>Work harder save up zoomlet/zoomer you want to live the >American dream save up work harder.

>>509060120 (OP)
the work that we should focusing on is reform of the legislation that makes housing unaffordable.

What's the end game? All property is owned by private companies and everyone rents?
Feudalism 2.0

>>509060120 (OP)
>>509060957
I seriously wonder what the fuck is gonna happen, is just going to be rent or die or live in the pod and be happy???
Who is seriously buying a 700,000 dollar house that is not even half of an acre long

>>509060120 (OP)
That's below average price, should be around $840,000

>>509060120 (OP)
>No garage
I take it back, that's standard price

>>509061178
>is just going to be rent or die or live in the pod and be happy
Yep, imagine everything in your life as a subscription.

>>509060120 (OP)
I saw a cheap ranch house they needed rehab for $130k, someone slopped some paint on it and tore out the carpet now they're asking $275,000 one month later, it's over.

>>509060120 (OP)
Damn, that's cheap.

>>509060120 (OP)
Pardon me, coming through

>>509060396
Reform ain't gonna do what revolution must and that's why I am preaching Islam to you.

>>509062441
Did they put millennial grey vinyl flooring?

>>509062567
cut the price
or
proudly state
>I know what I got
and end up in a bankruptcy auction

>>509061178
>is just going to be rent or die or live in the pod and be happy???
That's the idea but they got too many pajeets and niggers for that, cattle will simply break into empty houses and live there without paying shit, they are already doing this but media aren't allowed to talk about it to not give more people that idea.

>>509062764
be aware
the magic words
>Attention investors
means it is a black neighborhood

>>509062691
Nah it had drainage issues so I gather they're just trying to cut their losses because it's wasn't worth it imo.

brick house anyone?

>>509062873
>>509062567
That's so wild, I have enough cash to buy those outright, but here I barely have enough for the deposit on an empty section

she's a brick... house

>>509063191
funny that, the cheapest housing market in the country is also the hottest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chMKo-4j9Ow
you know, because people eventually realize:
I can just MOVE to a place I can afford!

>>509062979
He missed the memo, you can't flip a house at 2x the price without the grey flooring.

>>509063173
you can build some nice houses when you want to

that would cost 240k in the middle no where here

>>509060120 (OP)
This is in the Westwood Lakes neighborhood of Miami, which is a decent area. Not too upscale, but far from ghetto. The lot also looks pretty sizable for Miami.

The interior of the home looks like your standard flip job. They put in new floors and painted the interior. The yard is large and looks like a mess. It sold for $480k in 2022. Then it sold for 675k in 2024. Now they want $710k.

Not in this market and with these interest rates. I would offer $550k for it and they can take it or leave it. There's no way its going for $710k with how high inventory is.

As for the faggot here posting clapped out demojobs in dead Midwest towns with fent addicts, niggers and zero jobs besides Dollar General, no one is stopping you from buying those. Just make sure you check that the copper wiring is still there.

>>509063469
It's beyond Parody.

How about a nice dilapidated wood home with unrepaired earthquake damage that the owner bought for $18,000 and is selling "As-is Where-is" (aka uninsurable damaged)
Yours for a measly $900,000

>>509063747
Here's your true off grid non-flyover house bro. I'm sure you're going to man up and live like a Kazinski now that I've shown it to you

>>509063469
45 minutes south of me. Nothing to do there, but very nice schools and town.

>>509060120 (OP)
700k for 1300 sqft?? What the fuck is wrong with your market America?? what went wrong, this is actually criminal. How? is this some kind of scam or tax fraud thing?

>>509064205
Miami will always be more expensive considering it's a popular major city. $710K is ridiculous, but I bet people would still pay ~$600K for this thing.

>>509061813
dog they are putting renderings in the ads? what hellscape is this?

>>509064354
Ok I see, it's still a lot in my nafri eyes it's hard for me to understand. What would this be worth if it were say somewhere in Arkansas or Georgia?

>>509061813
>Miami
>$710,000
https://x.com/Tomhennessey69/status/1938994121579925575

>>509063747
>This is in the Westwood Lakes neighborhood of Miami.
I grew up in a lake house not to far away from this one was posted , sold my house by the end of 2024, mind you an old house from the 40’s or 50’s with cast iron plumbing.

Mostly blue collar and old cuban / americans.

Miami id ridiculously expensive and flat out a joke to

>>509064125
>45 minutes south of me. Nothing to do there
I was just there this weekend, it was a lot of fun.

>>509064538
$50-100k. It would also be made from cheaper material.

>>509062654
no thanks

That is a Latin American neighborhood. The price is reasonable and affordable because whoever purchases it will be able to rent all of the rooms for $1200/mo each. $700K isn't very expensive if 6 adults are paying.

>>509064652
This looks reasonable. It's not too bad for you my mutt frens, I was worried for a sec from OP's post

>>509060957
>>509061178
Communal housing owned by the company the serfs work at. All rent goes straight back to the company. 2-4 families per 1 bed room apartment.
No work, no home. Given enough time new laws will be instituted to ban ownership of land/housing for the low classes.

>>509063993
Wow, and I thought US listings were full of shit. I dont understand how someone with a straight face can market this garbage.

>enquiries over $880k
LOL absolute unsubstantiated bullshit
>HomeEstimate (TM) Value: $930k
MyNuts Estimate Value: $100k and you pay for the demolition
>Rateable Value Reassessment: $590k
Means absolutely nothing. The shitbox sold for $18k, got destroyed by an earthquake, and now they're selling the land with a useless house on it thats going to cost $50k+ to demolish and remove as if its a livable property. They're comparing it to similar properties in the area that aren't damaged beyond repair. This is so disingenuous and scammy that if this were in the US, I'd report this agent for engaging in deceptive business practices and try to get his license pulled.

>>509064061
I live in Long Beach, CA because I'm an urban faggot that enjoys making an urban salary. Nice place though, great skiing up there.

>>509064578
Everyone from NYC is moving to Miami to escape the faggotry there, which has fucked up the market.

>>509062567
wtf even I have the cash to buy this
what's wrong?
is that nigger country?

>>509062441
You can buy a 30 ft sailing yacht for that.

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1993-cabo-rico-34-9756667/

>>509064373
Nah that's the front/back of the house.
But EVERY ad in NZ is photoshopped and I'm pretty sure they use AI now.
They have fake views out the window, fake light coming into a room and the whole house is full of fake furniture. The grass is fake, the whole landscaped garden is fake.

The worst part is that almost nobody lists a price, you scroll through hundreds of adverts and it's entirely;
>Price by Negotiation
>To be Auctioned
>For sale by tender

>>509060120 (OP)
women get a free house by selling farts

men can't even afford a house after 50 years hard labor

>>509060120 (OP)
How do you weave Mongolian baskets anons?

>>509060957
A housing market crash

>>509060957
not only that but feudalistic opportunity based on your skin coloration.

those houses look like some next to a beach property like california or florida.

that roof there, I truly don't know if could stand rain, so it must be california where never rains.

it is like someone made a provisional house there, wtf is that maze on the entrance? maybe the lot is big, that's why the prize, you're paying for a lot on a "good" area (it isn't good because there are only mexicans in california) but the idea is that it could be good...

it is speculation, it is implied that is worthy on the subjective value that mexicans and negroes aren't violent but in reality, due to the vassal of opportunities, a person who could buy it and built a decent home will do it on a private system like Calabasas, they know you can simply get out of your home and a homeless person is there and wakes up and stab you because masonic spanish semites are brown and dislike the non-brown...

>>509065142
>meme flag
>I will never be able to afford a hou-ACK!
try harder next time

>>509065015
>and now they're selling the land with a useless house on it
It also says the land is TC2 which is a post earthquake designation that means it's subject to engineering requirements if you want to rebuild.

Our whole housing market is so fucked it's beyond repair.
Every real estate agent is completely Jewish and use every trick in the Talmud just to be competitive.
The Parliamentary members all own multiple houses and the biggest voting block is all boomers that own 3 houses.
And our MMP system is so screwed that even if a party wins the election, several smaller parties just hold hands and "win" because collectively they have more votes.
They have setup whole generational systems geared to driving up the market, and all of our boomers bought houses for $20-60k and now they're worth $750k-1M+ they will never let it drop because that's all of their wealth. They can never sell for less than yesterday because every other house went up as well.

It's never ending and prices are going into orbit, nothing can stop it other than a total complete collapse of the country

>>509065502
It's much more expensive than that, because the niggers will steal everything you have a couple of times per year.

>>509065939
>321 Lafayette
>*in the 100% white census block*
>NOT WHITE ENOUGH!!
demoralization shills really be that desperate

>>509065846
>TC2; special engineering requirements

Oh wow, I wouldn't have even seen that since I'm not familiar with NZ designations. I'm actually a civil/environmental engineer and in California, so I know a little bit about earthquakes. So after you spend $50k demoing that house, and probably an additional $15k in regulatory compliance just because of the TC2 designation, you'll have to build a house with a special foundation and structural elements that would give it enough flexion to not disintegrate the next time an earthquake hits. So thats going to nearly double the construction cost of the house. But before you even do that, you would need to complete a geotechnical study of the entire site and have all plan sets approved by an engineer of record, and ran by the county public works department. Thats at least how it would happen here in CA. That's why no one develops in fault zones - juice isnt worth the squeeze.

Now that you mention it, that property isnt worth anything. I mean, its worth like $0 because the costs to build anything on it are potentially higher than what you could sell it for. Why would someone buy a $2m house on a TC2 lot when they could buy a $1m identical house on a normal lot just a few blocks away?

>>509067108
>I'm actually a civil/environmental engineer and in California, so I know a little bit about earthquakes. So after you spend $50k demoing that house, and probably an additional $15k in regulatory compliance just because of the TC2 designation, you'll have to build a house with a special foundation and structural elements that would give it enough flexion to not disintegrate the next time an earthquake hits.
describe this foundation in more detail please

>>509067108
The requirements would depend on the Geo report and range from having to build a raft foundation under any future construction which is fairly simple and would only cost around $100k.
>digging down to the water table and building up from ballast with layers of aggregate, bidim cloth and geogrid with Material Density testing every 400mm
Or if you're unlucky you might be told you have to do pile drilling at a cost around $300k + a raft
The bare land in the area is probably worth around $550k.
But with a house that old it's probably full of Asbestos and the soil may be contaminated too so the demolition is probably $300-400k lol

>>509060120 (OP)
>america
found your problem retard. you dont even own property in america, if you dont pay your property taxes, uncle sam will seize your house and send it to israel, brick by brick. sorry theres no burger king or walmart within moped distance of this literal castle, but its cheaper than your muttmerican poverty niggershack

>>509066578
You mean to tell me you picked a home in a depress economic zone and are passing that off as a "home"?

nigger there are no jobs in "buttfuckville, USA". It's not driving distance that I can tell. Thus the price: china & india & nafta rapeage.

I mean, sure, you have me busted, I thought you picked a home and not a retirement house for frugal old people, in deep industrially dead nojobs America.

>>509067587
>describe this foundation in more detail please
lol, okay, he vanished. Anyway, it would have been amusing to hear the godawful "American building code" approach to earthquake foundations. Here is how Japan does it.
It's called a "walking house" because the little wooden feetsies walk around on the stone in an earthquake, leaving the building unharmed. They've been doing this for thousands of years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWTfqBOIZ5s

>>509067587
This guy >>509067684 actually described it pretty good. Depends on the geotechnical report, so looking at soil type, depth to bedrock, etc. For a 1 story house, can probably get away with a poured raft/slab foundation if the footprint isn't too big and the house doesn't fall along multiple soil types which would cause a differential effect. Worst case scenario, as anon mentioned, friction piles or caissons, and lots of cut and fill to improve the soil, along with potential large scale soil grouting.

For multiple story structures, there might be other complex elements like shear walls, cross bracing, and potentially even putting the structure on rollers atop the foundation. All very expensive stuff. Since this isnt a high rise, at least you wont need any sort of structural diagonal braces on rails.

>>509067684
Would they really make you do a full asbestos abatement before the demo? Here in California, even if the soil is contaminated with inorganics like lead or arsenic, you dont have to scrape it until construction is over and grading is finished, since there's a good chance you can bury it during the construction of the new building.

>>509068260
>no jobs!
>Full fiber optic coverage
skill issue

>>509068416
The Earthquake foundations in NZ are unique because of our problems with liquefaction which Japan and America don't have.

Basically the whole area under your house that Americans use for basements is built up with layers of compacted aggregate all tied together with layers of cloth to prevent material migrating vertically and layers of Geogrid which is a chickenwire like mesh of ABS plastic to hold the material in a rigid form laterally.

Worse land requires Pile Drilling, where you bore holes roughly 2ft diameter in a grid every few feet apart across the whole area and ram and compact aggregate down the holes which provides vertical stability similar to the grounding piles of a skyscraper, but it's largely ineffective against lateral ground movement.

t.Civil Construction Operator in New Zealand

>>509068703
>Would they really make you do a full asbestos abatement before the demo? Here in California, even if the soil is contaminated with inorganics like lead or arsenic, you dont have to scrape it until construction is over and grading is finished, since there's a good chance you can bury it during the construction of the new building.
Yes the whole property would be sectioned off and you'll have to pay men in full suits and respirators to strip the whole house out.
Also if the soil is contam yes you have to site scrape and pay through the nose for certified disposal.
We're building a subdivision at the moment with arsenic and we just site scraped it all and it's just sitting there in a giant mountain onsite lol, probably waiting for payment from completed stages to pay for the disposal

is it possible to buy a house but not the property it's on?

>>509069037
ey thar sonny get you one ob dem online jawbs i get fb spam about (and believe)

If you have a remote job you can just move to somewhere WAAAAYYYY cheaper, like Thailand.

>>509069432
Yes.
Normally called Land-Lease or some other Land-Management term.
You want it to say "Freehold" to own the land.

>>509068416
I didn't vanish, nigger. We have this here too, its called seismic base isolation. You put the structure on rollers, or more precisely, rubber footings, to dampen force transfer from the foundation to the structure.

>>509069404
Its crazy that they force this. If you cover inorganic contaminated soil with 6-12" of clean fill/soil, its harmless since the contaminants aren't mobile outside of very low pH (or very high pH in the case of arsenic). Only VOCs need prompt remediation.

>>509069797
>If you have a remote job you can just move to somewhere WAAAAYYYY cheaper, like Thailand.
I did. Houses in Japan are way cheaper than here. So I bought one. For example, here is a house you could buy in Hokkaido for $67.
https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/6986703621/
Then I lived there for a few years while I saved up cash to buy a midwest house in
>OLD RETIREMENT VILLAGE BUTTFUCKVILLE USA AAAARRRRRGGG-ACK!!
I'm not asking you to do anything I couldn't do myself anon.

Look how many damned houses are for sale just in my city.
How are the prices STILL GOING UP?

>>509070348
>Grow a carrot
>Get arsenic
lol, lmao

I'm a WAfag and we were hit crazy hard by the influx of californians, illegals, and H1B poojeets/chinks. Bought my property outright for $125k back in 2012 and now it's worth $750k. It's insane how much the town has changed since then. The only entities buying any housing/property for the past couple of years are land developers

>>509060120 (OP)
This entire thread is retarded. Location is everything in real estate. Its not just about the house, the land has value as well. High demand areas, have high prices? no fucking way dood.

Idiot posting retarded dilapidated houses built in the late 1800s that look cheap, yeah dumbshit because they are in the middle of fucking nowhere and they are almost all total in-fill teardowns or $200k intensive renos. Yes you can buy a shitty, house in the middle of nowhere for cheap, thank you for informing us.

Posting historic castles and comparing them to other shit is retarded as well. Yeah the castle "only" costs 700k but its in the middle of nowhere and it probably needs multiple millions of dollars of custom rennovation that will probably have to be approved by multiple different levels of government, and historical preservation societies, etc.

This entire thread is just dumb, real estate is a market, those priced well in the market will sell; those that arent will sit. Posting a bunch of retarded, corner case homes doesnt make the argument for either side. These arent the types of commonly transacted real estate that familes buy. Its like those youtube videos of wrecked lambos with salvage titles that people try to buy and repair. It has no relation to the normal auto market. Yeah you can cry about prices being high, but deals are being transacted at the prices you see otherwise the prices would be lower. Yeah houses are expensive in dense metro areas, but most people that live and work in those areas start out living in apartments or condos, or in commuter communities where prices are lower. Just stop posting these retarded threads, all real estate is local, the threads dont prove anything they are just dumb and gay.

>>509070388
congratulations on signing the homosexual pledge.

I, not worshipping the many armed stupid monkey as you do, or the faggot, have remained pure.

>5 grand per month for a trailer

>>509070576
Most people here dont farm root vegetables on urban land, and you'd have to eat a lot of carrots grown in arsenic-contaminated soil to get sick. Under normal pH conditions, the arsenic isn't soluble so doesn't actually enter the carrot. Peeling it removes 98% of the surface particulates. The main risk of growing root vegetables is disrupting the cap, so just use raised beds like a normal person.

>>509070454
>How are the prices STILL GOING UP?
because banks are still loaning money anon
the key is to save your cash and buy when banks stop loaning money

>>509060120 (OP)
>>509061813
>54 Street 112 Avenue in SW Avenue
>Miami FL
pay this absolutely no mind
it's literally uppity Kendal niggers pretending they are Miamians
this POS lot is literally 112 avenues west and 50 Streets south from city center in no mans land

>>509070645
>houses built in the late 1800s
these are the best houses ever built in America anon
new houses are built with laminated cardboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leAWPZzaWL4
1870-1930 is the golden age
I don't even look seriously at US houses outside of this range
>dilapidated
I prefer "dilapidated" to renovated
I don't want a renovated house with cardboard and chalk drywall, I want to *restore* the house and keep the lathe & plaster walls, the woodwork, etc.
It's not good because it's old, it's old because it's good. Your new build has planned obsolecense with garbage concrete+rebar foundations designed to fail in 25 years. You'll be lucky if you finish paying your mortgage before the place is falling down around you.

>>509071598
>1870-1930 is the golden age
sure they had that original THICC california redwood timber for bones
but more important question is how much lead and asbestos were used in this era?

>>509071785
>how much lead and asbestos were used in this era?
I honestly don't care, even a little, about either of those. Neither of those things scare me at all.

>>509061178
The stuff near me looks like starter homes are over $1.3M we only make $300k and a near third is taxed. We can’t afford the mortgage, it’s 75% of our take home. Any loss of work would make us bankrupt.holy shit boomers had it so good. The house price can’t grow this much again, renters don’t have enough cash to go much higher and wages have been stagnate for decades.

>>509072392
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/206-N-Quincy-St_Commerce_OK_74339_M74271-69323