Why was the book of Enoch removed from the Jewish/Christian canon?

>>509090474 (OP)
It alludes to predestination.

How's it hanging, Bernie?

Talks about cool and epic shit that'll distract you from paying taxes

>>509090474 (OP)
Cause when you build a narrative you include and exclude information at your own convenience. All apocryphal texts should be considered canon.

>>509091914
Okay, so let's talk about the baptisms that Simon Magus performed.

>>509090474 (OP)
Idk but read the Book of Moses too

>>509090474 (OP)
Actually a lot of reasons. I haven't read it in a while, but it provides a lot of context. I think certain texts are designed to stay hidden in order to control the believers.

>>509091964
Sure, what do you wanna discuss?

>>509092397
How about the allegations that there would be fire atop the water as their heads plunged under?

>>509090474 (OP)
>Book of Enoch was removed from the Bible
Do retards actually believe this? The only people too stupid to have ever included it were niggers.

>>509090474 (OP)
what the fuck is a medical hat??
I'm not canadian

>>509090474 (OP)
Idk what happens in it?

>>509090474 (OP)
In the Book of Enoch, the sun and moon are described as being the same size, and smaller than the Earth. This is explicitly stated in 1 Enoch 72:37, which says they are equal in size and that the sun is seven times brighter than the moon

>>509092455
I'd personally interpret that esoterically. What's your point though? Are you trying to say texts with heretical elements shouldn't be considered canon?

>>509092707
From our perspective they look the same size. Ever been in the path of a solar eclipse?

>>509092759
No, I'm saying the church doesn't actually baptize people.

It contradicted some bullshit paul wrote (every book authored by paul is entirely made up)

>>509092707
and the rest of the bible is fully scientifically accurate?

>>509092815
That's a wild assumption though, you rely on the idea Simon was performing some sort of "true baptism" ritual that resulted in fire combusting magically on top of people's heads. But it could require esoteric interpretation (meaning it wasn't literal), or he could've been setting up practical effects/tricks during the rituals.

>>509090474 (OP)
The Church felt that the average person wasn't ready to learn about the contents of that book.

>>509090474 (OP)
The Orthodox Church views it as extra canonical. The Bible is focused on Christ primarily and His prophets/apostle. Enoch does not, but still contains truths.

>>509093111
>>509092759
>esoteric
We have DBZ auras.

>>509093111
He's also the guy who was known for literally flying, though.

>>509090474 (OP)
the book of enoch we have was "rediscovered" in the last couple hundred years and most likely has little resemblance to the original

>>509093672
until he was double teamed and hit with a mana drain in mid flight

>>509093672
Many spiritual/historical figures are known for flying, "bilocating", healing...etc. Everyone's free to believe they were doing all these things, i personally think it's a mix of narrative embellishment, altered states of consciousness and esoteric code.

>>509093724
no, the ethiopians have had it for a millennia at the least

>>509094000
those niggers couldnt preserve fruit


"AI Overview
When was 1 Enoch Written? - Reading Acts
The Book of Enoch was rediscovered in the mid-1700s in Africa and later among the Dead Sea Scrolls in the late 1940s."

>>509093983
Every culture on Earth has a term for clairvoyance.

>>509094037
Yeah, Dead Sea scrolls which date back thousands of years. The Jews back then considered them canonical texts so why remove them now?

>>509094122
>Yeah, Dead Sea scrolls which date back thousands of years
>>509094037
>and later among the Dead Sea Scrolls in the late 1940s.


>rediscovered

>>509094037
>refute with slop
doublenigger

>>509094151
its just a fact that it was "rediscovered" in africa around the time of the enlightenment that is true for literally EVERY text you think is ancient besides the bible

>>509094064
Sure, i don't discard people experiencing real supernatural psychic phenomena, i've experienced weird shit myself. But you're talking about flying here.

anyway guys its been fun im gonna go bury some books so they are rediscovered a thousand years from now, hell i might just leave them in a fucking cave im sure theyll be fine. pace

>>509092534
Correct. It was never part of the Bible.
There will only ever be 66 inspired books in the Bible. Otherwise most numerology present in the Bible will be destroyed.

>>509094253
Gravity modulation exists.

>>509090474 (OP)
in short, it's because jews don't want you to know about their polytheistic origins.
the book of enoch found in ethiopia in 1773, if you find the original picture copies, was written in ge'ez. very few modern ethiopians speak this language, let alone write it.

the "god" they were referring to in that book translates to one of the different gods in the jewish pantheon, not yhwh. this is why it was initially rejected, and also why every modern copy of the book of enoch that you find has yhwh's name "restored". this means that they took the name of the god already in the book, whited it out, and replaced it with yhwh or just the word God.

that's not to say it wasn't semitic in origin, it was just detailing the misadventures of one of the other jewish gods.

>>509094180
you are relying on gemini to tell you when enoch was rediscovered and simultaneously trying to ignore the fact that the english bible kjv et al has been rewritten many times, doublenigger

>>509090474 (OP)
It's a book that was written for the final generation.

>>509094253
>he hasn't experienced yogic leaping

>>509092534
>The only people too stupid to have ever included it were niggers.
Isn't it literally quoted in the New Testament?
Meaning the people in the New Testament considered it canon

>>509094415
wait, the book of yakub is real?

>>509094415
What was the name before yhwh ? Do you mind sharing where you got this information so I can read more about it ? Whatever the name is he sounded like he is the one sending the Messiah and the flood — and punishing the rebel angels who are the current masonic gods

>>509094571
The only part about Simon they left in was him showing up to a ceremony and asking to take part, offering a hefty donation. This, of course, meant he was the worst person ever and you shouldn't ever read any deeper into him.

>>509090474 (OP)

>>509094738
El Elyon which was just an individual in a pantheon of Elyons

>>509094837
A lot of names are references to the El.
Daniel, for instance means "El is my judge"

>>509094748
Jude apparently quotes the Book of Enoch

>>509094931
kalel means wonder woman is my dominatrix

>>509094837
Thank you, roughly translates to “God of Gods” I believe — also Lord of Hosts

>>509094931
Yes, I fucked up though, it’s the Elohim not other “Elyons. There’s only one elyon (most high) within the El-ohim

>>509094720
pretty much.

>>509094738
>Do you mind sharing where you got this information so I can read more about it ?
sure, give me a little bit though, it's a lot to work though. iirc it was argued in the council of hippo (i'm not memeing, that's really what it was called)
it's much like reading congressional record, it's basically a bunch of drunken ancient Romans arguing for eternity about why their favorite holy text should be included, and coping on the definition of "inspired". personally, i like the 300 year long debate about whether the book of revelation was gnostic or not, it gets pretty spicy.

this would actually be a good exercise for the A.I., hang tight.

>>509094571
>quoting something makes it cannon.
No.
Additionally the book of Enoch that exists today is not the one that existed in the 1st century.

>>509090474 (OP)
Jews stopped reading it because it clearly points to Jesus as "the elect one"
as a result it failed to get preserved properly and the copies you can get have error.

>>509095088
None of the books we have now are the ones that were written. How many people speak Aramaic?

>>509094738
although i think the leaf is right, iirc it was el-something, and a huge debate ensued as to whether that meant yhwh or not. gimme a minute.

>>509090474 (OP)
It was never cannon so it couldn't have be removed. That's like saying why was the cat in the hat removed from the bible. It's nonsensical.

>>509095088
>No.
If it's good enough for the brother of Jesus

>>509094571
Jesus even refered to it as scripture when giving His answer about there being no marriage after the resurrection. The idea that if you live forever you don't need to have children is nowhere in the canon old testament but it's the exact justification God gives to Enoch to tell the angels why He didn't give them wives. That humans die and need to be replaced but angels are eternal so they don't need wives/children to keep going.
Jude directly quotes part, and other apostles seem to allude to things from it.
>>509095088
This is the reason why the existant book shouldn't be considered canon. Some parts of it are going to be true, but other parts contain error because it's been improperly preserved as a result of only one denomination keeping it.
It gives figures of Giants being 2 kilometers tall, and references people like the Chaldaeans and Dan which.. simply didn't exist in Enoch's day, and the entire book hinges on it being written by Enoch, because that's what it claims. If it was written by anyone else say during the Babylonian captivity or after, then it is 100% lies.
However, apostles and Jesus refer to it.

>>509090474 (OP)
it's fake and gay and was never a part of original biblical text
only complete retards ever fell for this pseudepigrapha
and niggers

>>509094837
>>509094931
Gnostic fags are the worst fags

El means God, Elohim (plural) means gods.
Thus all the "Biblical" names that incorporate EL in them.

Michael - Who is like God?
Elijah - Jehovah is my God
Joel - Jehovah is God
Eleazar - God has helped
Elisha - God is my salvation
Daniel - God is my judge
etc. and so forth

El doesn't refer to a specific diety, Gnostic larpers are the worst faggots around and should be flayed alive.

>>509094738
>current masonic gods
Literally me

>>509095637
>Simon
>Peter
>Joshua
There are lots of biblical names that don't include El.

>>509095641
I wouldn’t align with cannibal devils and things destined for hellfire — these are the ones the sadistic fraternal pedophiles serve instead of god — there are statues dedicated to them all over DC

>>509090474 (OP)
Neon Genesis Evangelism is fake? What do you mean Watchers... fuck, angels! I meant angels. Anyway, what do you mean they don't exist?

>>509090474 (OP)
Btw Christianism is partially based on the book of Enoch lol or at least it was inspired.

>>509095181
Yahweh is alternatively referred to as El or Elohim by Pentateuch authors. Elohim is plural, however. Some interpret this as referring to multiple gods, but Abrahamic scholars have presented the term Elohim as referring to the Godhood.

But there is an undercurrent of in the first 5 books of monolatry, where multiple gods exist but only one should be worshipped, instead of true monotheism.

>>509095495
Matthew 22
>23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
>24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
>25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
>26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
>27 And last of all the woman died also.
>28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
>29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
>30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

show me where in canon scripture any of this could be alluded to. Jesus' rationale was that this was in scripture, and that was the source of their error was not knowing what scripture said.
Show me where in the canon old testament this concept of no marriage after resurrection is.

However here it is in 1 Enoch 15
>Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling.
God explaining to angels why they don't have wives.
This is expanding on what's recorded in Genesis 6 and what's alluded to in Jude and 2 Peter 2.

>>509094738
sorry for the delay, chatGPT was actually incredibly useful for once, and i was able to verify that what it said was true.

remember that i was talking about the language ge'ez, and it's translation found in the book of enoch.
you can find the source in "The Editor's Ethiopic Text" by R H Charles, 1912.
https://archive.org/details/TheBookOfEnochOr1Enoch.TranslatedFromTheEditorsEthiopicTextByRHCharles1912/page/n75/mode/2up

this one actually uses both ge'ez and english side-by-side. i am by no means an expert in ge'ez, but i'm at least good enough in linguistics to translate it to the IPA.
the word they use for "God" in that book is አምላክ, which sounds like "/ʔam.laːk/" (IPA)

chatGPT began yelling at me when i noted that it sounded like amalek, and he instead said that it was jewish root word "MLK" instead.
that on its own should show you why they were arguing about it for so long.

this now delves into a conversation about whether MLK meant king or not, you'll find a lot of christians crying that it sounds like molech / moloch. so this is now an entirely different conversation, but yes, that's why they were so upset about the book of enoch, is because it's translation used MLK instead of the word "God" or yhwh.

>>509097417
Thank you for the response anon, I’d like to add that MLK translating to “king” is also consistent with “Melchizedek”

(MLKy - zedek)

Melchi meaning king or prince (possibly prince because it’s “Melky” and not just “Melk”) and then zedek meaning Tzadik / Sadeeq — Righteous… so Melchizedek is the King of the Righteous or Prince (prince means son means inheritor) of the Righteous

King, God, Master, Husband, El, etc are really all the same word

The molek mentioned in Leviticus and Clinton emails is indeed the pedophile god I believe they sacrifice to and can also be attributed to the Phoenician Melquart (if you want to look into that)

I don’t think the Enoch MLK is the evil molek , it’s just the word “king/god” that can be attributed to the good god or the bad god

>>509098151
>I don’t think the Enoch MLK is the evil molek , it’s just the word “king/god” that can be attributed to the good god or the bad god
on that, i can't say one way or another. but i further asked GPT if every instance of the word "God" that appeared in Charles' translation was the same, and it said that there were a lot of different translational words meant for it. only thing was, none of them translate to the biblically typical word used for yhwh, so i think that's where the disconnect lies, or at least why the old councils had such a huge problem with it.
keep in mind the word MLK was a pretty huge internet fight back in the 300s-600s when all these councils were taking place. i can't find what i read so many years ago, but i swear i remember something about how they rejected enoch mostly because it wasn't using the "correct" or "approved" terminology for yhwh. and also, i cannot verify the አምላክ "/ʔam.laːk/" word the bot gave me, it seemingly jumped to the conclusion that it was the jewish root word MLK, and it doesn't seem to understand how it arrived there, it just keeps giving me a generic "i'm not a translation bot" script. so take that one with a grain of salt, but the other stuff can be verified in the link i provided above.
me, i don't believe in coincidences, especially when it comes to linguistics, so i'm actually more concerned on why the god's name they gave sounds so similar to amalek. the bot dies when i try to press it on that one.

as for the specific councils that enoch was argued in, i'm also trying to press it further, but apparently the transcripts from the ancient councils are too boring for even the A.I. to root through. if i find it i'll be sure to post.

>>509094326
Numerology schizos can craft a narrative out of any set of numbers. That's what they do, include, exclude, and manipulate combinations of numbers until they "mean" something

>>509097417
Could MLK mean 'malach' which is the Hebrew term for angels or messengers?

>>509092707
sounds about right

>>509094180
Oh but I'm sure the Bible has been completely not fucked with.

Good thread in a sea of shit threads

>>509090474 (OP)
It wasn't.

They threw a bunch of books in the air and they ones that hit the table got in

>he isn't schizomaxxing

because it was discovered hundreds of years later, and adding "new" material to a religion tends to be a no no. the bible is full of contradictions as is, so that's not a valid excuse.

it's obviously "canon", since it's referenced in the bible.

The real answer is because it was supposedly written by Adam's son preflood and nobody but retards fell for it. It was not part of the Bible, it is not referenced in the Bible, and Jesus sure as shit said nothing about it. You will get schizos saying all sorts of shit about it yet they don't even know the history behind it or even who wrote it. You will get claims that it is referenced in the Bible, yet no verses to back those claims.

>>509090474 (OP)
The Book of Enoch was retroactively canonized with the Zohar, as it's referenced quite frequently and Kabbalah is part of jewish tradition

even if a later addition

>>509101499
it could very well be that, that's why i chose to not give a definitive answer to anon's previous question. hebrew is incredibly difficult for that reason alone. MLK could be any number of words.

>>509094293
Lmao the rediscovered schizo.

https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/

Can some theology nerds explain why Trump doesn’t fit the Antichrist description?

t. Agnostic atheist slowly starting to see parallels of the biblical apocalypse playing out irl

Also what’s the meaning of the Epstein associated ex-Mossad intelligence agency for hire Black Cube having all of its phone numbers globally end in 666?

>https://www.blackcube.com/

>>509090474 (OP)
We wUUUUUUZZZ ROCKS N SHEEEEEIIITTTT

>>509092759
He's trying to pressure you into conforming to his arbitary abrahamic fanfiction of universal mythology (e.g.: Greek, Egyptian, Mesopotamien, Mesoamerican, [...]), that has been boiled down into, bastardized and rendered to the masses in the form of n-th hand translations, commentaries and interpretations.

>>509104730
>Can some theology nerds explain why Trump doesn’t fit the Antichrist description?
You could give any number of reasons, but the biggest reason is that so far, he hasn't set himself up in the temple in Israel and declared himself God. You'll know "the" antichrist by that.
>Also what’s the meaning of the Epstein associated ex-Mossad intelligence agency for hire Black Cube having all of its phone numbers globally end in 666?
Kabbalism, gematria, satanism. You should see how Moloch and false gods in general are worshipped as if they were God. I began to believe in Christ when I saw all the evil people doing evil deeds in high positions of power. The perversion of the rainbow in popular culture as opposed to God's promise is just an example.

>>509090474 (OP)
References to the Book of Enoch don't seem to tie in eith the Book of Enoch we have.
https://christogenea.org/podcasts/bible-discussion/esther-fraud-or-fable-part-1

There is a strong argument that the Old Testement was only first written down after the New, which is how all the prophesy is able to line up.

Was Enoch left out of that editing? Are there multiple versions depending on when first wtitten down?

>>509090474 (OP)
Enoch didn't write a book. In Jude, it says Enoch spake. Meaning what he said was passed down orally over the generations. It's okay to ignore the Book of Enoch because it's not relevant

>>509090827
>predestination
it's true though, it just doesn't unfold in a timely manner that makes sense to the casual viewer
was i supposed to tell you that?

>>509095064
>>509095468
>>509101499
>Could MLK mean 'malach' which is the Hebrew term for angels or messengers?
Given that is the same a Moloch or Melchior that opens up questions about whether Moloch.

Also, take note of the modern prominance of Martin Luther King and Harvey Mik. The former being the protestant heritic made king, as he is. And the later has nothing to do with milk and everything to do with moloch worship. Which fits.

>>509094326
But what if King James Bible was to be translated correctly and call an Ox for what it is instead of calling it Unicorn?

>>509103885
>even if a later addition
The Zohar is a later addition. Fomenko identifiea such Jewish scripture as 18th Century via textual analysis