectionalists, behead intersectionalists

>>509041570
>The alliance between communism and nationalism is usually a temporary
You need to read less history
about European communist parties that failed
and read more about commies
that actually either succeeded
or at least got to the point of armed struggle.
Because this statement is absolutely false.
Vietnamese = belligerent nationalist gooks
Chinese = belligerent nationalist gooks
Koreans = belligerent nationalist gooks
FARC: openly adopted Bolivarian nationalist claims.
Shining Path: Blatantly based in Quechua nationalism.
Yugoslavia: Blatantly Serbian nationalist State, didn't care when other nations seceded, only the Serbian-speaking pseudo-nations separating caused violence.
Albanians: Blatant nationalism again.
Greek civil war: blatant Greek nationalism again.
Whenever this pattern breaks,
you just get faggot groups
fighting for labor bureaucracy jobs.
Like the countless groups in India,
Euro-communists,
all the "American" parties,
etc, etc.
which all are just extensions of the ruling liberal order.
That's why white workers hate anything calling itself communist,
and always will.
Communism is a dead ideology,
the future is going to be
belligerently nationalist workers' movements,
of the NSDAP/Juche variety.

>>509034599 (OP)
What are your communist beliefs?

>>509041998
Yeah, we know, every proto-christian sect do exactly this. You're on /pol/, bro, we know things. Whats those minor details are for?

If anyone's interested in opposition to gender ideology from a left-wing perspective, this article is what convinced me when I first read it:
https://archive.is/9vaRd

>>509042261
Guillotine for phds with a masturbation habit

Trillions on taxes so they can wank

>>509042124
You're an incoherent retard and none of your braindead ramblings in this thread have even come close to making any sort of sense.

>>509042166
>That's why white workers hate anything calling itself communist,
No, ALL the workers all over the world hate anything calling itself communist. Because communism is a religion of social parasites that justifies their parasitism.

>>509042417
You are Ir*sh.

>>509042417
ANd BTW, in USSR transgender surgeries were paid by the state.

>>509042124
>The communists made Kike Hollywood be nice to gay
What next,
Karl Marx made the capitalists
of the 18th century
flood "America" with hordes and hordes of niggers?
Kill yourself,
nigger-loving faggot Kike.

>>509036348
> flat earth
nearly non-existent in our circles
> racial pseudoscience
Not pseudo by any means, but yes, this one is widespread
> young earth
nearly non-existent in our circles
> evolution denial
nearly non-existent in our circles
> anti-vax
Funny for you to talk about this just as new evidence is coming out that the covid vax literally makes women 30% less likely to conceive
> denial of anthropogenic global warming
Because it's so insane to suggest that warming that happened a million times before in our history couldn't possibly be mostly natural this time

>>509040651
You would know.

>>509042497
>ima faggot
Don't care what you think,
nigger-loving faggot Kike.
The Turner Diaries are coming,
and screaming "Communism!"
won't save you this time.

>>509034599 (OP)
>Does this happen in your ideology?
No.
Why don't you leave it behind, and actually join a winning team?

>>509037599
> Nigga never heard of the East-West Marxism split in the 1930s

>>509035163
First post best post

>>509041998
>the point
>your head
"Real Marxism" is whoever controls the narrative. Not some set of "scientific" principals created out of thin air based on a shoddy historiographic hybrid of whig and determinism. The fact you have to have purges to begin with is telling that there is little to no scientific basis in Marx's writings. Rather, it is a pseudo-religious cult for material "progress." That being said, the purges failed to properly root out the distasteful bits you don't like. After decades of waiting, writing and theorizing they are now in charge. The orthodox marxists were left out in the cold because the predictions and human agency which would facilitate same failed in the 20th century and you seemingly acknowledge those failures. Those failures are how the faggots took power in your movement again in the west. Post-modernism is the ideological offspring of Marxism and has now taken its rightful place as the guiding philosophy of your movement in the West because of the movement's own failures. So, I will ask my question again. If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use is the rule?

>>509036348
As a fascist chud, I am sympathetic to the marxist material view of history and think it's generally correct. However...
"race" is not a pseudoscience. If you believe in evolution and materialism, how can you believe all human groups have the same average intelligence or potential? Humans outside of sub-saharan africa have had completely different material and evolutionary pressures for well over 10,000 years and you think the influence stopped at the brain? It obviously didn't and we can multiple forms of evidence demonstrating that.

>>509043164
That's the main problem with marxists, their materialism is always been thrown out of the window when it becomes inconvenient. The reason gender ideology is able to "infiltrate" marxism is exactly because they are stubborn about admitting that men and women are different, and from there you get the groundwork for all the gender bullshit. Marxists are allergic to essentialisms, which is contradictory because materialism is an essentialism in itself.

>>509042613
>flood "America" with hordes and hordes of niggers
Check the richest slave traders' last names.
>>509042740
Never cared enough to dig in topic, but taking into account that your south is mostly inhabited by frenches sucking dicks of rich kikes, it probably was.

>>509042261
I'm undecided. There are three ideological trends in Marxism-Leninism which I'm gravitating towards.
1) Modern Marxism-Leninism
Basically the kind you see in Cuba, Vietnam, and China. They tend to believe that markets will persist to some extent under socialism and will have to be gradually phased out as production develops rather than abolished overnight. They also believe that after the overthrow of capitalism, that the primary focus should be on developing the means of production in order to gradually facilitate the transition from a market economy to a planned economy and that relations of production become secondary. They'll also claim that historical socialism tried to go too far too fast and switched to a fully-planned economy before they actually had the proper infrastructure and technology for it and suffered as a result.
2) Traditional Marxism-Leninism
Alternatively referred to as "Hoxhaists" since they take the same position Enver Hoxha had. They consider both present-day Marxism-Leninism and Maoism to both be revisionist, and uphold the USSR under Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin.
3) Marxism-Leninism-Maoism
Often abbreviated to "Maoism". They believe that present-day Marxism-Leninism is revisionist and consider Hoxhaism to be dogmatic. They believe Mao Zedong contributed enough to the advancement of Marxism to constitute a new stage in its development. They place more of an emphasis on the role of the masses in communism and will maintain that unless an active struggle is made against ideological revisionism in the party and society as a whole, then the party will gradually be taken over by revisionists and that capitalist restoration will inevitably result. While they believed the U.S.S.R. was socialist, they will typically say that the capitalist-roader faction took over after Stalin's death and then turned it into a "social-imperialist" power and that Stalin put too much emphasis on external threats rather than internal threats.

>>509043497
>Marxism-Leninism
You understand why they added 'Leninism' to it, don't you?
>Marxism-Leninism-Maoism
Never existed. Are you just trolling fat?

The problems with communism boil down to Marx.
Marx's value lies in his analysis of economic tendencies and his deconstructions of power structures. He spoke truth in diagnosing many of the problems with capitalism.
But he was an utter failure when it came to prescribing a solution. Recognizing a problem isn't the same as knowing how to solve it. And meanwhile, while the parts that Marx got right resonated with people, the unfortunate part is that they accepted his solutions in a wholesale manner as well, as though there was a science behind them when the truth is that there's actually none to be found.

>>509038865
> If all Jews were to magically pop out of existence overnight, there'd still be the profit motive and the market economy
Hatred towards Europeans would stop. MSM propaganda would stop.. Diversity quotas would collapse. Ethnic arguments for the protection of Europeans would be normalized.

>>509034599 (OP)
It's possible because transgenderism is identity politics and has nothing to do with class. It's well-poisoning

>>509034599 (OP)
Did nobody realize that the Communist Manifesto was just social engineering to accrue power and influence?
It just describes how to break a society, and come out on top. It's not even about anything relevant. Every reforming power and populist rise follows the same pattern.
It's not even an ideology technically, it's just a movement or shifting of pieces to one's own advantage.
It's why I fucking hate commies. The reason nobody knows what it is ideologically is because it isn't an ideology. It's an anti-ideology.

>>509043497
but you accept the basic premise of Marxist-Leninism, that a small elite, the so-called "vanguard of the proletariat", should seize all power in the state, in the name of the people, with the idea that at some unspecified point in time in the future, they will return the power to the people?

>>509043901
>Hatred towards Europeans would stop.
Non-whites will still hate us, especially Brits. Jeets are going to hate until the end of time because we taught them how to eat with knives and forks, taught them to not shit in the street (though they're struggling with adhering to this one), etc.

>>509036348
The most based post I've read all day: a person that understands materialism

In short, all the proto-christian religions, including communism, just a form of justification for social degradation into a state of primitive small group. It's nothing unusual, it's happens quite often historically, each time when people becomes rich enough to feed a significant amount of 'suffering poors', i.e. social parasites. Because free shit is the only musthave for appearance of primitive small group.
The only difference is that this time the jews who wanted to make some gesheft on sawing belongings of infected communities got so butthurted christianity fully lost the 'christ' part that they excluded divine part completely and replaced it with animism.

>>509034599 (OP)
pic related sums up this entire thread, and every pointless debate with a communist, next.

>>509034599 (OP)
>Life is hard as a communist
yeah it must be hard being a fucking retard

>>509043901
>magically
See yet what those commies always do?

>>509044054
>Non-whites will still hate us, especially Brits
But they wouldn't be weaponized and supported the same way they are now.

>>509044048
Every human society is ruled by a small elite, the difference is whether power is clearly visible or not. In democracy, we pretend power is in the hands of the people, who voooote, but it's actually mostly in the hands of unelected bureaucrats, legal professionals, lobbyists, and other state or supra-state bodies, aka we live in a managerial state model. Elected officials have comparatively little control and that's why you almost never get what you voted for and have near 0 input on policy.

>>509044327
>In democracy
Retard, ples. We have no democracies since the early 20th century. Not a single one.

it's fine for communist
because today's feminism and other things are trying to destroy patriarchy
but it's impossible because it is just a superstracture of base

>>509044437
We have democracies, you just don't understand what a democracy is.

>>509043496
>ima faggot
The Founding Nigger Fuckers of "America"
weren't Kikes.
But they were nigger-lovers and slavers,
who fathered mongrel bastard children with niggers.
And dared to call it "freedom."
Blaming the entire slave trade on Kikes,
isn't going to save "America."
It isn't Kikes and communists
importing in millions of spicks
to work in the fields
that the nigger-cattle used to work in.
Nigger-loving faggot Kike.

>>509042261
>>509043497
I'm gravitating the most toward Maoism at the moment since from what I've seen Maoists are usually the only ones willing to criticize historical socialism without using the tired old "it's not real communism!" line from which no lessons can be drawn.
For example, they'll criticize Joseph Stalin pretty much saw capitalist restoration as something which could only happen externally, either through the old bourgeoisie taking back power or through being defeated by foreign powers. He was also concerned about traitors and foreign spies but he did not think that the basis for revisionism and capitalist restoration existed within the party itself. He was completely unprepared for it. They will also criticize the U.S.S.R. under Stalin for being too "top-heavy" and not relying on the masses and their participation enough. They are critical of Stalin and the U.S.S.R. yet they still consider the Soviet Union as having been socialist.
Whereas many Marxists today will either fully uncritically support every self-proclaimed Marxist government and claim that they're perfect and will reject anything negative about these countries as being "bourgeois propaganda", or they'll claim that socialism has never been tried and that all the Marxist states of the past were fake. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Maoism is the only Marxist ideology which I've seen actually try to resolve the contradiction between the party and the masses and make socialism truly democratic, but I'm not sure how I feel about the notion that relations of production remain primary under socialism. The only thing preventing me from calling myself a Maoist right now is that I don't view it as practical to just abolish the market economy in an instant and replace it with a fully-planned economy. Even now I don't think we're advanced enough for full planning and think that the market economy should exist to a limited extent in some areas, although it should be subordinated to

>>509044327
not that I disagree, but why would you want even less power to the people?

>>509036872
I read The Communist Manifesto and then I put it where it belongs, in the trash. That was enough Marx for me.
>>509038865
>picrel

>>509044585
Why do you quote me when you don't address my point?

>>509038865
t.useful idiot for zionism

>>509044480
It's you who doesn't.
Democracy is ruled by demos. Demos is men who owns land withing the borders of state, has stable income, pay taxes and/or do military service. Women, retards, parasites, aliens and dogs are not allowed to vote under democratic rules.
You living in ochlocracy, which has nothing to do with democracy.

>>509034599 (OP)
I'm a leftist but I don't believe in that autistic bullshit either. If my bro Bill told me he wanted to wear dresses and be called Emily now I'd probably shrug and go along with it to keep him happy because it costs me nothing except awkwardness but I'm not ever going to believe he is a real woman.

>>509044824
Marxism-Leninism clearly states that under true communism there won't be men and women, only workers.
If it's not tranny enough for you then I surrender.

>>509044824
>I'm a leftist
Faggot.

>>509043901
None of this shit would stop. The profit motive would still exist, exploitation would still exist, and so too would mass immigration as a means of flooding the labour force with cheap workers and suppressing wages. You'd still be viewed as the worst kind of racist for opposing this. Globalism would still be the order of the day and they would continue to manufacture propaganda to assist them in their goal of robbing everyone blind and attaining full dystopian neo-feudalism. Blaming the Jews on all of this is a cope. Jews are bad and their behaviour makes capitalism even worse than it would be if they didn't exist, but they are not the core problem.

>>509044666
"Power of the people" is a total feel good emotional LARP. All state decisions are going to be made by a small organised elite, always, that's just how it is. From a technical organisational standpoint, that just makes the most sense. An army of 100 well trained, organised men will always beat an army of 1000 unorganised, leaderless, men. I'd prefer if power was directly visible in our system, rather than obfuscated by emotional feel good narratives like democracy and muh rights. I'm not saying there should be no channels for addressing elite incompetence by the ruled, but democracy clearly does not allow for that anyway. And it isn't fixable. Aristotle already described what happens in democracies thousands of years ago and has not been refuted.

>>509044965
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>>509044585
>I'm gravitating the most toward Maoism
Western "Maoists"
are all liberals
working for the ZOG.
They think niggers and non-whites
are going to rise up and overthrow the "American" government one day.
They are completely deluded,
and openly side against
all real enemies of the ZOG.
They will recruit you into their groups
to push Democratic Party politics
in unions, academia, and NGOs.
You will never be doing violent revolution,
and the moment you even start to suggest such things,
they will use their connections to the State
to repress you,
Zersetzung-style.
Don't say I didn't warn you.
Revolution in "America"
will look like the Turner Diaries.
The 'Maoists' will be on the forefront
of trying to destroy all violent resistance to the ZOG.
Don't say you weren't warned.
Read what happened to MIM.
Read MIM's line
on the labor bureaucracy
and let it dawn on you what happened to them.
Don't say to yourself 10 years from now,
no one warned you what was going to happen to you.

>>509044585
>I'm gravitating the most toward Maoism at the moment
you're fucking GAY

>>509044762
You're just citing a particular version, basically saying "democracy should stop at x, then we throw the ladder up". But the incentive will ALWAYS be there to pull the ladder down and let more people have "democratic rights". Then it just becomes a slippery slope of the ladder being pulled down, bit by bit, generation by generation. Until we are in the mess we are in now.

>>509045122
There are so many points I would like to address about your post, but I will pick just one:
why do you assume that the power structure would be less obscure in a dictatorship?
As a counter-example. Look at Thailand. The official narrative, presented in the media and what the children learn at school, is that the country is ruled by the king. When in reality, a military junta holds the power.

>>509044585
>maoism/trotskism/stalinism
just useless labels of historical cosplayers for today, as for me

>>509044048
The vanguard is just the most ideologically advanced contingent which spearheads the revolution. The brains of the operation. Communists unlike anarchists don't believe that hierarchical organization is inherently exploitative or undemocratic.
While I believe that Communist Parties haven't been democratic enough and there inevitably is to some degree a rift between the party and the masses, much of what we hear about communism is over-exaggerated and false. The Soviet Union had democracy, a flawed one to be sure but the masses had more participation in society than bourgeois propaganda tends to make you believe.
Future Marxist countries should be vigilant to ensure that the party remains by the people, for the people, and of the people. Mao Zedong for instance tried to expand mass participation in society through the mass line, workplace democracy, democracy in schools, etc. But by the time he realized how widespread revisionism was within the party itself it was already too late and the capitalist roader faction was too powerful. Maoists tend to universalize the idea of "cultural revolution" as a means of getting rid of bourgeois and feudal thinking within the ideological superstructure to be replicated in future communist governments.
While the cultural revolution wasn't intended to be violent, and Mao tried to curb and prevent the excesses and wanted it to be more about mass participation and freedom to criticize, due to how powerful the capitalist roaders were it ended up almost becoming a second civil war. Perhaps in the future if implemented earlier after the revolution, anti-revisionism and cultural revolution will be much less violent as it'll be preventative instead of having to deal with the build-up of years of revisionist ideology.

>>509040897
They're far more likely to be anarchists or social-democrats than communists.

>>509045756
What mechanisms would prevent malicious party members for simply keeping all the power to themselves indefinitely, and simply purging all descending voices, buy calling them counter-revolutionary?

>>509043599
Marxism-Leninism-Maoism does exist. They're also the only ones today engaged in revolutionary struggle (Perú, Turkey, India, Philippines)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism–Leninism–Maoism

>>509034599 (OP)
>Life is hard as a communist who doesn't believe in transgenderism.

Why?

>>509045434
I'd say that your question and examples are cherrypicked, but if I am also honest, I don't know anything about Thailand to be able to talk confidently about it. Furthermore, I am not arguing for a dictatorship in the sense of static authoritarian regime and a dictatorship doesn't necessarily follow as the alternative.

>>509045756
The 1911 revolution in China
was sparked by a book
that can only be called
the Chinese Turner Diaries.
It was written by a boy named
Zou Rong.
Sun Yatsen
printed out hundreds of thousands of copies
and passed them out to every gook
who could read it.
I have an English translation of it
if you want.
See picrel
for a slice of it.
It was titled
"The Revolutionary Army."
Without it,
there would have never been
a communist movement in China.

>>509034599 (OP)
You faggots chow down on books written by old bearded white dudes as gospel, then have the audacity to rip on Christians.
Next-generation retardation, right here.

>>509046128
I can't answer this question with 100% confidence yet since I'm still on the fence between a few different Marxist ideologies but in Maoism the answer would be anti-revisionist campaigns, criticism and self-criticism in the party, the mass-line, and cultural revolution. I'm not gonna lie and tell you that all Marxist governments were 100% democratic utopias and that the party always reflected the will of the people. Even if you cut through all the bourgeois lies and propaganda it's still apparent that's not the case. One of the biggest struggles in Marxist history is in preventing a class of elites from forming from within the party bureaucracy that becomes disconnected from the masses and becomes a de-facto "new bourgeoisie".

>>509046128
Separation of powers and elite re-circulation. There's nothing inherently wrong with a small elite holding all the power, that is literally how every human organisation functions, from a business to your discord server. The issue is there being no cost for making bad decisions. In democracy, we believe voting the next party in 5 years later addresses that, but it doesn't, because the majority of power isn't in the hands of the elected officials anyway. And if it was in the hands of elected officials, that would be dangerous inherently, you're now ceding power to people whose incentives are too emotionally appeal to the masses and effectively "loot" the state for their voting base.

>>509046174
>Perú
The Shining Path
was a blatantly Quechua nationalist movement.
The 'Maoists' lie about this,
because "Western" white children
do not understand their own National Question,
much less the National Question
of the spicks in South America.
The other Marxists in Peru
accused the Shining Path
of being on the CIA payroll
for a reason.
The book has been translated into English finally:
"The CIA’s Shining Path: Political Warfare"
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:The_CIA%27s_Shining_Path:_Political_Warfare

>>509046209
Because postmodernist gender ideology is widespread among Western communists, and it's annoying to be one of the few Western communists who don't believe in it especially since a lot of Marxist orgs and internet forums will ban you if you question it. This is why I post on /pol/ even though it's full of conservatives, fascists, and liberatarians.

>>509046210
so what kind of system would you prefer?

>>509046958
Rule by 130+ IQ Anglos in an Anglo-Futurist Utopia crossing the stars.

This is a genuinely interesting thread that I have enjoyed reading so far. Thanks OP.

>>509046958
>>509047040
But in all seriousness, I don't know. I'm just convinced that democracy is done and completely untenable, and will actively destroy us if we continue with it.

>>509046674
Ok, but why should we take the risk of a communist revolution, when a one-party or one-man dictatorship is a very possible outcome? Are the current circumstances really that dire?

>>509046826
There's a split in Maoism (because of course there is) as to whether or not the Shining Path was good or bad. Typically Maoists who maintain they were good say that Gonzalo was just an uncompromising anti-revisionist and that revisionist Marxists and social democrats are just as much enemies of Marxism as fascists so they're not worth being nice to.
Maoists who maintain that they were bad will say that the Shining Path was an ultra-left party that engaged in commandism, adventurism, cult of personality, etc. and did a disservice to Marxism by being hostile to other leftists, and had a tendency of turning non-antagonistic contradictions into antagonistic contradictions; turning away many potential communists and allies and ruining the image of communism and left-wing politics in general in Perú.

>>509044965
>communism
Not one of those either.
Also if its that pozzed then why did you retards go along with it?

>>509045122
An army of 1000 well-trained men can still get BTFO by a bunch of literal autists with a couple of drones though.

>>509034599 (OP)

>>509047683
It wasn't a literal battle example. Simply observation that an organised elite will beat an unorganised mass.

>>509046858
Leftism became a religious cult of equality a long time ago and leftist premises naturally lead to worship of equality as a god.

>>509047357
>Gonzalo
Gonzalo was a white "Peruvian"
who weaponized and un-assimilated population of mongoloids
on the basis of blatant nationalism
against the Peruvian government.
This is a fact
which all "Maoist" discourse hides.
It is just like the "anarchist" group in Oaxaca.
The "anarchism" is just an ideological cover
for Oaxacan nationalism.
Like the Quechua in Peru,
they are hold outs that haven't been assimilated yet
into the Spanish-speaking mestizo horde.
All Spanish-speaking politics
in South America
revolve around this.
Bolivarianism is the (correct) statement
that all the Spanish-speaking mestizos
belong to a --single-- nation.
It had its origins
in the Peruvian leader
Juan Velasco Alvarado
who Gonzalo and the rest of the faggot Leftoids
hated with a passion.
>Maoists who maintain that they were bad
They say these things
because they are viciously opposed
to the idea of armed struggle
right here in "America."
I'm not lying to you
or exaggerating at all
when I am telling you these people are liberals
working for the ZOG.
Do not get involved with them,
if you value your life.
They will destroy you,
and put you on a state Blacklist,
and you will never have any chance of a good life.
Revolutions all have their basis
in nationalism,
which these people are fiercely opposed to.
They will be cheering on the government murder
of dissident white nationalists
when the Turner Diaries come.
The only time they will ever pick up a gun
is when the people are picking it up
against the ZOG,
and they will be shooting at
white nationalist revolutionaries
on behalf of faggots, niggers, and Kikes.
My advice to you,
since you are obviously interested in this crap,
is to read a little MIM.
It might help you
think yourself out of communism.
It is a dead ideology,
and like all dead ideologies,
if you get trapped into it,
you will be controlled by liberals
who think you are stupid
and deserve to suffer for it.
I'm trying to help you.
Read MIM,
read them carefully.

>>509047269
Well it's because I view communism as the only means by which human civilization will continue to exist and advance. The continued existence of capitalism, particularly in its ruthless destruction of the environment and waste of resources poses an existential crisis to human civilization. I've also learned over the years that much of what we're told about communism and what life was like in the USSR, etc. is wrong. Communism is in favor of democracy in both the government and the workplace, but unlike anarchism it's in the form of representative democracy rather than direct democracy and horizontal organization.
So while communism has never been a perfect utopia (nor has it ever claimed to be since Marxism is against utopianism), for most people life is better after the revolution than before the revolution. A lot of accounts you hear about how bad communism was are from class enemies, and since Marxism believes that class enemies should be repressed under socialism and not have political participation of course it's going to seem bad.
But for the average proletarian and peasant communism meant that you were finally able to have electricity, finally able to have clean running water, healthcare, education, better working conditions, fewer working hours, more food (contrary to the meme), more rights, a say in how the workplace is run, and at least a semblance of political democracy (however flawed it may be).
I know it sounds ridiculous since socialism is always portrayed as some Orwellian totalitarian nightmare with everyone starving and being oppressed but the capitalist class has an objective interest in portraying communism as evil so that they can convince the masses that there's no alternative to capitalism.

>>509034599 (OP)
I dunno? I would steal from a trans weirdo just the same. Every man for himself after all
> t. White shoplifter

>>509036872
I bet you get banned by 400lb troon freak mods for mentioning this text on reddit lefty boards

>>509045322
>particular version
Huercion. It's the literal translation of the word demos from greek.
>ALWAYS
Unless your population is not cucked and dug the parasites into a mass grave as it usually had happened in Europe through the last two thousand years.
>Until we are in the mess we are in now.
Nope. Literally few dozens of occasions before 20th century, all within territory of modern Germany.

>>509046174
>Marxism-Leninism-Maoism does exist
In your head. Maoism demands kill Leninists on sight.

>>509035279
You're just a woke-right libtard tranny. israel is your friend.

>>509047552
In short, reversed dynamics during Black Death times. Thanks to shitty roads and lack of actual shoes. Long story.

>>509046858

>>509048458
>But for the average proletarian and peasant communism meant that you were finally able to have electricity, finally able to have clean running water, healthcare, education, better working conditions, fewer working hours, more food (contrary to the meme), more rights, a say in how the workplace is run, and at least a semblance of political democracy (however flawed it may be).
We in the west never had communism, yet we still have healthcare, education, running water and enough food. So I guess I do not see what's the point of risking it all?

>>509048902
You can't fix him with logic. It's like fixing a 300kg fat nigger with stories about cardio. It's an organic brain process in both cases, if he didn't overcome it when he was 15 the on;y way to cure him is a lead pill into the back of his head.

>>509045040
>goys are as just as evil as jews!
No they're not, and people aren't interchangeable.
Jewish policies aren't profit driven, they just fucking hate Europeans

>>509048902
That's because the living standards of the West (the imperialist core) are based on the exploitation of the global south and cannot exist without said exploitation.
I would rather have sustainable development which isn't exploitative or parasitic even if it's not as great rather than development which is for the few at the expense of the many.
Socialist countries are able to develop without extracting surplus value from other nations, while the West and its development exist because of value transfer from the poorest countries to the richest countries. Not only are they able to develop significantly in every aspect without exploiting other countries, but they are able to do so under siege from the imperialist powers: under sanctions, embargos, sabotage, threat of invasion, etc.
The rich are rich because the poor are poor. A small percent of the world population lives in relative comfort and abundance because the rest of the world lives in conditions of extreme poverty and deprivation.
>In capitalist society, spare time is acquired for one class by converting the whole life-time of the masses into labour-time.
It's not worth risking it all to you, but it is worth risking it all for the billions of people who are immiserated and impoverished and oppressed by the capitalist-imperialist system. I am a communist even though I'm a net-beneficiary of the capitalist-imperialist system because I think it'd be better for humanity to have a future on this Earth and continue to grow and prosper, and I believe that development should benefit all of humanity not just a handful of parasites.
There are many people who would trade the entire future of humanity for having a comfortable luxurious life. Hence all the boomers ruining the world because they'll hit the bucket well before the consequences of their actions fuck the rich over too.
Eventually there will be no classes and all of humanity can participate in the shaping of society.

>>509048902
yeah, they gave it you for free, retard, and not to undermine communist movement in the west

>>509048755
That's just not true. Maoism developed from Marxism-Leninism and isn't possible without the contributions of Karl Marx or Vladmir Lenin. Maoists are usually hostile to revisionists (Dengists, Bukharinists, etc.) but not to old-school Marxist-Leninists.

>>509050169
by the way, gradually, you are losing it all now

>>509044758
Nope I'm against Zionism. All communists are.

>>509050089
>That's because the living standards of the West
The degenerates know this.
If you want a Leftoid version of globohomo,
get a copy of Jasbir Puar's Terrorist Assemblages.
All the faggots know this instinctively,
and cling to the liberal ruling order,
so that they can satisfy their disgusting desires.
It's in postmodern academic gibberish,
but it is still readable enough
to understand how degenerates
are all implicitly controlled by capitalists.
The "freedom" of the capitalist
to import hordes and hordes
of non-whites into countries
as cheap labor replacements
is the "freedom" of the degenerate
to seduce children.
The faggot and capitalist
are joined together at the hip.

>>509050089
>Socialist countries are able to develop without extracting surplus value from other nations
Literally how? The only difference between capitalist and socialist countries is that in the latter the means of production are owned by the state (basically, the same elite that controls the government also controls the industry).
That's it. Socialist countries still need to have access to raw materials, and they still need markets to sell their products.
I mean sure, resource rich countries like Venezuela can sustain socialism by selling their resources on the global market, until the oil prices fall and their countries collapse. But if Western Europe or USA were to turn socialist, they would still need to maintain the current world order with a harsh hand, else risking losing their place as the top dogs.

>>509040503
It will also start world war three, and guess who profits? All the big war companies. At least up until the nukes start flying.

You aren't very smart are you?

>>509045155
I don't think communist revolution will be possible in the United States until long after white Americans are proletarianized, which is coming. If communism wins then the U.S. will probably be the last country to have its proletarian revolution. The American bourgeoisie cannot continue to share the spoils of imperialism with the white masses for that much longer, proletarianization is already beginning. That's why Trump wants to bring back the factories and domestic production and deport undocumented immigrants, and why labor rights and such are crumbling.
As of right now however, most Americans have a vested material interest in maintaining the global capitalist-imperialist order so communist revolution is impossible here until then.

>>509050719
World War III is inevitable regardless, communists or not. Might as well take advantage of it and hope it's not the end.

>>509050221
>That's just not true
Yet again, only in your head. Mao demanded every kremlin-related pidor necked high and short. Openly. Personally.

>>509045040
>The profit motive would still exist
Which could be easily regulated.
>exploitation would still exist
This just sounds like cringe third worldism. Define exploitation.
>mass immigration as a means of flooding the labour force with cheap workers and suppressing wages
This would be easier to resist through ethnic self-determinative arguments which would no longer be suppressed by Jews and their reductio ad Hitlerium and Holocaustianity fallacies.
>You'd still be viewed as the worst kind of racist for opposing this.
Racism as it is now portrayed is merely anti-White. That anti-White sentiment would literally cease to even exist if Jews were never involved in Western politics. The whole reason we have no essentialist biological conception of race is directly linked to the Jewish "denazification" attempts after the WWII which were later applied on a continental scale and paved the way for Franz Boasnian anthropology, and later acts passed like Hart-Celler to destroy white birth rates.
>Blaming the Jews on all of this is a cope
They are a substantial part of it, and have been throughout all of history. You are ignorant if you think otherwise.
>but they are not the core problem
No you are right the core problem is clearly Jeff Bezos and free markets that's why Japan's hyper capitalist society has no immigrants whatsoever and their state apparatus doesn't deny their existence or blackwash their history. Lol. Marxist idiot.

>>509050886
>That's why Trump wants to bring back the factories and domestic production
Trump has gone even further than that
and openly spoke of the need
to transform the Republican "Party"
into a (white) Workers' Party.
Things are actually much worse than people are letting on.
It is possible,
right now,
to organize whites on the basis
of white nationalist violence.
The split in the liberal ruling regime
is not (yet) wide enough
for one side to organize violence
against the other side.
It is coming though,
what we are seeing today
is unprecedented in "American" politics.
Trump is merely a symptom
of a deep underlying problem.
All the Leftoids
are being organized by the regime
into a defensive posture for the State.
If you have not already
you should read Lenin's
Imperialism and the Split in Socialism.
The Leftoid pieces of shit in "America"
are being organized by the capitalists
for their own defense
the same way it happened over a 100 years ago.
This is why I am trying to warn you now;
do not get involved with any of these groups.
Revolution is going to come
from people more influenced by
the Turner Diaries and Siege
than by anyone reading Das Kapital.
Revolution in "America"
is going to look like the balkanization of Yugoslavia
and that thing called the "Ukraine" right now.
It is import you either be on the correct side
with the people of your own nation,
or just to stay out of it altogether
to save your own life.
The new regime will be implicitly socialist oriented
for a very long time,
along NSDAP/Juche lines,
even if it avoids calling itself socialist openly.

>>509034599 (OP)
No.
At most we have cute femboys wich are cute and valid.

>>509050667
>Literally how? The only difference between capitalist and socialist countries is that in the latter the means of production are owned by the state (basically, the same elite that controls the government also controls the industry).
State ownership isn't necessarily socialism. It depends on the class character of the state. If the bourgeoisie controls the state (dictatorship of the bourgeoisie) then any public ownership will have a de-facto private nature and will serve private interests. If the proletariat controls the state (dictatorship of the proletariat) then public ownership will be socialist.
Socialism requires the working class to be in control of the state and the means of production, and the transition from a market economy in which production, distribution, and exchange are done for the sake of profit to a planned economy in which the working class democratically controls the economy with the primary motive being meeting people's needs and wants rather than making a profit.

>>509050295
Wow hecking based so you're in favour of ethnonationalism for brown people? Please tell me more about your anti-Marxian essentialism.

>>509051196
Are you referring to the Sino-Soviet split? Yes, Mao was against the Khrushchevite regime and viewed them as revisionist. He wasn't against genuine Marxism-Leninism.

>>509045040
>Blaming the Jews on all of this is a cope
Nope. Jews are parasite culture. Parasite culture is a culture that evolved withing second nature, i.e. houses, streets, theaters, banks and such. Not withing the first culture, which is lakes, forests, mountains and blah-blah-blah.
And a big part of the second nature is the social institutions, like family, personal property, vendetta, financial system, and so on.
Social institutions, in short, exists for a sole purpose of lowering the production cost per unit in mass production. To make things cheaper.
Jews, as a parasite culture, could not allow their culture to have social institutions, and and also have to attack social institutions of their host culture to maintain their identity as jews, because that's how cultures normally interact, by attacking each other.
As a result, wherever and whenever jews are allowed to jew around, people gets poorer and life becomes shittier no matter what.

>>509051642
But why would the working class be against exploiting the global south if it benefits them?
I guess your argument depends on the assumption that the working class is somehow morally superior to the bourgeoisie.

>>509047217
>democracy
It only works in very small communities where everyone knows each other. In any election with more than a few thousand voters, the people must rely on the media to form their opinion of the candidates because they cannot know them personally. It's just not possible for candidates to stop and talk to millions of people individually. It makes democracy effectively a plutocracy of media conglomerates, as the winner of the election, to a overwhelming extent, will depend on the portrayal they receive from the media. I don't mean TV only. The real campaigns nowadays are conducted on the internet, both in normalfag places like Facebook and in less popular spots like this little Mongolian throat singing forum.

>>509051837
I am referring to your whore of a mother right now, as she was too cheap to pay for abortion.
Mao wanted nothing more then soviet money and lands, and all the soviets dead. Whoever had been barking something remotely leninistic in china was getting a rope.

>>509051667
The liberation of Palestine isn't about ethno-nationalism, it's about defeating an occupying settler-colonial regime (which also happens to be a racist ethno-nationalist state) and restoring the self-determination of the Palestinian people. Marxists have always opposed settler-colonialism. Israel acts as a base of operations in the Middle East for Western imperialism. Palestinian liberation would weaken Western imperialism a lot.
That's why Marxists support their liberation, capitalism and imperialism are intertwined so supporting national liberation struggles even if they're not communist is important.

>>509052258
>(which also happens to be a racist ethno-nationalist state
Israel is a 54% majority sand-nigger State,
with over 2 million Arabic-speaking Muslim citizens
that vote.
The Kikes did it to themselves,
and they are doing it to European countries.
Bibi is the white face
of a sand-nigger party.
Likud is the party
all the Arabs-in-kippahs ("Mizrahi" Kikes)
vote for.
You will see "Right" wingers in the wild
telling liberals this same stuff
to get them to start supporting Israel.

>>509034599 (OP)
Who is leftychud calling

>>509052390
See picrel.

>>509034599 (OP)
No, because we're not mentally ill

>>509050089
>That's because the living standards of the West (the imperialist core) are based on the exploitation of the global south and cannot exist without said exploitation.
You got it backwards. It's the global south that is exploiting the western nations. Trillions have been spent, siphoned straight out of the pockets of workers in America, United Kingdom, Canada, Germany etc. and send straight to Africa, India and other third world countries to prop them up. Africa cannot maintain its population without massive wealth transfers from the western workers. That's the real imperialism.

>>509052258
>The liberation of Palestine isn't about ethno-nationalism
But it is fundamentally an ethnonationalist cause.
>Marxists have always opposed settler-colonialism
Oh so you oppose mass immigration into the West then too? Surely then we should send them all back.
>Israel acts as a base of operations in the Middle East for Western imperialism.
Jewish imperialism
>Palestinian liberation would weaken Western imperialism a lot.
Majority of Jews don't even live in Israel. You think they will suddenly stop their 2,000 years of consistent tomfuckery because they lose an ethnostate in the middle of the desert that they've only had for 75 years?

>>509051897
Imperialism is in the process of crumbling so that won't be true for much longer. Right now there exists a major divide in the international working class whereby a sizeable "labor aristocracy" is bribed by the bourgeoisie by getting a share of the surplus value extracted from the global south. If socialism reaches the West, it will be when the third world countries have liberated themselves from the capitalist-imperialist system and the first world countries are no longer able to maintain a bloated labor aristocracy and petty-bourgeoisie and are forced to proletarianize the masses.
We are already in the beginning stages of this with the crumbling of social-democratic gains and labor protections. Donald Trump is accelerating the process in the United States faster than I'd thought it would happen. Who knew the United States would willingly take a wrecking ball to its status as the global hegemon and piss away generations of built-up soft power? Trump only thinks in terms of hard power and coercion.
Maybe communists can take advantage of his idiocy. Anyway, usually the labor-aristocracy and petty bourgeoisie initially responds to proletarianization not through embracing it but through resisting it. We see this in the form of social-democratic politics and fascist politics. It would only be long after the masses in the imperialist countries are proletarianized that they gain a truly proletarian consciousness and act in solidarity with the proletariat of the global south.
That is to say, communism will remain especially irrelevant and almost non-existent for a while in the first world outside of boring Revisionist Marxism in academia. But that gives the few and far in between Marxists who do exist in these countries a lot of time to study and prepare for the establishment of new communist parties whenever the time comes.

>>509050667
>means of production are owned by the STATE
literally wtf
>>509050963
based
i'm waiting for it
>>509051279
>Japan's hyper capitalist society has no immigrants
are you from 90's? 00s? you are happy boy
>>509052581
blaming them for western capitalists doing profitable for them things? lol

>>509052258
Israel acts like a religious center for a boshevistic golem in Tel-Aviv-Moscow-Beijing axis, and always was.

>>509052589
How is it fundamentally an ethnonationalist cause? Is it because the Palestinian people are mostly ethnically homogenous? I don't refute the nationalist part but to say it's "ethnonationalist" implies that they seek to build an ethnostate.
And "ethnostate" isn't synonymous with "a mostly ethnically homogenous country".

>>509052581
>It's the global south that is exploiting the western nations
Always had been. Even during colonial times for each pound Britain was getting from African colonies it had to spent from 1.2 to 1.6 pounds.

>>509053217
>How is it fundamentally an ethnonationalist cause
Because all the non-White countries are ethnonationalistic. Cope.

>>509053217
>I don't refute the nationalist part but to say it's "ethnonationalist" implies that they seek to build an ethnostate.
The liberation of Palestine is fundamentally for the ethnicity that lives there, who are as you say, homogenous. Unless you are actually going to say "well ackshually anyone can be a Palestinian if you were born there" which is laughable considering that this is a liberal mentality doesn't exist except in the West. It's an ethnonationalist cause.

>>509053235
>Britain was getting
capitalists were getting
>it had to spent
workers had to spend
i don't think it's hard

>>509052881
>are you from 90's? 00s?
Nice argument.

>>509052589
>Oh so you oppose mass immigration into the West then too? Surely then we should send them all back.
Mass-immigration into the West is the result of imperialist destabilization of the global south. Overthrowing the capitalist-imperialist system would also put an end to wars in general, which means no more refugee crises. And it would also mean no more "brain drain" from poor countries to rich countries.
I think under communism, that while nation-states as an entity would no longer exist and that racial/national discrimination would no longer exist, that there would be cultural/ethnic/linguistic boundaries that would continue to exist not because of any efforts to maintain them or exclude anyone else but rather because there'd be less movement of people around the world in general.
There'd be more of an emphasis on existing in and participating in your local community as well. International travel would still exist and there'd still be people moving around the world but without brain drain and refugee crises then most people will just live around where they were born.
The idea that communists wish to blend all the ethnic groups, cultures, and languages together into one homogenous mass is false. Aside from being nearly impossible from a logistical and economic standpoint (even today at the height of globalization most people don't move across the world and tend to stay within their communities), it'd make the world too boring if you ask me.

>>509052072
Take your meds, Ivan.

>>509053478
We're splitting hair over semantics, but I'll just say that with the 2017 Hamas charter they state that
> Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

>>509053823
>Mass-immigration into the West is the result of imperialist destabilization of the global south.
pic related
>there'd be less movement of people around the world in general.
Naïve at best. There'd still be a mass exodus of people from the global south because they believe having access to white facilities is a human right. You're views stem from refusing to acknowledge the biological differences between races.
>There'd be more of an emphasis on existing in and participating in your local community as well
This already exists where I am from. Very heavily so.
>The idea that communists wish to blend all the ethnic groups, cultures, and languages together into one homogenous mass is false
This is a fundamental end goal of materialistic Marxian thought though. All of these things are bourgeois social constructs that need to be destroyed. It's literally outlined as such. It's not even arguable.

>>509053593
>capitalists
>reeeeeeeeeeee
PAЗBAЛИЛCЯ.
>>509053925
lmao, Mao was a rowdy guy, after all, even if he was a huge fag and loved to do that sopeur thing he learned in France. And you will never get what he was talking about because you only speak neckbeard. I'm willing to bet you never even steal anything in a shop, so Mao is not for you.
I know for sure that reading Mao's scribblings won't help you get it, neckbeard, because I know 100% sure why you went communist. You never had any friends. And you joined a cult thinking it's the next best. But you didn't joined an awesome, cool cult with free drinks, eadables, mind-altering sleep deprivation sessions in a cult's BDSM dungeon, and maybe even sex orgies innawoods every now and then. No. You had chosen a shitty, boring cult of discord wankers who's sitting on their fart-stinking sofas whole day long and talk shit. Because you're a dumb, cowardly neckbeard.
That's why you never get what Zedong meant. Just go find out what his nickname 'Zedong' means if you don't believe me.

>>509054680
>sopeur
soupeur, actually, excuse my french

>>509034599 (OP)
Lol literall communists on pol.

Nupol everybody where anti white judeo bolhlsivism and the anti white vermin Stalin are based

>>509054755
Communism is jewish and anti white.

If your a communist you are anti white and a enemy of the white race end of story

>>509040897
because communism is jewish psyop to harm the white race

>>509054755
I blame antibiotics. Too many people who wasn't suppose to make it are still around.

>>509054680
чё пopвaлacь, мaня, зaшивaйcя
>>509053801
>nice
yes
google about migrants in japan retard
their number has increased exponentially in recent years(it's a pity that this is for philipinos and other uzbeks, not for me)
god i knew rightoids are stupid but this thread is SOMETHING

>>509054277
As long as they don't exist on the basis of an exploiter-exploited relation then Marxists don't care if different ethnic groups, cultures, or languages exist. Some of the terminology might go away, like "white" and "black" since they're inventions of colonialism. But the actual people will still exist. Even religion was still tolerated to a degree which a lot of anti-communists don't expect since even though Marxism is opposed to religion it's impractical and logistically almost impossible to get rid of it.
Marxists don't believe in racial essentialism. White people will still exist because imperialism doesn't stem from their DNA, so "white genocide" isn't required in order to defeat the capitalist-imperialist world order.
>There'd still be a mass exodus of people from the global south because they believe having access to white facilities is a human right.
There would be reparations to be sure, to compensate for the centuries of forced underdevelopment of the global south and the trillions of dollars worth of value transfer and destruction. But I mean long after class society has been overthrown, when the present world order is just a distant memory generations ago.
There'd be no incentive, no reason to blend the different groups together because Marxism would've already achieved its goal: to liberate humanity from all forms of exploitation and establish a fully-democratic society with the masses having control over their own lives and over society in general. There's nothing reactionary about different languages, cultures, or ethnic groups existing. Now cultures in particular would be changed under socialism and purged of their bourgeois elements but capitalism is already doing away with culture and replacing it with a commodified enshittified form. If anything communism would make cultures genuine again and not just objects of consumerism.

>>509055186
>пopвaлacь
Лoл, нe пpoeциpoвaй.

>>509054809
The white race doesn't really exist as a meaningful concept. It's a concept which encompasses many ethnic and national groups. Are Irish people white? Italians? Slavs? Nobody can decide and /pol/ argues about it all the time.
White people will still exist, they just won't be called "white people" anymore because that understanding of race is a product of colonialism.
Communism doesn't believe that your politics are determined by DNA so there's no reason to "destroy the white race" in order to overthrow capitalism.

>>509055251
>"white genocide" isn't required
Why did they did it in soviet russia then, if it isn't required?

>>509055556
>The white race doesn't really exist
Who did Europe such a nice place then? And why Nothern America such a candy compared to South American pile of burning shit?

>>509035163
Marxists pioneered a lot of the modern techniques for infiltrating existing power structures, taking over, and then using the resources of that power structure towards [insert X cause here] which will inevitably be depleted/destroyed before they move on to the next.

Remember that Marxists do not create or produce. Like a parasite, they only infiltrate, drain/destroy productivity, and then move on to the next one leaving a lifeless corpse. Their model is not one of building up a great society, but of stripping down aspects of the existing society which they believe will one day lead to a utopia. However, you can't create something great when all you do is destroy.

>>509054277
>You're views stem from refusing to acknowledge the biological differences between races.
Marxists acknowledge the biological differences between the races: skin color, nose shape, eye color and shape, hair texture and color, and so forth. There are many. What we don't "acknowledge" however is the pseudo-scientific racist idea that races are immutable definite clear-cut categories, or that humanity is separated into different sub-species, or that there are racial differences in intelligence, capability, and aggression.

>>509043901
No.
Profit motive would still exist and creating hatred amongst many groups is exactly how richfags (the jews included) keep their money when people understand they're getting swindled out of the fruits of their labor.
Get rid of the jews and the remaining richfags will continue their work. Thats their biggest win: they've managed to make worshipping the rich a religion.

>>509055808
>and so forth
But what about IQ?

>>509055186
>google about migrants in japan retard
China? Vietnam? Philippines? Yeah, other East Asian or closely related groups in a relatively small number. Nowhere near what the West has undergone and they sure as fuck don't have their government telling them they are evil for existing, which was the original point I was making dumbfuck.

>>509055251
> Some of the terminology might go away, like "white" and "black" since they're inventions of colonialism
White just means European. Black just means African. It has nothing to do with skin colour. So no, they won't go away.
>Marxists don't believe in racial essentialism.
Of course not. Marxists believe, often somewhat clandestinely, that the culture and history of nations must be eliminated alongside the family unit as a bourgeoisie social institution and social programming, so that they may "better control" the productive forces.
>White people will still exist because imperialism doesn't stem from their DNA, so "white genocide" isn't required in order to defeat the capitalist-imperialist world order.
Imperialism only exists against Europeans.
>There would be reparations to be sure, to compensate for the centuries of forced underdevelopment of the global south and the trillions of dollars worth of value transfer and destruction.
Faggot. I was gonna respond to the rest of your post but honestly after reading that, what's the point. You will live and die in a world more unequal than you could ever imagine. Get used to it.

>>509055808
No, really, how come median IQ in Africa which is 75 BTW is below the European level of clinical retardation which is 85?

>>509035163
>No, my ideology is not infested with the mentally ill
Anon, I...

why do you use that odd word 'ideals', we have our own perfectly good word.


Lies.

Life is hard as a communist in general, trans people are your lesser problem. You constantly have to hopelessly try to square the circle to explain why all communist countries have been or are shitholes.

>>509055251
>the trillions of dollars worth of value transfer and destruction
No way niggers will actually be able to make that much money to pay Europeans for all the value transfer and destruction during colonial times.

>>509055862
>Profit motive would still exist
I’m convinced you have never engaged with economics in your life if you actually believe international capitalists would be in favour of an ultranationalist government with eugenic policies that would force their firms to have national responsibility and limit the free movement of labour and capital that has built their fortunes. Yes, the number one thing international capitalists want is for you to decrease their profit margins by cutting off the flow of cheap labour through third world immigration and rebuilding the family unit by easing women back out of the workforce and restricting LGBT propaganda. The number one thing globalists fear is a non-democratized government that allows no room for lobbying. We don't live in a democracy.

This exploitation manifests its purest form in the relativistic individualist liberal dystopia we have today where all roles and hierarchy or objective moral standards are sacrificed on the altar of every person of every race and sex being an interchangeable drone. 95% chance you actually believe women and black liberation is an organic phenomenon and not dreamt up in some think tank to double labour force, destroy the White birth rate, remove ethnic loyalties among Whites, and drive a wedge between the family unit to erode financial autonomy. Transsexualism is another cudgel against the family to erode the wealth base of the middle class and make you dependent on the state and the public sector that is directing the coming renter economy.

“Fascism” rebuilds these barriers to unrestricted profit. Communism is a globalist LARP with no basis in reality. Have you ever spoke to what the working class actually want? Have you ever worked a day in your life? Or do you just eternally exist fused to your couch like a fat ass loser complaining about capitalism and white supremacy all day?

>>509055950
Marxists are against the notion of a racial hierarchy which classifies humanity into "inferior" and "superior" races. This includes the claim that differences in average intelligence in different ethnic groups are because of inherent racial differences rather than other factors such as access to education, nutrition and hydration (early childhood malnutrition can lower IQ), etc. Nurture rather than nature explains reality better in this regard.

>>509055950
what about iq of rightoid voters
>>509056193
i don't care if you won't understand picrel

>>509055808
>or that there are racial differences in intelligence, capability, and aggression.
That's all we need to know. Thanks nigger.

>>509056667
>Marxists are against the notion
Yeah, I got that, but what about the IQ? You know, the measurable difference in intellectual capabilities that is verifiable and is observable by us like any other material object?

Stalin was based and I will murder anyone who says otherwise.

>>509035279
Any ideology that allows you to hate or deny Jesus is evil.

>>509056725
Since most of rightoids are men, and most of leftoids are women, depending on country rightoids are 3-7 IQ points smarter as a group.

>>509056468
>all communist countries
All 0 of them?

>>509056483
West-Europeans have acted as parasites who have raped and pillaged and extorted and stolen from the rest of the world for centuries. The only reason the rich countries are rich is because they've fucked over everyone else for a long time and continue to do so. Your views are simply not in accordance with reality. Any objective engagement with history will show that colonialism and imperialism have greatly benefited the West at the expense of the rest of the world; with any development in the third world funded by the first world is not philanthropic in nature but is rather a means to facilitate extraction of resources and surplus value.
Reparations from the global north to the global south will absolutely be required to repair the centuries worth of damage done by the former. White people depend on the exploitation of non-white people to maintain their high living standards and consoomer economy.
We're able to spend hours of our day on 4chan because Congolese miners and Bangladeshi factory workers and so forth spend the majority of their lives toiling away in terrible working conditions for practically no pay.
Parasitism and stealing is the life-blood of the West.

>>509057101
Read the Bible from cover to cover. It's the best way to become an atheist after seeing how absurd it all is.

>>509056984
I don't believe that IQ differences are because of race.

>>509057490
>The only reason the rich countries are rich is because they've fucked over everyone else for a long time and continue to do so.
The only reason the poor countries are poor is because they are not intelligent enough to build a successful civilization. Warlords rounded up their own people and sold them to Europeans for gunpowder and cigarettes. How is that our problem? These people (at the time of Europeans arriving) had never invented the wheel, had no formal written language and were unable to defer gratification (they had no words for "tomorrow" or "a promise" in their indigenous languages) and you expect me to believe that their lack of success is from a bout of colonialism where we introduced swathes of new technology and gave them all of their infrastructure? If that is the case then prepare to be disappointed when the outcomes of African society remain stagnated if not completely unchanged in the future.

Colonialism is the classic cop out for every act of non-White civilizational failure. They can literally never do anything wrong. I guess Hong Kong and India were never colonized then. Oh, but that was a different kind of colonialism wasn't it? What about Haiti? They have had over 200 years of uninterrupted monolithic black rule with additional subsidiaries from the US government for decades (America has given $466 million since 2010 and they have received over $13 billion in aid in total) and it's still a dilapidated, collapsing shithole no matter how much money is pumped into it. What about Ethiopia? It was never colonized, and it's worse off that some of the African nation states that were. Your worldview is asinine and you're a midwit that puts his neck on the line for people that would eat you alive because you are so overburdened by feelings of inferiority and oversocialization that it echoes throughout every fiber of your atomized, deracinated being.

>>509057795
All you have to do is read this >>509056974
You won't though.

>>509057490
>extorted and stolen from the rest of the world for centuries.
How come not a single colony except US and Australia was ever profitable then? Not African, not Indian. All the non-White colonies were money drain, since the day one. Which had been perfectly explained in Annual Report in British Admiralty 1902.
>The only reason the rich countries are rich is because they've fucked over everyone else for a long time and continue to do so.
How come Europe was LOSING money maintaining all those niggers and shitskins and still do?

>>509034599 (OP)
>Does this happen in your ideology?
nothing happens in my ideology

>>509057490
>Reparations from the global north to the global south
And with this
you will never get the white working class
on board with your bullshit.
The only people who will listen to this
are parasites who left their own nations
to leech off the System in "America."
You have locked yourself into
liberal Democratic politics,
and defense of a
multi-racial pro-faggot Kike regime.
It isn't the responsibility of the white working class
to give free gibs to non-whites
because their leaders made bad trade deals
with Kikes.

>>509057929
>because they are not intelligent enough to build a successful civilization
It's actually the depth of intrusion of default state network into medulla oblongata. Difference in IQ is a byproduct of this. Shitskins and niggers literally setting the plank making low IQ evolutionary preferable in their societies.

Reminder that all the leftist commie gobbledygook in this thread is based on ten of thousands of pages of nonsense and might as well be Warhammer 40k lore. These nigger faggots are arguing about pure BS. They think they have a monopoly on definitions because they are immersed in this commie "lore" that is basically pure fiction.

>>509057795
>I don't believe
Isn't communism is all about materialism and shit? "Believe" is not an answer.

>>509058496
>Warhammer 40k lore
>basically pure fiction
Shuddup, burger. God-Emperor WILL reveal himself and everything gonna be neat.

>>509057929
Pre-colonialism differences in development are more reflective of geography and other such material conditions, not inherent differences in intelligence. In the Americas, the lack of draught animals is one such factor which held native American tribes back from further development.
This isn't a Marxist video, but it goes over how Africa's geography has held it back from development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8m95sCDEf0
And the conditions of Europe incentivized the production of new technologies to deal with the adverse conditions of winter and so forth. Africans aren't doomed to live a hunter-gatherer life without outside interference.
Colonialism is not, nor has it ever been philanthropy. The infrastructure and railroads which the British built in Africa was for the purpose of facilitating the extraction of resources and wealth, not for the people of Africa.
The "philanthropy" is also to keep Africa dependent and whenever Africans overthrow their corrupt comprador regimes to stand up on their own feet the Western Imperialist powers can just withdraw aid. They don't want them to be independent and will destabilize their countries through sanctions, embargo, withdrawing aid, sabotage, assassinations, coups, etc. The "philanthropy" isn't philanthropy, it has strings attached and its purpose is to sabotage any attempts to achieve independence. The narrative that we're just showering third world countries with money and they squander it all is just racism.

>>509057982
All you have to do is read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
You won't though because all information has to come from 1800s phrenology and anti-science quackery, and sketchy /pol/ infographics and mainstream sources are controlled by (((them!))).

>>509035284
Yeah commies here are more conservative than the mainstream right, homosexuality is labeled as bourgeois degeneracy

>>509058778
What about post-colonial differences in development?
I mean, you know that the sooner a country had been de-colonized the worst it's doing economically, socially and in general? Too lazy to look for the graph, it's nothing fancy, tho, just a strait line without any aberrations so nothing really to look at.

>>509034599 (OP)
that's like saying you're a Christian who doesn't believe in Jesus, the top prerequisite of being a libtard is worshipping niggers and faggots. Stop appropriating chudjak and posting on my board, my culture is not your costume

>>509059226
>sooner
Earlier.
ESL issue.

>>509058778
>Pre-colonialism differences in development are more reflective of geography and other such material conditions, not inherent differences in intelligence.
Africa is the most resource rich continent in the world mate. They had all the material conditions required to do literally anything they wanted. But they didn't. When apartheid was abolished in South Africa the White government handed over a mostly functioning state with little corruption. Twenty years later and South Africa was a corrupt, crime-ridden, broken embarrassment.

>video
I'm not watching this leftist cope. People clearly have pathological altruism for blacks because of their lack of physical achievements as a racial group and this fictional oppression narrative, so they blame the material conditions and colonialism despite it not being congruent with other racial groups that endured exactly the same and worse. Notice you didn't even address any of my previous points. When pressed about it you say "um well ackshually" and provide absolutely no substance to the original claim. Again, outside of the coastlines, Africa was practically Neolithic before Europeans arrived. Blaming it on colonialism is just a cope. Children in Kenya and other African countries still fail the mirror test at six years old. Babies in America and Britain pass around 18 months.

>>509058915
>actually links to Wikipedia
Holy fucking KEK!

>>509058225
It's better than lying to them and saying that communism wouldn't come without sacrifices. The vast majority of humanity stands to benefit from communism, most white people are net-beneficiaries of the capitalist-imperialist system so its overthrow would result in a net reduction of living standards for at least a generation. But capitalism will proletarianize the white working class long before socialism ever comes to America.

>>509058778
>Colonialism is not, nor has it ever been philanthropy.
Sure it wasn't. It's just Europeans had had no economical instruments which could allow them to see if they were doing money in colonies or losing them. Until late 19th century. Financially, it's cheaper to feed all those niggers for free then to actually try to make some pennies on them. Chinks can approve my message, since they also tried recently - and then said fuck it, we're out.

>>509059230
I'm a jakker. I've been jakking for years. I was there before the fall of /qa/ and have produced many gems, and admittedly some coal. You can't take this from me.
Picrel: one of my gems

>>509059653
>overthrow would result in a net reduction of living standards for at least a generation
Wait, you guys planning to starve all the African niggers to death? Fucking hell, count me in! I would love to see all those cannibal slaughtering in 8k when the niggers will got a little hungry.

>>509058915
>anti-science quackery
Like the magic dirt theory that you believe in? Lol.

>sketchy /pol/ infographics
"Everything that contradicts my worldview is sketchy."

>mainstream sources are controlled by (((them!)))
Race is a barrier to unrestricted profit by your own fucking ideology. You are so logically inconsistent it's insane. You pick and choose what to believe around this fictional and ahistorical view of the world. Like what >>509058496 said, it's literally 40k lore.

>>509038865
>If all Jews were to magically pop out of existence overnight
the damage they've already done would still exist.
If jews went extinct 100 years ago there would be no civil rights movement, Hart Cellar Act, WW2, or war on terror. If jews went extinct in the Middle Ages there would be no transatlantic slave trade and almost no black people in the New World.

>>509034599 (OP)
The Obama coalition not working anymore?

>>509034599 (OP)
>ideology
why are leftards obsessed with this stupid concept where they have to cram everything into organised little conceptual boxes?

>>509059919
No not for Africans, socialism would only reduce living standards for those who currently benefit from the capitalist-imperialist system. This includes the vast majority of people who reside within the first world countries.
For most Americans, Canadians, Europeans, Australians, etc. socialism would lower living standards at first due to cutting off the flow of value from the poor countries to the rich countries. The top 10% of the human population lives comfortably because the bottom 90% of the human population lives miserably. Dismantling imperialism means reversing this equation, whereby the top 10% no longer has access to the surplus value and resources of the global south and the former imperialist countries are forced to develop independently and without exploitation. This may even entail a reversed flow of value from the global north to the global south, and not voluntarily.
It would be enforced by a coalition of socialist countries in the global south.
>fundamental to Maoism–Third Worldism is an understanding of the joint-dictatorship of the proletariat of oppressed nations (JDPON) and/or global new democratic revolution (GNDR) which is proposed as a form of alter-globalization aimed at breaking the political and economic foundations of the economic parasitism between the First and Third Worlds. The JDPON is a point of relative contention between the various proponents of Maoism–Third Worldism or at least the tendencies which have now been named as falling generally under the Third Worldist tendency within Marxism(...) It is upheld by a variety of Leftist parties, including the Revolutionary Anti-Imperialist Movement and Maoist Internationalist Movement (Prisons).
Ultimately living standards will improve for everyone, but for the net beneficiaries of capitalism things will get worse before they get better.

>>509060091
Well, since it's about magic, we'd probably will be able to magically restore them back into reality, and them magically pop them again. One after another. And again. And again. Not like it would repair the damage, but it would be nice, in a way. Just saying.

>>509060698
>No not for Africans, socialism would only reduce living standards
African living standards fully depends on gibs. If White countries would go poor thanks to your cult they won't be able to provide enough food for nigger to survive. Which would mean Africa-wide cannibal festival, lol. That will be fucking hilarious.

>>509055556
> The white race doesn't really exist as a meaningful concept.

Nice jewish talking points there Goldberg

>>509060069
I've already been down this rabbit hole before and don't want to again. Every pseudo-science ideology has heaps of "evidence" to go through that seem impressive in their little echo-chambers. Flat earthers have heaps of documentaries, graphs, infographics, charts, texts, and so forth which supposedly prove their views. I was a racist from 2016-2019. And I'm glad I escaped from believing in that garbage. Your ideology promotes hating the vast majority of society and leads to genocide and oppression, mine only hates about 1-10% of the world population and doesn't believe in exterminating said population as a means to achieving its goals.
I don't deal in echo chambers anymore. I post in far-left forums, far-right forums, centrist ones. I get my info from everywhere. Don't let anyone trap your mind in one place that's how cults start.

>>509061244
Nah, it's a neckbeard golem shabbos goy, not an actual kike.

>>509061244
Where does "white" start and where does it end? Are Italians white? Irish? Slavs? Turks? And why did nobody care about the concept of "white" before colonialism?

>>509061556
The only rabbit hole ever saw in your life is the hole of Judy Hopps on rule 34, you shallow brainlet.

>>509061556
Communism is nonsense gobbily gook that communists themself cant even agree what it is.

You got endless divisons in communism all claiming they are the true path of communism.

Maoist,Third world maoists, Marxists Lenists, Troykists, Stalinists and endless more obtuse doctrine all claiming they are the true communists and the rest are revisionists heathens and all have scores of books so thick you can beat a goat to death with them

>>509061021
Africans can replace aid with independent production if white countries would let them and stop with the sabotage and coups. Africans can and have become independent, but the West doesn't want African countries to be self-sufficient and independent. I wonder why? It's almost like we take far more than we give and that our "aid" is to have leverage against them and maintain comprador puppet regimes.
If you're interested, I recommend reading Walter Rodney's "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa". You can find it online for free but it's a lengthy text.

>>509058496
Yeah commies call that "reading theory" when in fact they are just reading nonsense lore and oh boy do the commies love to bring up a random obscure 2000 page book that 5 people in the world have read

>>509034599 (OP)
Stonetoss'es "Boulderlob" series is hilarious

>>509061657
>Where does "white" start and where does it end?
You know you could simply google the gene map for all the races, and that White people genetically perfectly groups and it's visible?
>>509062113
>white countries sabotage niggers
>Comrades, Amerika shat into our pants YET AGAIN.
Once again, how come the longer some shitskin country is fully independent from Whites - the shittier that country lives? Same with the percentage of White people in population. The less Whites a country has - the shittier it lives. Why?

>>509034599 (OP)
I get the feeling that 99% of people's attitudes can be summarized as
>basically a communist
>but without the retard shit that all the other communists think/do

>>509062495
Until they founds out a regular soviet worker was paying about 90% in taxes.

>>509034599 (OP)
Jews well-poisoned communism, simple as. And as much as poltards want to cry about commies it is free trade markets where a truly international people thrive; the jews love capitalism and hate communism. And just because there were good jews who were the early communist revolutionaries and ideologues they will forever disregard it like npc golem retards that they are.

>>509061907
Every ideology has infighting. I don't see the gatekeeping and separating in Marxism as a weakness. Filtering out those who smuggle in bourgeois ideology and gatekeeping Marxism is important. Marx and Engels dedicated years of their life to criticizing other socialists. Vladimir Lenin did the same by criticizing Karl Kautsky and Eduard Bernstein.
There is only one reality so there are some ideologies which better correspond to said reality, and there are others which correspond less to it. All these splits are done for the sake of refining Marxism, of figuring out the truth. As Marxism continues to develop, finding out which one is "real Marxism" will become even more difficult. But when push comes to shove, the party with the correct line usually comes to the forefront. The Bolsheviks were considered to be a weird fringe of Marxism for the longest time, but they were the ones to lead the revolution to victory.
The biggest threat to communism is not fascism, it's never been fascism. It's revisionism. That is, to put it simply, getting Marxism wrong. Either consciously or unconsciously smuggling in bourgeois ideology into Marxism and watering down the content to be more palatable to liberalism. The U.S.S.R. withstood the might of the Axis Powers and Nazi Germany, but fell due to the takeover of the capitalist roader Khrushchev. Determining who is and who isn't a communist, while it seems ridiculous to outsiders, is of utmost importance in Marxism in order to find the correct path toward revolution and to keep on the socialist road once capitalism has been overthrown.

>>509062837
Jews created communism. Communism is literally a replacement for the previous jew-induced religion that stopped working for their benefit about 1000 years ago.

>>509063023
I agree with your post fully but we have moved onto nigger worship as our state religion.

>>509062626
Sure, but then someone could just say that that's part of the retarded shit. People seem to just have a romantic/emotional/sentimental attachment to the label "communism", to it's aesthetics and to it's idealism, which is ironic for what is supposed to be a materialist worldview. For about 80% of the people I knew in college, I could paraphrase how they politically self-identify as
>i'm a communist
>i just think every historical communist movement did it wrong
They usually grew out of it around 25 or so, but it's strange how almost everyone goes through this phase and how predictable it is. It reminds me of very young baby development where a doctor can accurately predict the exact week they will start babbling, start walking etc.

>>509062444
Many countries are formally independent but are de-facto comprador regimes that are subservient to the West. In colonialism, the link between the colonizing country and the colonized country was open and overt. With neo-colonialism, the neo-colonies are officially independent countries with a formal democracy but are lead by comprador governments who sell out their countries to enrich themselves.
Rather than overt direct means, neo-colonialism typically takes place through indirect subtle means and it isn't as obvious that these countries are not independent. These puppet regimes are controlled through thousands of strings. However, if they decide to act in the interests of their people or even just the national bourgeoisie instead of a comprador bourgeoisie, then the imperialist countries make it much more obvious by responding with hostile measures: military intervention, funding opposition groups, sabotage, sanctions, withdrawing aid, and so forth.
France still has military bases in Africa and controls the affairs of their former colonies to a certain degree:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-u1Pjce4Lg

>>509051897
>I guess your argument depends on the assumption that the working class is somehow morally superior to the bourgeoisie.
Moral superiority plays no role. We're talking about a materialist system that does not assume morality.
It's a matter of class interests. You are part of the working class. Therefore, working for an order where your interests are pushed to the forefront benefits you.
The actual question is whether or not Marxism actually does that best.

>>509063321
>a romantic/emotional/sentimental attachment
It's actually a biological urge to degrade social relations to the level of the primitive small group. We hardwired for it like dogs hardwired to packs or cows to herds. That's what commies offer.
>about 80% of the people I knew in college
Who were getting free lunches in schools, even if was their parents who were paying for it and now getting 'free' education with student loans. Which why they never felt economical pressure that was supposed to force them to leave the primitive small group, i.e. to mature. They simply stuck on the lord of the flies island.
>but it's strange how almost everyone goes through this phase and how predictable it is
No, we all starts there, the only strange part here is 25. Normally, it was suppose to happen about 15. Probably, family issues, lack of parents' involvement into their kids' development.

>>509063730
>France still has military bases in Africa and controls the affairs of their former colonies to a certain degree
Now please compare the countries who do have Fench military bases to the countries who does not have them. Compare their standards of living, exactly. How come that the countries without French military bases lives way poorer? I doesn't even have to check to tell if it would be exactly like I just said.

>>509062918
It's not a weakness from an ideological darwinism perspective, but it is a weakness when it comes to getting people to support you because the more denominations, sects etc there are, the more people need to worry that they won't get what they thought they signed up for.

>The biggest threat to communism is not fascism, it's never been fascism. It's revisionism. That is, to put it simply, getting Marxism wrong. Either consciously or unconsciously smuggling in bourgeois ideology into Marxism and watering down the content to be more palatable to liberalism.
This is actually why I'm not a Marxist. There is a process of mutation and natural selection that acts on all self-propagating systems (including belief systems), and this process will always outsmart any attempts by individuals or organizations to control it because the evolutionary process will always have more informatic resources than any of its subsystems (since it includes all its subsystems' resources by definition). Consequently I seek to avoid belief systems that rely on "perfect" interpretation etc, because evolutionary fluctuations will never allow this in practice and you therefore need to ensure that whatever mutations do occur are safe. Being careful doesn't scale, you need to design the belief system from the ground up assuming it will fail so that you can ensure the most evolutionarily likely failure paths are safe. The problem with Marxism is that this isn't the case. If we give Marxism the benefit of the doubt and assume that a perfect interpretation actually will guide us to utopia, then what we have is a belief system where small mutations are the difference between utopia and mass genocide, and this chaotic sensitivity to small mutations is something I want to avoid. I typically find authors with a mathematical background like Kaczynski etc to be more appealing than those with a sociological background because they seem to place a higher priority on this kind of stuff.

>>509043164
>As a fascist chud, I am sympathetic to the marxist material view of history and think it's generally correct. However...
Fucking lmao. Both ideologies discredited. No wonder they are both cucked. Glad I was right.

>>509043462
>>509043164

>I use marxist historiography and that's fine. Honest!

>>509065191
>Both ideologies discredited.
Socialism has been discredited time and again, but fascism was only "discredited" at the business end of a gun.

>>509063321
This kind of thing goes all the way back to the 1960s when the CIA funded left-wing anti-communism in the guise of the "New Left". This was the original implementation of controlled opposition in politics. The ruling class could not allow for the existence of actual socialism in a form that would threaten capital, so they cultivated this toothless version of it instead, mainly aimed at the young and the naive.

You're 100% correct to notice that there are "developmental" stages that burgeoning socialists are filtered through to make them as weak, useless and ignorant as possible, while still feeling as if they're fighting the good fight so to speak. They're usually roped into pseudo-left politics when they're in college, be it by Trotskyite parties recruiting on campus, or by left-wing anti-communist college professors. This is the infant stage.

From here, they become indoctrinated as intersectionalists: they are taught to believe that class struggle is pointless, and that the real battle lines and drawn along the boundaries of race, gender, sexuality ect. This is the pubescent stage.

Finally, many of them come to realise how idiotic all of this is, and they happily discard their fake "socialism", become standard issue liberals instead. In some cases they even become conservative or more economically right-wing, and a small amount of them continue beating their heads against the wall for the rest of their lives. This is the final stage, the full maturity of the castrated pseudo-leftist. Their revolutionary energy has been siphoned off and wasted on this meaningless nonsense and they are now completely inert political actors who no longer pose a threat to capital.

>>509034599 (OP)
OP is poorly educated on account of that's how Marxist leaders prefer their followers
Bless OPs oversized, retarded heart

>>509064702
To each their own I suppose. I prefer it because it's the most comprehensive ideology I've seen. It provides not just "answers" but an overall analytical framework from which investigation can be carried out and more questions can be asked and then answered. Practice becomes theory which returns to practice to either be verified, discarded, or updated; then the refined theory comes back to practice to be tested again. Excesses are unfortunate but they're unavoidable. Though I believe that the number of excesses have been hyper-exaggerated by anti-communist propagandists, particularly in the Black Book of Communism.
No ideology has its hands completely clean except for the ones which only exist in the minds of individuals who refuse to ruin their ideas by trying to implement them in the real world.
Marxism is not one of those philosophies which conjures up a morally just and ideal world out of nothing and then tries to implement it in an imperfect world. Marxism's conclusions come from a thorough investigation of humanity and its development, extrapolating from the overall trend of development to find out where its going and how to bring it about.
I'm a Marxist because I believe it best reflects reality, as is why anyone identifies with any ideology. I think it's best to at some point, just stick to something and work for it. I think it's more noble to fight for what you believe in rather than spend your whole live confused and on the fence. Though I'm not discouraging skepticism and critical thinking.
Whether someone is a revisionist or not is more of a matter of fundamentals, and less so squabbling over minor policy disputes. So there's at least some breathing room in Marxism, as strict as it is.

>>509036348
>racial pseudoscience
found the kike

>>509065453
Incorrect. Italian Neopagan revivalists critiqued it as a pale imitation of Italy's past precisely on this basis. The critique against fascism has been that it is materialist and egalitarian, and not spiritual and sacral, and therefore insufficient, for all of its perversion of ancient Roman imagery, he just proved that critique true. Using materialist historiography is going to inherently limit your view of history according to what subversives want. Masonic and Marxist historiography are aligned. There are several extant Italian revivalist movements that have critiqued Mussolini on this basis.

>>509065453
>>509065845

The Roman fasces themselves are an image of sacral and religious authority. Thomas Paine agrees with my criticism here, from the opposite end, affirming that these institutions were generated as religious institutions. His works are hosted on marxists.org, ironically.

>>509065978
>sacral and religious
The ancients knew the healing power of sacral pizduli.

>>509066630
>nooooo i will continue thinking like an animal
I accept your concession, subhuman. Keep failing while avoiding the one thing that generates these institutions.

>kikes killed my Caesaropapist Tsar with pizduli

>>509063450
Except bottom right thinks "work" includes inheriting rental properties

>>509066895
You understand that fasces weren't for showing them around, right? It was an actual instrument. For delivering pizduli.

>>509067033
Historically, worked only once, on Madagascar, funny lemur not included.

>>509067223
Alright, I thought you were using a Russian idiom. By the time of the empire they were primarily symbolic and never used practically.

>>509067646
And that might be one of the reasons the empire had fallen. Soon you might see same with police's glocks in burgerish hoods, BTW.

>>509067885
Pizduli stops working after a certain level.

>>509034599 (OP)
Okay zizeck

>>509034599 (OP)
What do you find to be the best online socialist sites including news sources?
The socialist spaces I've seen seem to have a lot of the crap you acknowledge has no place there.

Best thread on the board rn

>>509034599 (OP)
I'm an ethnonationalist who believes that mRNA is the future of medicine and that antivaxxers are retarded. I also do not believe the world is run by a group of satanic wizards. So I kind of understand what you must be going through. It is strange to me that quackery is becoming a tenant of the far right (sorry guys, but wormwood extract and ivermectin will not cure cancer) and the government is not so powerful that it can control the weather. (No cloud seeding isn't precise or powerful enough to control the climate) I can imagine that a communist watching as retarded gender shit took over the ideological space must be a similar feeling.

>>509068833
>noooooooo why is my movement full of trannies

literally the OP. I can see it's an endemic blindness.

>>509068100
That's not a pizduli. That's a fight.
All in all, something something, Kohlberg, something something, stage three of moral development, blah-blah-blah, could only understand they were morally wrong after a proper corporal punishment.

>>509034599 (OP)
probably the worst infection of the modern right if it exists at all is the section of twenty-somethings and 30-something manchildren that simply can not get over their frothing hatred of (american) christianity

>>509068833
The only actual act against faggots, trannies and prostitutes taken by communists in 20th century is that mass syphilis treatment that Buenaventura gave to his own army of faggots and whores, when he machinegunned about a half of them. I think it was Buenaventura, like 30% certain it was him. Maybe some different spanish faggot.

>>509069835
almost as bad as the karl marx of rome pretending to be right wing causing us to lose ground after ground to the judeopuritan matriarch

>>509070030
thank you for proving my point, unlucky flag tho

>>509070030
That's a good thing, in a way. Bulla of Pope Innocent III that he made during the crusade is still totally legit, so if you had sinned badly you can always get a sin discount, like, seven sins doesn't count for any unalived communist. It's a good deal.

>>509034599 (OP)

You're being played by a Jewish satanic cult.

>>509070085
at least the christian socialist-marxists are logically consistent, so i dont blame them, miserable wretch

OP sez: "We need to talk bravely about white privilege, even if our voices quiver."

>>509070666
>be miserable
>accuse of being miserable
nigel you good?

>>509034599 (OP)
Patrick is a name for a blonde chud.

OP: "Sure, I guess everything Bernie Sanders has ever said and supported was 100% good for the Jews, and bad for whites, but it's probably just a coincidence."

>>509070735
>nigel
On the internet, you never actually knows who you actually talking to. He sounds laid-back, yet quite social. So there are chances he might be Mr Poppins, the British Shorthair.

OP: "We all know that George Floyd's windpipe was on the back of his neck. Pure coincidence that this tragic racist murder occurred during a presidential election campaign."

OP: "PS, take your booooooooooooosters. It's called science."

>>509071041
While that's true, all brits are called nigel, like swedes are called sven and russians are ivan. I don't think i've posted anything miserable so he was projecting cause my post upset him, evola would slap him upside the head

>>509068771
Your best bet is to read from a wide range of sources, including mainstream bourgeois media (NYT, WP, BBC, NBC, FOX, CNN, AP...), foreign state media (RT, CGTN, TeleSur...), etc. And keep mental note of their financial backing and biases.
Marx and Lenin read bourgeois media and economists all the time, you just gotta take what you read with a grain of salt as with everything else.
I would refrain from only reading alternative media, but here are my recommendations: The Grayzone, MintPress News, BreakThrough News, and Geopolitical Economy Report.

>>509071135
Laughing at a mentally challenged foreferalone, ain't ya? Well, how does that makes you feel, big boi?

OP: "Blacks have 1,000% higher rates of paranoid schizophrenia than whites? How could that possibly matter when it comes to systemic racism in policing?"

OP: "I didn't say I wasn't gay, I just said I don't support trans."

>>509070841
>bernie sanders
>a communist
He’s a reformist.

>>509071263

Max Blumenthal helped his father and the CIA overthrow Libya for Israel and the Jews. Then Max tried to help overthrow Syria for the Jews in 2013.

You're a gullible faggot. But feeling morally superior as a communist helps you cope with your well-deserved inferiority complex from being such a passive-aggressive little faggot.

Might as well just start supporting the trans shit, it's not like you have the courage to break away from the other passive-aggressive communist faggots.

>>509071263
That I already do, I suppose what I'm really asking for is a good source of socialist perspectives.

>>509071353
Bot post. You might as well have put random words together.

>>509071767

commie flag checks out.

>>509071521
He's a pederast. Therefore, a communist.

>>509036872
>Well if they just become communist then they....
>If they

>>509071680
There aren't too many explicitly socialist ones outside of the occasional Internet blog and socialist organization and party newspapers.

>>509072412
They all are socialists. You basically living in a Union of Socialistic States of Amerika.

>>509072412
Shame. That reflects a stunning lack of organization among a movement built around organization. Which isn't to blame those of you who are doing your best but, damn, what a lousy state to be in.

>>509053823
>Communists didn't want to blend everyone together
>Ignores the mass deportations of whole ethnic groups in the USSR, but especially in Russia, around into different areas far from their homes
>Ignores propaganda movies like Circus which directly states they don't see racial differences
Nowadays communists openly champion this as a goof thing so even if you were right, which you aren't, you're alone unless you want to go hang out with the Nazbols which nobody likes.

>>509055251
>Well we'll still have reparations
Hmmm where's that going to come from, pray tell? Cause most of the elites wealth is in liquidity and vanishes once they're dead or gone, not physically sitting in vaults. So where's the money going to come from and who's going to pay please tell me.

>>509071207
>muh emotional gaslighting
yes, you worship a soviet union knock off of the roman emperor, and he would slap me. classic socialist projection.

my post was telling you to go to the left where you are with your kind. but your rabbi has taught you to argue like a woman, so in classic fashion, you need it to be explained to you.
>noooo why am i surrounded by anti christs. surely the children are the ones who are wrong.

your over-affected frivolity isn't a win to anyone but schoolyard children.

>>509073770
>emotional gaslighting
kino post man, excellent

>>509073906
only women and gay men engage in social signalling bullshit and emotional signalling when they have no argument. your rabbi has twisted your brain into mush. everyone on the right views you as a marxist. its your grievance mother fucker. im perfectly fine here.

>>509073906
stop using roman imperial titles for your jew. dominus noster belongs to diocletian

>>509074180
you don't understand, you are going full throttle at someone because you of how close to heart this issue is for you and how fucking mad it makes you, regardless of whether i'm a christian or a communist or whatever. There's no invitation to argue anything and I don't care one bit. That you get this upsetti about it is a good illustration of my original point. That I'm a jewish commie kike or whatever the fuck just adds to picture of your random rage.

Btw you gotta be QUICK if you wanna dump that image folder, dumb nigger

>>509074233
quit well poisoning with your jewish friendly 'we only need to get to one guy' ideology
they created the fucking empire ffs. its why the senate murdered caesars ass