>Has over 2x the capacity of lithium-ion
>Already being used in Australia, California, Canada, and China
>Totally green and renewable
>Doesn’t wear out like lithium-ion, which only lasts around 10 years
>Pretty much free, clean energy
>Stores heat in thermal batteries to superheat air for turbines
>Even stores 1000mw which no lithium ion battery can do
>Takes up 100x less space than hydro


Compressed air energy and thermal batteries are the future. If we really wanna beat air pollution and stay green, the way to go is solar, wind, hydrogen cells, and compressed air.

>>509099426 (OP)
>free, clean energy
>ignore the cost of the windmill and all the infrastructure and it's eco impact
real free and clean jew

>>509099684
Windmill is just recycled steel dumbass.

>>509099426 (OP)
>fuel (natural gas)

It takes over thousands of tonnes of c02 per month to mine lithium.

https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-much-co2-emitted-manufacturing-batteries

>>509099904
The chart is made before 2010. Thermal batteries are here which is made of graphite and carbon and is cheap af (1000 dollar per ton). Could store heat around 2000c. Powered by solar and wind of course.

>>509099426 (OP)
>Totally green and renewable
>retards flatout repeat this lie without single realization the entire system to build, support and repair said thing relies on petrochemicals

>>509099426 (OP)
You forgot to draw the flux capacitating magneto-discombobulator to turbocharge the cavern air with anti-subspace fluidic protons, Ranjeet

>>509099426 (OP)
>Compressed air electricity
Braaaaap

Stop being fucking stupid and kneel to liquid fuels already

>>509099716
No. You need magnesium aluminium alloy.

>>509100061
Old and abandoned salt mines is the best use for this. Literally natural gas companies store in those.

>petrochemicals

Ever heard of electricity nigga?

>>509100260
Electro-magnet generator exists.

>>509099426 (OP)
If you want really energy density and "safety" you should look into flywheels. A half ton flywheel spinning at 10k rpm can store a LOT of energy, "relatively safely".

>>509100182
Liquid fuel fucks up the atmosphere. Also you couldn't live in a city or state where thermal power plant is located. Cities are polluted and you can't even breathe clean air. Cancer is created by liquid jew. Gas had it's time and now it's time for total renewable and clean power.

>>509100380
I've looked into it but if we could scale it up (like power the entire country) it's impractical. Good invention though. But not completely free energy.

>>509100120
Ha

>>509099684
Energy payback time is less than a year for a modern windmill. The windmill lasts 25 years.

>>509099716
The blades are fiberglass or other plastic composites, that need to be buried once the windmill is retired after a meager 10 years of service because it's not recyclable.
Then there is the concrete block at the bottom which weighs multiple tons. Concrete is extremely energy intensive to produce as you need to literally cook rocks for hours to create quicklime (which btw releases massive amounts of CO2).
Windmills are a scam that's making a lot of people very rich at the expense of taxpayers.

>>509099426 (OP)
>solar, wind, hydrogen cells,
And that's how you ruin a good idea.

>>509099426 (OP)
The Amish run things on compressed air for some reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc0b4aBOyBw

>>509100639
Hydrogen cells are great and EU is in the process of fully adopting it. The only issue with it is it's hard to store and it emits water, yes, normal water.

>>509100696
Yes. They're doing it for centuries. That's their way of conservatism. Even their fans are powered by compressed air.

>>509100601
All that shit + the energy cost of maintenance and I promise you you’re still netting 20 years of surplus energy per unit.

What’s the problem with landfills? Modern landfills are safe.

The most important thing: It’s a white job from start to finish. You will never see a nigger working on one of these.

>>509100601
Perhaps, we could redesign wind turbines <3

>>509100601
They also break down when in use due to air friction, spreading forever chemicals throughout the environment, and they ruin air currents and heat up regional temperatures.

>>509100766
Off shore wind turbines are elite. 15 mw and even with 45 percent of it's capacity is super massive for a single turbine.

>It’s a white job from start to finish. You will never see a nigger working on one of these.

Off shore is built by Latinos and immigrants. The maintenance after it's done by mostly women. Only the boat part to get the women there safely is done by whites.

>>509100893
Yep, but they are fucking cool, and that has always been justification enough for faggot conservatives who do all sorts of wasteful things.

>>509100586
Yeah. Windmills are great if it's in right place.

>>509100942
4.7/10 but you ruined it with the women part

>>509099426 (OP)
flywheels work too

>>509100719
Hydrogen:
- Low energy density, hence why you need huge tanks running at extremely high pressures to store it.
- Embrittles and seeps through metals and then leaks everywhere, because naked protons are so small they can pass through solid objects, and cryogenic hydrogen storage isn't much better.
- Burns without a visible flame, so chances are you won't know if there is a fire until it has caught on to the point where it becomes unfightable.
- Explodes at almost any oxygen density, whereas petrol or diesel merely ignite and burn.

Climatic impacts of wind power (2018), by Lee Miller and David Keith from Harvard University - The effects of onshore wind farms in the US.
- Windmills diminish the pressure and kinetic energy of air to convert its momentum into electricity.
- As windmill power increases, air momentum decreases, resulting in diminished cloud mobility and a higher atmospheric temperature.
- The air gains entropy as electricity is entropy free.

And wind turbines/blades are the worst form of energy production, and they're ecologically disastrous from start to finish.

The only viable "green" energy is solar, but not with photovoltaic and not at a wide scale that you and other think it should be used for.

Solar and thermal or air batteries only works for micro-grids, and micro-grids only apply to rural populations and low-density suburbia, both of which can only exist when the population is universally White.

>>509101043
Thank the libs for that

>>509100766
They also kill the surrounding marine life due to the vibrations in the water.

>>509101200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KfoH32p3GY

your target demographic is dying out, you’re going to have to do better.

>>509099426 (OP)
you could also use solar and wind to pump water into a reservoir and then using hydro generators for energy when needed. Could also feed a whole ecosystem while doing so, like pumping water into a dry region, making a lake with fish,animals and shit for irrigation and whatever. Could even make an inland salt lake if the area is fucked anyways and any water is better than no water

>>509100601
Not to mention the copper used in each separate generator and the new lines to and from these remote windmill locations.
If they really were into any form of conservation things would look a lot different.
It's a huge wealth redistribution scam that the elites just can't help themselves in exploiting for their own benefit.

>>509101148
Dude, hydrogen doesn’t even work through combustion, get a clue dumb faggot. It generates electricity by converting fuel cells to power electric motors. In the EU, pretty much all the big truck companies have already built hydrogen-powered trucks that can do a 1000-mile round trip. That’s way better than electric or gas.

And all your rambling trying to say wind turbines are somehow worse for the environment than thermal or natural gas plants? Total shill cope. You sound like a walking ad. Honestly, how much did Goldman and Fridman pay you to shill up coal and gas? Retarded dumb manlet.

>>509101502
It's all a government gibs scam..
This.

>>509101502
wow it's not like copper is extremely easy to recycle

>>509101451
Hydros are great if it has a 100 square kilometres of natural land with reservoir. It's efficiency is low but does the job. It's entirely dependent on lands with natural elevation with lower water storage.

Compressed air does the same job with 100x less land. Literally.

>>509101806
Hydrogen combustion does exist but it's extremely inefficient due to the fuel density of hydrogen vs fossil fuels. BMW made a hydrogen combustion car but it got like 50 miles per refuel with the 1 big tanks taking up all boot and back seat space plus as the tanks heat up it slowly vents so you lose even more efficiency

>>509101502
>HAAAA I'M A FAGGOT SOLAR AND WINDMILLS USE COPPER AND ARE WORSE THAN MILLIONS OF TONS C02 COAL EMISSIONS PER DAY THAT CAUSE CANCER

Kikes do this so they can pollute white society for a few pennies.

>>509100601
you need lime and also gypsum/plaster of paris

>>509102042
2 big tanks*

>>509100286
>>509102058
>hurr durr Ethanol is carbon free guys, why would you not
>it turns out it literally costs more energy and CO2 than just using fossil fuels alone
>THIS TIME ITS DIFFERENT GUYS, ITS TOTALLY CARBON NEUTRAL, TRUST ME BRO

>>509101806
> And all your rambling trying to say wind turbines are somehow worse for the environment
I wouldn’t say “worse” but they definitely aren’t low impact. A windmill farm completely dominates a landscape, turning it into a barren and alien world where nobody goes or wants to even look at except out of morbid curiosity. Nobody likes a field of windmills. You haven’t heard of Don Quixote? It creates a War of the Worlds appearance and the windmills are huge, the land is all pockmarked with giant structures. It’s definitely an eyesore.

>>509102299
>ethanol

Thermal batteries don't require literally anything. You could even use sand as a battery. Using natural gas as anything for renewable is retarded.

That said, you're a weirdo kike.

>>509101418
With Whites goes the world.

>>509102042
>Diverted the truck topic to underdeveloped cars

Kek

>>509102958
>memeflag can't read

Not surprised

>>509099426 (OP)
This whole energy chain must be so inefficient like below 30% so why bother.

>>509103155
Shut up pajeet

>>509103240
70. Which makes it super efficient.

This is just geothermal energy with added steps

>>509103369
>70. Which makes it super efficient
Impossible with compressor and turbine in chain.

>>509100601
>Not recyclable
You will eat them, goy.

>>509101931
They're not recycling shit, there is no way they will be able to mine enough copper alone for their electrical utopia, all the wiring that goes into one of those Chinese shitboxes would be equal to probably three or four air powered cars and they are routinely recycled.

>>509103654
Copper is more abundant than coal you retard

>>509103522
Compressor and heats loses about 20 percent and the stored heat and expansion loses about 10-20. It's 60 and more.

>>509103654
>>509103806

Same faggots.

>>509103893
>>509103925
You meme flag faggots need to go fuck yourselves.

>>509100601

We already invented an energy source that is carbon free. It's called nucelar
>bu b but muh green energy!
All of the materials to make solar and wind are mined with equipment that used diesel fuel.
>inb4 just run them on something else
there is nothing else. You are the blackest gorilla nigger if you think you're going to run mining off of solar panels.
The only way is to make carbon neutral fuels using nuclear energy. All this green shit is just a distraction

>>509104042
Glowie meme

>>509103925
Says the fag resetting his IP after every post

>>509104122
Nuclear could be used for weaponry. Also it's super rare. It should be preserved for warheads.

>>509104142
Not me who do this.

>>509104184
Thorium is ubiquitous and can't be weaponized. Uranium isn't that rare either. A tiny Uranium pellet is worth 1 ton of coal

>>509099426 (OP)
Energy slop

>>509104304
Solar is a fusion retard. Sun is the biggest nuclear fusion and we should harvest every energy from sun to electricity.

Nuclear should be only for defense.

>>509104324
Exactly.

>>509104324
Exactly.

>>509104445
lol you are an underaged retard. You cannot make a solar panel without burning diesel. The point is to stop mining shit out of the ground nigger

>>509099426 (OP)
We need those caverns for CO2 storage sorry faggot

>>509104880
Peak retard take

>>509099716
They are actually expensive carbonfiber composites that are not recyclable easily.

>>509099426 (OP)
I like the compressed air storage but the vessel to contain the air is problematic.

>>509105048
Everything has to be underground.

Co2 is 10x smaller and more efficient.

>>509104941
We can use the old salt caves faggot. Could store high pressure gases naturally with no leaks.

>>509104880
Solar panels could be used for decades. Electrical use of mining is pretty big.

>>509099426 (OP)
Wind farms are pretty inefficient, only solar power is more inefficient. Nuclear power is cleaner and more renewable than both.

You are a retard OP

>>509105048
We could remodel wind turbines.

>>509106752
Nuclear is rare. It's not abundant.

>>509106789
You are just a confused midwit. Go consume goyslop.

>>509106825
A simple Google search will inform you this is false. Midwit.

>>509099426 (OP)
Weight is more energy efficient and simpler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB39BISNt0s

Windmills are cool, no more bowing to the rock jew.

>>509106924
At this rate, we would be out of nuclear in about 500 years retard.

>>509106993
Wind and solar for free energy.

>>509107107
What's the shelf life of a solar panel array.
I'll let you google it.

>>509106931
>weight
>simple

Name a single weight power plant.

>>509107522
The raw materials for a solar panel is the most abundant resource there is.

>>509107598
There's one in Switzerland. It slowly "falls" and generates electricity

>>509103806
No its not you retard. Look up known reserves.

>>509107631
It's also a incredibly dirty manufacturing process. I'll let you google that too.

We consoom too much energy to do retarded things that make us fat and depressed. This situation will correct itself eventually.

>>509101200
So? So what? Maybe they should adapt and not be such fucking pussies? When I drive my car, I rattle everyones window with my sick vibrations. I don't see a problem with it. Vibrations are fucking natural, and you're a queer if you can't handle them.

Peace.

The reason they push green energy so much is to steal tax dollars in the form of subsidies and keep the energy price high by stopping nuclear power production and sniffling progress in western countries and keeping us poor and energy dependent, instead of energy independent. Econazis are just useful idiots.

>>509107696
Now imagine a 1000mw off that. You can't.

>>509108379
Kike

>>509108542
Have you looked into it

>>509104139
>Glowie thread
>>509104445
>Solar is a fusion retard
wow...
>>509104973
Not really, manufacturing solar panels carries a hefty ecological impact, they are not recyclable and in implemented in the required sizes to feed small towns or cities demand acres of potential farmable land.
>>509106825
da fuq....
>>509107107
retard you realize latest nuclear plants are not the same as the ones 50 years ago, right?

While you work around the clock to shill ecocult bs ont he web to earn some co2 credits, your owners:

Around a hundred private jets carrying celebrities have descended on Italy to deliver eco-hypocrites including Leonardo DiCaprio, Oprah Winfrey and Bill Gates to the wedding of tech billionaire Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez.
https://modernity.news/2025/06/28/eco-hypocrites-take-hundreds-of-private-jets-to-bezos-wedding/

>>509108571
Yes. I've seen with the railroads too. It works but the power it takes to pull the weight is more than the power it generates.

>>509108563
Glow

>>509099426 (OP)
it makes natural gas, or needs it? I don't get it. nice link, fag

>>509108962
That's not the point. The point is stored energy, or difference of potential. It can be used when needed, not 24/7

>>509108379
"Green" is mostly virtue signalling. Appeasing the masses which were told "green gud" in vague or outright duplicitous terms. There might be real money involved like you're saying but that's just businesses adapting, not by design.
In theory solar is great but anons have already talked how it is in practice.

Also fission is getting more traction now that Europe finally pays attention to matters of security and independence properly.

>>509099426 (OP)
The greenest solution is to keep using nuclear and petrol while killing of shitskins and jews

>>509099968
Lithium is reusable though so that's fine.

>>509108983
It needs heat. The air has to be super heated enough for 500c. He chart is old. With renewable resources we could heat up a thermal battery for air to get superheated. No natural gases needed.

>>509109131
You'll see fission when you and your hohol relatives get vaporized in micro second. Putin has had enough.

>>509099426 (OP)
Diesel is still better

>>509102660
the same thing was said about producing Ethanol
>bro its growing corn! It takes carbon out of the atmosphere already bro, its already carbon negative bro, Trust me bro, give me all your tax money to save the earth bro
if it was able to make a shit ton of money, someone would already borrowed a shit ton of money and made it when interest rates were still 0% QE^∞
fuck off

>>509109825
The problem with making renewables is it isn't profitable. Saving the planet is more in important than money will ever be.

>>509099426 (OP)
Big risk of exploding or leaking away though.

>>509099426 (OP)
Water works too. I guess you could even use sea-water.

>>509099426 (OP)

I read a whitepaper on this. Maximum theoretical effiency is 20%. An experimental installation had a power recovery rate of 7%. The energy gets lost as heat when the air is compressed. Contrast this with hydrogen (50%) and batteries (80%).

>>509100601
>which btw releases massive amounts of CO2
The same amount of C02 is absorbed from the air as it sets, idiot.

>>509110344
It's underground. Natural gas plants use the exact same way.

>>509110501
Share the info you read. Cause it's super off.

>>509099426 (OP)
This is the most retarded shit since wave power.

>>509110730
Join your leader by shooting yourself

>>509110672
>Share the info you read. Cause it's super off.

I got it off an internet search, cant be arsed. The reason compressed air has not been widely adopted (its low tech and very cheap) is because of this low recovery percentage.

>>509099426 (OP)
"Compressed air electricity" usually refers to a method of storing or generating electricity using compressed air. There are two main concepts behind it:


---

1. Compressed Air Energy Storage (CAES)

This is a way to store electricity, not generate it directly.

How it works:

When there's extra electricity (like from solar or wind), it's used to compress air and store it in underground caverns or large tanks.

Later, when electricity is needed, the compressed air is released, heated (usually with natural gas or another heat source), and used to spin turbines to generate electricity.


Example:

Charge: Wind turbine makes power runs a compressor stores air underground.

Discharge: Air is released spins a turbine makes electricity when needed.
---

2. Pneumatic Electricity Generators (Rare Use)

Sometimes people refer to using compressed air directly to power a small air-driven generator. This is not common for large-scale electricity production but may be used in niche applications (like portable tools or emergency systems).


---

Pros and Cons of CAES:

Pros:

Stores large amounts of energy for long periods.

Can help balance the grid during peak usage.


Cons:

Low overall efficiency (~40–60%).

Needs big infrastructure (like caverns or large tanks).

Often uses fossil fuels in the air reheating step.
---

In Simple Words:

Compressed air electricity is like charging a big air battery when power is cheap or green, and using that air to generate electricity when power is expensive or in demand.

>>509100601
They actually use more concrete per MWh than nuclear power plants. Which is funny because concrete is often what people bring up with nuclear plants.

>>509101162

Hydrogen cells deplete far quicker than electrical batteries. The cost of hydrogen conversion is staggering, not much return even via electrolysis where the majority of it is still converted from fossil fuels, largely coal. The hydrogen fuel cell depletes in next to no mileage and usage. It costs a lot to replace.

Why is it today most of you are fucking retards. All you've managed to do is put up your premiums and continue making products with even less lifetime on even more intensive resource heavy production.

Like let's do away with the campfire and make a solar powered fire. You people are monkeys. The stereotypical Gen Z autists. They buy advertising without looking under the hood. How stuff works and what does actually cause.

No. Most large haulage firms aren't using Hydrogen. It's redundant. The cost of the transport, fuel, and maintenance

>>509108542
The one in the video you didn't watch stores 100Mwh

>>509100696
There was at least one mining operation that harnessed the energy created by a waterfall stored as compressed air. In turn the compressed air was sold back to the mining companies who used it to drive their equipment.

>>509110861
Your brain on Gemini AI. Many such cases sadly.

>>509111260
The last time I did a research, there's no such thing as a 100mw gravity battery. And 100mw is relatively low in all standards. Share the link if it actually exists.

>>509111315
Good imput

>>509100586
Fiber glass is definitive cancer zone for every life around each of these windwimll.
The material cost adn maintenance put them in the negative compared to nuclear.
A cancer zone, is not green renewable energy. It's a subside to jewish private companies.

>>509112254
Offshores are pure steel

>>509104122
The big opposition to nuclear has been the fear of meltdowns and waste storage. But I imagine we’ve come a long way in managing those downsides over the past forty years or so. What’s the latest?

>>509099426 (OP)
Or we can just build png generators...

>>509112857
You wanna hear the latest?

The nuclear should be used for warheads. Wasting it on electricity is the worst possible mistake we could make.

>>509113325
Fuck is a PNG generator?

>>509113368
breeder reactors can make more

>>509110926
Gemini AI

>>509099426 (OP)
Dammit, why do we need to rely on medieval tech?
Where is my fucking zero-point energy generator?
Nigga wtf we're living in 2025, bring forth the fucking ayy tech

>>509112454
And destroy the planet main source of oxygen.
Where does the goal post move to now?

>>509114014
Nigga thermal batteries are the meta. The alien tech you've been looking for is heated steam using heated graphite.

>>509114186
Damn steels absorb oxygen now? That's news to me.

>>509114685
yes, it's called rust, but that alone shouldn't have much of an effect

>>509115642
Windmills are coated.

>>509099426 (OP)
>Compressed air
When air is moved,
the molecules resist,
both low pressure brethren,
and against high pressure brethren.

As such, the maximum efficiency,
can never be above 62% ever,
while even the lowest of the alternative,
lithium-ion batteries is 86% at least.

You fucking retards, a kilogram of Uranium costs 100$ and produces power worth of 4.000.000$, you fucking wanking monkeys!

>>509115875
Dumb pajeet memeflag. When the compressed air is super heated, the efficiency triples.

>>509099426 (OP)
Melting and starvation are the future, mate. Then a few survivors living underground. No Mars, none of that shit.

... and then one day, for no reason whatsoever, the Jews decided you were all just cattle.

>>509100719
It's killing off lots of migratory fish species, like some fresh water eels that are almlst extinct by now.

>>509116271
Hydrogen by electrolysis? Never. I think you're confusing it with hydro storage.

>>509116271
Whoops, misread, though you were talking about hydroelectric dams

>>509115994
Wow. You underestimate the geniuses that's left. The Earth is good. Forever.

>>509116375
Rolig. It's all good.

Why are we acting like we need some new miracle source of energy when we have known how to build nuclear powerplants for more than a half a century at this point???

>>509116019
You need to study the laws of thermodynamics. This contradicts the very first law.

>>509116471
Using such a powerful and useful mineral for electricity is peak retardation.

>>509099426 (OP)
> natural gas
> heat capacity of air

You're a big, fat Nigger

>>509115954
>the efficiency triples
Add costly gas to the equation,
Efficiency is over 100% goy!

>>509115954
You can just store the energy in a battery, then run a fan when needed, and you get better results than a reservoir of compressed air. You are dumb.

>>509100766
If net energy gain is your concern then wouldn't nuclear be the best way to go?

>>509116718
>>509116758

Listen you samefagging French jew. The heating is done by heating thermal storage which is carbon. The carbon is heated by renewables. The heating is done by conducting the heat of compressor so free heat. The heat is then used for superheated steam. Stop being an idiotic shill you dumb kike.

>>509116878
Cause nuclear should be used for defense and science?

>>509116906
>The heating is done by heating thermal storage which is carbon. The carbon is heated by renewables. The heating is done by conducting the heat of compressor so free heat. The heat is then used for superheated steam
Sounds simple and efficient. Clearly your genius is able to comprehend the implications, while we plebs, can't.

CAES is pleb tech, use it when you have no batteries, but a water reservoir is 100 times smaller and cheaper to run.

>>509116987
breeder reactors produce more fissile material than they consume which can be used for defense

>>509116987
Isn't the entire idea behind modern weapons that depleted uranium make for good warheads? Im also fairly sure it takes less uranium in general to create fuel for a year than it would to make a few hundred missiles which are used in one day.
Im not aware of any weapon using enriched uranium. I believe thermonuclear bombs (if they are real) use depleted uranium to kick start the hydrogen part of the explosion.
And how could I forget about science. Your right, you used the magic word to defeat all arguments. Science says nuclear is bad so we need to poison ourselves with other energy methods. Im sure your science could prove me wrong on the production numbers I previously mentioned in this post.

>>509100380
Gravity battery might be even better. China built some. Might not be done yet. But it's retard simple.

>>509110489
One of.these exists in like Wyoming or somewhere over there. Built in the 50s or 60s I think.

>>509117624
Depleting fucking uranium for electricity is retarded. That's it.

>>509117005
>100 times smaller

Lmao. You're a low IQ lying faggot. No more replies for you.

>>509117919
It exists throughout US and Canada retard. You need to go touch grass.

>>509099426 (OP)
they already pump water back up into dams to use for hydro-E if solar or wind is working but not needed.

they already got turbines and stored water has other uses.

>>509117861
>Gravity battery
That's just hydro battery with expensive materials instead of water.

>>509118019
>No more replies for you
If my messages are lies, they can't affect you.
If my messages are truth, they can affect you.
Are you affected?
Lesson in that.

>>509110538
Plus more over the lifetime of the structure.

>>509117624
an even better use is conversion of uranium 238 into plutonium. you can make more nukes.
also, the process requires a radiation burst to start it. the hydrogen stages I mean.

>>509099426 (OP)
You're half right, IRON + AIR is the magic combo
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a42532492/iron-air-battery-energy-storage/

>>509099426 (OP)
These things cause earthquakes and if the containment fails there is no telling what happens to surrounding strata of rock and soil, nothing good.

>>509110235
>you will save the planet with esoteric power generators that consume more energy than they produce and require the rarest earth minerals mined with borderline slave labor imported from the opposite sides of the world and environmentally toxic materials to make
keep telling yourself that, im sure it will come true

>>509118081
You failed to mention a 1000mw hydro plant takes up 100 km2. Literally pathetic. It also is completely depends on geographic. You can't go around and installing water dams in Arizona. It takes 10s of billions for a single hydro storage. The efficiency is so low that it takes 125 percent of power to pump it up and makes 100 pumping down. So there's negative power which can be cut down by insane amount of renewable resources.

Compressed air does the job within a km2. Co2 is way less.

>>509118668
>it takes 125 percent of power to pump it up and makes 100 pumping down
Conveniently neglecting to mention these numbers are worse for CAES than water.

>windfarm

>>509118520
Wait till this Finnish faggot realize where nuclear is stored. The biggest issue of nuclear is it killing millions of people in case of a tsunami or an earthquake.

>>509118424
Thermal graphite battery and using renewables like solar and wind the right way is the future.

>>509116647
Nigger we could make thorium reactors if we wanted to. The only reason Uranium based fission reactors became the mainstream was because they were a step in the pipeline of making nuclear weapons in the first place.

>The only reason Uranium is
>>509116679

>>509099426 (OP)
I think there is enough parasitic loss alone to sink this
However it takes energy to compress the air
More than you get running a turbine on compressed air

>>509118882
>thorium

This idiot thinks thorium works kek. Do you have any clue what you're talking about?

For me, it's an series of ram pumps and a reservior

>ram pumps
>tanks of water

Its like a 10% efficiency thing with 90% loss so if you just make the system a loop and make it big as fuck it works great

>>509119243
And why would it not work, retard. Everything I have read about it seems to indicate that it was a viable path that was just not pursued because it didn't benefit in the nuclear arms race, thus leading to the uranium based fission reactors becoming the more developed and established way of producing energy trough nuclear fission.

>turbines in the decline pipe to refill the ram pumps
>this makes energy

>>509099426 (OP)
The only factor that matters is the cost per kwh. If the storage adds more than 10 cents it's completely worthless.

>>509099426 (OP)

Fake and Gay. Just like OP

>>509119564
>10% efficiency thing

>>509119623
This Canadian is taking about money when saving the planet is crucial. Money doesn't matter. Everyone should get free electricity.

>>509119889
>This Canadian is taking about money when saving the planet is crucial. Money doesn't matter. Everyone should get free electricity.
Well if it costs more than 10 cents added, then just run nuclear instead. Nuclear is much cheaper than 10 cents but I'm willing to offer some flexibility in case we can get better with experience.

>>509120022
Uh.. cause I want nuclear energy to spend in technology and warfare?

>>509099426 (OP)
>Wind mills
>Clean energy

>>509099426 (OP)
Potential -> Kinetic energy storage has been a thing for a long time.

>>509119779
You are too stupid to understand

>>509120350
Once again, nuclear wins, followed by hydro.
Every other contestant is stuck eating crayons off-track.

>>509112254
>The material cost adn maintenance put them in the negative compared to nuclear.
LOL! LMAO! As someone who works in nuclear it is the least cost efficient method of energy there is. Takes 10-20 billion to builld each reactor and containment building, takes a decade plus to build, and it is down about 4% if the time. There's a reason every time the government says it's going to cut subsidies every nuclear plant involved says they're gonna begin decomissioning.

>>509120585
>You are
Working in the energy field as we speak, and not shooting opinions out my ass.

>>509120591
>Every other contestant is stuck eating crayons off-track
This is correct.

>>509120658
You dont know what a ram pump is

>>509120689
>>509120658
And you also didnt understand what I meant by 10/90, lol

I am saying you need a reservior thats 10x your pump rate, jackass

>>509120350
neat, why doesnt the infograph show the returns on the other energy forms?
Seems a lot like saying Madammi tweeted out on 9/11 2001

>>509120689
>what a ram pump
I never seen anyone use one in a serious setting, only for fun or boredom, I thought we were speaking about serious things here. Why bring this into discussion?

Also, if you recapture the height potential, the ram pump is up to 70% efficient. You are still wrong with the 10%. But continue in your americunt ways.

>>509120749
>And you also didnt understand what I meant by 10/90, lol
I still don't. Where did you get those numbers?

>>509112857
Nuclear is expensive and we lack the infrastructure to expand it at a reasonable rate while our remaining plants are older than anyone working there and are being maintained with expensive rebuild projects costing tens of millions of dollars. If nuclear was to become the mainline power generation source you'd need an investment along the lines of 1 trillion over 15 years. That should get you 50 reactors being conservative or 100 reactors if you're okay also funding the inevitable cost overruns.

>>509099426 (OP)
Relaxes in nuclear

>>509120594
12 billion per 1000mw energy. 15 billion overall and 10 plus years minimum to make everything. It's the most expensive way there is.

>>509120895
>>509120937
Ram pumps toss out 90% of the water, it says nothing about the effiency of a looped system

Perhaps there are modified ram pumps with different rates, sure, whatever, not relevant to the concept that certainly does work at a large enough scale

>>509120996
Even though off shore wind is expensive, it's super green and a guaranteed way to make similar power to nuclear. It's better to invest in offshore turbines.

>>509120996
The expensive meme is artificial as lawfare ground it to a halt for the petro dollar scheme, which is over

>>509121037
>Ram pumps toss out 90% of the water
You can recover it by dropping the remaining 10% down through another pump.

>>509120997
>dies along with millions when a minor leak happens

>>509121151
Anon for fucks sake read my original post

>series of ram pumps

>>509099426 (OP)
Compressing air creates a lot of heat, compressors use a lot of oil and have a lot of wear parts. Best case scenario, they are using oil free air compressors for this (big$$), probably centrifical considering its feeding turbines. What you have created is a normal coal fire power plant using natural gas instead of coal.

A coal plant pulverizes coal into a powder and blows it into a combustion chamber with compressed air to ensure the most complete and efficient use of the coal. The heat is used to create steam for the turbines, the waste gasses go through FGD (flue gas desulfurization) and the ash is collected and either used for drywall or disposed of in nearby, purpose built, landfills.

Same process for natural gas, just without the ash. Less processing of the waste gasses.

Only difference you are proposing is using windmills for the compressed air power instead of the powerplants own energy.

>>509121200
>>509121151
Okay i didnt say series of ram pumps but it should have been fucking obvious


>elevated tank at top
>series of ram pumps
>turbines in decline pipe
>auxillary elevated tanks at differing positions
>bottom tank

It even primes itself, and if you take advantage of groundwater its GG

>>509121200
>original post
Here is my original posts.
I think all other discussions up to fusion power are irrelevant.

>>509121183
Fear monger propaganda from the same sources

Molten salt preceeded your bomb factory scapegoat anyways

>>509121336
For me its Viktor Schauberger, he is my inspiration for invention

>>509121336
>all other discussions up to fusion power are irrelevant
The meme is too strong

>>509099426 (OP)
Pity we can't just harness thunderstorms.

>>509121125
It really isn't. You're talking about hiring thousands of people to work around the clock on a construction project that will take over a decade, you're talking about building what amounts to building a bunker 200 feet tall with complex wiring and piping inside of it able to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, you need to build support structures out into a lake or river and a cooling tower. Tianshan in China which was build relatively recently cost $7.5 billion and they're paying chinks who are far cheaper than Americans.

>>509117861
>Gravity battery
unless you use water and large reservoirs this is beyond retarded

>>509099716
Windmills full of oil, the compressors are full of oil, and you must change that oil frequently - dumbass

>>509099426 (OP)
>Air is pumped underground and stored for later use
BRAAAAAAAAAAAP
imagine the leaks
>>509120594
No one cares roughneck. Nuclear plants are expensive because there are so few and they're not optimized with modern tech.

>>509121183
Safer per kwh than every other source.

>nobody talks about volcano batteries

The ancients would be disappointed

>>509121720
>Nuclear plants are expensive because there are so few and they're not optimized with modern tech.
China is practically mass producing them and they still cost close to ten billion and take about a decade and unlike America China has a massive construction sector.

>>509121388
And the fuel is recyclable.

>>509121808
what do they know, they're building tons of the least efficient energy plant. Not like our biomass plants and offshore solar farms

>>509100696
> hey im amish, dont forget to like and subscribe to our facebook and twitter
wtf?

>>509121504
All that hot air wont power your future

>>509121808
Based Chinese bet on Solar now. They won.

>>509122334
Good. Now do costs for all the robotics involved.

>>509121341
>molten salt

Fuck molten salt.

>>509119779
Woah, a high end lead-acid battery can reach 95%?

GM is working on a compressed air engine. Goodbye EV’s, goodbye China
https://youtu.be/FdnZMc8y13I

>>509122652
>GM is working on a compressed ai- BOOOM
Goodbye

>>509122652
The video is AI but the research is true. People are looking into it.

>>509122488
>>509122523
Nuclear rainessence is back on the agenda memeflag . Its been artificially supressed for 50 years

Better get onboard

>>509123037
Retarded faggot

>>509123452
in the future, first responders won't get near your burning car because there's a liquid oxygen tank in there.

>>509099426 (OP)
And yet you need natural gas to fire the turbines. Guess where that comes from?

>>509099426 (OP)
Renewables are just a meme energy. This is what you require per 1 GW/h
>100+ km of access roads
>100+ km of extra transmission lines
>100+ km power cables to sub stations
>Dozens of smart sub stations
>More concrete than 20 nuclear plants
It still comes with other problems
>Requires large amounts of rare earths to be sourced from all over the globe
>Each blade creates about 1000+ man hours of traffic delays
>Energy loses to battery storage can be 10% to 40%
>Shutdowns in bad weather (2 days of bad weather forecast for me right now)
>Peak production often doesn't match peak demand
>Baseload power station lose 5-10% efficiency due to the fluctuations of renewables
>Affects wind flow
>Encourages soil erosion
>Destroys generally untouched forests
>Kills birds
>Ugly
>Usually pushed by hypocrites and commies who'll move heaven and earth if it spoiled their view of the countryside.
>Only 10% of the wind turbine is recycled concrete is covered over and blades buried
>Not even the safest form of energy
>Caused week long black outs due to mismanagement
>Liking renewables makes you look like a homosexual

>>509099426 (OP)
Why are these a thing when gravity batteries exist?

>>509123795
Read through the thread

>>509100601
The scam is the claim that CO2 is responsible for climate change. You have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that.

Peak human development is using the earth's natural features in an elegant way that harvests energy without disrupting the symbiotic relationship we have with our environment.

We are apparently too stupid to integrate ourselves the way other lifeforms do. We just brute force everything. Just burn shit and make explosions and call ourselves superior.

The earth is literally full of lava, the oceans are enormous, the deserts are endless, we ignore it all.

>>509099426 (OP)
>>509099684
>>509099716
Every single one of these ideas is cope for retards who are too stupid to support nuclear

>>509111496
already posted it
>>509106931

>>509107132
>Wind and solar for free energy.
It's all free, either from the sun or lava.

and yet we pay for it.

>>509100286
>just mine materials and build structures with electricity bro

>>509125416
We need to do research for it then. All I want is free electricity and the clean ways to do it.

>>509125523
We should use it in the right way.

>>509099426 (OP)
Nuclear fission is still much more efficient. Why do people jump through hoops to produce clean energy, but ignore nuclear energy? I used to be a faggot like you, and thought there really was such a thing as "free energy", but with our current level of technology, there is no such thing.

>>509099426 (OP)
What's the energy efficiency tho? How many watts do you need to compress the air and how many watts do you get out from it?

>>509100586
In a perfect world it's one year. Not really the case in practice. Nice try schlomo.

>>509099426 (OP)
Just build more nuclear power plants. Anti-nuclear shills are useful idiots paid by both petroleum corporations to keep the profits flowing and our geopolitical enemies to weaken us.
We do not need to support chink mines and factories and burn a fuck ton of fuel bringing windmills and solar panels here from the other side of the planet so they can fail in 10 years and then probably get shipped to India so children there can burn all the the insulators off and salvage any metals left in it. It's a complete and utter scam.
Build nuclear power plants here, mine the uranium here, bury the waste up in the shield. It's geologically stable and no one cares about mosquito filled peat bogs anyway.

>>509099426 (OP)
This is fake and gay you cant make electricity from air you fucking retard

If you care about this planet if you watched few youtube/facebook/instagram shorts, you are retarded. Let this shithole burn. I give 0 fucks about genz and bellow abominations.

>>509125942
70 and upwards. Potentially 80 if everything goes right. There isn't anything that's already in market for the turbines so it has to be designed and built in a large scale. Running air compressor takes less energy than water pumps. The real difference is the air has to be super heated to maximize efficiency.

>>509125854
Free energy exists and it's solar. Solar rays is made by fusion. You could use the heat for so much things.

>>509126317
I care then.

>>509126215
Fuck petroleum. And fuck nuclear for electricity.

>>509099426 (OP)
We're on a giant rock spinning at a bajillion miles an hour with water moving around it producing billions of pounds of force every hour, a core of thermal energy that is like a bajillion times greater than all the energy humans have used in our entire lifetimes, enough wind to spin countless turbines for the rest of human existence, and countless other virtually infinite sources of energy.

If they were ok with us having unlimited energy we would have had it 100 years ago. It's clear they won't allow it to happen

>>509126341
According to google its 40% to 70% so even 70% sounds unlikely, meanwhile lithium batteries are in the 90% range. Flywheels are in the 70% to 80% range while gravity batteries are 80% to 90%

Basically compressed air is a low tier energy storage method

>>509126728
>just like fuck all forms of electricity bro
We're not giving up electricity and living out some retarded Luddite dream. Nuclear is the best option at this time in an imperfect world.

>>509099426 (OP)
Can't wait for the next gen Compressor Iphone.

>>509099716

>>509100286
good luck building one of those faggot turbines with electricity. How do you fabricate any of the components? How do you DRIVE that huge hunk of shit out there? How do you assemble it? All requiring real energy. Then by the time that windmill hits it's 12 year mark and it's no longer a net negative it will have stopped working and need to be demolished... using more real energy to deconstruct and bury.

>>509126769
The amount of energy you can get out of those sources is tiny and requires complex resource intensive devices to do so which only last so long.
Yes, you can live inna woods and run a single lamp off some solar panels for 20 years or whatever and feel good about it as long as you ignore the pollution in the atmosphere and the lake of lithium byproduct in China that exists as part of producing that equipment.

1/10

proof /pol/ is retarded

>>509127955
you retards have no idea how any of those processes work. Steel is made using electric arc furnaces, fiberglass is actually cotton candy made with rocks instead of sugar, its also entirely electric. Most industrial processes are electric and always have been, its just a matter of where it comes from now. Most mining equipment is electric too, just with a diesel generator on the surface that can be replaced with a battery and solar or a grid connection
>>509128087
lithium byproduct is literally just salt

>>509101502
Pretty much the whole point of the whole thing right there.

If it was about saving the planet from pollution and climate change, it would be in the form of a tax on big polluters and regular and public fines for illegal polluting, and then a series of massive subsidies for regular people to buy less polluting options.

It wouldn't ever be anything like imposing costs and rules on regular people and then subsidizing big companies for them to do climate friendly things. And it wouldn't be this monomaniacal focus on climate change either, there are many forms of pollution that directly impact health and livelihoods right now that are being ignored or even promoted in favor of tackling climate change.


99% of people could transform their whole lives to pollute as little as possible and it wouldn't make a dent, or 1% could take a slight reduction in profit and it would end the whole problem.

>>509129661
>or 1% could take a slight reduction in profit and it would end the whole problem.
precisely why climate change is bullshit.
if it were really a problem there would be massive global regulations over night.

>>509099426 (OP)
The most sensible energy production methods won’t be promoted because tptb want everything centralized and easily controlled. Only shit that requires big infrastructure and/or specialized knowledge will be promoted.

>>509125854
>Nuclear fission is still much more efficient. Why do people jump through hoops to produce clean energy, but ignore nuclear energy?
Because the green movement grew out of anti nuclear hippies. All their support structure is build around dirty hippies hating nuclear power. Now when the new generation of greentards grew up they hated CO2 with a similar passion. This has lead to a civil war within all the green movements of the world.

Nuclear power is the lowest source of energy per unit of CO2, and it just keeps getting better the longer plans can run.

>>509100766
Wind is not a net energy producer.

>>509108188
Shut the fuck up you pathetic 65 IQ subhuman shitskin animal jeet

>>509099426 (OP)
That's a retardedly inefficient way to store energy for later consumption. Flywheels would be far more efficient.

>>509099426 (OP)
Lmfao you idiot you are actually nerding out over some garbage that doesn’t work or causes more problems to solve an issue that doesn’t exist because faggots without a real defendable political ideology have resorted to scare tactics to get political control

Lmao at your life

>>509099426 (OP)
why would you convert physical energy into electrical then back into physical then back into electrical?

>>509132947
the biggest issues is the mining of the raw materials for the battery storage that the solar panels need.

>>509134361
To store the energy...

>>509100601
On top of this the turbines are effectively giant blenders, making smoothies out of rare migratory birds.

>>509132947
No it's not. Of course it's not 100% efficient, you lose energy changing it into compressed air and letting it out, but batteries aren't 100% efficient on that either. This is just a battery made of air.

The only dumb part is the wind turbine because those are dumb. But you could attach this to a dam or a coal plant or a nuclear plant and be just as successful.

>>509118668
>100 km2 of floating solar photovoltaic panels
Yeah maybe in China, here we have mandatory bbc worship cuck faggotry and trans surgeries for kids because muh reparayshuns for gods chosen greatest ally or whatever

>>509134681
you could skip the first conversion.

>>509099716
not even fuckin close you rape baby

>>509099426 (OP)
The more parts of the process you have, the greater efficiency loss you have. If you put the generator where the compressor is and get rid of everything else, you will get more power out of the system.

>>509128983
>Lithium byproduct refers to the materials remaining after lithium extraction and processing. These byproducts can include leached spodumene concentrate, delithiated beta spodumene, and various residues from battery production.

>Specific Lithium Byproducts:
>Leached Spodumene Concentrate (LSC)
>Delithiated Beta Spodumene (DBS)
>metallic residues, contaminated chads, and metallic rolls, that may require further processing or recycling
>wastewater from Lithium Brine Extraction

>Environmental Impacts and Management:
>Lithium mining, particularly hard rock mining, can generate large amounts of waste material in the form of tailings.
>Lithium extraction from brines requires significant water for evaporation and other processes, potentially impacting water resources.
>Both brine and hard rock lithium extraction processes contribute to CO2 emissions, though the exact amount varies depending on the method.
>Proper disposal of lithium battery residues and other byproducts is crucial to prevent environmental contamination.

Fuck off, shill.

>>509099426 (OP)
>huge conversion losses
>constantly bleeds energy throgh cracks
>if overcharged it blowes up then the whole place caves in

Sounds like all the other stupid ideas that ultimately go nowher because we can just produce Hydrogen which we can also use for other stuff.

>Already being used in Australia, California, Canada
Ontario's hydrostor is way smaller than the Oneida battery project. Tbhq they should just subsidise home/apartment electric vehicle chargers to do the same functions instead.